Trump TAKES ON Rogan About EVs and Climate Change - DEBUNK

[@fullychargedshow]

Well done Ben, fighting the ignorance and deliberate lies around EVs and renewable energy. It's a long, miserable battle and I'm full of admiration for your undaunting efforts.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Thanks guys! 💪

[@Epacman17]

Other "revolutions" like digital cameras or smart phones didn't need to be defended year after year for some reason. Maybe because they where obvious improvements.

[@fullychargedshow]

@@Epacman17 An almost clever argument. However, digital cameras or smart phones did not challenge the biggest, richest and most politically powerful industry the human race has ever created. If digital cameras and smart phones had resulted in a dramatic drop in sales of diesel and petrol/gasoline, the torrent of negative news about digital cameras or smart phones would have been terrifying. Nice try though.

[@welfiblablabla]

Can we also talk about how anti-ev people care about mining rare minerals but neglect the damage that oil rigging and fracking causes

[@tbl268]

No one is denying the damage.

[@FordEnthusiast413]

@@welfiblablabla get your facts straight fracking and oil rigging is now done in a way that does NOT damage the environment.

[@steveknight878]

Or that cobalt, for instance, is used in refining oil. And it is not (and cannot be, AFAIK) recycled, unlike the cobalt in batteries.

[@Noifnobutsirftakatak]

@@FordEnthusiast413 yes, it actually reduced the carbon in the air…. Just like the new ICE motors, which clean the air as they go humming along the highways :) and the faster you go the cleaner you make the planet! Win-win! 🙌🏻

[@benjaminnead8557]

@@FordEnthusiast413 Which alternate reality are you living in?

[@artistsinmotion3118]

Lets take a moment to applaud Ben Sullins - as an EV owner, the myths, lies, conspiracies that are sent my way mocking my choice is just ridiculous. We needed a channel like this to debunk all of this, without offending anyone, by stating the fact, backing it up by proof points.

[@EdV22]

👏

[@GWAForUTBE]

@@artistsinmotion3118 Great work Ben. Many of these gashuffers can be obnoxiously rude, and its si easy to be rude back. Less productive. Ben you have a wonderfully objective attitude and well supported facts . Keep it up man.

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

Yup, Ben has found his true purpose in life, shining a light on all the murky EV FUD out there! Well done Ben Sullins, keep up the great work!

[@robertgreen9614]

I reckon Ben would be nervous dropping the soap in the shower around some of the commentators on here. The man love is bordering on nauseous.

[@richardburnett6781]

@robertgreen9614 sounds like you didn't experience enough love growing up or maybe it was abuse masquerading as love.

[@keithfranklin214]

I wonder how the vibrations from the worlds 3,500 oil tankers constantly travelling over the ocean mess with the Whales?

[@representin614]

30% of all seafaring cargo is fossil fuels and boat strikes kill a lot of whales.

[@bknesheim]

2023`s number of oil tankers is 12 309 not 3 500.

[@ronwilson8759]

You forgot the millions of tons of air pollution with the CO2, that is belched out by your oil tankers serving you.

[@catbert7]

Not nearly as much as them impacting the whales with their hulls, it would seem.

[@richardlinares6314]

@@ronwilson8759 *"belched out by your oil tankers serving you."* Wow, you really think you said something there. Funny you get so mad about people advocating for transitioning to cleaner tech. If you were born a few decades ago you'd be attacking people for being unappreciative of lead paint, leaded gasoline, asbestos insulation, CFCs

[@jjackson3240]

In the United States, between 89 million and 340 million birds are killed by vehicles each year. Guess we have to quit driving cars now.

[@JSM-bb80u]

We should also promote public transportation with EVs. Electric buses, E-bikes, highspeed trains etc...

[@orionbetelgeuse1937]

@@JSM-bb80u why?

[@JSM-bb80u]

@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Good for environment. Less CO2 emission.

[@JSM-bb80u]

@@orionbetelgeuse1937 what is your question? Can you elaborate please?

[@orionbetelgeuse1937]

@@JSM-bb80u that confirms my hypothesis

[@richardcoughlin8931]

I own both an EV and PHEV. Each has their pros and cons but I never want to go back to an ICE only car. Watching Rogan and Trump prattle on about EVs makes me lose brain cells.

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Joe Rogan's politics mirror whatever guest he has. He used to follow some sort of principles, but now he's just an empty shell.

[@cmdrstevemcmaru7417]

This is two people knowing nothing about EVs talking about EVs... this would be funny to watch if there wasn't that one of those persons running for the presidency of the USA.

[@FordEnthusiast413]

You had none already so…

[@FordEnthusiast413]

@@cmdrstevemcmaru7417and you are a road scholar about EVs? Please do not make us all laugh.

[@Noifnobutsirftakatak]

@@richardcoughlin8931 Rogan and Trump have the same source behind all this knowledge and intelligence…. “Trust me bro” lol

[@makierie]

How about the oil spilled in the ocean? How much was the impact on the environment?

[@Alsacien]

And the methane that leaks from abandoned wells all over the world.

[@truebrit3670]

Typically about $9B but that's just clean up, not counting loss to wildlife, ecosystems, economy (income, jobs) and amenities. Conversely, the loss of Donald Trump to the USA would be a considerably more prosperous and safe future.

[@misterg4059]

MAGA don’t like facts 😅

[@gregorymalchuk272]

@@makierie About 1 million tons from natural petroleum seeps.

[@TimDoherty1001]

The original article wasn't about whales being impacted by windmills, it was complaints in the country of Wales from living too close to windmill farms. Donald Trump doesn't know the difference.

[@Splotbang]

@@TimDoherty1001 Listen again. He didn't say they were complaining about dead whales. Just that it happened. I'm not saying he doesn't lie. Only saying he did not say that the residents were opposed to wind turbines because they were killing whales.

[@henvan8737]

Here in Australia the move to renewable energy is quite advanced. Everyone I know that has an EV charges using renewable energy and so has no impact on the grid generated energy source.

[@kritasto2813]

Out of curiosity, has Trump ever been caught telling truth, atleast once?

[@doittoit00]

Sure he has, many times. But the truth doesn’t get internet clicks.

[@Jcewazhere]

In the 2016 debates he mentioned he was one of those billionaires bribing, I mean 'donating' to politicians on both sides. I believe that. Getting into the white house was just a way to cut out the middlemen.

[@RicksPoker]

He promised his base to get rid of Roe V. Wade, and he promised the rich to cut their taxes and taxes on big companies. He is promising to enact racist policies, and flush the constitution. I believe him on those statements.

[@michaelmehrer2177]

​@@doittoit00Annnddd...no example.

[@swordedaffair]

@@doittoit00 It's just that Trump's truth to lies percentage is just so low, compared to anyone else I've ever met (or know of - I haven't actually met Trump).

[@mosbys7062]

Does anyone really think Trump cares about birds?

[@ryan6391]

Larry Bird.

[@omiffthelost1289]

Or is Mr. Trump concerned about the birds that die flying into his tall buildings?

[@Noifnobutsirftakatak]

@@mosbys7062 maybe slightly more than he cares about Eric tbf 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@swordedaffair]

"...Trump cares about birds?" No, it's just a talking point that he thinks is useful.

[@Former_Pilot]

He doesn't have any room to care for anything but staying out of jail. That's why he's running for president.

[@poporbit2432]

propellers on commercial shipping makes more noise than any wind farm

[@boudewijngroen5318]

Cavitation, air bubbles from the screw

[@DiveSafariNZ]

Yep and a lot of injurys are from the propeller itself.

[@ronwilson8759]

Yes its the noise with the very high intensity as well.

[@bongo7734]

A science communication KZbinr called potholer54 did a great job on this topic about 8 months ago for anyone interested in learning more. Included some great references (including the NOAA paper Ben cites here).

[@jonathonalsop2120]

I'm part of a Bird Friendly Cities team in Ontario Canada. My reply to the wind turbine comment would have been "How many birds die from hitting your buildings? Trump Tower looks like a death trap." Almost as bad as cats, window collisions also kill birds by the billions every year.

[@Porrohman19]

Indeed. The American Bird Conservancy (ABC) also cites 2014 figures from Smithsonian researchers that “collisions [with building windows] likely kill between 365 million and 1 billion birds annually in the United States. The ABC believe the figure is much higher now due to the increased use of glass in newly constructed office buildings.

[@chrisconklin2981]

In watching what I call denial channels, I make data based comments. On one occasion a commenter tried to justify fossil fuels as more efficient by comparing the total process of electrical generation. My response was to compare the total resources needed. For fossil fuels I listed mining/drilling, transportation, refining and burning of fossil fuels. This included a loss of two thirds of the energy as waste heat. Renewables like wind and solar, are collected and distributed as electricity by wire directly to the user. Bottom line, my comment was erased. This seems to happen a lot.

[@ziploc2000]

It's really easy to generate electricity by a variety of methods, many of them totally clean at the point of generation. Not so with fossil fuels. You can't generate your own, and they're really dirty throughout the chain of production and use. Hell, I could charge my car with a generator powered by a bicycle. It'd take a while, but it can be done.

[@That-Guy_]

Happens to me also. I have word docs of data that I could copy to comments but YT deletes them.

[@Richard482]

Did you get through to him/her?

[@GeeDeeBird]

Yeah, but you've got to mine the copper, make the wire, build the towers... OTOH those wires are also used by refineries and gas stations... Bottom line: Nothing is free. But the total for EVs is an order of magnitude smaller.

[@sjsomething4936]

KZbin has been deleting comments, even ones that are very fact-based and don’t have even a hint of political bias in them in recent months. It’s pretty disappointing and frustrating, to the point that I rarely try to make a comment any longer. If I were a conspiracy theorist I might suggest that it’s simply cheaper to delete entire swathes of comments than have a reviewer carefully parse the content to determine if the comment should be stricken or not.

[@ryanevans2655]

Aren’t most people setting their EV to start charging at 11pm to take advantage of lower nighttime rates anyway? And there’s a zero % chance Trump has ever stood under a windmill. (I have several times, no dead birds. Weird!)

[@Cakebattered]

Not all Energy companies have Peak/Off-peak pricing. National Grid/Rhode Island Energy doesn't.

[@ryanevans2655]

@@CakebatteredI see. In my state it’s optional. I imagine more places will implement timed rates if their grid starts to be strained in the evenings.

[@brendykes1202]

The question on the bird kills would be: Are the kinds of birds killed more endangered than those killed by cats? I’m guessing cats don’t get very many raptors.

[@swordedaffair]

@@brendykes1202 Skyscrapers probably do kill a fair number of raptors, though. Trump isn't against skyscrapers. The bottom line is that large-scale electric generation using wind turbines is still in its infancy. There are some problems to be solved or managed - bird strikes, noise, recycling components at end of life are among them. As we implement these various means of electric generation, the science will continue, and the technology will improve.

[@brendykes1202]

@ the impression I have is that solar, nuclear & hydro are better. Particularly house scale. If every house/neighborhood generates its own power, there is no need for large scale projects and no additional land required. There’s even a breakthrough tech that pulls small amounts of electricity from the air, but can be scaled up. Supposedly a refrigerator sized unit could power a house. If it’s legit, that could solve all domestic use.

[@JSM-bb80u]

What about vibrations from offshore oil wells? Ships?

[@goldenlion3184]

And what about cats? I hear they drive whales crazy, too.

[@Yanquetino]

I am as fed up with these fossil foolish lies as I am with the LIARS. And today you included the biggest liar we've ever heard.

[@gledatelj1979]

Trump is big and living big in your small head.

[@Xetairex]

@@gledatelj1979He has small hands and small you know what. He compensates by talking big, and loud. You confuse that with real masculinity. Simple as that.

[@FordEnthusiast413]

And I am fed up people like you that make untrue statements.

[@Noifnobutsirftakatak]

@@gledatelj1979 “Trump is big…” why are you fat shaming the poor old dude? :/ please don’t be rude even if you might not like his stand up performances (aka Trump rallies)

[@gledatelj1979]

@@Noifnobutsirftakatak He is fat but so is most of the rest of the people. Everyone should look in the mirror first and take their own picture.

[@normang3668]

Rogan and Trump: Two influential people whose opinions on absolutely ANYTHING should be totally disregarded.

[@Gunter_Custom]

Like your opinion .. 😂

[@catbert7]

Any rational person would come to this conclusion, based on the evidence. *glances at voting tallies* Humanity is doomed.

[@davidbeppler3032]

​@@Gunter_Customno, no. He has a point.

[@dougc70]

Thoroughly enjoyed your well researched analysis plus the excellent discussion in the comments!!!

[@benjaminnead8557]

I own an EV (9 years now) that I charge off the solar PV on my house roof. My healthy, happy 5 year old cat is indoors-only and has never killed a wild bird.

[@rp9674]

Nice!

[@ttkddry]

You charge your car during the day or do you have net metering?

[@benjaminnead8557]

@@ttkddry Both. Although I also plug in at night, as needed, I try to schedule most of my charging when the Sun is shining. I also have a "portable" solar PV/battery system that I can use to trickle charge if the grid ever goes down.

[@tveggemeyer8103]

Yes, but cat food has a larger carbon footprint than wild birds do. Just saying, 2.4 billion birds is a lot of saved cat food and CO2. We need some analytics from Ben on this. 🤓

[@rp9674]

Birds may be sequestering carbon in their poop, or maybe there should be a first come first served policy on our limited resources

[@chrisspanswick7312]

I understand the loss of birds due to tall buildings is significantly more also. Secondly the noise from propellers of ships must produce far more noise pollution for whales than wind turbines.

[@gledatelj1979]

Wind farms are total eye sores especially when they are on a hill. They just look dangerous even when they are not, It totally kills the view.

[@That-Guy_]

​@@gledatelj1979 I think they look cool. I enjoy seeing them while driving through west Texas.

[@gledatelj1979]

@@That-Guy_ They look awful and menacing. It's more that they are centrally planned and thus they look like a trap and something that is imposed. I am just feeling cringe that government prevent people from building a deck or another floor but they can just put a giant sea of windmills that pierce eyes and more .

[@michaelmehrer2177]

Yes, the glass in buildings takes the highest toll of birds. Buildings like Trump Tower and his bed-bug resort, Mar a Loco.

[@ronwilson8759]

@@michaelmehrer2177 Mar-a-Lago is not the danger, it's the BIG bed bug spewing out lies.

[@StrangeKvol]

Thank you for making these videos, pointing out the correct details!

[@LightsOnMultiMediaMindArts]

Another thought regarding birds killed by windmills. How many dogs, cats, foxes, deer, rabbits, gophers, other car drivers, pedestrians and bicyclists are killed by cars each year? Road kill. Do we ban cars? As an avid e-biker I'm willing to entertain that idea.

[@maxpelletier2237]

I also remember reading somewhere that if you paint 1 wing of the wind mill black, the patern it creates makes them seen better by birds, like 75% less deaths. Kinda like the streak on the jeep in Jurassic Park. Sometimes, the problem has a simple solution.

[@tbl268]

@@LightsOnMultiMediaMindArts So you want to add to the bloodshed?

[@bossman6174]

I like the idea but I live in the country and I could not go anywhere without my EV. Besides the winters up here in N Ontario Canada are really cold. I would not even attempt driving my bicycle in or after a snowstorm.

[@swordedaffair]

@@tbl268 Where did he say he wants "to add to the bloodshed?"

[@JSM-bb80u]

@@bossman6174 Public transportation and cycling (including E-bike) for urban dwellers. And EVs for rural people.

[@danb821]

Ben, you need to get on the Joe Rogan podcast! It’s so frustrating the amount of misinformation being spread about EVs to millions of people on just one podcast.

[@rp9674]

Waste of time

[@Mulderfactoring]

Well, think about how much misinformation must be on Joe Rogan's podcast. They're getting this wrong, think of how much more they're getting wrong. And it's the number one podcast... Freaking hilarious!.

[@rp9674]

Bros don't want to be smart

[@rtmpgt]

Joe Rogan owns a Tesla Model S and a CT iirc… pretty sure he’d be keen

[@rakaichi]

I dont understand people hating on EVs. Its not just regular hate. Its like wicked hate.

[@dathyr1]

Great comment, I agree. I own an EV and really enjoy the technology. But there are some violent people that will go out of their way and purposely damage any parked Electric vehicles they see by damaging the sides of the vehicles with some object. There are You Tube videos on this behavior. Disgusting.

[@dbmn7571]

No. What they hate is the people and policies enforced by the increasingly tyrannical governments. This civilization, in its current form with the people living very well compared to the last 5,000 years was built with carbon and nuclear fuels. Yet the against carbon fuels crowd are living very well from the use of carbon/nuclear fuels. The crowd degrades both the fuel use and those who don't embrace their carbon-free ideology. Building of green technology including wind/solar/battery wouldn't even happen without fossil/nuclear fuels. It took 5000+ years of human existence for the population to reach 1 billion in 1800. Another 125 years to reach 2 billion and another 100 years to hit 8 billion. Without the fossil/nuclear fuels it never could have occurred. If the technologies are profitable in the free market let them stand on their own. If not let them die for another day. The earth is not going to burn up or overheat to kill the human race or anything near that. I remember when global cooling was predicted by the "scientists" and global elites. And the last 30 years it's been global warning. And none of the predictions came to fruition. When a scientist can predict the weather 1 day or a week out with 99% certainty, I might listen. Until then don't waste your energy or my tax dollars prophesizing what might happen.

[@philipbrown9006]

The wicked hate is not for the EVs themselves. It is for he fact that the government are trying to force these on people whether they like it or not. This is the the thin end of the wedge for the destruction of democracy. If you want to see where this could lead to download THE FUTURE OF URBAN COMSUMPTION IN A 1.5°C WORLD. The EV lovers don't understand this. Perhaps they never will.

[@philipbrown9006]

The wicked hate is not for the EVs themselves. It is for the fact that the government are trying to force these on people whether they like it or not. If you want to see what the ultimate aim is download THE FUTURE OF URBAN COMSUMPTION IN A 1.5°C WORLD. The reason you don't understand the hatred for EVs is because you don't want to.

[@philipbrown9006]

I have tried to explain the wicked hate but my comment has been deleted twice. It is a pity that KZbin don't appreciate the value of the first amendment, as this is the cornerstone for a working democracy.

[@tonykelpie]

Does anyone expect to hear anything but garbage from these two people?

[@zachlistofficial]

Yeah. Basically everything

[@christopherhamilton5557]

Wait Ben is alright… and why you hate Rogan?

[@shacktime]

It’s been said that Trump is a poor man’s idea of a rich man. I’d add that Rogan is a moron’s idea of a genius.

[@catbert7]

@@shacktime Accurate.

[@shacktime]

@@catbert7 Sadly. We may very well be headed for another Dark Ages. We’re definitely seeing another iteration of the anti-intellectualism that caused the collapse of the Babylonian empire.

[@dcochran12]

When I hear the bird argument, I like to respond with a direct comparison. Studies show that fossil fuel (extraction, processing & consumption) kills 25 - 50 times the number of birds annually /GWh. Then I praise them for their concern (albeit new-found) for wildlife.

[@sjsomething4936]

Yes, the tailings ponds in the tar sands areas of Saskatchewan and Alberta are easily big enough to see from space, they are enormous and migrating birds will die if they land in them.

[@5353Jumper]

​@sjsomething4936 there is actually a job employing hundreds of people to scare birds away from oil sand project tailing ponds to reduce the number of dead birds surrounding them (and the PR backlash that causes)

[@MattBuild4]

Are you performing a 1:1 comparison though? Typically the datasets for solar and wind are just in the generation of energy not the extraction, processing, manufacturing of the resources. Wind turbines are higher for deaths upon generation, but even though we should continue to develop solar, there are REAL environmental hazards with solar manufacturing that id argue people are really ignorant of. Unless its changed in the last 4 years, the EPA to my knowledge still has zero specific regulatory capacity over solar manufacturing and the production of silicon tetrachloride, dichlorisilane, sulfur hexafluoride as well as GHG chlorofluorocarbons typcially defined under E-waste. As a result this is handled at the state level, of which only 1 state even has reporting of chemical wastes of this nature. Why isnt this talked about or known? Because it requires a understanding of how solar panels are actually manufactured. These are synthetic materias that do not occur naturally in nature to meet the needs of society. Now does this mean that their risk is greater than that of fossil fuels? No absolutely not. But it is dangerous to give industries a clear path on the belief that they are green when in reaity that is 100% a PR claim not supported by science.

[@dcochran12]

@@MattBuild4 I was responding to the impact on birds from wind turbines in specific, but if you are going to add the environmental impact of wind and solar equipment manufacturing into the calculation be sure to add the impact from fossil fuel refining equipment into the other side. Nothing is absolutely green, but we should prioritize products and processes that are less harmful to the environment, and demand continuous improvement of those that become dominant (which is happening with wind and solar).

[@sjsomething4936]

@ I definitely agree that the chemicals used in production of solar panels should be regulated, the same as any industry that is using potentially hazardous chemicals, from cradle to grave. That is one of the benefits of solar panels, is that because it is a physical product its entire lifecycle can be controlled, including disposal. If that *is not happening* then it should be, and we should all definitely be writing to our representatives to enact those changes. As you’ve noted, just because the generation method is not polluting doesn’t mean that the manufacturing process is rainbows and unicorns, but thankfully those would be known risks that can be addressed (and should be) if the will is there. I’m in Canada and I see that there are a few (very few it seems) Canadian manufacturers, I’ll send an email about this to the politicians representing my district (called ridings here in Canada) as well as the minister of Industry Canada to see what kinds of regulations we actually have.

[@Hardwaregeekx]

Thank you for pushing back against the FUD.

[@JonNewell]

In Australia, our EV night rate is 8c per KWhr, that’s US 5c

[@deanbortz7747]

I really like these episodes of you setting the record straight. I always look forward to your next one. Thank you!

[@joewhip9303]

I can put up solar panels and charge my car. Do that with an ICE vehicle.

[@tbl268]

I can fill my tank to 100% in 5 min from 0%. Do that with an EV

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

@@tbl268 lmao this will change faster but please answer OP question refuel at home LOL

[@tbl268]

@heribertosarmiento1265 I don't need to, I can fuel up in 5 min and lasts a week. Doesn't damage the tank to fill to 100% either.

[@Vanea-s7i]

@@tbl268 can you do it at home for free?

[@tbl268]

@heribertosarmiento1265 Doesn't work too great at night or in the winter.

[@Wibb14]

Ben, Ben, Ben, we're talking about alternative facts here.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

😭😭😴

[@chrisskinner6483]

How are people still taking T'Dump seriously?

[@leweezo33]

He is Bigly smart

[@nadjafelton1894]

My question exactly. Why is Musk taking him seriously is an even greater mystery to me

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@nadjafelton1894 Trump is good for billionaires.

[@sjsomething4936]

@@nadjafelton1894 Musk is driven purely by a few motives from what I can tell: greed and personal ambition, his alliance with trump is very transactional in this aspect. He’d potentially get a position that allows him to oversee his own businesses, which of course isn’t a conflict of interest whatsoever. He is also for unknown reasons very hurt by his own child coming out as transgender. I say unknown reasons, because I don’t believe he’s articulated _why_ he feels transgenderism is wrong or bad, he just is opposed to it. So in terms of social mores he also finds himself aligned with the MAGA movement which seems to be pretty much anti-everything. I suspect this is also why he feels Putin is a kindred spirit, because Poo-tin is very much anti-LGBTQ and apparently Musk has had several conversations with him. Never mind the fact that Putin is a murderer, despises the USA, democracy in general and is being investigated for war crimes by the Hague.

[@SolarTechFL]

😅😂😂how on earth could you take kamala seriously lol

[@scottmuench6855]

So glad that you included the cost of mining and refining fossil fuels. That is a major factor that is always glossed over in calculations!

[@flipminerchino370]

All the ev haters I know are always some wannabe macho tough guy attitude saying “ I’ll never buy a electric car”

[@shahbazfawbush]

Yay for the truth!

[@dkras]

That Rogan interview hurt my brain. How does anyone take those two seriously

[@zbynekII]

Facts tend to hurt brains. : )

[@Former_Pilot]

I didn't listen to it because I knew beforehand that it would hurt my brain.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

If you worship Trump, every word from him is gospel truth, and contrary facts are covering up the real Truth.

[@SandViper94Gaming]

@@zbynekII Give me a single fact from that episode. I'll wait...

[@rogergagne3970]

@@zbynekII ignorance and stupidity hurt brains... not true facts. Note that I said "true facts" because a fact is any statement that can be proven to be true or false.

[@1diggers1]

YES. Finally someone bringing up the unspoken energy cost of gas production.

[@CrypticFoxGaming]

I think the fuss over the windmills is certainly a bit overblown, but I think it's the scale of the numbers people struggle with. There were roughly ~71 thousand windmills in the US (as of 2022) vs 100 million cats. So on a per capita basis the numbers don't seem as crazy. At the high end of 1 million birds killed by windmills each year in the US, so at the high end like 14 birds per year, where the cats kill rouhly 24 per year each. Telling someone the average windmill would kill as many as 14 birds per year isn't very impactful though so they talk about the big numbers. Soemthing like 1 billion birds die per year flying into glass windows, but Trump as a real estate developer isn't suggesting they stop making buildings.

[@jerryblackbird8149]

@@CrypticFoxGaming I agree with the argument when talking about plain numbers. But we need to be careful since windmills kill different species of birds than cats do, for example windmills also kill eagles while cats don't. So they have different impact on wildlife.

[@CrypticFoxGaming]

@ that’s fair. There’s certainly something to be said for where they’re built as well

[@justdigit]

Joe Rogan should invite you for a talk to get some facts for himself and for Trump and all the people.

[@rp9674]

Joe Rogan doesn't know what to do with facts

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

I’d love that

[@jacobuserasmus4441]

The whale stuff was good. I really thought the vibration thing plausible but did not investigate it further. Thx for doing the leg work.

[@chrislaidlaw3308]

Very informative Ben! Thanks for all of your hard work! Chris

[@JSM-bb80u]

6:02 a gasoline car is only 15-25% efficient. A coal powerplant is 35-37% efficient. A natural is powerplant is whooping 64% efficient. Natural gas is the main fossil fuel used to generate electricity in USA. Edit:- Modern coal powerplants are 45-49% efficient

[@GROGU123]

Prius engine can run the cams in an atkinson cycle. It has a 41% combustion thermal efficiency. So it’s better than a coal plant. But who drives a Prius?

[@JSM-bb80u]

@@GROGU123 Prius is a hybrid though Isn't it? Or is it diesel?

[@GROGU123]

@@JSM-bb80u It's a regular gasoline engine, which has the ability to run a modified combustion atkinson cycle. Which makes it very efficient.

[@JSM-bb80u]

@@GROGU123 "Pingshan Phase II, a cutting-edge 1.35-GW ultrasupercritical coal-fired unit, achieves a remarkable net efficiency of 49.37%-making it the world’s most efficient coal-fired power plant. The state-of-the-art plant, which commenced operations in April 2022, utilizes mature 600C materials and equipment, showcasing the transformative potential of innovation in the realm of coal power"

[@JSM-bb80u]

@@GROGU123 Modern coal powerplants can achieve efficiencies from 45-50%.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

A necropsy determined that the cause of death for the Humpback whale that washed up on Lido Beach was multiple blunt force dramas consistent with a vessel strike, including multiple skull fractures. While vessel strikes and entanglements in fishing gear are known leading causes of whale deaths, little is done to mitigate these factors. However, even without any proven causal link with offshore energy development or generation, groups that are demonstrably against offshore wind endlessly repeat the falsehood that wind turbines and/or their construction results in whale deaths. As Ralph Landgrebe famously said, "Don't confuse me with facts. My mind's made up."

[@nathansuss]

Trump has got to talk with Elon more about this ev and grid crap talking points

[@Alsacien]

Musk will just agree with him, even if he knows that it's a lie. Both are rotten people.

[@tbl268]

@nathansuss It's a legitimate concern and a huge problem that hasn't been solved.

[@rp9674]

Don't forget to flush

[@Hardwaregeekx]

It still boggles my mind that Musk is supporting Trump. I have some idea why. Trump doesn't really care about policy. He only really cares about loyalty. Nevertheless, it is so counter intuitive.

[@yodaiam1000]

@@tbl268 It is kind of funny how the grid providers don't say it is an issue. In fact they say that they can provide the necessary power. It is not exactly a "huge problem". Heat pumps are a bigger issue but they are still not a "huge problem". To cover the demand from both EVs, heat pumps, and population, the grid only has to grow about 2 to 3% each year for 25 years. That is estimated time span for the implementation of EVs and HPs. We have had much higher growth rates in the later half of the 20th century alone. It is not exactly insurmountable especially given modern technology.

[@zaphodbeeblebrox2817]

Thanks for facts Ben. I hope those who "do their own research" actually do some research.

[@rp9674]

I'm sure they're all wearing lab coats studying thick books in computers, like a b-roll shot

[@carlamerritt490]

I think you did a great job. We do need to challenge dis, or misinformation always. But do it respectfully.

[@bossman6174]

Excellent rebuttal. I encourage everybody to copy and paste this link in the comment section of any website spreading this kind of misinformation. Ben is doing a great job debunking this garbage.

[@smarzig]

He wants us on fossil fuel until we die

[@rp9674]

Until he dies, he doesn't care what happens to anyone or anything after that

[@Hotspur37]

You dont expect the do your own research crowd to actually do their own research do you. THey consider listing to people like Rogan solid research

[@hailelon8249]

Various species of whales have been endangered for decades, some coming close to extinction. The first time Trump ever breathed a word of concern about whales in his life was when the opportunity to undermine wind turbines arose. Wind energy is cheap and therefore a threat to fossil fuel. These are the facts.

[@dJF-oz2qc]

Thank you for starting this debunking series. It had been a big information gap I have struggled with when trying to respond to friends who just accept these moronic lies as facts.

[@biplav32]

I dont get why elon supports this guy

[@undisclosedthai]

I think it is because Elon is a conservative man. Trump too.

[@briansherwood3643]

I also can’t believe that Elon won’t criticize him at all about anything, especially considering how he responded to Bill Gates comments about Semis.

[@benjaminnead8557]

The worlds richest man is more interested in seeing that his taxes won't go up, more so than hurting his electric car business. There's a lot of old school South African Apartheid racism going on with Musk as well. Musk isn't even all that interested in EVs any longer: robots and AI are his newest playthings. If you are in the market for an EV, I would consider anything other than a Tesla. Until the board of directors there can find a way to get rid of him, it's now a toxic brand.

[@lsmeteor4652]

Elon is after the tax cuts that the orange thing is promising.

[@rp9674]

Dumb A hole, smart A hole, at least they have one thing in common

[@joewhip9303]

My God, I have been around the world and have encountered whales. The noise from the sea and the wind is much louder than wind turbines. All the noise from sonar and large ship engines is orders of magnitude worse.

[@tbl268]

Two things can be true at the same time. Just because sonar is bad doesn't mean wind turbines are good. It's a logical fallacy.

[@joewhip9303]

@@tbl268 you do know there are tons of wind turbines around the world. I guess they only kill whales in water off the east coast. But, sure buddy.

[@Hardwaregeekx]

@@tbl268 It is a legitimate concern. But the discussion they had on Joe Rogan's show wasn't honest.

[@tbl268]

@joewhip9303 Certainly worth investigating the negative effects of wind turbines

[@tbl268]

@joewhip9303 They kill birds around the world, of that, there is no doubt.

[@egidiomeola]

Trump is a king of BS

[@travislowe959]

Ben Sullins, as an electrician with knowledge in the field, you are a gold mine of information concerning EVs and the industry as a whole. PLEASE DONT STOP!!!

[@Gunter_Custom]

Electricians are not electrical engineers .. 😂😂

[@emicadic]

Perfect Ben! Extremely well done. I knew Joe was wrong even if I liked him generally and his podcast, he was clearly just repeating stuff he heard here and there and did no research. "Jamie, pull up the..." was not used this time. I did not have data to support my general sense, so seeing your video now came perfectly for me! Great work!

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

It seems like he used to do that more

[@FordEnthusiast413]

@@BenSullinsOfficialits obvious you will say anything to make people who do not drive EVs feel like they hate the planet and the environment and should be punished for the freedom they have to drive whatever vehicle they want!

[@rp9674]

That's pretty much all Rogan does

[@emicadic]

@@rp9674 yeah, I don't look at Rogan for his insights and opinions or data, but he has a very nice way to allow his guests to bring up some interesting things - some of them are just... :) insane.... But it is up to us to discern...

[@rp9674]

I hear you, but it hurts my brain, completely gave up on him, but I'm not amused by fortune tellers or Ghost Hunters either

[@TheDoomWizard]

Living in the insane world.

[@robertmcdonnold3038]

Two of the most unreliable sources for accurate and truthful information.

[@catbert7]

Actually very reliable. Whatever they claim, the opposite is sure to be correct. By taking the inverse position, you will be right 100% of the time.

[@mandy2tomtube]

There’s also a step by how many birds are killed by flying into windows, but I can’t remember what it was but it is in the millions and way more than windmills so we could get rid of all the windows

[@mandy2tomtube]

It took Joe Rogan 20 years to believe we landed on the moon in another 20 years he believe all those other things you were talking about. He is nice but he’s a very slow learner.

[@rp9674]

That's very generous

[@decimal1815]

He's faking of course. For clicks. One day we'll learn how these people didn't believe a word of this crap. In the meantime they are raking in the MAGA-bucks.

[@FutureSystem738]

Nice? He’s an idiot!

[@RC-hn8sj]

Well done Ben!

[@simpromovie]

So funny that the new best friends of Elon are kicking him in the ass all the time with this BS....

[@hailelon8249]

@@simpromovie I think Elon is afraid of the damage Trump might do to him so he is in maximum suck up mode. Probably won’t help with Trump. Also, some Trumpers may buy cybertrucks who knows, although I wouldn’t hold my breath. Elon isn’t stupid so maybe it’s just that he figures on being a trillionaire with his robotics and AI and he doesn’t want the Democrats taxing his ass(ets)

[@gery4870]

Thank you so much Ben for debunk all the EV / transition myths just being objective and respectful. Keep it up !!

[@martingardens]

I know 5 days in advance of a heat wave to charge my BEV before the event. Just like I fill up my diesel car before a storm in anticipation of the grid going down. 🤷‍♀

[@mikegipson1224]

Let's hope Elon Musk puts Trump and his cronies right otherwise his support of Trump is totally wasted...it was stupid supporting him anyway...

[@joewhip9303]

How many birds are killed flying into windows? A lot. They can’t see the glass so Trump, should we get rid of windows?

[@haderlumpi]

@@joewhip9303 And how about cats? Oh wait, they are being eaten anyway. /s

[@silveravnt]

Ideas so good you have to force them on people.

[@buckw65]

Dump the Trump

[@The8BitGuy]

You have to flush twice to dump the Trump.

[@janh-r8h]

Yes, but alternative (Kamala) is even worse.😂

[@buckw65]

@janh-r8h 🤔....no

[@weredrivinghere]

@@janh-r8h for conspiracy theorists feeding on a juicy teet of oil companies, maybe. For people who can see through dump`s lies - no.

[@weredrivinghere]

@@janh-r8h worse than dump? Only for oil companies, and conspiracy theorists who don't want to leave their fictional reality.

[@venerble]

According to MIT, a lie travels six times faster than the truth on social media. That means that the truth has to work six times harder. Thanks for keeping up the fight, Ben.

[@rberg135]

Funny thinking Musk is supporting this guy.

[@undisclosedthai]

I think it is because both Musk and Trump are conservatives.

[@StormyDog]

@@undisclosedthai Musk was a liberal Democrat until Biden attacked all his businesses for 3.5+ years.

[@yodaiam1000]

@@undisclosedthai They are both idiots.

[@michaelmehrer2177]

Musk just wants to de-regulate the regulations. Like Koch Industries and the oil companies.

[@swordedaffair]

@@undisclosedthai Trump isn't a conservative - he's a Trumpian. He is only for or against something based on its perceived advantage or disadvantage to himself or his ego.

[@goldenlion3184]

Ben, as a scientist (and longtime EV owner), this was just great. Steady, just the facts, convincing. Kudos! And thanks!

[@DanBurgaud]

When Trump joins Rogan you get Dumb and Dumber.

[@allanhvidt-nielsen7777]

I can only admire your efforts to prove or disprove statements from various people or outlets. Its really needed!! To many blindly believes almost anything and that's fine in itself, but when decisions are made from incorrect information, we have a problem, specially in politics. Keep up the good work!

[@glenf4115]

San Diego electricity prices are extremely high. It's no wonder why so many people there have solar and home batteries. For comparison our most expensive price per kWh here in BC Canada is 9 cents USD.

[@ziploc2000]

The higher the grid electricity price, the mores economic sense it makes to generate your own, and you can often sell off excess power generated back to the grid.

[@michaelmehrer2177]

We pay $0.12/kWh here in Seattle and the ROI for our rooftop solar was still only 8 years. Cloudy Seattle, and 12 years, no problems.

[@glenf4115]

@@michaelmehrer2177 If CA's $/kWh is 400% more expensive than WA the ROI in CA would be something like 2 years. I think at that point I would oversize my batteries and solar and find a way to put solar on top of the shed, patio, back yard, carport...

[@tripzero0]

Wow. Electricity prices in CA are nuts...😮

[@AlanLamb-p4p]

I just think Trump is out of step with most technology issues. Rogan’s interview couldn’t have come at a better time to expose Trumps weaknesses.

[@lopezb]

Thank you ben For calling them out on their lies and ignorance.

[@tomooo2637]

Whales : It is know that shipping is one of the largest problem for whales due to the propeller effects. Much of this effect as the low frequency resonance that masks the whale song, and whale song has shown to have changed over the last 10's of year to mitigate this shipping effect. I wonder what the largest ships are, oh yes, oil tankers.

[@tbl268]

@tomooo2637 shipping containers are a huge problem too. Transporting batteries and other materials for EVs.

[@tomooo2637]

@@tbl268 You are so sad aren't you. One battery will last about 200,000 miles (usually much more), It would take on average 31 tonnes of petrol to drive this far, and 50% of transported crude oil can be made into petrol, and 25% of the calorific value of crude oil is used to refine and process the crude oil into petrol. So we are up to some 70tonnes of petrol equivalent. Then the battery will have second and third use; and the petrol will be burnt.

[@tbl268]

@tomooo2637 200k isn't alot. My Toyota has twice that. Did you know that gasoline is a waste product left over from refining oil into other things?

[@tomooo2637]

@@tbl268 Then there is the oil change every 3000 miles. No gasoline is NOT a waste product, it the MAIN product from crude oil. That is what USA is run on. There are other products from oil like plastic, tarmac and so on, but those are being phased out too. Then there is that old one about hydrogen that 98% comes from oil , actually from the methane, which takes more energy to produce than the calorific value of the hydrogen. There is nothing in the world that you can say that the oil industry has tried already. i know I am wasting my time with you, but hopefully someone else will read this and find out the facts about the shit show called the oil industry. Did you know the US government subsidies the oil industry with $1Trillion / year(OECD and IMF numbers). Just think of all that money.

[@michaelmehrer2177]

​@@tbl268Good to hear you support Biden's IRA bringing the EV supply chain back home to America. Now about those record crude oil exports.....

[@basrikartal]

After all these years, doesn’t it seem even more ridiculous that only 20 stations have been built, even if they haven’t even used up all the allocated funds?

[@cinnamonsusie2391]

Vote blue America 🇺🇸 💙 Make Accountability Great Again

[@Hardwaregeekx]

I'm all for accountability. But you aren't serious about accountability right? Have you seen the middle east?

[@michaelmehrer2177]

​@@Hardwaregeekx When you can get Netanyahu to quit killing people we can go back to apartheid.

[@sethjarvis2604]

Keep it up, Ben. You’re doing great. Never been better. Thanks.

[@surturiel]

It's fun seeing Trump reverting to EV hate, despite Elmo's newfound love and support...

[@rp9674]

Everyone gets thrown under the gold-plated bus eventually

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

We are so cooked.

[@tlangton]

Joe was right about the California EV mandate of 2035. No new cars to be sold with gas engines. The fact that you could still get a used car doesn't matter. New cars with gas engines won't be sold in California. And about asking people not to charge, most EV owners are alread charging their cars during low demand times to save money on electricity. Obviously, this still isn't enough and the demand is too high for California's grid to handle.

[@Cakebattered]

PG&E is a private company. Their fiduciery duty isn't to create a robust electric grid, but to maximize profits for its shareholders.

[@michaelmehrer2177]

NO ONE WILL WANT YOUR GAS CAR.

[@steveh4534]

If it’s 1 million birds then this is also really low compared to vehicles and even flying into glass windows let alone the toll taken by cats.

[@ren2704]

I wish Elon would focus more on starting the model Y mass production than jumping on stage for Trump....

[@EV3NTH888]

Elon is a degenerate, what do you expect?

[@michaelmehrer2177]

Elon needs to show us how he goes to Mars.

[@jamesphillips2961]

A-freakin-men, brother. Stay in your lane, Elon.

[@2112gothmog]

Thank you for being a source of legitimate information in the face of so much second or third hand deliberate disinformation. You’re doing important work.

[@markshellard]

Go back to Fear Factor Joe. Sheesh.

[@Actually-y7j]

Can't wait for someone sensible back in the White House and deal with this EV Net Zero BS!!

[@alexmckenna1171]

Trump telling lies now? LOL. What a surprise. Another surprise was our fallen god Elon turning into a giggling teenage cheerleader for him .. Very sad. Also illogical in some ways, apart from the tax and regulation avoidance.

[@stevencole7331]

It's a silly comparison of ice compared to evs . I went fishing on a urban river in Virginia. The smell from fumes from the freeway and the boats passing by were sickening in the level of toxicity to my body . Why would you want to breath that as a normal thing to do . Might as well add a pack of cigarettes to that daily breath . Don't we want clean air and water as probably the most important thing for survival

[@robmagee100]

Thanks, Ben. The deluge of misinformation is discouraging as is the lack of the ability to separate claims vs actual evidence by so many, including most of my extended family.

[@FactsAboutTheWorld.]

hes elons best friend

[@Hotspur37]

I am starting to think Elon is playing trump like the useless idiot he is

[@TorIvanBoine]

this is one of the most important channels today 💯

[@Yurek_Vigo]

In my household, all of our cars are electric-my wife drives a Model Y, and I have a Cybertruck. However, I believe it is not the government’s role to dictate which technologies individuals must adopt. Innovation naturally replaces outdated technologies when better alternatives emerge. Both electric and gas-powered vehicles have their advantages and drawbacks. While electric vehicles suit my needs today, that might not be the case tomorrow. Evolution in technology occurs organically; it can’t be forced by mandates. Regarding Trump’s comments about charging stations, while his wording may not be entirely accurate, there is truth in his criticism of how government funds have been allocated. The program’s spending has been inefficient, with construction costs for participating companies far higher than Tesla’s. For example, Tesla’s chargers reportedly cost between $30,000 to $42,000 each, whereas competitors’ chargers can cost anywhere from $100,000 to $250,000. Notably, Tesla was excluded from the program, despite its proven efficiency.

[@plonkster]

To be fair though, governments rarely dictate a specific technology. What they do, is they mandate a certain efficiency. For example, in my country light bulbs that make less than 90 lumens per watt are banned. The government didn't mandate LEDs. They mandated a level of efficiency, and that pushed manufacturers towards LED (and CFL, at the time) lighting. Doing it this way does not preclude future improvements in the technology: If someone can make an incandescent lamp that can do those levels, then incandescent lamps will make a comeback. The same would be true for electric vehicles. Governments are mandating a certain level of emissions by a certain date (and these can be revised as well). Right now there are just two technologies that have any hope of matching those levels, hydrogen and battery electric, which probably makes it feel like the government is mandating EVs directly. But if we get technical about it: They aren't mandating a specific technology, and the things they are mandating are aimed at the manufacturers, not the consumer. At least not directly. How else do you do this? I mean, if we assume for the sake of argument that we are all agreed that something needs to be done about our climate? The vast majority of people I run into, who argue for less government involvement in this space, also tend to deny that there is any urgency involved. The argument is valid even: If there is no urgency involved, then we should let the market and the consumer dictate the pace! But if there is urgency involved, if this affects the Politikos (the people of the city), then government will probably have to set some goals. Which is what we see, right?

[@Yurek_Vigo]

@ Individuals should have the right to choose which type of vehicle suits their lifestyle, whether an electric or a gasoline powered car. I should be free to drive an ICE car if that’s what I prefer. The government has no right to tell me what kind of car to buy or drive. This government policies are an infringement on personal preference. When governments impose bans on new ICE car sales (as some countries plan for 2035 or earlier) or introduce incentives for EVs while penalizing ICE vehicles (through taxes or fees), is a coercion rather than a fair market decision. The market, not the government, should decide which cars succeed. If electric cars are better, let consumers choose them freely. Such policies unfairly manipulate the market and restrict personal choice. EV mandates ignore personal needs and circumstances, such as long-distance driving, rural living, or lack of access to reliable charging infrastructure. Forcing everyone into electric cars assumes we all live in cities and have easy access to chargers. Not everyone’s situation is the same. A rural driver might find an ICE car more practical due to its longer range and quicker refueling, and they may resist mandates they perceive as disconnected from real-world needs. Electric cars often come with connected technology, such as GPS tracking and remote software updates, which can raise privacy concerns. Some individuals might dislike that EVs give governments and corporations more control over individual behavior through data collection or restrictions on vehicle use. Electric cars might be used to track where a person go and how a person drive. What if the government limits when or where a person can use a vehicle in the future? For some individuals there is fear of geofencing technologies that could restrict driving in certain areas or worry that governments could remotely disable vehicles during emergencies or noncompliance with future regulations. Government mandates can trigger a slippery slope, where individuals lose more freedom over their mobility. For example, if ICE cars are banned today, what stops future policies from limiting other personal freedoms, such as when and how often they can drive? Example: First, they tell you what car you can’t drive. Next, they might restrict how often you can drive or charge your vehicle. Mandates and subsidies for EVs is government interference in the free market, tilting the playing field in favor of one technology over another. If electric cars are truly superior, people will switch naturally. The government doesn’t need to bribe people to buy them or penalize those who don’t. I support environmental responsibility, but I prefer voluntary action over government mandates. An individuals should decide how to reduce their carbon footprint, rather than being forced into it by regulations. I care about the environment, but it’s my decision how to contribute, not the government’s job to force me into. Everything boils down to preserving personal choice in the face of increasing government mandates. While I may acknowledge the potential benefits of electric vehicles, I believe that the freedom to choose matters more than being forced into compliance with policies I didn’t consent to. If electric cars are better, people will naturally adopt them. Mandates are unnecessary and coercive. The government’s role should be to protect freedom and foster innovation, not dictate which technology we must use. Ultimately, true progress happens when individuals are free to choose, rather than being forced into conformity by top-down mandates.

[@plonkster]

@@Yurek_Vigo I'll repeat what I wrote earlier. Arguments from personal freedom assumes -- often without arguing for it -- that all personal choices are equally good. If it is true that we're slowly killing the planet we live on, then all choices are not equally good. Or in other words: Arguments for personal freedom often assume there is no reason to be concerned about the climate. If there is a reason to be concerned, then the stubborn naysayers may need some incentive. The good news is that this transition is going to take such a long time, that in most cases we can simply wait for the old vehicles and the old people to naturally disappear from the equation.

[@arielspalter7425]

I don’t own an EV, but I’m open to the idea. I keep noticing people like Rogan, Trump, and others trying to hinder progress toward EVs and seizing on any news (whether fake or real) that supposedly supports their views. It makes me wonder what these individuals gain by getting in the way. Why spread negativity about EVs? Let the market decide-if EVs are a good solution, people will adopt them and if not, they’ll naturally phase out.

[@victorfaenza8453]

Thanks Ben.

[@woodphoto21]

Yet another great truth seeking break down... Thank Ben!

[@danielam3829]

My wife and I both drive an EV because we now prefer them over ICE vehicles. However, we don’t go around virtue signaling because we think they are running on renewable energy. They’re coal-powered actually. Elon supports Trump because there is enough of an alignment of core values. I’m sure they don’t agree on everything.