Trump, Putin, Biden, You | Matt Taibbi | EP 392

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with author and journalist Matt Taibbi. They discuss his early career both in journalism and professional basketball, his time in the U.S.S.R. learning Russian and publishing a successful gonzo-inspired newspaper, and his breaking coverage of the subprime mortgage bubble. They also examine the state of the world today with Russia and the U.S. military industrial complex, the upcoming presidential election, and the dire necessity for alternative news sources.
Matt Taibbi is an award-winning investigative reporter and one of America’s more recognizable literary voices. In 2002, Taibbi began work as a contributing editor for Rolling Stone. There he won the National Magazine Award for commentary. He is best known for his coverage of four presidential campaigns, of the 2008 financial crisis, and the criminal justice system. He has written ten books, including four New York Times bestsellers: The Great Derangement, Griftopia, The Divide, and Insane Clown President. His book, I Can’t Breathe, about the police killing of Eric Garner, was named one of the year’s ten best books by the Washington Post. His latest book about media division, Hate Inc., has been hailed by everyone from Joe Rogan to Publishers Weekly, and called “The best explanation of media behavior since Manufacturing Consent” by Glenn Greenwald.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:32) Intro
(1:21) Professional sports in Europe
(4:47) In the domiciles of the former Soviet Union
(7:07) The Moscow Times, the eXile
(10:15) Hunter S. Thompson, Gonzo Journalism
(11:47) The loss of the narratively-interesting journalist
(13:45) Noam Chomsky
(14:29) The Russia-Ukraine conflict, expansion of NATO
(18:54) Who benefits from the proxy war?
(24:55) If they’d given Trump the Nobel Peace Prize
(28:49) The lack of an anti-war movement
(29:55) Campaign reporting, why Trump was such a disruptor
(36:24) Hilary Clinton, red flags for the singular pursuit of power
(38:33) Why small business owners vote for big business candidates
(41:17) The degree of blindness was staggering, “the most experienced insider”
(43:40) RFK Jr’s campaign manager, a groundswell of frustration
(46:37) Heyday of the Rolling Stone, reporting on the economy
(50:00) The 2008 collapse explained
(56:43) Should more people have been prosecuted after 2008?
(1:00:20) The rise of woke capitalism, false contrition?
(1:04:53) Insane Clown President
(1:06:53) First impressions of Trump from the 2016 campaign trail
(1:09:16) Manipulation or leadership?
(1:16:28) The issue with cops, stats-based policing regimes, and ethnic relations
(1:23:03) Hate Inc. and audience optimization
(1:28:47) The Munk Debates, facing Malcolm Gladwell
(1:35:09) The Twitter Files
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[@chickmcgee1000]

My father, a conservative midwestern farmer, would make copies of Matt’s RS articles on the banking debacle and toss them in my pickup truck for me to read. I became a believer in his reporting. Nice to listen to this conversation between two of my most respected people.

[@jasonleveck8546]

You remember when he reported on the NY state gaming commission and that they were gonna regulate wall street the same as they do casino's? That was breath taking to know and that the power structure stopped them and shut it down, almost forcing the 2008 meltdown.

[@raifsevrence]

It's insane listening to people talk about the 2008 sub prime grift as "new financial technologies" . TIL inventing new ways to conduct criminal negligence, greed, fraud etc is simply a financial innovation.

[@jerrybobteasdale]

Good. Nice to hear of another midwestern farmer with similar thoughts.

[@davesmith4110]

yes, i recall all those conservative mid westerners who voted for George W Bush as he bailed out wallstreet..idiots...so glad rural America is aging out of existence...

[@scottclitherw1235]

I believe Matt wants to tell the truth! Like Josh Hartnet character in Most Wanted - great movie, old school journalist telling ppl what happened

[@alichebry]

They just don’t make ‘‘em like Matt anymore, a journalist with integrity and charm. Thanks Jordan for another stellar interview 🙏

[@LateNightRewrites]

True, he very well be the last of his kind. Nowadays the modern journalist is a cloistered echochamber-influenced servant of the elite, willingly and without shame mind you

[@ShaneMitchell-kz3fw]

Listening to Peterson describe the 2008 financial crisis in a few minutes was more informative than the 13 years I spent in American public schools.

[@austinfondren5053]

Hyperbolic nonsense. You wouldn't have appreciated what he said had you not already had pre-requisite knowledge

[@noorzanayasmin7806]

You dont learn these things in school. You learn these things in real world with experience in politics

[@ShaneMitchell-kz3fw]

I wasn't implying public schools had taught me nothing, but the difference in the density of information I retained between 13 years of eight hours a day teachings vs. a few minute explanation was shocking to me.

[@andrewlounsbury9733]

Take for example the average knowledge of finance or lack thereof; a one week crash course on budgeting... or even a few 45 minute videos on youtube after you've been broke is so much more beneficial than what you'll learn in high school.

[@sidlee3118]

​@@austinfondren5053ㅣ

[@Nettamorphosis]

I’m only 5 minutes in and this guy has lived a hell of a life. Pro baseball, Pro Basketball, and Pro Writer. 🤯

[@wbw910]

Being born into communist USSR, a 2nd world country.

[@girumzemichael704]

@@wbw910 Who was born in the USSR? Not MT.. and not that that point is necessarily relevant to having the time of your life anyway ✌️

[@eole123456789]

Pro… in Mongolia though

[@theresagomez2605]

​@@eole123456789and what are your noteworthy accomplishments? 🙄

[@Nettamorphosis]

@@eole123456789 In what country were you a pro?

[@jakelee8538]

Matt sounds like a 'surfer dude' ... and then you listen to what he's saying. Absolutely brilliant. He's probably the most significant, honest and important journalist we have right now. Fantastic conversation. Thank you, Jordan ❤

[@jrd33]

Glen Greenwald is another contender for that title.

[@johndonovan6840]

I was about to say the same .. Greenwald is another principled journalist in this time of need.

[@johndonovan6840]

Whitney Webb is another shining light.

[@psiloatlantis1246]

That’s great, Glenn Greenwald- it’s like the comments here are predictive AI, I was about to make the same point about Glenn Greenwald and then found someone else did and then another. Whitney Webb is pretty interesting, although she mentioned Jordan in A less than favorable context just kind of a side comment grouping him in with kind of more far right people… A common misperception that I realize I had until I actually started listening to him speak rather than soundbites of him saying some thing that could be perceived out of context as being extreme. I think Tybee and Peterson have very similar motivation, to basically look at what’s being presented and filter out all thisthe rubbish And essentially tell the truth as they see through their filter… So it’s not surprising that they would be fairly aligned. I thought it was great when I saw that there was a Peterson Taibbi interview, because they are perceived as being polar opposites on the political spectrum… Taibbi Brent being a Bernie (that is a Bernie as he presented himself back in 2016)-And Peterson being seen as an ultra conservative.

[@mikeh3559]

can anybody say james okeefe

[@JaydeJackson]

I've always respected Matt's journalism but didn't realise that he lived such an interesting life. I'm well impressed.

[@MarkAhrens-HeritageFilms]

He plays drums too! Does he have half a cigarette in each ear?

[@Think-dont-believe]

When you don’t have to work for a living you can play sports and hang out and abuse your diplomatic status in poor countries.. Then skip out when you get in trouble. Get a dream job because of your name.. later .. 54 yr old and very wealthy he is handed a reporter’s dream to disclose the crimes of govt censorship including FBI and who knows what else ….Since he cldnt put the crimes against society behind a pay wall then he didnt care and not gonna do it …. threw a public fit walked away and the files got closed for over a year … and the crimes against humanity have continued to this day… .. Real respectful guy …

[@Think-dont-believe]

@@MarkAhrens-HeritageFilmsHe didn’t have that in his books … he had where he harassed his buddy girl told her they wld kill her if she didn’t abort the baby and he brag about sex w 15 yr olds … and non stop harassment and assaults on girls … but drums nope not in his memoirs

[@joaniem3817]

@@MarkAhrens-HeritageFilms They’re Apple AirPods. I’m wearing them to listen to this.

[@redtorino6393]

Filtered Vape

[@scottgibbs5903]

This is one of your best interviews. This is the exact kind of conversations we need in this country. I’m going to do a deep dive into reading Matt Taibbi.

[@marthabromberg6274]

You won't regret a mi oute of it :-)

[@user-bx3yi3pm2e]

Matt doesn’t come across as tough as nails but he definitely is. He’s seems to me to be a controlled monster as JP might say. Absolutely a great human being.

[@andrewcain6518]

If you haven't seen his response to the Congresswoman who calls him a so called journalist, you should.

[@LateNightRewrites]

​@@andrewcain6518this. He gave her such a thorough dressing-down in such a concise and polite way. Glorious.

[@yargum69]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for having Matt Taibbi on! He is one of the most important journalists of our generation for his commitment to journalistic objectivity in this extremely politicized time

[@emcarnahan]

Hear, hear! ☺️

[@greebj]

IMO he damaged his credibility when was used by Elon Musk to attempt to manufacture a feast of outrage out of the nothingburger that was government censorship of Twatter

[@Dhb61]

Fek off don't talk nonsense

[@castello544]

@@StuartBailey-re4mh trumph is a big ass phony. They both said that. What question did you want Jordan to ask?

[@daveg4963]

Dudes practically a commie.

[@damianketcham]

“You know a State is corrupt when you can no longer bribe it”…..that’s gold.

[@euphegenia]

I would have loved to hear him expound on that

[@hail9814]

It betrays logic out of context. He needs to explain that one.

[@damianketcham]

@@hail9814 It implies that the State is naturally corrupt. In this case, they could no longer bribe the low level people because the state was actively taking down dissent. A higher level of corruption. But fundamentally, it implies that governments are naturally corrupt and that the only metric is the magnitude of corruption.

[@Christopher-iv6sn]

@@euphegenia I wouldn’t speak for Matt or Jordan, but I’ll take a stab at this one. If there is absolutely no ability for people to bribe a government, then that would imply one of two things. Either the government is absolutely benevolent and therefore incorruptible, or the government is so strongly ideological and set in its goals, which are not benevolent, or in the public’s best interest, that it is impossible to steer them off course regardless of reason. There are countries where you need to bribe the government in order to not be persecuted by the government. That is theoretically a better situation than the second option above where the government would persecute you absolutely, absent any ability for people to “buy their freedom”. We’d love to believe that a government only has our best interests at heart, but I don’t believe many people, if any, would make that claim. The conclusion to draw from this would be that at least some corruption is actually signs of a healthier government since no government is devoid of its own interests divorced from the public’s desires. If a government claims there is no corruption, they are claiming that either they are the perfect institution that only exists in fantasy, or that they are entirely corrupt to the point that they are unswayable, even by their own citizens. I hope this sparks some ideas for you. Thank you for reading, and have a great day! - a random Canadian

[@designbuild7128]

@@euphegenia It could be seen that bribery is low-level (peanuts) corruption where there is a presence of ethical leadership, but quid pro quos behind the scenes. If bribery is no longer the lever, then it could mean that the governmental forces are fully corrupted, no longer subject to criticism or competition in their own eyes. They own you, get reelected without challenge, lead the "chattel" class by fiat with no apologies or hiddeness, and don't have to provide options to get to your money any longer.

[@danatowne5498]

Matt has a devastating intellect with a huge helping of common sense and heart that I have enjoyed throughout his writing career. Pointing out that using "stop and frisk" on Wall Street might have a closer arrest ratio than many people think was a GREAT way to challenge assumptions - same way his writing often does.

[@AW-mz1zm]

As an American, I lived and worked In Moscow from 98 to 2001 building the American Embassy, I loved the Exile paper, I wish that I would of kept them! Interview brought back some great memories.

[@curtisvalle5141]

Wish I had dollar for each time the Professor makes a statement and his guest responds with "That's exactly right.' Aways a fan of his professional psych. insights but his ability to discuss deeply a vast range of difficult topics is awesome. Most importantly he is taking on the most vexxing problems of our time..... at tremendous cost. God's Speed, Doctor on your Hero's journey.

[@andrewcanady6644]

That was an awesome idea thing to write.

[@ediem4222]

Beautifully written! ❤

[@marywebber593]

That is a really great tribute to Jordan Peterson, his grasp of ideas never ceases to amaze me, he is one of the most important thinkers of our time, he really cares.

[@ellenfarnsworth7111]

@@marywebber593 He needs to stay in his lane and speak about psychology on all other matters hes just another doofus with an opinion. and you know what they say about opinions; they are like assholes everybodys got one and they all stink.

[@ktrimbach5771]

I agree with you on JP’s insight into so many topics. But as someone who knows the Bible, I am always amused when he references biblical stories because he always messes them up! Not that he’s destroying them, although his insights don’t necessarily follow from the narrative 😂

[@RealHebrewMonk]

Matt Taibbi is a national treasure.

[@TheJackSP]

Matt is brilliant, maybe most important journalist of our time. Wonderful interview!

[@ellenfarnsworth7111]

He is brilliant yes, its sad tho that he falls in line with the nonsense spewed forth from the 9/11 commission report and calls anyone who says there is no way those towers fell at freefall speed into their own footprint without controlled demolition a conspiracy theorist.

[@tom19482001]

This is the most interesting conversation that I have heard in a very long time. Thank you both for taking the time to have this wide ranging discussion. Please do this again in the near future.

[@gmk2222]

I love channels that use time stamps. Respectful use of people’s attention. Thank you.

[@dianemilligan7370]

Yes, and you can go back to hear something again!

[@shanemckenzie-wc3mq]

And the captions for me!

[@MathiasMNielsen]

Thank you Jordan, for being a voice of reason and encouragement in these times of great confusion

[@CC-xn5xi]

Jordan thinks a rapist deserves a Nobel Prize. That's disgusting.

[@AlamoAL]

We do need more voices like his, but I think his opinion on American politics should be shelved and he should speak on Canadian politics only

[@castello544]

@@AlamoAL trudeau will have him banned from youtube I think

[@MrLiamHenderson]

​@@AlamoALAmerican politics are world politics, alas. So, to request his silence on the matter is pretty low

[@glutenfrei628]

What confusion? It’s clear what is happening

[@zerosometime5655]

I see Matt as brave: living in another country as a young guy, playing professional sports, and building a business in Russia. He is really admirable.

[@rpjswish]

Wonderful conversation, and good to get to know Matt more in depth. Jordan, you are not only very learned and articulate, you conduct interesting interviews. Thank you both for a less political prospective on events that have affected us all.

[@videovuer]

Dr. Peterson, so appreciate this in depth interview with Matt Taibi. I've followed him for many years for his excellent reporting on complex issues & insights into how the news business works, but I had no idea that he is such a fascinating & extraordinary person above & beyond his professional contributions. Thank you both!

[@guy7018]

Listening to this interview reminds me why I no longer trust any of our status quo institutions. I was always skeptical, but in recent years my skepticism has been confirmed constantly. Most fellow citizens are too busy to be aware of what is "really" happening. Kudos to Matt and Jordon on standing up to "Big Lie" being propagated by the elites and their useful idiots in the system.

[@anairenemartinez165]

What is "really " happening? I'd really like to know.

[@GodSaveTheUnitedStates]

Some will remain "useful idiots" and some will rise above and start using their intellect and common sense. What a great thing it is, that so many Americans are waking up to the corruption on both sides. I feel like we have a very good chance of righting the ship, if of course we don't squander it.

[@LateNightRewrites]

​@@anairenemartinez165in short, the systemic malignancy of metastasized Marxism marching through our institutions (kind of, once I started alliterating I couldn't stop with M words) Public trust in our historied institutions is crucial for a democratic process to maintain legitimacy, and that public trust has been consistently eroded in recent decades thanks largely to progressive ideology and blatant establishment elite corruption

[@CarmenMorrison-nc3cq]

​@@anairenemartinez165 ??? The comment was directly in causation to the content of the interview. Did you watch the interview?

[@kaloncar]

Thank you once again Dr. Peterson for another brilliant interview. I learned a lot. Matt is a highly unique and interesting person who seems genuinely interested in getting to the bottom of things in the news.

[@betheva5917]

Intelligent conversation has become so rare. It’s a relief it’s still possible.

[@delavan9141]

Matt Taibbi is maybe the most talented sense-making author-journalist of our time. What an excellent choice of guest. Would like to have heard more from him in this interview. Oh, BTW, what's with the "This Podcast will Polarize You--And it Should?" I didn't hear anything particularly "polarizing" in this discussion. The proposition itself doesn't even make sense--that I should be "polarized." What does that even mean?

[@danboyd6180]

Him Glen Greenwald and Seymour Hersch are real American Heroes

[@avengemybreath3084]

@noonenobody4206yes - he has an obvious point of view, but is a rare independent voice with integrity

[@dave9547]

​@noonenobody4206 yes

[@nedhill1242]

@noonenobody4206 YES! Glenn and Michael Schellenberger.

[@zoltanrudolf9413]

It's a clickbait title that is beneath the dignity of JP/DW.

[@valeriecalder1273]

Great conversation, it seems that some people feel they want to control what everybody else thinks and says. This has to stop. We are a free people and need to know what exactly is going on at any one time. Thank you for a massive encouragement going forward. God bless you both.

[@coleatencio]

“it seems that some people feel they want to control what everybody else thinks and says. This has to stop.“ 🤦‍♀️🤦🤦‍♂️ Why are you trying to control what people say 😆

[@LateNightRewrites]

We are only free so long as we maintain a common unifying belief in freedom. Today thanks to the proliferation of all things woke, something like 1 in 4 or 1 in 3 say the first amendment goes /too far/. If that figure grows much more we've lost our freedom.

[@Ryan.fromWA]

I came here from DW+ just to comment that this was one of the most interesting interviews ive seen Jordan do (I've seen em all) and was entertaining, enlightening and educational. Very well done to both of them.

[@Florida_Woman]

This was a really fantastic interview of Matt! So fun to hear about his big time sports career. ❤ I never knew!!

[@tommythompson7941]

Thank you Doc, for helping to shine a light on a better way of life for all of us.

[@marttivallila]

Great interview! As someone who was traveling in Russia (looking for potentially transformational technologies) in the 90’s I read Matt’s Exile with interest and glee. I did find a promising treatment for Alzheimer’s and cofounded a company in Finland (my father’s country) as a first step to commercialization in the West. What happened next is detailed in many of the “Bannana books” I have written and published on Amazon and Kindle. They have not received the attention this story deserves. Perhaps this post will attract the attention of people who have platforms able to spread the word.

[@anomietoponymie2140]

I was a great fan of the Exile as well. Wishing you every success in finding a cure for Alzheimer's from which both of my parents died.

[@LoanShoppingExpert]

@marttivallila wrote: I did find a promising treatment for Alzheimer’s... What is the treatment? Getting Alzheimer's is my biggest fear.

[@reginaschwartz3272]

Another sophisticated and interesting discussion. Thank you gentlemen.

[@michaelbovee2477]

Listening to Matt is like hearing music from a virtuoso. His experiences are incredible.

[@cristinalacoste2062]

What a great conversation! Straight talk from informed individuals on interesting subjects. Exactly what I expected from these gentlemen. Thank you both.

[@ellenfarnsworth7111]

yeah how are those abraham accords working out for the oppressed people that are being ignored by said abraham accords?

[@ellenfarnsworth7111]

@@googlenazicompany5935 jp should stay in his lane and just expound on matters of psychology. On all other subjects he is just another doofus with an opinion and you know what they say about opinions; they are like assholes, everybodys got one and they all stink.

[@oliveoil7642]

@@ellenfarnsworth7111 If Trump was in power as he should have been they would be working out just fine. The trouble is we have a dementia patient at the helm and a criminal corrupt administration backing him so what do you expect ? 🤔

[@cailancook9720]

Jordan understands the importance of The Jester in the dark-age we're currently living through. Forever grateful for this wonderful & poignant commentary on current events that often seem nearly impossible to comprehend.

[@Bob-qq4is]

The fact that conservatives think they’re living through dark ages is hilarious, when shit hits the fan the right will be begging for America to be like it is today

[@justanothernick3984]

Maybe you are listening to the wrong people if the things they present are nearly impossible to comprehend. JBP and politics is like oil and water. And this guy is supposed to be somewhat clear sighted?! I think those benzos did a number on his limbic system and he is so afraid of the final part of his life. Yes, he too is mortal and will walk the same path. So I get that he is on this mental journey to stave off his anxiety but is it useful to frighten a whole horde of undereducated men to try to live some heroes journey like immature boys imagine? It's all well and good to be the best you and help others. But he hardly even plays those cards anymore. It's just moralizing now. Heck, it's even in the video title. He lost it when he fought the windmills in 2016 with the bill C-16. And since then, his followers have lent him the courtesy of telling the emperor how fine his "clothes" are...

[@andrewstockton8876]

Very well worded. However, anyone who has taken the time to listen to Dr. Peterson in many podcasts and lectures, at length, would strongly disagree with you. Your comment is covered in disdain. Based on your comment, your opinion is based on that of other pessimistic people, not anyone who actually cared what was uttered from the horses mouth. No Dr. Peterson isn't always 100% correct, he's not God. Neither was Einstein. But he is a damn good man and one of the greatest minds of our lifetime. He is worthy and has earned the respect of his fan base and most others that are actually willing to listen.

[@menow.]

@@justanothernick3984 "Windmills"? As if C-16 was insignificant?

[@daisyviluck7932]

@@justanothernick3984you’re fine with young people being driven into madness and mutilation. Got it

[@ktrimbach5771]

What really impresses my about Taibbi and his writing (after his integrity ofc) is his ability to come up with contemporary metaphors and references that are both interesting and insightful.

[@debrahumphreys9305]

Thank you for a special conversation. I enjoyed listening to two intellectuals who are not bought and sold by a narrative assigned to them

[@IdahoHobo]

Two rare voices who help solidify our thoughts around the social/political difficulties of our time.. 👍

[@NickG088]

This is an outstanding conversation. Of particular interest to me was the conversation (starting at about the 50:00 mark) about the 2007 financial crisis. For years I've listened to the political left and right blame each other for that crisis. And I think there was something to both claims. But here Peterson and Taibbi illuminate factors that never get any play in the public political debate, producing an understanding of the crisis that comes much, much closer to the truth of those events than the explanations that have been spoon fed to us by political actors and their allies in the media.,

[@UrbanKizBeast]

39:48 People vote to their dreams not their reality This man is a well of wisdom. What an intellectual beast. Keep going sir. We love you.

[@dianemilligan7370]

So much respect for both Jordan and Matt!

[@robbie1290]

I love JP🙏🏼 He has been one of few people in my adult life to have influenced and open my mind to new ideas and values. As an adult, I love to read. But, I've never been interested in fiction; until JP uttered the name "Friedrich Nietzsche." Now, sifting through the pages of _Thus Spoke Zarathustra_ I am forever thankful! There is so much relatable non-fiction, told within fiction.

[@crakhaed]

What do you mean, pieces of nonfiction within fiction? Very curious if you mean like wisdom or observations about life or the human condition situated in a fictional narrative

[@percybyssheshelley8573]

​@@crakhaedummm, I think one could say that..

[@antoinettejurgens1177]

Loved this conversation with the "so called journalist " 😂 What a fascinating live he's lived. Appreciate his character and commitment to the truth.

[@spaceranger3728]

When Stacy Plaskett read from her script and called him a "so-called journalist" realized our congress is populated with some of the slowest dullards of our society.

[@l0wr3z]

Love Matt glad to hear his amazing journey. Gives me hope with both these gentlemen around.

[@djm5310]

One of my favorite podcasts this year. Thank you Jordan and Matt!

[@ellenfarnsworth7111]

ask them how those abraham accords are working out for the oppressed people that said abraham accords completely ignored.

[@kaloncar]

The revelation of the Twitter Files was absolutely useful and important. Thank you Matt and Elon!

[@katnip198]

This conversation was enjoyed so much. Matt Taibbi, a voice I trust. Jordan, thank you for this conversation.

[@sjc1989]

I love to hear these issues discussed with depth. Such a blessing. Adults should be able to receive and evaluate complicated issues. Awesome to see a couple of grown ups.

[@willyporter7373]

During this conversation about working class. It speaks for the need of Jordan and Mike Rowe to do a podcast! Those two could explore new ideas.

[@thesaltycrone9237]

Like that idea!

[@maryt.2067]

I really like your interviews, it is great to see people interviewed by someone who is actually interested in what the person actualy has to share. Love Matt Taibi, I follow him on substack

[@EmilyBrownstone-ul1un]

Thank you Jordan for keeping up the good works that hopefully, helps our future!

[@williamwhitten7820]

*What a wonderfull conversation between two people with actual common sense. Two of my favorite people,*

[@fnealsept]

you hit the nail on the head. i visited russia in 2014 and the russian people were just as friendly to me as i was to them. they wanted to visit the usa just as i wanted to visit russia. if it wasn't for our leaders i am convinced that the average citizen would get along just fine with each other. eisenhower seemed to be accurate about the industrial military complex is the biggest problem and is all for keeping all the conflicts going.

[@anairenemartinez165]

I visited in the early 1990's fresh off the Soviet fall. The people were friendly all right. McDonald was a birthday gift to a girl from her mother. They were struggling. Our Moscow guide said she was a teacher but she made more money as a tourist guide, able to speak good English and all. I enjoy San Peterburgs more than dreary Moscow.

[@mysikind8076]

@@anairenemartinez165 *Saint Petersburg 😉

[@ssmith5048]

Great guest, great conversation.

[@MDL.720]

Matt has had such an amazing life and I get the feeling there’s plenty more to come. Keep blazing your own trail mate.

[@markkennedy5479]

As a Torontonian who thought Jordan Peterson displayed a unique set of talents in occasional guest appearances on TVO's The Agenda, long before this crazy international fame exploded over his head, and as a retired reference librarian with longstanding interest in freedom of speech issues and the health of the information commons, who's read Hate Inc. and is a great admirer of Matt Taibbi, I found this interview an extra-special treat. It's nice to know Matt likes Toronto. Torontonians who subscribe to Racket News probably like him right back, and it's possible this interview will significantly enlarge the set size of people in that category.

[@dalelerette206]

Well done. Thank you Dr. Peterson for having Matt Taibbi on!

[@mat9198]

what a rare and unique human being he seems very intelligent but looks to be burdened with it aswell what an interesting person thanks jordan

[@grandwizard9088]

Matt looks like a 25 yr old yet is as intellectual and experienced as a 90 yr old…. Damn good man💪

[@anomietoponymie2140]

It's funny you should think that. I, who have been following him for decades, was just lamenting how old he is looking now. Yes, a damn good man, best of the best.

[@jeffreyyoungblood7438]

He's in his 50s

[@GDMan-fb1jx]

Thank you for sharing this fascinating conversation with my favorite investigative journalist,you both are brilliant ❤

[@elizabethwilfong2260]

Excellent! So much to digest and process. My notes alone will keep me busy for days. Thank you, Jordan for your NO NONSENSE when dealing with everything. I am encouraged-AGAIN-to keep living and fighting my own little, daily, battles with the establishments of life.

[@Boomstick308]

I've been waiting years for this conversation. Thanks so much for this Dr. Peterson.

[@user-kp8ps9zz4r]

Haha just before this I was watching Matt in another video. It's funny Matt hasn't been interviewed by Jordan before. This is going to be great. Thanks guys.

[@brachakishinevsky5896]

Thank you so much dr. Peterson! Loved this podcast and everything else you are doing! Starting from 12 rools of life! You helped me to regain the balance in my hectic life! Please stay strong healthy!❤

[@rileystewart9165]

I love me some Matt Taibbi content. Very clever, observant, and knowledgeable.

[@leanmchungry4735]

I've been a fan of Matt's style and wit for years. He wrote about the political circus with an ironic detachment, but now he's being fired out of a cannon.

[@rosemaryalles6043]

Matt is a good faith guy. One of the best. 💚

[@terrioestreich4007]

It makes my day so much better when I get to sit in on a great conversation

[@bobbysusenbach9687]

Wolfe and Thomson, two of my favorites. Great discussion as usual. Thank you for sharing.

[@quitefranklysamanthatheres1018]

As an English major boy do I love ❤️ when two smart people talk books and writers

[@SeamusMcFitz-jz9if]

Perfect! I'll take a Tall Americano 2xcreme and 2xsugar thanks hun.

[@solomonsalsberg5961]

I haven't felt so dumb since I was at a holiday family dinner. Thank you for reminding me how I have no scholastic ability and why I'm a great chef and entrepreneur ..🎉

[@anairenemartinez165]

You know your talent and proud of it.

[@solomonsalsberg5961]

@@anairenemartinez165 thank you Ana. To Proud is the beginning of a fall... I do my best, I have spent many decades perfecting a craft and what my final calling should be which is intertwined with my knowledge and experience and my new found interest in how food helps the individuals body. I've studied to the best of my ability and have freely shared info with a smile. But I'm not able to pay bills so I am going back to my passion and using better quality ingredients in combo an measure to make the best desserts treats, snacks and true health bars... Iv always spread the wealth but after greedy investors bankrupt me and ended up homeless. It has been a long climb just to break even and surround self with quality people and at least 3 want to invest in me. I still struggle in the middle of no where in a culinary waste land of fast foods an Starbucks in the mountains where a bicycle for transportation makes it very difficult for me to get back on top.. I will never give up and I will not fail...

[@PhillipPilkingtonPhotographer]

I didn't know Billy Zane was a journalist, good to know he is still working.

[@karenbunning1105]

Haha. I kept wondering why he looked so familiar.

[@sunshinehoward9649]

Exactly Matt! you and Schellingberger (spelled it wrong) Biggest Truth tellers I have ever heard. and knowing their background makes their words even more important.

[@danboyd6180]

Oh man who do I thank for the two of you coming together and me finding it today?!?!?! “In a Zoolander voice” God?

[@mmburgess11]

The Great Algorithm.

[@jonathanswink2682]

Fantastic interview....I didn't know about Matt's background. When someone has a lot of life experience from all over interacting with people from all over....tend to have a great perspective on the world around them. Really enjoyable listen

[@Tawanda628]

@Jordan B Peterson, my Socrates. Lots of love and support from Africa.

[@gnoelalexmay]

Great love and respect for Matt. A true hero of our times. Thank you, Jordan.

[@Somegirl51]

Great conversation, Gentlemen. And I watched Walter K. every evening with my family.😊

[@mthabitX]

"You know a state is corrupt when you can't even bribe it"😂 So true

[@Brehvon]

Indeed. The power hungry will bleed money for control.

[@wheel-man5319]

​@@BrehvonThe person who can't be bribed is either extremely ethical or a committed ideologue. A committed ideologue is capable of extreme evil.

[@Brehvon]

@@wheel-man5319 Full agree. Much more accurately stated.

[@Wildwood975]

I absolutely love both of these Gentlemen. I thought briefly about comparing the word count of the interviewer and the interviewed. Then I thought, “what the hell, man!” Regardless of which of these men is talking doesn’t matter, it is pure gold!

[@rockn6423]

I gotta say that Jordan is one of the best interviewers I’ve ever seen. He knows enough about the subject to ask the right questions, and then add his own informed insight. Makes for a very fulfilling experience.

[@CoralReeves]

Really appreciate Matt's allegiance with truth to the best of his ability. Great interview JP!

[@MasterJTLS]

Been waiting for this interview Dr. Peterson talking to Matt; this guy actually has journalist integrity and isn't nobody's puppet.

[@bobbynix5571]

I really like the fact that I can’t tell whether Matt leans left or right. Refreshing!

[@keahilumho8914]

Great job all around!!!! We need more open and truthful ppl like these 2!!

[@duanelinstrom4292]

Jordan Peterson gets to the heart of Mr. Taibbi’s motives, particularly with regard to Taibbi’s attitude toward Trump. Being a despised peon myself, I perceived Trump as a genuine reformer, who showed his true self by being the only US president in history to lose money while POTUS.

[@kevintse2870]

Get real

[@heatherbeth4249]

@@kevintse2870that is REAL and your comment is so typical from you people…the brainwashed and very ignorant voter. CNN and MSNBC have done their evil deeds of starving you by OMISSION of FACTS and PURE LIES. So very sad.

[@wheel-man5319]

​@@kevintse2870don't live in an alternative universe.

[@Dementia.Pugilistica]

Trump proved how easy it was to con a desperate American people. It's truly embarrassing that you think he made no money just because he didn't claim a salary.

[@jpguthrie6669]

The "Stop and frisk" policy was interesting, the idea that fighting minor crimes leads to a reduction in serious crimes is more than an idea, it is a simple fact. Years ago I moved to Japan, where police don't need probable cause to stop and search anyone. Racial profiling is legal in Japan, and aggressively practiced. Since even minor crimes in Japan are severely punished (and Japan does not release or allow to bail out people who have been charged with an offense while they await trial), crime of all kinds is rare. The effect of racial profiling is that non-Japanese commit even fewer crimes than native Japanese, as non-Japanese are stopped more often than the locals, and the consequences of their breaking the law are heavier.

[@kevintse2870]

They also have extreme gun control laws and an extremely capable police force that does their job with barely ever killing anyone.

[@jpguthrie6669]

@@kevintse2870 Hundreds of thousands of Japanese own guns. Getting a gun license is about as hard as getting a drivers license. Japanese police rarely have to kill anyone because so few people break the law. And with all people carefully tracked, and no illegal immigration, you might run, but you certainly can't hide. And as most Japanese come from two-parent households who teach their kids how to behave, and go to schools which teach knowledge and not social activism, when confronted by the police, they do what they were taught by their families and schools, to obey and respect parental and lawful authority. If people were born responsible and respectful of one another and each other's property, we wouldn't need police or a system of laws to protect society. But since people are born wild, and some are raised wild, we need a system to protect the responsible from the irresponsible, and that comes in the form of a criminal justice system. When there are no consequences for irresponsible behavior, everyone will, necessarily, become irresponsible, and chaos ensues. We don't have to look very far to see this.

[@jackdeniston59]

Yeah, we now have anti racial profiling. Particular races exempt from consequence.

[@anomietoponymie2140]

I've never heard that before and don't know if it's true. If it is, it's interesting to consider.

[@Dementia.Pugilistica]

Sounds like you allow the police to commit the crimes so that the citizens don't.

[@jyllhyll]

Just phenomenal! I laughed so much in the beginning, cocked my head to help my brain pro the intellectual back and forth ( proud I actually understood!) and nodded throughout. Bravo!

[@michalklein5219]

That is an impressive stack of firewood Dr. My family and I are new to Northern Idaho, we are political refugees from the Portland Oregon area. Thank you for a very interesting interview!

[@gspolima]

4:05 Jordan asking that question with a straight face is priceless!

[@colinchappell4973]

Love Matt, Jordan improving. Thanks for this great piece.

[@eole123456789]

Thanks Matt for inviting Dr Peterson and letting him speak.

[@taraleemoore5199]

That housing collapse was not fair to those who bought in in the early 2000s and paid interest and principle payments for 8,9,10 years only to find the job losses,and the wage losses dragged them kicking and screaming into foreclosure when they did have the portfolio to accommodate such double payments,only then to offer relief 3 years too late to save a home they already have no chance in hell of retaining. That is exactly what happened to my wife and I and we have been saving and renting ever since 2010 only after sacrificing an 11k 401k trying to stay in our home. Great discussion Jordan. Matt is very accomplished and honest a breath of uncontaminated air. We love your journey towards honesty and forthrightness

[@dehidaiaperez3680]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH BOTH OF YOU EXCELLENT CONVERSATION

[@debcamp2359]

❤ both of you! Integrity and loyalty in finding the truth!

[@gsftom]

I REALLY enjoyed listening to u guys talk. Thanks Jordan for the excellent interview questions and yr own input and Matt for all of yr very well thought out responses. I know much more abt who Matt is bc of this interview. I think that is a great value all by itself. Further got to listen to 2 guys that I respect try to fairly discuss a wide range of important issues in the most fair way that they are capable of. Best conversation that I have listened to in recent memory. Thanks to both for yr time, dedication and integrity. Doesn’t get better than this…

[@autumnleaves2766]

Excellent interview as ever, thanks to Dr Peterson and Matt Taibbi, who has done some fascinating things in his life. I'm impressed with his ability to master the Russian language and read his favourite novels in the original language. I mastered Italian when I lived there for seven years in the past, but Russian must be much harder, not just for the different alphabet, but also the fact that they have about twelve cases I think. We need more journalists of Matt Taibbi's quality and integrity.

[@kevindvorak742]

This was overdue. Taibbi has been right over the target since before the Twitter files.

[@vincentsmith8328]

Jordan and Stephen Fry absolutely nailed the monk debate and so did Matt and Douglas Murray!! Stupid and myopic left lost both times biiigggly! 😁

[@vincentsmith8328]

Seems like Jordan is the go to guy to sit down and speak to or debate with on many subjects now! Goodbye mainstream media/tv...it was nice (not) knowing you!

[@vincentsmith8328]

@@AFringedGentian 😂 About as accurate as you could have possibly been with that summation!👍

[@vincentsmith8328]

@@AFringedGentian And Michael Eric Dyson has been surrounded by Mean Old White Men ever since, no doubt!😂

[@Government-EconomicsTeacher]

I don't always agree with Taibi on every subject but he is one of the FEW true journalists around and I have immense respect for him. We need more journalists like him and each mainstream outlet should have a Taibi on their staff.

[@tinareaume7484]

Matt is a very important journalist for our times. I hope to see more of his thoughts on RFK Jr.'s candidacy now that he's become what we feel is our savior in the U.S.