Hearthstone: GvG Cards - 176 - A Blazing Experience (Mage Arena)

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"One Last Chance"

[@Mcofell1]

Every single time Trump remembered that he had Flame Leviathan, he drew it immediately after.

[@AnimeVampire234]

happened more than once too

[@wolgercon]

This is because Trump can usually call what will happen. He was just really unfortunate for calling it upon himself.

[@TheRiisingSun]

Even when he can't get good draws, make a good draft, win 8-12 wins, he still "finds" a way to be entertaining xD

[@jaydstein]

Keep in mind that this is edited. If he mentions leviathan and it doesn't get drawn, it's cut from what we see.

[@krisinox888]

since GvG came out, he hasn't gotten a part 2 arena... I also have a similar problem, not able to adapt well in the new arena meta

[@Merlinose]

you cant adapt to gvg , rng got increased by 500%

[@IlllIIIlllIIIlll]

last run. 12/2 sick priest value with 2shields, hogger, the dude that -2 attack for a turn, shadowboxer, 2 cultist...even though i didn't have aoe

[@dukedase7]

I went 7-2 before resigning... my best arena since I started 6 months ago.

[@Madhattersinjeans]

I've been stomping folks since GvG came out, if anything it's got easier. Or maybe I just got lucky with the drafts, idk. Though I have to deal with electricity RNG, sometimes my power switch trips itself. :(

[@videocadet]

The best i've gone so far was 9 wins on druid but only because the deck had perfect mech rush synergy. Other than that I haven't gotten too much luck either :/

[@Khornekultist]

First rule of Flame Leviathan: You do not talk about Flame Leviathan..... or you will draw it! :D

[@typen6095]

"No late gmae, how do i get these arenas?" "WoW Force Tank MAX... Ahh Duplicate"

[@GhastlytheTinkerer]

Force Tank Max isn't a great card. Is pretty easily dealt with in a way that wouldn't trigger Duplicate, and Duplicate can be played around.

[@bendebec]

He means Good lategame

[@alanandersen9468]

GrandDracolich Actually, Force tank max is pretty amazing most of the time. I've never seen it go badly yet (probably does sometimes). If it's a hero that can't deal 1 damage, the divine shield is almost guaranteed to eat a spell or minion, and then you have a 7/7.

[@typen6095]

Arena is slow so there is space for a HUGE tank and look at kripps chanel has a video about it anyway...

[@AlleonoriCat]

GrandDracolich i literally lost every game when opponents ccast a Force Tank. Yes, sometimes it can be dealt with by a single card but most of the time it gets his value.

[@Rathial]

Why aren't you going 12 wins anymore trump T_T

[@lSnedl]

On average, only 1 out of 3 games 12 wins. He just did not show bad game before

[@Rathial]

Ah ok was curious because the last few runs have been short. Personally GvG arena has been amazing for me and I've been getting way more wins than before. Was hoping to see trump stomping people with the new stuff

[@Herkuzz]

He's been playing Hearthstone for a long time so he has to take some time to get used to the new mechanics.

[@MopedOfJustice]

Jack Xin How was that established?

[@MopedOfJustice]

Scampie And getting screwed over by RNG

[@mrwumbo]

While we were in middle school I beat Trump in a tickle fight and ever since he hasn't returned any of my calls.

[@TheFireflyGrave]

Flame Leviathan's effect is Hearthstone's answer to the shaking water glass from Jurassic Park.

[@Tododialisimo]

Stopped by to tell you that your comment is awesome.

[@Kreekakon]

Something I find immensely hilarious is that EVERY TIME Trump talks about the Flame Leviathen it shows up right on the next draw without fail XD

[@keithboyd161]

I can think of ONE deck in which flame leviathan is viable. That is totalbiscuits deck of legends. For pure entertainment value. And That is it. What a shit card. Base stats, it gives away that is is drawn, no control over it. If id did damage only to enemy characters then it would still be balanced, and then maybe fine.

[@vlxedits]

a 7 mana 7/7 is definitely decent, without its effect

[@klte1]

You can SOMEWHAT use it in very lategame control decks, where you mainly play big guys that don't get affected by the random AOE. However, you are completely right that the lack of control over it makes it significantly less useful. Freeze mage could use it I guess, to counter aggro, but it's hard to fit in.

[@Tom-vt7lh]

I'll admit it's definitely the worst new class legendary, but it was clearly meant to be played in an anti-rush deck. It's good against Zoo and an unlucky Hunter, since you can clear the board for "free".

[@rafaellum]

try it in a "Hand-mage" with molten giants

[@H4mmerfall]

vlxedits A 7 mana minion without any effect is garbage, or War golem tier in other words. Even in arena its bad, because as we've seen, you have no control over when you nuke the board.

[@NeoBoxy]

How does Flame Leviathan always get drawn when Trump calls it? Hilarious

[@NeoBoxy]

Jason Weird I thought RNGesus did that :0

[@nordicfatcheese]

I got Flame Leviathan from an Unstable Portal. Unstable Portal, Piloted Shredder, and Piloted Sky Golem are all insta-picks for me, they're just way too much fun.

[@joaquinherrero541]

Also Recombobulator, it's great card

[@nordicfatcheese]

Joaco Canalla Yeah, but I've only gotten that from the Shredder so far.

[@roguewisdom8742]

When you got Flame Leviathan from the portal, could you confirm whether or not its effect triggered? Thanks

[@bvddh]

Joaco Canalla I've recombobulated something into a Fel Cannon, which then instantly killed my Recombobulator. Instant pick for hilarity.

[@nordicfatcheese]

Rogue Wisdom Its effect did not trigger. And I was very sad.

[@jameswigggg]

I wonder if this new expansion is going to diminish the skill factor because of all the Rng that's in it. You can make the perfect play but if that number generator says screw you then what can you do? Does that make one person better than another? I'm sure it's all variance and as often as the Rng gods go against you they will go for you. Was just something that popped in my head.

[@gastonrobayna2076]

Trump isnt good at arena.

[@thrakerzad5874]

Gastón Robayna citation?

[@jameswigggg]

Lol I was hoping for an actual discussion... Not a random statement of Trump sucks

[@bluffdetekta]

Gastón Robayna im a trump fan but thoses arena GvG he layed was not he's best, that is for sure.

[@BovinaSancta79]

There are plenty of really good cards that doesn´t have RNG. Just use them?

[@cdwwg]

People are wondering why Trump's not doing well in arena ATM... Simply put. GVG cards absolutely suck in arena. They have terrible mechanics for it. In arena you want to be making the most value-based plays possible to maintain board control, not have a Legendary take out your own board when you draw it. Ogres are big minions, but are wasted when you can't actually hit anything that you NEED to hit. Insane cards like Goblin Blastmage can't be utilized to their max efficiency because you can't arrange having mechs out / keeping mechs out before you draw it a lot of the time. List goes on for other cards. GVG was a terrible, terrible expansion for the arena. It's not Trump or anyone else's fault for getting the awful cards (for arena) in their decks.

[@TheBigHunger70]

I can safely say I strongly disagree with everything you said.

[@cdwwg]

Hurr Durr Go ahead, but you'd be wrong. Having random mechanics in arena isn't a good thing. Having random in mechanics when put into a well-constructed deck that take those mechanics into consideration is far more manageable. You just saw how massively inefficient Trump's cards were when left unable to synergize properly.

[@NeoBluereaper]

New cards being released is clearly not the reason why people are doing badly...

[@Mike-ds4ht]

I can safely say I agree with Hurr Durr

[@TheBigHunger70]

cdwwg That's because Flame Leviathan is pretty awful because of its unpredictable effect that can easily backfire. I've played quite a bit of arena lately, and I think the GvG cards make the games way more exciting because of the new mechanics and MANAGEABLE RNG. Also, if you think opinions like this can be wrong, then your head may be a bit too far up your ass.

[@LPwatcher]

29:40 Play arcane intellect... do it. *He plays it* yes... Yes... YES!!! *Doesn't draw flame leviathan* ... damnit. *Talks about flame leviathan on an even worse turn* Do it. DO IT, YESSSSSSSSS!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!

[@vook777]

I disagree about the last game's decision to play the hand slow. Should have coined out a 2. You had two other 2s to follow. And then you kept playing it slow turn after turn sitting comfortably getting your face pounded on. Wake up Trump - you dont have 100 health and you're up against a mage.

[@klte1]

Using the term "speaking of the devil" has never been more appropiate than in this episode. DAMN YOU LEVIATHAN!

[@CallanPage]

I watched this run live. It is amazing that Flame Leviathan only seems to pop up when Trump mentions it. Spooky.

[@Mofriese]

Someone please make a Lorewalker Cho + Spare Part milling deck! Thank you!

[@rkPod]

You can't get spare parts in constructed yet.

[@tjarkzhuehuehue8664]

rkPod But you can think about doing it

[@forest-goddess]

rkPod it's literally coming out tomorrow.

[@davidpt]

en!gmaatic no, its tuesday

[@wazbero6579]

David Freitas No, its monday.

[@Dr4gonshade]

Anyone remember those goblin blimps from Warcraft 3? They would say "Whassappenin'?" sometimes. I liked those blimps.

[@thedonny673]

Those guys were the best! I didn't notice the Goblin Sapper said that until I saw this comment. Makes me want to play some WC3.

[@dakotarandall7580]

Trump reacts to Flame Leviathan.

[@schlimmerfinger1128]

Jens, how do you think about adding a "Part 1" to the Title even if its the only part. Because it kinda spoilers sometimes. You could change it after 1 or 2 days maybe. I would really like that :). PS: Gute Arbeit :) Mach weiter so

[@chrisberg2]

I actual got my first 12/0 2 days ago with a really bad mage deck... I have no idea how that happend - no flamestrike, no blizzard, no frostbolt and only 1 fireball, sheep and flamecannon. Also got 12/2 today with a warlock deck that I would consider bad. Maybe bad decks are the new meta :)

[@Schmidteren]

Against rush decks it might be okay to kill a bunch of small minions. :D

[@ThiefSakon]

Trump definitely underestimates the Tank. Duplicate over dat is not the correct choice for sure. In addition he "whined" about no late game but didn't chose the Tank @_@

[@Michaelx281]

GVG seems so fun. I've played a few rounds of arena myself aswell, but the RNG value of these cards is so awesome, and I bet I'm going to have so much fun with it.

[@u414tsan]

its so weird. i'm actually doing better than normal at arena with gvg cards. i recently went 9 wins on warrior with 3 warsong commanders and a cultmaster :D

[@Schmidteren]

Leviathian so good. :p kill 2 of your own minions GG. xD

[@Killerky0]

I drafted flame leviathan my first arena run in gvg and went 12 wins it was always an upside to drawing it, it never hurt me that much, and it saved my one zoo game

[@L3TL]

Tried this in arena. Calling out flame leviathan's name really DID call it out. Ez 2 dmg

[@dan240393]

How can you lose due to bad Varians? He's not even a card and he'd be a legendary so you'd only be allowed 1 anyway. This was a joke.

[@Lionbug]

"My Magic WILL clear your board"

[@MDBurck]

Love that fresh-video smell.

[@mushkingdomz5931]

You guys complaining about him not going 12 wins anymore,before only interesting/good arena runs were posted so usually they were 2 parters. But since GvG came out he is posting every game he ran that day so of course u are going to see a lot of not the best arena runs because no matter how good u are at the game, arena still has a lot of RNG in what cards u are offered in draft and what u and ur opponent draw during the game.

[@jnZaneHD]

You shouldn't make comments like that based of assumptions. He never had such a bad streak in arena. Or at least not for a really long time.

[@mushkingdomz5931]

How is it based off assumptions? Jens said himself he was going to post every game that he played the first day of GvG.

[@Volthoom]

Mushkingdomz You just answered to Jens, you know...:D

[@jnZaneHD]

Volthoom I didn't talk about that part ^^ I meant that he usually doesn't have that many below average runs. His average is 7 btw. that alone should be enough information.

[@mushkingdomz5931]

my bad, well anyways i didnt mean anything bad about it, i know his average is better than this vids, but i was just saying it happens to us all :)

[@WrathOfMega]

It's ok Trump, I'm having lots of shit runs too.

[@alvaroneto9214]

At least i can say i am doing as well as trump in arenas post gvg

[@GhastlytheTinkerer]

I've lost a lot of interest in this game after this expansion. Arena's nowhere near as skillful, since the new cards are even more RNG than before.

[@kawaiarinokripperino9719]

Shat up and Fuck of then

[@BandWagon1987]

Strangely enough, I think that the GvG cards have made Arena more minion focussed, at least for now. Because there are so many options people are not focussing as much on hard removal spells, leading to much longer games, often going to fatigue. I'm actually really enjoying it at the minute. All Trump needs to do is draft for synergy and heal in order to survive into the late late game. Heal is key at the minute imo.

[@BandWagon1987]

I also forgot to mention that the freeze mechanic is completely and utterly essential at the minute. It's all about maintaining tempo with survivability. Frost element ftw as ever

[@Plague_Doc22]

BandWagon1987 I would have to agree. Today I got a 12 win arena run with mage and I had in total 6 spells (1x duplicate 2x frostbolt 1x fireball 1x polymorph 1x flamestrike) And the games generally were decided by tempo plays through minions. Also feel like thats been the case in my less successfull runs.

[@Fiiischinator]

Havng the exact oppesite on my side, the games end mostly from turn 8-12 and I don't like it. Even though I am playing more agressively aswell lately.

[@JoViljarHaugstulen]

BandWagon1987 Antique Healbot so op late game and in general useful for warlocks it just lets them keep on life taping and drawing two cards a turn without dying (as long as you aren't going for a rush deck as then it would be way to slow obviously)

[@Cole444Train]

i dont think heal is at all key. if you watch any of his arena runs, heal would never allow him to win a game since gvg…. ever. he just got outvalued, and healing provides no card advantage and no value.

[@Yamaneko81]

why is crota losing so much lately?

[@Ardefisty]

Flame Leviathan is actually pretty bad, but that voice tho It's fucking badass!

[@PowerLord83]

Wouldn't it be better to save packs until GvG gnomes comes out for constructive? Better way to get GvG cards faster.

[@Tom-vt7lh]

The packs you earn in arena now are just regular packs. Packs you win in arena after GvG comes out are GvG cards. There is no benefit to saving card packs right now. Also, look at Trump's gold. He's not going to have a problem getting all the GvG cards

[@PowerLord83]

This Guy You sure? Got source?

[@Saronite]

32:15 ... just reminding my self where i stopped ... dont worry about it ... just keep scrolling :D

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

Every time Trump talks about the Flame Leviathan, the following turn, he draws the Flame Leviathan...

[@Olhado256]

Trump loves being contrarian and arguing that seemingly bad cards are actually good and vice versa. I wonder if that has an impact on his drafting and subsequent Arena performance.

[@Plague_Doc22]

Flame leviathan is such a turd card for a legendary. I hate these gimmicky cards. They know they wont see high level play. But the card sure is fun though.

[@chumlum]

"not the proper way you check for iceblock, you scumbag" .. you tell 'em, Trump!

[@Plague_Doc22]

Only played about six arena runs since the new cards were introduced. And quite honestly I feel like alot of the cards dont see play. GvG has some terrible cards and some great ones. And you pretty much only see the great ones. Feel like they wont have too big of an impact.

[@Zivano1]

Trump is picking really bad nowadays omg. He could got he 7/7 with divine shield and didn't get it...omg.

[@Joram647]

"That's not the proper way to check against ice block you scum bag!" rofl

[@FeamT]

FLAME LEVIATHAN IS SUCH A FUNNY CARD THOUGH! 100% top tier pick for streamers. Place your bets, ladies and gents!

[@tehjoch]

Hey Jens what editing software do you use? I wanna edit my own video but with movie maker it's a real pain in the ass to go about and remove silenct moments from the video

[@SagaciousSilence]

Arena is finally FUN at the moment. I was getting SOOOO bored of Trump's arena videos before GvG with 80% of all games being vs. Mage. Mage/Paladin was ALL that existed in pre-GvG Arena. It was boring as all hell.

[@ChiiTheBlackWind]

That's completely unbelievable, i can't believe he 'predicted' flame leviathan that many times lol Hilarious fun to watch! lol

[@ElijahsSoup]

"Thats not how you check for iceblock you scum bag" - Trump 2014

[@UchihaSumairu]

Trump it wasn't the Flame Leviathan IMO that screwed you. It was the Mind Control Tech. Every time you drew it (for the most part) you got excited and took risks you wouldn't usually have. Not saying I'm a fan of Flame Leviathan or anything but *shrugs*

[@argetect2847]

"That's not how you check for Ice Block, ya scumbag." -Trump

[@Desregaurd]

Oh wow, both times Trump was warned about drawing Flame Leviathan, he ends up drawing it that very turn.

[@9arkansas]

at 31;30 he could of got 3 more damage by using swormwind champion then running the 2 three damage minions into the protector

[@KuroroSama42]

Could GvG have added more early-mid game commons? That would explain why Trump has trouble getting enough late game... the randomness just has a higher ratio of early-mid game cards to pick from, rather than late.

[@morantNO1]

Someone else just wanted to see Trump get wrecked by his own Flame-Leviathan? :D

[@icecreamandwine]

Trump is a shell of his former self since GvG. It's like watching Jordan play for the Wizards =(

[@da.de.7915]

1warlock 11 3 1warlock 6 3 1warlock 1 3 1druid 0 3 the rng of arena increased it seems at least for me (got once wrecked because of mageportal into mallygoss) btw the flame levi has voice recognition when you talk about it it comes ^^ (12:55)

[@Infantry12345]

I think it was three times that Trump spoke aloud Flame Leviathan's name, and then immediately drew him. Amazing.

[@BandWagon1987]

I spotted another problem with Trump's draft, it wasn't really his fault but he didn't draft enough taunts. He'll struggle to get through the above average rushy decks in the mid-arena stage. If you can get through them a strong control-type deck can go all the way to 10-11-12.

[@RedNZBlue]

I think Day9 said (and which I'll likely paraphrase it badly): Arena has gone from needing to plan well, to needing to react best.

[@BlakeFaeMorton]

Hahahah, I had almost the exact same first pick once. On the right too, but up against Gruul and Leeroy. It proved surprisingly good. What I noticed is that drawing at the start of your turn, when your opponent's board is usually strongest is on average an advantage. Also, no late game because you passed up Force Tank Max, which is really, really good late game.

[@jackbandit2114]

8:30 I thought he said "the sappening" 20:27 should have coined into shattered for a 3/4 and a 3/2 on turn 2. If you lose this game that's probably why. 31:22 Misplay, play champion first and then you don't have to fireblast the tree to trade... What is going on with trump lately?

[@Doomsdaymanx]

Trump any chance of you doing a 'first thoughts on the expansion' video now you've had some time in the arena? I've found my average win rate has plummeted the last few days too, so it'd be really interesting to get a pro's take on what factor's are actually driving the apparent difficulty increase in arena. Is it that GvG cards lack late game, and I'm also failing to increase my evaluation of any actual late game card? Is it GvG adds so much randomness you'll just see more variance in runs? (I had one game where a lucky madder bomber broke my 0-2 unlucky losing streak which let me steamroll to 8 wins) Is it that with the new cards have had such a large effect on the value of all cards that I'm actually drafting substantially worse without realizing it? Or is it (as one commentor here theorized) that high level constructed players have been diving into the arena to check out the new cards and thus raising the average skill level? Anyway would love to hear your thoughts.

[@Laban6112]

Flame leviathan: “you draw this card every time you remember about it, dealing 2 damage to all characters“

[@ocksee]

Does this 'creative accounting' concept work with all cards that have a passive stat boost ability (like his dire wolf) or just Stormwind Champion? I had no idea that's how it worked, but I guess it makes sense. I bet a lot of people don't know about this. I hope it works for all cards.

[@lucass7696]

FL was an interesting boss back in the day, but this card is just an insult. i'd rather play bolvar than FL.

[@morko576]

I too drafted the Flame Leviathan on the first pick :) It lost me two games because of bad timing. So, not brilliant.

[@Vsor]

I'm loving these GvG videos, it's fun to watch Trump lose every now and then. I'm sure he will get back into it soon.

[@kkokay4]

Honestly I feel trump threw that last game when he said "I'll take it slow". IMO the arena is all about tempo, and the moment you fall behind you essentially lose in most cases unless u have a crazy comeback card like flamestrike. Also I'm by no means saying trump is bad, I know he's way better than me.

[@Yey4Toast]

I love the mechanic of flame levi ~ really want more of these top decks that influence the board without being played, makes it so much fun.

[@Incarnatos]

I do wish that when Jens(?) puts a reference to something in the video that happens, he'd put a timestamp with it or something. I love trump, but when he's routinely uploading hour plus videos, I want to see the highlights

[@SJLaxative]

First opponent plays only 1 minion the whole game? 10/10 would draw poorly again

[@GrappleBerries]

Hearthstone patch notes -nerfed soulfire -nerfed flare -nerfed gadgetzan auctioneer -nerfed trump

[@TheJamieellis]

I got super lucky with my piloted shredder. i had it out, it traded into a cobalt, then it gave me milhouse :D

[@HammerspaceCreature]

Flame leviathan is so fun. Can just imagine the hail mary arcane intellect play clearing a zoo board and leaving enough mana to go straight into the leviathan drop.

[@magno172]

trump should make a video of his magical Flame Leviathan jinxes.

[@BugCatLove]

Strangely enough i made a 11 win and a 9 win arena with this new expansion, although i agree that arena is now kinda confusing...

[@SnowFaceChamcham]

in arena, i used webspinner and got the new druid legendary (if you don't know, it's a 7 mana 9/7 "put this back in your deck when it dies")

[@shelekhov]

A great pleasure to see realistic games uploaded as well. Players might get a bad impression that only them have shty luck.

[@RenatoFK]

Arena is getting harder probably because more people have free acess to arena or more people are doing runs to see the new cards.Bigger sample size now.Not as easy as it was,lol.

[@GigasGMX]

I think the reason you're not getting any lategame is because GvG added a lot more early game stuff (especially in commons) than it did late game.

[@thogz777]

Man, dat leviathan. The fact that Trump called it right before it hit both times made it super-hilarious

[@ProductionAuthority]

What is the best class for GvG after the release, iam from europe but i may create a new account on NA, give me some of your knowledge

[@Dragoncro0wn]

That shady play was so good that even trump didn't expect the ending. :3 Kappa

[@YuuExussum]

"How do I keep getting these arenas where I have no late game", earlier " I have no early game I need to start picking that" *gets no late game cards later*.

[@chandlerm4]

I remember watching this live and the chat freaking out when he drew flame leviathan and killing his guys

[@browncoatebberon7121]

Flame Leviathan is awesome, so many hilarious moments will be spawned with this card.

[@Lykrast]

Every time he speaks about how he forgot the Flame Leviathan...

[@cremebrouillet5215]

I love that as soon as trump goes like "Oh yea! I have a flame leviathan somewhere in the deck!" It appears

[@MrLaurids]

not a very popular opinion, but i think arena has gotten even easier since GvG came out, there is alot of strong picks that people don't seem to pick at all ^^

[@naruto00nix]

at 31:19 i think it would have been better to play stormwind first and keep the mechanical yeti alive, could even play bomber on top of it

[@Morgomir09]

ok trump seriously needs to stop saying 'I still have Flame Leviathen in here"

[@TheGamer583]

And, after all that, the mage on the last game BMed at the end. Why do people do this? Why do people like this exist?

[@vesmolol9185]

I love how every time Trump mentions Flame Leviathan, it appears xD

[@eVill420]

in his second losing game getting the corehound and hitting the turtle was probably the only case in which he lost

[@dancinindadark]

Everytime he mentions not wanting Flame Leviathan, it comes up XD