Jimin Controversy, AOA disbands(?) / US soldiers fire fireworks at Koreans / BOL4 Beef [DK NEWS]

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[@mahdisabour4436]

I think its creative and interesting, just a bit hard to read since its too fast 😅

[@idkwth5056]

the way to stop bullying between groups is for the staff and people who put together the group to actually observe the dinamic of it, before making it a group. The problem with this is that the company won't make the choice of letting a talented person go even if they have a shity personality and bully other members. If the bullying is bad, they shouldn't have that person in the company. If it's petty shit, then they should find a way to work it out and actually cominicate. But here's why the fact that companys don't let go of such people is a problem.... Because otherwise you have a victim of bullying venting on instagram about the horrible things she/he went trough, and the person who did the bullying ends up leaving the company and then a sucsesfull group is completly gone, which means is bad for the company as well. It's in the company's best interest to have a group which actually get's along. Or at least it should, otherwise is bad for them, and for the victims and the one's who bully because their career is ruined in the end, and so is the companys image.

[@eneri83]

do you have any idea if those idol companies have their own Residence Psychologist? do they have their own Staff/Idol Clinic? coz here in our Country all Entertainment Industries/Companies have their own clinic and Residence Psychologist for all singers and actors, providing Mental Therapy weekly or Monthly as much as the artist need it,specially if they are too busy and exhausted.

[@lexiconjessica]

It’s crazy how those clips look like they’re from some trashy city here in the states. How sad that those people really go to a place like Korea to act up. I was not happy with the tone used to describe Americans in the vid and it makes me so mad that dumbasses like those idiots really make Americans look bad.

[@hellostranger2012]

U didn't even mention Baekhyun's frst soloist as million seller in 19yrs. U don't think that's a news .. good work.. keep it up👍🗿

[@kentokim]

Imagine not having respect when in another person's country.

[@veeinh]

Go look up the Vietnam War, and Okinawa. It's part of military culture

[@hungrychat7304]

Um talk to all of the natives in America, Canada, Australia, and others.

[@rl4652]

chasi cat Exactly there’s a history behind the disrespect.

[@sarabaravati5856]

Imagine having your soldiers in another country as if that country doesn't have soldiers of their own.

[@minyoonji2229]

I told my brother (who's in the military) about this and he just said: what fucking douchebags. Why would they do that?

[@TheNanamariam]

Trust me when I say even Americans are tired of Americans. Periodt

[@tan_the_man]

This is too true.

[@lachi8242]

As an American, I can confirm this...

[@nanobyt0r]

especially rioters

[@MsLaLa-nq6mi]

As an American I agree 🤦🤦🤦

[@kimabshire5851]

Absolutely.

[@sugahobi2329]

I don’t think there’s any reason for the soldiers to be doing that, patriotism is not a valid excuse for that

[@simoneninas8363]

grandehobi Exactly!

[@anyone1111]

I wouldn’t even consider that to be patriotic. It’s plain disrespect especially in someone else’s country.

[@lenn452]

how is mocking a cop trying to stop you from causing havoc in the streets patriotism

[@federbb9295]

They are not even in their country, it's even more disrespectful

[@nurulauni3467]

@@lenn452 "iT's hUmAn RiGhtS"

[@katie5920]

It makes me mad that they go to other countries and act like idiots, they make all of us look terrible.

[@yeonjunssexynostrils7915]

I know right😔 I feel so ashamed

[@pizzadogma]

We are already terrible

[@gg-ke1gp]

It's also annoying how people will stereotype an entire country, race, or group of people from from a few bad people.

[@chriscruz3157]

Definitely. Very embarrassing.

[@j.m251]

Nah. Because they shouldn’t think everyone acts the same.

[@StephanieMRM]

As an American... we are embarrassing. Sure, celebrate the country you're from, but have some respect for the country you're in

[@aimi6627]

@UCrl3GXRiinxdocdR2S6wg0A uhh no they are Americans. They literally said that so many times!

[@moniii23]

i do agree like if you want to celebrate our country's independence at least do it in America or be respectful of the other country and they are giving Americans a bad look when most people are not like that.

[@welcometomyrandomness2073]

Yeah I’ve been embarrassed to be an American a lot recently because of the idiots who only care about themselves with no regard for others

[@xuimod]

But almost all the Americans in these videos are black. Why should I be embarrassed when I'm not black?

[@artistblue18]

xuimod Just because the clips showed black soldiers , Does not mean almost all of soldiers doing this are black

[@nevercircles]

Hwasa mentioned that their members got much closer after they started living on their own. So yeah, glad their company respected their decision on that one.

[@thuthuyphan5775]

Actually, they decided to live together in the first place because Hwasa was the only one that lived alone in Seoul.

[@anjnni]

Thu Thuy Phan yes but know they not live together anymore

[@traytrayland2279]

yeah the minute they made their money with um ah oh yeah they all split, it really is best for all involved.

[@dabratttodoroki1840]

Just like little Mix they’re friendship is real they don’t try to be better then each other

[@abigailrabuya2419]

Mentioning Hwasa I just remembered during their guesting saying when they fight they literally throw punches but later on sending cute images of cat? (If i'm not mistaken?) I love their friendship. Bullying is very alarming, every company should know what is happening inside their company. Not just only to their artist but also the staff.

[@akeilahmontague9503]

The world looks at America like how the rest of America looks at Florida

[@jelisasanchezramirez2391]

As a Floridan, that’s exactly what it like lol I’m scared of to go outside because of the major stupidity here.

[@apexknight9356]

As a Floridian, I agree. This state is pretty wack.

[@4ssh4t]

LMAO

[@indiralizgracia9540]

It's sad bc it's TRUE and I'm genuinely scared of going abroad for this reason

[@melisroom]

Floridians agree

[@catmanbaby]

Whenever I travel people tell me as a compliment that I don't act American because I'm quiet. I never know how to feel about that.

[@drock9009]

Embarassed in some way! I would apologize and say we all aren't like that but now people are out and showing who they are now. Very disrespectful!!

[@valeriaregel1100]

American tourists are cringy af.they think everyone in the world speaks english

[@madalenamagalhaes861]

@@valeriaregel1100 Exactlyy

[@charred6683]

You should start yelling, don't shatter their expectations!

[@juri7507]

@@charred6683 lmao be like "OH MY GOD THANK YOU!! ANYWAYS I LIKE YOUR HAIR HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT"

[@ninabambinaaa]

They say you represent your country when you go abroad. Americans already look bad to the rest of the world. What makes this worse is that they are SOLDIERS, they should be the most respected and honorable but it is clear that is not the case. So disappointed.

[@GsoloDolo]

I agree. But look what happened in Fort Hood. RIP Vanessa Guillen 😢

[@woozihae]

@@user-pd9ju5dk5s oh..good point lol

[@LeafMiAlone]

Honestly, as an American I'm embarrassed that there are Americans disrespecting other people in other countries. 🤦‍♀️

[@nevaladder]

_Vietnam has entered the chat._

[@btsarmymom8404]

Me too!

[@KMHSeattle]

I am so embarrassed on behalf of my country 🇺🇸😖

[@randomhuman3687]

Y'all it's ok at least your country didn't kill about six million people because of their relegion Love from Germany 🇩🇪💜

[@kpoppanda5314]

Its always been like that since the dawn of time.

[@k1amc3]

Ok but did no one else think Jimin was kinda sketch already? This just makes me wish Jessi actually decked her on the show lol

[@Evute02]

Tbh i only remember worrying about her extreme weight loss situation, but damn this drama just shows how we shouldn’t be fooled by every little thing our 'sweet' and 'innocent' idols do.

[@FUGLuslec]

Tbh to me jimin already have that vibe to her. Jessi is nice, she just only have that us style of talking

[@crist3809]

Still what jessi did to her isnt right either. It seems good to us since we know jimin turned out to be evil irl, but what if she didnt? Thats just gonna be straight up negative behaviour.

[@rayna5561]

marvin's doom well she doesn’t hangout with her.

[@5hinee936]

yeah everyone should have listen to the queen

[@melquin4852]

Those American’s can’t even do that in their own country, especially in those types of areas and they are doing that in a different country? The hell! Why are they so disrespectful?

[@chere100]

You say that... but I see Americans do that in the USA. Though, not the fireworks at people part. That's usually bullets. :\

[@kpoppindayandnight5897]

I’m American and doing those stuff is illegal but most people don’t really care but in the beach and that’s up an area you would go to jail I feel so embarrassed to be an American.

[@femmebrulee5053]

Sorry to tell you but even though Americans are not supposed to set of fireworks, they do it every 4th of July. And it's just like they described above. It goes on for hours. In Los Angeles this year they actually did a news story because there were so many illegal fireworks being set off, somebody took an aerial photo and the amount of illegal fireworks almost made it look like a professional fireworks display. It made the sky look very picturesque. Illegal fireworks are a big business in the US. The fact is that there are too many people buying and setting off fireworks for the police and jail all of them. It's been like this for decades. Like 2 days ago someone was setting off fireworks at 5 am in the morning near my house in California. I guess they had some left over and wanted to use them. I mean the 4th of July was over a week ago and they are still setting off fireworks.

[@Alice-sw9hf]

Ignorance!

[@atd36117]

Ya'll funny, you say it for what it is. It was not just americans. It was black americans doing this and is a common thing here in the States.

[@jaye61970]

Oh my god. I'm American and this is sickening. Everywhere Americans go they display this entitled behavior. It's embarrassing.

[@drock9009]

Yes it is. Pisses me off! We are the loudest people where ever we go. A lot americans do not respect others or conform to where they are like a different country. Very disrespectful!

[@valeriaregel1100]

Yall are right

[@gloriabrooketucker5500]

Most definitely

[@AnonymousFREEZEpOp1]

I don't understand why it's always the ignorant Americans that seem to get access to global travel. I wish people could just learn how to behave. So many people are rude these days, I want to travel but I feel like I will tell people I'm Canadian instead so I'm not judged.

[@poofsquid8870]

@@AnonymousFREEZEpOp1 I know right? I think it's because they're rich and annoying extroverts (not saying all extroverts are terrible)

[@JuliSolGarcia]

While I do agree with the "living together is bad" statement, the fact that Jimin told Mina to stop crying because she was "ruining the mood for everyone" when her dad had cancer is something that I can't forget, that shows a complete lack of empathy, it's beyond hating each other because they live together.

[@Sh1-o1c]

fr

[@PerfectNightHere]

Shes an extremist and psychopath

[@bluebeardswif3]

i completely agree. you can dislike someone but still understand and be sympathetic towards them at least but to completely lack that is kinda troubling

[@j.r.2674]

Pinkamon Maybe a psychopath, but she’d be described as more of a sociopath from what I’ve seen. She’s still cruel and heartless of course though.

[@ufufu001]

word

[@MingukFilms]

Every label should provide therapy for their artists. So they can express what they’re feeling. Mental health. Psychological support! Period.

[@sevdamustafazad3564]

say it loud 🙌

[@palekia9581]

Underrated comment😤

[@Kx____]

i want to know who the girl group is that's not getting along, the top gg they are talking about.

[@MingukFilms]

Kx they never said it’s a girl group? I think... isn’t it a boy group?

[@miki-kun2741]

@@Kx____ I'm not sure but I think it's T-ara..???

[@izzd1626]

There is NO WAY in good conscience that aoa can promote anymore..... Even if it was just Jimin who was the main bully, the company and staff basically just stood by it, as Mina's mental health deteriorated.

[@p1ercetheve1l]

mina said herself that the members were also bullied im pretty sure

[@izzd1626]

@@p1ercetheve1l oh yh there was a part where mina said Jimin would talk badly about different members to staff

[@dehuntr9908]

Looking at how these bullying happened for over 10 years long and there is no legal action coming from FNC at that point, I'm pretty sure that Jimin might be threatening Mina and the other girls to not telling the company about this issue. And well since Mina already spilled the tea and exposed that Jimin brought a man to the dorms to had sex, there is a quite possibility that Jimin might seduced the higher up "big guy" on FNC to turn the blind eye of this bullying issue. Again it's just a possibility from my perspective, who knows right??

[@piteoj6437]

​@@dehuntr9908 Or it wasn't so bad, how everybody says. If somebody was repeatly bulled for 10 years, he/she could write a book longer as Harry Potter. But til now all was leaked is only incident after death of Mina's dad and nothing more. Just Mina's POV and everybody is ready to jump at Jimin witch-hunt-train.

[@ilive4anime.]

@@piteoj6437 ....i don't think you know how this works...all people cope with thier mental illness differently. Some can write a novel, others cant. She obviously had something trigger her and caused her to be mentally unstable. She has serious trauma and its pretty evident.

[@fifitims]

Celebrating independence day isn't an excuse to act like an entitled clown especially in someone else's country.

[@rosie.2826]

True

[@thadramallama]

PERIODT

[@amymaliga1674]

Honestly, if I were in a foreign country I most likely wouldn’t celebrate our Independence Day. Not that I’m not proud of my country, (I am very proud) but because I wouldn’t be in my country at the time of the holiday, so it just wouldn’t make sense to me.🤷🏻‍♀️ Not all of us are clowns, and the majority would not stand for their behavior. It’s appalling and disgraceful.

[@suckmyprettytoes]

Amy Maliga all countries matter and I will forever stand on that and won’t ever celebrate July 4th from now on 💆🏻‍♀️

[@amymaliga1674]

Juvy Thao I’m sorry, I don’t understand why you directed that comment to me.

[@ramenseller]

They should’ve at least gotten arrested 🙄, they act like it’s their land when it isn’t and they should learn how to behave. Such hooligans, also they should at least be wearing masks.

[@iprobablyforgotsomething]

They don't act like it's their land 'cause they know their *sses would've been thrown in the brig if they did something that stupid in the U.S. Which is exactly what should've happened to them anyway.

[@sopekookie7]

What Jimin did was horrible, imagine being a leader and being the reason for your group having to disband. Now the others are being blamed for not speaking up. I wouldn’t doubt it if they were afraid to receive the same treatment. I feel so bad for Mina.

[@hasa8491]

Nah, that's a stupid excuse. She's one person, if the others were actually scared they would've done something since they are with more. 😒 They didn't care or didn't want to get their hands dirty by reporting it. The managers even knew and didn't care. The members are guilty for standing by. It's been 10 years! They aren't innocent for keeping quiet.

[@raven-kn6lv]

@@hasa8491 as much as I would not like to blame the rest of the members, I have to agree. There is that saying that if you witness a crime or you know the criminal and you don't report it, you are an accomplice. Which is pretty much legit. But then again, we don't know what happened behind the scenes. Maybe they stood up for her, or were a factor, in secret, at encouraging her to leave because they didn't want her to suffer anymore.

[@liaqonis9200]

Youkyoung (ex AoA member, she is the first member to leave) post something new, basically she said that she's sorry about her last post 19:39 , she doesn't want to people to point fingers at other member. She also said she was a victim of bullying same as mina, at first she never knew that mina was a victim of bullying, she thought at that time (?) it was only herself, turns out other member (mina) got bullied too. She said she feels sorry that she never noticed that mina was the victim as well because she was too caught up on how she feels (the translation can be meant was on how she overcome the bullying by herself so that's why she never noticed). She also said that she support mina. Sorry if I missed some translation

[@liaqonis9200]

Chanmi also almost quit from the group but she tried not to because if she quit she need to pay the penalty, the reasons she is depressed and can't take it anymore (still ambigous about this one). Choa (ex member) also quit from AoA from depression. So from youkyoung new post, it seems like other members got bullied as well but they never talked about it, they just keep it for themself.

[@taiyonatiare7918]

She probably did treat them the same way. I wouldnt be shocked if choa left for the same thing

[@sihamb7714]

According to Mina she already told the company and they didn't do anything about it. The least Jimin and FNC can do is pay for her scar treatment and her therapy and that sill would be fixing 0.1% of the damage they caused her. There should be absolute zero tolerance towards bullying, so i'm glad jimin is gone. However if AOA disbands people will start blaming Mina and she would feel even worse

[@hypezar]

AOA deserve to be disband. The shit is just too heavy for AOA to exist as a brand. If people started to blame on Mina, then they are no different than Jimin. Being a bystander have the same sin as the bully. There's nothing worse than being bullied alone instead of having a friend who got bullied too and face it together.

[@TrubbleBeast]

@@hypezar Not friends, at least not first and foremost, they were co-workers first and foremost. A unit is formed, not by friendship bonds, but by an agency that sees talent and potential output vs profit. I agree, FNC and Jim paying for her care would be the least they can do for her. I don't feel like the "bystanders" should be punished however. As long as they didn't partake.

[@hypezar]

@@TrubbleBeast I know, but if one of the member stood up for Mina, they definitely will become friend. That's how I met one of my best friend.

[@evolverist]

@@hypezar Hyejeong is mina's bestfriend tho, they even go out together as recent as last week. I guess the others member just not as brave to stand up for mina maybe because they scared of Jimin or something else. Or also like youkyung said she think she is the only one who's having a hard time so she didn't see that mina is hurt too.

[@uaenaonce8231]

Dargo Hypezar shouldn’t only the problematic member leave? We know what jimin did but Mina never said anything bad about the other members. Why hurt all people? Although I have to say aoa’s group dynamic has always been problematic from the start. Seolhyun is super popular for her visuals and gets tons of money from Cfs and acting while her best friend jimin also earns a lot. Meanwhile as they said on knowing bro, none of the other memebera have money to even buy an apprtment after all of the years that they worked. That’s super upsetting in my opinion. Soelhyun will do fine even afte disbandment but what about the other members?

[@natyki]

This is why other countries don’t like having Americans when they travel or live in other countries. Feeding into the stereotype. Literally, you’re in a different country so respect their country and culture. 😑 Goodness . This is why sometimes I’m like, I am not proud and don’t associate myself with these types of Americans. Lol.

[@pine_pluto]

I remember when my high school class went to Korea, the teacher chaperone said “Don’t act too American,” and she said that because America is known to be loud, outspoken, and very ignorant to a lot of things😂

[@redqueeen2950]

Yeah. I have been on vacations in many countries, and surprisingly many have special "American" prices. Always cheaper to not be from America. They do not have a good reputation at all.

[@MsLaLa-nq6mi]

All facts.

[@BentonRox]

When I studied in Paris there was a two-day orientation, half of which was basically, don't act like a jerk. Even then a lot of the people I was there with still acted like a bunch of entitled brats.

[@redqueeen2950]

Wow. Pay for stuff you didnt order?! O.o I just always was asked where I was from, said Norway and then was told to ignore price tags and they had special prices for us. America prices were insane. And yes I did see America people being told those price tags were the prices =/

[@Sputterish]

Pretty disgusting to see the immaturity from the soldiers. They're acting that way because they know they can take advantage of the fact that they will not face any consequences. If someone acts nasty because they know they won't be punished, it really shows their true character. They make me embarrassed to be an American.

[@technicalmachine1671]

Soldiers are worse than frat boys.

[@lenaperez8937]

disgusting to even call them soldiers after their behavior... Korea should be strict with foreigners too, especially troublemakers.

[@saga2828]

Can't they be arrested by the police?

[@cobbs]

From what I've been reading from comments by American soldiers, esp those who are or have served tours in South Korea, these guys who shot off fireworks are FUCKED. They will be dealt with severely, everything from monthly pays being taken away to physical punishments. There was even talk about the high possibility that these guys will be discharged from the military. These soldiers are ordered to behave a certain way once they're interacting with civilians, esp overseas, and they broke these orders. South Korea is of strategic importance to the U.S. Anything that jeopardizes that relationship is not taken lightly. That's why the Korean authorities did nothing. They know these guys are in for much worse once they get back to base.

[@priscillamontalvo7051]

@@cobbs i just hope that what youre saying is true. they deserve it

[@aida464]

Korea’s dependence in America should be stopped. Why soldiers of another country live and control smth in another country? It’s like one country owns another and checks and control it. Is it independence, is it 21st century?

[@thadramallama]

Please 💀 South Korea is not depending on USA, they're a first world country themselves. The Americans soldiers are probably there with the korean troops because of the DMZ area

[@izznis]

They have to. They are surrounded by enemies. Their neighbors are North Korea, China and Russia. And they're also not quite friendly with Japan. But their military is not enough to defend against all of them if something happens. That's why all korean men have mandatory military service and they had to rent military power from the US.

[@karensilva6076]

There are actually many US bases around the world. We learn it is like to conquer everything kind of. But yeah. Protecting Korea happened in the 1950's but now they are modernized and better country than the US, in terms of country matters.

[@izzyreeze3538]

@@izznis what do you have against Russia and China, beatch?

[@andyye269]

Imperialism

[@snowyung9516]

There should be strict rules for those American soldiers and how they are expected to act in public. It should be part of their training.

[@antoniobanda9700]

they are respectful and their CO's expect them to show respect to the country and to the people where they are deployed but there are some soldiers that just act stupid and I'm an American by the way and if the CO's see this let's just say the soldiers involved they are gonna get it

[@shadowfire25x]

There are. Those guys are going to get there asses beat/ court marshaled

[@thatMandyMartini]

Snow yung there are strict rules. The issue is then being enforced.

[@marjattakolari521]

@@shadowfire25x pretty sure there's some hardcore crime committed by US military family in korea and got away with it.

[@samanthawhang7498]

They think they’re at these designations to party it up. So many of them are so disrespectful. They pay absolutely no attention to the social and cultural norms of where they are stationed. They do this in Hawaii too. 😑

[@ALing-ff2qf]

Can you imagine being on the bottom bunk when you’re Unnie brings a guy over to have sex and you’re still a clueless minor?! People shouldn’t be mad at Mina for saying that. People should be pissed at Jimin for not thinking about her members.

[@annab8971]

Especially with s korea being so hush-hush when it comes to sexuality. From a western point of view it may not be a big thing but for them it would be way more disturbing to comprehend.

[@irinmaria25]

I hope Mina doesn't out who the guy is. He deserves better than have himself linked with Jimin.

[@clemclem4076]

@@annab8971 As a westerner, I don't agree with that, it's disturbing for me too whereas I'm not a stuck up person at all. It's invasion of personal space.

[@annab8971]

@@clemclem4076 That's fair. I just feel in general, sex isn't something as big of a deal or sensitive in the west as it would be in Korea.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

@@annab8971 that's forcing a person to be a voyer when they dont want to and doesnt take into consideration that people need to sleep. Hotels exist or the guy has a space. Also as a celebrity, I'd be careful who you bring home and if the relationship turns sour, he knows where you live to harass you

[@DRP11037]

"Treat your artists as humans" -BangPD Idols are humans too. They get tired and all. Companies defo see them as their moneymakers only and netizens or some people just see being celebrity has its laws. I do understand that part of "you're famous, you have to be careful of what you say and do." But that's really sad 'cause idols get really dehumanized. Wish this could change but this mindset is just so flawed and can't be changed.

[@nevereverigoteyesonyou8377]

1) i am sure if bighit would have remained a small company , they also would have treated their artists like that 2) we never know ... something might still be happening behind the scenes 3) when you have money , people preach morals 4) i am not supporting artist's mistreatment at all

[@sknight2810]

Bang pd overwork bts af tho🗿🗿🗿

[@nfraelynn535]

Pentagon of leader Huh??!! Please..you're a Pentagon fan. Shuhss!! Go take care of your own PENTAGON IDOL! You don't know anything, so just quiet 🤫

[@bullsnthebronx]

LoveToRead 4ever what does that have to do with anything? Are u a manger army or a company stan because you can def see they get overworked. I’m glad they had a proper break last year.

[@junik.9414]

BTS are being over worked. And I sometimes wonder what they were going through in 2018 to actually consider disbanding? I blame it more on the capitalist side of the market. I personally believe it should be artists' choice to share a dorm together or better, if a company could provide a separate small studio apartment to the artists.

[@valerie0394]

I like how you both balance eachother out, an optimist and a pessimist. It gives better insight.

[@lancelot7202]

I know right.. Love how they both state their own opinions from their different point of views

[@bia_na_lua]

Maybe that is their concept 🤣

[@EhyWisdom]

When one says A the other says B hahahah

[@alessiab426]

I totally agree. They are perfect together👏

[@tushargrover2010]

Danny is more like a realist than a pessimist.

[@deliwar91]

As a person who want to go to Korea, this is so disrespectful.

[@drock9009]

Same!! Makes me upset!! Wouldn't have known about this unless these 2 didn't bring it up. So embarassing!! Americans think we are the best and can do whatever we want where ever we go. We suck as a country.

[@Jgrl2000]

AND embarrassing. It certainly doesn’t help the way people look at us.

[@fridamejia1784]

right? Like their in Korea wtf

[@Rafael-g3q8d]

As a person who talks to a Korean this is disrespectful..

[@minnievoxsmistress3443]

yes like no manners or respect

[@sam.silker]

when i was abroad in sk last year for nine months i can confidently say i NEVER came into contact with a kind, respectful american soldier based in seoul. i agree so much w that k-neitzen’s comment on the fourth of july issue, it doesn’t surprise me at all to see the soldiers doing some stupid shit on their day off for the holiday- it seems like being cooped up on base so often makes them act like animals out of their cages when they finally get to “play”. doesn’t justify their actions AT ALL- i wish they would realize just how hurtful their actions are towards general korean sentiment of america foreigners in sk that is ALREADY super negative.

[@keamabuza858]

I'm not American but I'm embarrassed as a foreigner🤦‍♀️

[@v0idwalker489]

im embarrassed as an american.

[@ms.keishasmurderer2509]

Im honestly losing braincells......

[@nidhi2693]

As an American I'm ashamed

[@ixedtea5302]

I’m embarrassed as I am an American 😔

[@keamabuza858]

@Sisi A go off sis👏👏 I get your point though

[@LetsBuildThatApp]

Yeah the AOA bullying seems to be tangentially related to Choa's leaving of the group. Quite unfortunate since she was the only member I liked.

[@sarcasticismyname1163]

Wasn’t she also the only one who could sing well as an idol in the group? Like the others in the group sure sing better than me, a normal person, but as an idol they’re not that outstanding of singers. But I was under the impression that Choa could carry her own weight as an idol/singer, while the others didn’t have much else to offer (at least publicly known at the time Choa was in the group). Sure, Seolhyun is popular, but not because she’s an idol, but rather as a model/actress, Jimin for rapping, maybe? (Although I absolutely despise her rapping tone. I really dislike female rappers who use nasal tones for rapping. It just doesn’t sound good.)

[@kimbapbekidding1522]

Yeh choa was definitely the best singer, always had the high notes. Her voice was so amazing. I go back and listen to songs she was in because she really made AOA whole. She really made AOA AOA. Like since she went it’s not been the same, for me at least

[@brosplit]

@@sarcasticismyname1163 Choa, Yuna 2nd & Hyeojong are great singer.

[@LetsBuildThatApp]

@@marvinsdoom555 Well this is just speculation but its possible that Jimin also didn't make Choa feel better for having depression. Wild guesses here lol

[@RAZBRY]

When aren't American citizens in other countries a whole ass cringefest.

[@dinoog6912]

American's are crazy coming from an American myself. Over here people started firing fireworks a week before the 4th of July.All night from like 8pm to 2-3am the next morning

[@tosh4771]

Someone in my neighborhood was popping firecrackers at 2am the night before the 4th. Then they started in the middle of the day on the 4th (when you can't even see them). I was so pissed.

[@hal4828]

It sounded like a war zone on the 4th! Fireworks were EVERYWHERE!! Some fireworks even landed in our yard and on our roof!!

[@SinTeller]

Same. Because they keep firing them at inappropriate times, I keep thinking they’re gunshots. People, let us sleep XD

[@desi7668]

I hear fireworks from like the beginning of June till like halfway through July😭

[@JadaJadaRosa]

They been at it in my city since the 18th of June. I don’t even know where they are getting these fireworks but it’s annoying.

[@choisansanartist]

If the American soliders did it in Singapore, during "circuit breaker" get ready to be banned form the country lmao

[@carmenlee3409]

Does not need to be “circuit breaker”, even normal days. Imagine someone blocking a road in Singapore....🚨🚨🚨

[@danielles7766]

Nah your government would not even protest. They would just let them go peacefully, bullies people who protests and burried the news deep inside the system. Remember Aloysius Pang case or any other military cases and how they handle it before the public caught wind of it?

[@minhtri7920]

Carmen Lee kk i

[@MHC-1]

It does not work like that, because of treaties, and such.

[@danielles7766]

@@MHC-1 Unfortunately it's the bitter pill you all need to swallow. Singapore is nothing without America.

[@SannaKore]

When it comes to the Kpop system, children should never be allowed to enter into contracts anyway. Nor should their parents be able to sign a contract for them. Since the companies clearly don't have to guarantee that the trainee will ever debut then the trainee shouldn't have to guarantee the same.

[@littlelou050]

While it sounds great to not allow young kids to enter these company's and have to train with an uncertainty etc. This probably won't change. These are company's, their goal is to make money and succeed. This is all up to the parents. I do think that trainees should be no younger than 14 or 15 because by then most people are aware and can understand these things. I also think those debuting should be atleast 16 and we shouldn't try and debut kids younger than that because of how toxic society is and can be towards them. I suppose all we can really do is hope parents make the right decision and company's put in some kind of rules on this

[@SannaKore]

@@littlelou050 You're absolutely right, but I don't think it's just up to the parents. Korean society as a whole needs to rise up and demand their government more strictly regulate an entertainment company's use of minor labor. Like Danny said, greed is the driving force of these companies, so it requires an outside, unbiased force to protect these kids.

[@TrixiPB]

You have a point. Maybe it would be better to change the whole system. The underage signing of contracts - children and underage people shouldn’t be able to sign full contracts; the contracts itself - they should be signed only after the idol debuts, not before, because there is no guarantee for the trainee that he will debut. The length of the contract period itself is too long. Having trainees, it is a huge money-hole for a company. So maybe it’ll be better if they didn’t have trainees but changed it to providing a trainee system and the people interested and wanting to be an idol would be paying for the training. If they are unable to pay, maybe have some form of “scholarship” for some of them. If they need it, provide mental-health care. Or just talk to them - company discussing with their idols, and not just stating facts and opinions. It should be a relationship, not a dictatorship.

[@jastinerosecanete722]

@@SannaKore it's not Korean society anymore

[@sweetxlies6761]

That statement from Danny reminded me of Jay Park where he mentioned that he didn't know what he is getting into when signed up with JYP. He thought that the audition was just a contest where he can win money and that when came to SK he wasn't told that he has to train for 4+ years before debuting. But nowadays I think Kpop is so popular and kinda open that it isn't an unknown fact what trainees have to get through. So I think new trainees that sign up with agencies know what they are getting into (to an extent).

[@raine8820]

They knew it before I’m quite sure. I think for young Koreans it would seem like kind of everyone around them is constantly overworking themselves (or are expected to be). So why not overwork yourself while being a kpop idol?

[@btsbts1592]

unless they don't know korean and sign a contract without checking with a lawyer and then being surprised they are in debt until their group breaks even and have to pay back that money with sales and performances. without an actual income for years. i think a lot of people really tend to idialise trainee live, not thinking about being at the beck and call of a company and working 12 hour days

[@me9981]

When I hear that from some idols I'm wondering if they even read the contract lol... I mean...even if you don't understand korean you should hire a lawyer and be sure what are you signing up for... Not checking out everything and reading the contract in general (everywhere) is just plain dumb.

[@pitypang1630]

shinee key and minho said that they became friends after they moved out of the dorms and up until then they got mad at each other for breathing, so. ure onto something danny

[@heidimartinez2356]

that what I was remined of. Key said one one he just wanted to fight mihno just because he saw him. and that was the day her new if they where going to be okay, they needed space.

[@pitypang1630]

@@yukijames1321 yeah idol life already has sooo many burdens, being enclosed w the same people 24/7 is just the icing on the cake, and even that icing is pretty unbearable. the shared burdens might be an opportunity for bonding and understanding but.. they have to have insanely good communication skills to live decently together, probably

[@noonastyle1445]

It reminds me, when I was living in dorm with my collegemate, so we would live together, learn together, kind of living that idol dorm life. I remember times, when basically everything she did annoyed me, we once started to scream at each other for who will carry grocery bag. And I am very calm, non-confrontational person. So add that to many people. And also some, who have different perceptions and different lifestyles. So it is by far no surprise that things like that happen.

[@uaenaonce8231]

@@yukijames1321 I've never lived in a dorm so Idk if this is related but even just being stuck in a tiny apartment with my family during quarantine makes me constantly irritated at the smallest of things so no wonder.

[@nimisha2411]

Who is that famous grp they were talking abt who hav this bullying situation?

[@kyyxoxo1961]

"The world is fu*ked, what's new?" the most truthful thing I've ever heard. DANNY IS A WHOLE MOOD LMAO

[@rankandfile4016]

Agencies should be treated like universities so trainees go in at an appropriate age and debut at an appropriate age. Its not just healthier for the industry but rates of bullying and abuse from adults will go way down... its just a healthier environment for everyone

[@hanahk.a261]

this is the problem with the inherent individualism that exists in america, they rly could not care less abt the ppl around them for them it’s just one man for themselves. their lack of consideration to other people especially in a country that’s not their own????? sickening tbh

[@lunacouer]

Amen. We've got narcissism on lock here.

[@rcppcsk1589]

Fr tho. I was born in the US but immigrated with my family to the Middle East (I won't specify so lifeless people don't come after me) and here if someone falls, you help them stand up and they say thank you. In the US if someone falls and you try to help them stand they'll yell at you for touching them. There's no unity in the US.

[@Dani-pv1rq]

@@rcppcsk1589 Right, like does no one teach these people manners? I come from an Asian family myself and I've always been taught to be respectful to others and sometimes I just don't understand the behavior of individuals that act like this.

[@dkgong]

Yep. That’s why the virus isn’t under control here. smh

[@tan_the_man]

As an American, you are absolutely right.

[@loen2629]

"wherever I go, americans are the loudest". A statement that sadly holds the truth.

[@yellowbee3924]

I do agree a lot with what Danny said, i think idols don't really know what they're getting into when they join the kpop world. First they're very young and they probably only thinking about the good stuff that comes with it, or they think they can handle the bad stuff, or that the bad stuff isn't that bad. But if you think about it this happens to everyone when you go into something new, you never know how it's going to be, and a lot of the times it end ups being different from what you were expecting. Also living in a dorm together, sometimes big groups in small dorms, can cause a lot friction and problems. They already work long hours together, now imagine going home (the dorm, usually small) and spend even more time together. It's like they can't have some privacy or time out from each other. People need some space and time, it's not good to spend all of their time together

[@breakforthechorus6230]

Agreed. Though the difference is with a lot of similarities to signing up for something and regretting it, say a job or a class, you have the ability to leave or give notice and quit. Signing a 7-10 year contract (the most common kpop contract lengths from gen 2 onward) meant that you were literately trapped unless you wanted to be fined thousands of dollars and spend hours and hours in court for breaking said contract. It's really rough to think that actual children sign up for this and their parents let them OR don't know about it. Krystal and Jessica were both scouted when they were incredibly young. It's obvious that Jessica didn't want to be an idol anymore but knowing SM and slave contracts, she just had to struggle through it. :(

[@roter13]

Damnit! As a black person, I was really hoping that the stupid and disrespectful soldiers setting off fireworks weren't black. How embarrassing.

[@blackrse264]

Ikr they are really setting a very bad example especially since most koreans already have bad bias against us.😑

[@gisselgomez2649]

They were twerking, trying to fight the popo. 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️ I’m so disappointed.

[@kellybelly1004]

There were also white soldiers. The army is a toxic place that lets the soldiers do whatever the fuck they want as long as they suck up to their superior officers. If you let people keep getting away with things while taking care of their problems....you get entitled assholes who become dissociated from reality. But yeah also in this social climate of BLM, it is hard to see....😭

I'm extremely disappointed as well. I've noticed that in the black community, many of us like to act like we could do no wrong and that everything is everyone else's fault when we haven't even fixed problems in our own community. I'm sick and tired of our ignorance (both black Americans AND white Americans) in other people's countries and the self-centeredness that runs rampant in most of us. I've never been more disappointed at being an American in my life and I was already disappointed in America and the disrespectful culture since I began to understand politics. TL;dr: being an American is annoying and I'm very disappointed and frustrated, especially with the black community (which I am a part of).

[@khairulsyafwan5879]

Well that person was mocking the officer is black

[@melissapoenter2042]

I wouldn't call this case with shin jimin and mina just 'bullying' she emotionally and psychologically abused her. She harassed her constantly and it shouldn't be taken or spoken of lightly. She has clearly been severely traumatized by everything, this isn't just a 'high school bully' thing

[@epiteofilo5717]

I cringe to think of what happened to Mina behind the camera. It is the mental abused that is hurting Mina the most

[@TS-me6bv]

I agree, cause even I was emotionally abused, and I didn't even know, and in emotional abuse u can't complain it to someone cause there is no physical abuse,

[@dhiyababu]

@@TS-me6bv I agree with you, I was emotionally bullied in high school though it was not as severe as Mina nut the thing I never realized I was being bullied and I couldn't even inform a teacher because I was scared the bullying would just increase

[@swedishwinter]

I’ve had so many people tell me “never be roommates with a friend. It’ll ruin your friendship.” And I have both become friends with roommates who had been strangers and been roommates with close friends. And I agree. It can easily ruin a friendship if your living styles are too different. But you can also become incredibly close if you live together well. My best friend in the world was my roommate freshman year in college. We didn’t know each other before but became very close. So really it’s a crapshoot. Either the dorm situation will create close, forever relationships or it can be toxic ruin the group.

[@breakforthechorus6230]

This is such an important lesson we learn as adults. When I was living on my own for the first time when I was 18, I thought I could just live with any friends and it would all be fun and games because living with your friends is so cool! Turns out living styles, chemistry, and having enough individual space and healthy communication methods play a HUGE role in the success of living with friends. I can relate to your post. I've had fantastic roommate experiences with friends and strangers alike and I've had equally terrible unhealthy ones that traumatized me and legit gave me PTSD from the emotional abuse. Constantly being threatened to be kicked out for the silliest things when you have nowhere else to go. It was ridiculous. My best friend and I were discussing this. Having kpop groups be immediately forced to be around each other 24/7 and live in such small quarters with 0 privacy, would make anyone go bonkers. I know I couldn't do it. I NEED my space. It's just incredibly unhealthy but I know they do it purely for financial reasons. Still, there is so much that goes on behind the scenes we don't know about because the company wants to keep a good reputation to be able to continue to make profit or even just continue functioning. FNC is trash and everyone knows it. Some of my absolute favorite groups have been from that company but they are almost as bad if not worse than PLEDIS, TS, and MBK.

[@thatMandyMartini]

Apologies for the Americans. We can’t go anywhere.

[@pam4020]

Same, I'm so embarrassed and disappointed as an American

[@garretburrow]

They in no way represent America or Americans. That behavior is unacceptable. The only reason they did that is because of the recent turmoil in our country, and I guess they think because people were getting away with chaotic anarchist behavior in the States, then they could break the law without repercussions in Korea, too. It's despicable.

[@fi0rella]

It's not your fault. We know not all of you are the same! I can't help to feel I hate Americans when I see that sht though, it makes me fume

[@thatMandyMartini]

Garret Burrow They absolutely represent Americans and what’s happening on American soil right now. We managed to politicize masks during a global pandemic. Between the police, the politicians, the media, and Americans who can’t be told shit everything is a mess. What they did in South Korea doesn’t surprise me in the least. Sadly.

[@marjattakolari521]

@@thatMandyMartini i believe that there's crimes committed by US military family got flushed away, like criminal offenses.

[@chichang9377]

Yes!!!! I've been waiting to hear from you guys about these recent events!!!!! Love you guys and please don't change your honesty!!!

[@graceababan]

"This is the downfall of kpop. This kind of system. It's breaking people" - Danny

[@Buttsceatcgee]

It was supposed to downfall a long time ago. Especially after all the idols committing suicide.

[@graceababan]

@@Buttsceatcgee You know what's scary? People getting used to it.

[@animec-dramaskpop6362]

A lot of ppl failed Mina, the company, the managers, her members. They stood by and just let that girl get mentally and emotionally tortured. Kpop idols are watched 24/7 so no one is gonna convince me that the company's staff didn't know Mina was being bullied. I'm not an AOA fan but i feel so bad for her and I'm glad she finally felt strong enough to speak out about it.

[@hasa8491]

This! The members are guilty as well. They can't claim not knowing anything or being scared.

[@uaenaonce8231]

I'm sure if it had been Seolhyun or something, fans would have made even more of an outrage especially with that jimin looking at her nails while Mina cried incident. They would have probably caught the signs earlier. But for MIna, and the other members who aren't as popular as Seolhyun and Jimin, they probably would have a harder time saying anything since they kinda already are struggling financially despite working like a slave for years for their company. In my opinion, the popularity in aoa made things just that much worse for them and this is coming from a seolhyun stan. Even in knowing brother they mentioned it several times, including mina, that they wished people would know their names and not only seolhyun's and jimin. Because jimin is second popular, I'm sure they ignored it for that reason.

[@animec-dramaskpop6362]

@@uaenaonce8231 Treating all the members of a group equally is becoming a big problem in kpop. No one member should be treated better bc of their popularity.

[@uaenaonce8231]

@@animec-dramaskpop6362 yah. but unfortunately for groups that come from smaller companies, it is more likely to have one person (most of the time the one considered the prettiest) to be overwhelmingly popular than the rest. They end up earning the most money while the rest barely make any money or have their names not known. I think groups like those tend to have weird dynamics and those members suffer even more stress, as I saw in their episode in knowing bros.

[@chocomilk9017]

Bruh Mina also said jimin treated other members badly so stfu. What did you expect them to do?? Telling the company? Mina even said she told the company but they didn't listen to her!! Do you want them to expose it on Internet? They have contract and they can be sued!!. So there's nothing they can do. I'm sure other members cared for mina, that's why mina still follows all of them EXCEPT for jimin so don't blame it to other members. Chanmi even wanted to leave but she couldn't cause she should've paid the loan.

[@RayMak]

Oh no

[@bryan-vu7dd]

You guys are the fathers I’ve always wanted

[@cheetoloverxxx9107]

Thats sad

[@simrandhabarde7492]

I just realised that.....thanks:)

[@aspannas]

fathers? How young are you lol

[@ScarlettKriss]

wth how young ARE you?

[@bryan-vu7dd]

Anna Asp gay dads exist lol

[@carriebowling2466]

The way I’m constantly ashamed to be an American 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@btsarmymom8404]

I know, same here!

[@TheShanc22]

Ditto!!!!

[@jmarie880]

No be ashame to be a white American

[@c.s.7158]

We should not be ashamed for things we can’t help. But it’s easy to feel that way when we have things we want to change about those representing us. Ideally, we would all focus more on the things we are able to do that can make things better, instead of dwelling on the blind carelessness of others in the past or present.

[@mpuddles]

@@jmarie880 do you even realize the racist shit you just typed? she should be ashamed of the color of her skin? nobody chooses to be born. nobody chooses their race.

[@Angel-rh2lo]

"we need to be less greedy", I think you had really good insight there. And who knows, maybe the kind of product we'll get there will still be very good, just in a different way.

[@remi4610]

Yes. Root of the problem is greed.

[@mohini2305]

Me trying to desperately read the captions which are zooming by at the speed of light

[@ashironikko5860]

Ikr,why is that :"(

[@maeabano9738]

i wish they slow it down a little

[@rachiehahaha]

Really? To me it isnt that fast, but i guess it’s too fast for some.

[@had_zzmj8927]

They slowed it down from 4:17 ... before it was zooming by XD

[@mohini2305]

@@had_zzmj8927 oh I just noticed lol. I was really only paying attention to the captions in the beginning of the videos bc usually after the first round of the crawlers going by it just repeats. thanks for letting me know!

[@mayel_9784]

some Americans are too much.. 😔😡

[@Dearestshee]

I agree 💀 I live in america an I am just ashamed to be a citizen now

[@jocelyn9744]

I'm not even American and I feel like apologizing 😩

[@jocelyn9744]

@@Dearestshee America isn't in a good place now, but it was founded on honorable values that a lot of people are still genuinely fighting for, the climate is quite polarized now but all those inner conflicts are pointing towards a greater change in the future

[@pam4020]

I'm American and I'm so embarrassed I'm not ashamed to be American no one should but those people should be embarrassed bc they shamed their whole country.

[@prettiepaw1614]

The fireworks where I live started on Father’s Day and kept going until the 4th eYE- I hate it here in the U.S bro

[@knallschaf]

It actually makes me kind of sad to think about that these inconsiderate soldiers actually also impair the lifes of all other peaceful foreigners living there. I suspect in a lot of peoples eyes there is not that much difference between foreigners in general, so every foreigner kind of carries the stigma of being toughtless and potentially dangerous. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't a lot of clubs in Busan banned for all foreigners due to an indicent, where us army soldiers couldn't be charged for an assault in one of these clubs?

[@changhwanpark9754]

I don’t know exactly about the whole club’s policy but mostly not maybe it have been changed since when i leaved. But there are few clubs in Itaewon don’t allow to deal with foreighner because of US army. They couldn’t punish them or give penalty in Korean domestic law, in therefor they are taking advantage from that point. Not blatantly against law but still violate the law. No matter color of skin the first image of non-asian foreighner is sort of danger or aggression when it comes with negative way.

[@YourMsRightHere]

"Provide mental health care" -- you just named Min Yoongi's future business model.

[@alizanster]

I’m an American who lives in Korea, and my Dad was also stationed here when he was in the U.S. Navy. I was so embarrassed by the behavior I saw on your video. These people need to learn how to be respectful of cultural norms and practices in different countries. It seems like they haven’t learned how to manage in a different society, despite all of their travel experience.

[@izzyreeze3538]

They must get behind the bars and later send back to America.

[@Alice-sw9hf]

Unfortunately Donald Trump is a great example.

[@theresakriz3290]

MWR usually puts on fireworks overseas?

[@theresakriz3290]

Shore Patrol/MPs usually keep military in check

[@erisazeqiri]

"The world is fcked what's new?!" A mood. Should've been my yearbook quote.

[@shyla5839]

I’ll do it for mine✨

[@ea-limos6142]

US servicemen have a set of rules to go by especially when they are in foreign country. I have two sons that are in the military and I know for a fact that they are expected to act accordingly and must not act dishonorably towards anyone let alone acting disrespectful in foreign countries. July 4th is a big American holiday but it is not an excuse to be disrespectful at all. Maybe your ambassador should have a talk with the American embassy about all these. It must not be tolerated.

[@poppynhi]

Man, I didn’t know this firework issue is also happening in South Korea. There have been issues of fireworks being set off in America around 8 PM to 2-3 AM since Memorial Day weekend, coinciding with the Black Lives Matter protests. These fireworks are even professional grade, too. There are accounts of people seeing police handing these out to people for free. If that isn’t psychological warfare to create anxiety on the protestors and to desensitize people when they need to cover up something, I don’t know what is. I am American, and I am ashamed that there were American tourists were in South Korea. Setting off fireworks and not wearing masks, they’re going to end us all with that carefree attitude. EDIT: I would also like to add that people have also seen police themselves setting them off. These professional fireworks should have been impossible to get, but for the police to have them is very telling about who has the biggest budget in America.

[@drock9009]

You habe said everything I have been thinking. In my neighborhood someone has been shooting off fire works for 2 weeks from 6pm to midnight! A few alao have been professional grade fireworks. Our country has gone to the crapper ever since this pandemic started. I mean it has always been but it has just gotten worse. Wish I had the funds to move out of this country.

[@poppynhi]

Dana Rhodes These issues has always been there even before the pandemic, even before the US became its own country. It just takes one huge issue like the pandemic to break down the dam. There are people who still believe America is the greatest country in the world and act so entitled like the American tourists in South Korea. Even I end up saying, “Stupid American tourists”.

[@Sputterish]

@@drock9009 Fireworks shows were cancelled so the organizers sold them for cheap discreetly.

[@Sputterish]

Since fireworks shows were cancelled, the organizers sold the big ones for cheap to people without licenses. If you know the right people, you could have bought them for cheap too. I know a couple of people who did

[@hiikarinnn]

These aren’t tourists they are soldiers so they are stuck there

[@Malo0234]

New to this channel, but I’m so glad that the guy in the left spoke out about his experience, it’s long lasting impact and also challenges the lay person’s perspectives on bullying/mental health/getting help. Thank you

[@Ykoz2016]

Ah yes, the Americans. Sigh. I live in America, in a large city, and I'm absolutely surrounded by all of this. It's not everyone, there are people like me and my friends, but it's pretty overwhelming. The lack of masks, the loud and aggressive refusal to care about covid, and my building was surrounded by non-stop fireworks from 7pm to 2am on the 4th. Absolutely huge light shows and explosions that shook my apartment like bombs, fired from the tops of buildings and on street corners. It was because we shut down the beaches, bars, and official fireworks a few days before. It was just surreal.

[@drock9009]

I am with you! I am embarassed to call myself an american. Makes me sad what is happening here in this country and now expanding over to South Korea ehich I wish to visit or would love to mkve there, but the lack of funds are in the way for me to do that. But I am sorry that haplened to you as well. We are taught in schools we are the best country and we can do whatever. Very sad that this happened.

[@AllisonWond3rland]

I wish you guys would do a reaction to Hwasa's Maria MV or atleast a "Explained by a Korean" video. I've watched others reaction videos, but your guys explanation videos are the best at analyzing MV's and explaining the symbolic meaning of certain parts of these videos.

[@jocelyn9744]

YEES

[@mikailagray]

I think Danny mentioned in their live stream that he did react to hwasa

[@mikmastrrr]

As an American military member, I’m so sorry this happened. My husband and I will be there next year and hope to help prevent this from happening again

[@jmakayb]

As an African-American we don't claim those African-Americans, they weren't raised right :(

[@Katara0403]

Yea thats so embarrassing. 😞

[@liana_sumi]

Istg so damn embarrassing

[@ajaattles9661]

Same here, it's embarrassing to me as well. 🤦

[@myc306]

So damn embarrassing

[@MsLaLa-nq6mi]

Tremendously

[@aprillynn399]

As an American I am embarassed speaking for myself I never thought I was "entitled " to anything I wasn't raised that way I was raised to show respect no matter what. In order to get respect you have to give it and to think that some Americans feel that way is just sickening to me no one should ever think they are better than the next person no matter what nationality they are!!!

[@spring7643]

26:17 thank you for saying that! A lot of idols show that they are sick of the lifestyle but fans choose to ignore it.

[@juliakeeton6953]

Just hearing Lisa from Blackpink talk to the trainees on the Chinese show she was on just makes me realize how insanely hard these people are worked. I mean the trainees tell her that they practiced for five hours. And she tells them that’s not enough. That when she was a trainee she worked from like 5:00 am to 2:00 am. This shouldn’t be the precedent.

[@breakforthechorus6230]

Sadly it is. Welcome to kpop. :( Incredibly unhealthy working conditions and very little sleep. It's no wonder so many fall to mental illness and exhaustion. Hell there are some variety shows where people joke about how sleepy an idol looks and I'm just like "They probably got 2 hours of sleep before this show taping, which takes hours not to mention." The reality of the industry is so dang harsh. That's why I love the product, but hate the process. It's tough. I suffer from mental illnesses that can affect my sleep schedule and give me insomnia and I have had entire weeks where I went to work with 3 hours of sleep or less and It was NOT healthy. I was not in my right mind and going purely on caffeine and adrenaline. Any health professional will tell you , doing that for long periods of time will absolutely have HUGE negative effects on your physical and mental health.

[@blind7630]

@@breakforthechorus6230 Considering how unhealthy they can be, it annoys me sometimes when people complain about the idols' "bad performance"

[@breakforthechorus6230]

@@blind7630 Gosh right?! Poor Jennie. She got the far most hate. Girl was just overworked.

[@annab8971]

@@blind7630 Well, a bad performance is a bad performance. If you spent hours studying for a test and failed it, no one but you is going to look at it and think well at least she put a lot of time in it. The conditions should change for the sake of their health and the kpop industry seems so stressful for these young teenagers who are handing over their childhoods to chase dreams. But at the end of the day it's literally your job to perform well on a fairly consistent level. The real world isn't A for effort.

[@ianchee9318]

@@annab8971 omg so true even for us students we're forced to study and if we take 3 min breaks in between we get scolded for being lazy. and on the exam I'm so tired I can't even think straight. this shows how overworked an idol may be as they have to train their dance as well which may be very tiring

[@tuni16tuni]

AOA already had FOUR members that left the group, and Choa, Seolhyun and Jimin have always been the most popular members but now Seolhyun is the only one left, add to that this scandal...I don't think the group will be able to last long after this...

[@missiontrails]

You make a really good point about Kpop idols not having enough personal space

[@ayyooo1347]

The first story about the Americans triggered me because on Guam, we had a similar situation. The military were supposed to be quarantined because they tested positive for COVID, but with businesses slowly reopening due to low numbers of positive cases , they felt entitled to go out. Because of them, numbers have now risen on Guam and we are currently going on a second wave... It’s literally not that hard to respect the country that you’re residing in and follow orders 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ahjummacjr]

I got into Kpop in late 2015, I have been yelling about them needing a UNION since 2015!!!!!!!!!! They need a union so, so bad and I hope it happens soon.That's a lot of kids being thrown around, neglected, forced into weird situations and even the small things have an affect on their mental state. I stayed because I knew I had to support those I like for being so hard-working, though seeing them makes me sad sometimes.

[@janinas1486]

Love this idea sis!! And i agree with you. Easy for fans to boycott an entire industry for being exploitative but as listeners and consumers, I think we should also step up and call out the management esp when artists can't. Aside from organizing these artists, we should also be keen about bad practices. Boycotting without elevating the issues aint rly doing anything for these artists we claim to love 😥

[@adir6094]

Lmao even for Indians on Diwali, 11 hours at a stretch is to much.

[@nevereverigoteyesonyou8377]

Ya we have breaks in between ( for dinner , neighbours scolding at you , shopping another batch of crackers , etc ) 😂😂😂😂

[@s.s850]

@@nevereverigoteyesonyou8377 😂😂😂

[@lunaam9343]

You didn't mention that FNC explicitly heard about these issues last year from Mina's mouth, when she didn't renew her contract. It fell on deaf ears! There's no speculation about it in my view; they're sorry they got caught, just like Jimin herself...

[@littlelou050]

Yes, of course. They're a company. Jimin is one of the most popular members and she was well liked so it doesn't make sense for them to kick her out when Mina is leaving anyway, sad but true. They've only done this now because the public knows what has happened and if they keep Jimin they'll look bad and it will harm their income along with not getting much from Jimin because she's now hated. The world is fucked up

[@littlelou050]

@Catch_Me_If_You_Can FNC is the company name (-:

[@lunaam9343]

@@littlelou050 I was shocked... For years I had read/heard that FNC cared a lot less about AOA than their boygroups. So I'd have never imagined Jimin or any AOA member being so cosy with management!

[@littlelou050]

@@lunaam9343 That makes sense. Unfortunately it does indeed seem like there was alot that went on without the publics notice. It's such a shame and so, so disgusting. I hope all of the girls are doing well, including Jimin. She did some terrible things but from her behaviour it seems she has some deep rooted problem because it's incredibly unnatural for an adult to behave in this way and I believe that hate doesn't get us anywhere, there's no point in bullying Jimin for bullying Mina that makes us as bad as Jimin herself. FNC is shitty for the part they played. I understand the business tactic in it but ffs Mina said it got so bad she attempted suicide, how can they not say anything or do anything. The least they could've done is let Mina move out and tell Jimin to back off a little

[@lunaam9343]

@@littlelou050 Also, I would not have expected them to just fire Jimin last year because of Mina leaving/sharing (that would have stirred up the press anyways and yes, they're a company.) What I meant was that Mina came forward with serious allegations, and FNC chose to sit on a potential ticking time bomb without even attempting to investigate/mediate behind the scenes.

[@bananabread7707]

Mina was actually in her right mind when she was posting! She was ready to release all the pent up anger hurt of her trauma! That to me means she’s ready to heal! Jimin is evil no matter how sick she is, karma is real ppl be nice to each other!

[@Beagle04]

Tale as old as time . The victim starts to speak up and stand up for themself so people call then hysteric or not in their right mind. The fact that mina said the staff and members were on Jimin's side when they visited is disgusting.

[@blueorchid9455]

@@Beagle04 and that is gaslighting/manipulation. it happens more often than not and the damage it causes is incredible due to its abstract undefined form. You can expose(even this has its problems) direct explicit harm whether physical or psychological(bruises or insults) but this particular abuse its almost downright impossible to do so. I have been through this and had been exposed to this since i have memory, its something I would not wish to anybody because depending on its gravity it can break a person's mind, a person's reality. we do not all have the same mental strength to recover from this in a specific set of years or a specific treatment, even if we are away from the abusers the mentality stays and is in us. its something you have to fight every single day. I sincerely hope she recovers and completely understand the anger even resentment she feels. she is strong enough to speak up she will be strong enough to get better

[@Beagle04]

@@blueorchid9455 apart from jimin she also needs to stay away from people who just stood their while she was being bullied. It will be better for her mental health. I just hope their fandom doesn't blame her if the group disband. I hope she can recover from this trauma.

[@32JazzyD]

Man we just continue to embarrass ourselves🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️ as a black person and as an American. Oh my gosh...

[@alexamucker]

true I watched the sbs news video of it and comments were racist saying horrible stuff about black people really sad and embarrassing

[@32JazzyD]

Alexa right we overcome the stereotypes if we keep acting like asses anytime we go somewhere, and why were they celebrating the 4th anyway? 😒😒😒

[@violiningss]

Danny: We're All doomed. The world is gonna end. We can't be saved. David: Look on the brigh- Danny: IT'S ALL OVER NOW. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

[@aicc1728]

I’m with Danny on this one

[@KL-jq3mo]

Danny is funny 😂

[@alessiab426]

I love it

[@atefezare5623]

Just Imagine what Americans have done in middle east...

[@lano1275]

Ikr! Can't they just mind their own bussiness?

[@hellsingtomas-vejar7144]

;/...??

[@breakforthechorus6230]

Gosh. I feel so bad for middle eastern countries. Most non conservative American's agree that we never should have been there in the first place. Just typical American government putting their noses in country affairs that they don't belong in and using it as an excuse to take their resources, for example oil reserves in the middle east. :(

[@larashlomi8582]

*I feel so bad for you i´m sorry this is american governement😩😩🙏🙏😢😢😢*

[@rubyj9497]

Yeah all of these countries like Yemen Syria and Palestine us soldiers have killed most of the population and then are rewarded and people are proud of them.

[@missythang2602]

Dude as a American when I went to Korea I didn’t even want to breathe and bother someone 😂 I would never cause a big scene ESPECIALLY in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY 😭😭

[@meral_k]

Americans love their soldiers so much. Now look at them how they’re behaving outside of their country. Are you still proud of them?

[@bapbaby4life503]

Yes I'm still very proud of them. But unfortunately there are stupid heads, and that's in every country and every military. Like dkdtv said this is just a fraction not the military.

[@meral_k]

BapBaby 4Life I honestly cannot wrap my head around how much Americans worship and admire their soldiers when they’ve been destroying countries for centuries now.

[@joonvert899]

Actually there is a lot of us actually despise the military for their war crimes. Many ppl these days have been showing distaste to the military

[@FANI-NI]

@@meral_k you sound very narrow minded, do you not know how big the military is to be generalizing them all?

[@katherinemani4113]

An American here I mean I dont get much of the hype for them and their actions shall not reflect the country as a whole .. although they are representing us.. but I dont Condone them

[@frostyshark1265]

Whenever I see BTS talk to or about each other (mostly in the movies where they even show disagreements), they are very articulate about their feelings and it makes me think they maybe receive therapy or group therapy in some way or another, and that's how they get along so well. (This is just speculation, I have no proof) Even in the Run BTS, can be seen as group activities to strengthen their bond, when they are teamed up with different member each time. Also normalize therapy!

[@erinkemble5950]

I also think because of the company/ the boss how they handle mental health for their idols/singers, and how they handle their situation with a therapist and also have follow up and listening to their artist and help them in finding solution to their problems rather letting them fight/creating problems thus creating more more issues towards the artist/idol groups. I like how hitman bang made the BTS members 'talk amongst the group' in order get better understanding and learning/creating solutions rather escualting the problem.

[@clarachimmm907]

It’s true that many kpop idols are receiving mental therapies quite often, its a way of keeping them have a stable mental health status. And I am glad that they are actually getting along pretty well bc there are bands that members are not even friends off stage

[@poddopetals]

IDK about group therapy but it's confirmed that Namjoon has a therapist!

[@casieg.7040]

@@poddopetals yeah, Namjoon and yoongi have openly talked about therapy and their mental struggles before.

[@erinlee5936]

@@poddopetals Other male idols have gone to therapy as well. SuJu's leader Leeteuk and Heechul have openly talked about going to therapy and receiving treatment for depression, etc.

[@JReed-wo6oh]

I'm an American and appalled by the soldiers' behavior. How embarrassing and in a host country! I hope they aren't allowed off base next year.

[@ylee442]

This happens every year FYI

[@KianaDahling]

Do American soldiers receive cultural sensitivity training when they are stationed in different countries?

[@NA-kz5po]

I don't think so . All their taught is combat and startegy.

[@anlicsceadu]

They most definitely do. Doesn't mean some of them aren't stupid assholes though. I highly expect some major misconduct charges (possibly court-martials...but I'm no expert on USMJ laws) to be handed out to most of the instigators. If it's a good command, they should be held accountable for their actions. I sure as hell hope the State Department gets involved and makes sure things are done correctly.

[@Nicole-dk1cn]

Yes, an excessive amount too. Problem is most just either click through it as fast as possible or zone out during the lectures. Military training is incredibly boring.

[@GabrieleJackson]

Yes, they do. There is thorough training on foreign customs, food, social rules and language. But with herd mentality plus alcohol, mayhem ensues. There are always individuals who don't give a fuck.

[@haroeris7597]

There shouldn't be trained for that, it's common human decency to respect the host if you are a guest. But i guess US already a lost cause for something like common ethic, look at their president lol

[@ambersunnyamber]

Bruh talking about how they are surprised people have been firing firecrackers for 11 hours, meanwhile in America itself, the firecrackers have been going off since May non-stop

[@cairnsandy1]

was wondering about AOA , found out a lot , thanks

[@nyehehe652]

"let's see how they like it when we build a wall" 😭😂😂 got me weak

[@jktm7785]

It really does amaze me how strong the bond between BTS is, and it looks so genuine. They fit so well together, they respect each other. But it's so rare to find, especially in kpop groups and in real life too. Random people coming together to form a group and being stuck with each other for years, spending every day together. Especially groups that have like 12 members. How do all these people even get along? Different personalities, different backgrounds, different opinions and ideas. What about NCT, that also amazes me how they seem to match with each other well, but we never know what's really going on behind the closed doors. It must be so mentally straining and exhausting. Now imagine one of the members being a complete jerk and you have to live with them for 7+years pretending you like each other. And it's so true how these kids sign contracts without really knowing anything. Most of them can't dance or sing straight away, they get picked because of their visuals and are "made" into idols. That entire industry is so... I love KPOP but the system truly is awful.

[@numeekune1398]

With all respect to BTS and NCT (and all kpop group and their fans), that's what people called "Profesionalism". I can't say they bff, but BTS clearly has good profesional relationship. Sometimes profesional relationship better than friendship because they will much respect each other's privacy and understand their shared and individual tasks and goals. This is better than forcing yourself to be a close friend. Professional relationships can actually be the beginning of friendship if they do well.

[@em5522]

@@numeekune1398 Agreed, because we don't know their private selves, we can only speculate that they have a great private friendship (even with all the public evidence strongly supporting this notion, there's no way for us to actually know without actually knowing them). But there's no doubt that BTS has an exceptional professional relationship and that really does make all the difference when you work as a team. I used to work 2 jobs: one where my team had a great working relationship that it almost felt like a family and the other where there was so much drama between co-workers. In the former, it was very easy for people to agree to work extra during off-hours and get together for non-work related activities, but in the latter, many of us would only do the bare minimum needed to get out/away from each other as quick as possible. In the latter, we had to strictly stick with an official professional code just in order to function together because even the smallest conflicts could blow up. In the former, we were able to be much more relaxed because it was easier to be honest and open about what we needed and expected from each other, so it was much easier to solve conflicts together.

[@michellevyanca5280]

@@numeekune1398 agreed. They have the same goal and vision and they all work together to achieve it. They know when to get serious when they need to and when to let loose and relax.

[@TrixTasha]

Every day being American gets more and more embarrassing 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@xXSweet_Sakura_KissXx]

I swear a lot of theses military ppl are just a bunch of frat boys 🙄🙄

[@remi4610]

Oh yea! They definitely have a similar subculture to frats

[@crist3809]

Ikr i thought it was my country only thingy but it seems other countries have the same problems lmao

[@ahkinda]

Is that not the truth? 😒 Everyone BUT the ROTC kids at my HS knew that ROTC kids were weird from Day 1

[@TheAmbitionBabe]

Truth

[@margs7587]

I have always thought about how hard it is living together with random trainees and debuting with them because you dont always get along with people you are randomly grouped with. I worked at a hospital as intern for a year and we are divided into groups to work. One of the worst years of my life in a group. I was not bullied but having people so different from you to the point where u dont get along just sucks. Its just a year. Cant imagine for idols who even need to pretend theyre close.

[@plantadelbosque]

that thing about the dorms is so true I remember Key from SHINee had said they despised each other when they were living together. They stopped living in dorms and their bond got stronger out of the blue. To work and live 24/7 with the same people might be tiring af, so I do agree they should have some amount of liberty and/or personal space. I think it would be way more healthy for all of them Also, I don't really understand how normalized everybody have to have US military bases in their countries?! I'm from Latinoamerica, but I'm living in Japan, and here everybody talks about the bases just like you guys do and I MEAN WHAT?! Why on earth there is another country having sovereignty in your own country? I can't like fathom that idea, seriously cannot.

[@urprettysmile]

I live in California... for the past two months and mainly the past two weeks like EVERY HOUR there is a firework... like literally the last two days workin up to the 4th i literally didnt sleep because ppl be doing the big big fireworks... i finally got earplugs

[@anonumosGirl]

I live in California too, it's horrible 😩

[@bangtanhime1257]

Happening over here to Colorado too🙄

[@itsnotamie]

Bro in my area, it was like a week before July 4th and there was already fireworks. AND its was ALL NIGHT LONG;-;

[@yvetteduru5120]

Even in DC, it was terrible

[@user-ey4np9yx7v]

same! it’s starting to get really annoying

[@kore3218]

I am disappointed in seolhyun I thought she was a cool person,never liked jimin . We never know what happens behind the scene of idols we stan. This will change the way I see k-pop now.

[@hasa8491]

I wouldn't be surprised if she participated in the bullying...

[@b.h6060]

You all are being way too much

[@jktm7785]

And the fact that she brought a guy in the dorm and had s*x with him, now this might be pretty common in kpop groups and yet people claim their idols are still "virgins." well, I don't think so...

[@ALing-ff2qf]

Has A there’s a clip on Knowing Brothers that asked about criticism and Yuna didn’t hesitate to call out Seolhyun 😂😂

[@ishuika]

@@jktm7785 People who think all Kpop idols are "virgins" are clearly young......very young. A industry that relies heavily on appearance it's not crazy that some of them have probably slept with other people. If anything Kpop idols might be getting on the most. They are hardly aloud to be around the opposite sex so they would probably desire sex more.

[@adress13]

The bickering about living together was hilarious

[@eye_nead_2_dookey]

This is why I always tell people “Im not American, i was just unfortunately born in America.” It may not make sense but it will to certain people🤷🏾‍♂️

[@euphoriacloudlands160]

Can I use that term? Cause this is literally me.

[@seradabdi2444]

Say you’re Canadian then, just don’t shame us tho 😂

[@euphoriacloudlands160]

@@seradabdi2444 I won't.

[@maymaecat5149]

I might start using this

[@misxfitx]

i say the same about my country lol im ashamed of the popular behaviors and opinions in my country so i always shit on my country if i have to say where im from

[@xyz-hs9ix]

I'm sorry there's nothing that can make me think they couldn't do ANYTHING to stop jimin. If all of them put her in place at once things wouldn't have escalated tjis tragically. Like what would jimin even do? Idc if she's the leader if so many people call you out on your bullying at once you gotta believe you're the problem. Also seolhyun is literally "soulmates" with jimin, there's no way she didn't know about it amd continued to be best friends with her

[@Beagle04]

Maybe being friends with the bully means you won't be bullied.

[@alexaibpinto]

@@Beagle04 then that makes it even worse. you see someone being mentally tortured but you don't do anything bc you don't wanna be bullied? pff please, don't be selfish

[@mimischannel308]

yootaeyangtrash tell em i think she knew

[@xojust_j]

I know it is very ugly, but I find it difficult to talk about the relationships between the members. I imagine that not even the company did anything, it would probably just have more fighting, besides that it is the leader and they have more power in the group. But, you can't even know why, we are not there or experiencing it. Those who watch also participate, we don't even know if the other girls also suffered. Mina only talked about Jimin, so the other people didn't do it, maybe they watched it, but sometimes they talked to her or something. Hard to say...

[@s.schlum682]

A method of bullies is to isolate everyone by making a scapegoat of one person, and then treating others around them with intermittent favouritism. This creates a mindset, however unconscious, where you are less likely to intervene or stand up for yourself/others because it was “in your best interest” to lay low/maintain favouritism. It doesn’t make sense, but that may be the point, to divide the populace. I’ve unfortunately observed and experienced something similar, and it was very hard to get out of that mindset while we were in it because each day, you were scared out of your mind. That fear tunnel visions you into figuring out how to make it through the next moment. There’s no energy left to even think about how to topple the tyrant. You’re exhausted all the time. All. The time.

[@jaileneaguilar9246]

we've experience the same here in NYC. hearing Firework since April from 8pm to 4am and it still going on.