Trump Reviews Trump Reviews: Journey to Un'Goro Neutral Cards

[@TrumpSC]

I recommmend at least watching 9:37 for probably the best part of the video. ~ Jens

[@halazeel776]

Zanuka shut up nigga

[@imaloony8]

18:21 is pretty great too.

[@spamus5243]

To be fair... I think this was kind of his of hail mary. If he had gotten this one right, he would have been god-tier at predicting, even with all the other flubs.

[@gilgorenshimoni6404]

I'd recommend 12:12 even more.

[@azure5584]

Who the f is this?

[@Amphanotes]

You know what would be really fun with these reviews of review videos? At last you should differentiate all the stars with like how far Trump was off, so for example if Trump said a card would be 5 stars and it ends up being a 1 star card that would add 4 to the score and then in the end you would see how many stars Trump would be off. Then he could start comparing to the other expansions and see how far he was off. I think this would be a great addition honestly!

[@MrTVx99]

Mr. Danners Good idea but you've to work around the different number of cards added each expansion.

[@Darkprosper]

He should compare the average difference per expansion, that way the different number of cards in exoansions wouldn't matter.

[@OsvaldoChannel1]

you can do it yourself if you want

[@KambEight]

That would miss a lot of nuance. There were a bunch of cards which were "right for the wrong reasons," and it would be misleading to give Trump full credit for those. Also, there were a few cards like Primordial Drake where he exactly guessed where it would fit but just didn't guess the strength of the rest of the deck correctly.

[@joshklein373]

Mr. Danners I

[@pandaboy52]

Trump yelling at his past self is my aesthetic

[@gingerbead7919]

I can't help but think the simple solution to missed predictions would be to give each card two ratings. One for it's Arena (Individual Strength) rating. and the other being a rating for it's place in the predicted Meta. This would allow Trump to continue to guess the Meta, but demonstrate an understanding of the cards individual strength, by placing it in an arena environment.

[@Exantius9]

Maxwell Thollar Good idea, unique twist to card reviews as well as stopping Trump from embarassing himself in every review

[@yotamshitrit6820]

Except even in arena cards are valued based on other cards, just look at how *all* jade cards are rated before & after Ungoro came out, or how elementals are going to lose half their rating the second the next expansion comes out if it doesnt include good elementals to support the old ones.

[@Falcons8455]

i like it

[@ninehills42]

If you are intrested in Arena ratings, look up Hafu's videos. She is pretty accurate.

[@davidiswhat]

3 mana 2/2 stealth comes to mind for a strong arena card that isn't used in constructed

[@spamus5243]

For all the crap he's getting, I think he did a fine job with his predictions. His way of reviewing is entirely dependent on how the meta shapes up, and no one predicted the meta to be as different or as diverse as it is now. He got some strike-outs, but he also got some hard earned and unexpected home-runs. Considering how things turned out, I think he didn't do half bad.

[@crusaderofni]

People also have to remember that you can theorycraft all you want but the reality can be very different and all the possible outcomes and match-ups are just not possible to explore in that much detail without just experimenting with the cards when you have them available to you.

[@volbla]

I think some of the difficulty in predicting which quests would work out, especially hunter, is that a lot of quests have a pre-completetion game plan and a post-completion game plan, and you need to make a deck that can do both those things well. Hunter's pre-plan is to play a load of one-drops, but their post-plan is more of a midrangy, controlly style. Play a bunch of threats until your enemy can't deal with them anymore. You can't make a controlly deck that has a bunch of one-drops in it. Druid's post-plan is to only have draw effects and big, expensive minions, but if that's all your deck is you will A: never survive the early game, and B: never get your damn quest done. The stuff you need to put in your deck to complete the quest in time makes the reward of the quest worse. This is why rogue works so well. Their pre-completion game plan is to play cheap minions and bounce them, and their post-completion game plan is to play cheap minions. They kinda fit together. There are the quests whose reward don't really force you to play differently (paladin, priest, shaman, warlock), but the decks you have to build for those quests are just bad in general. If those just got better tools they could probably be competitive.

[@MrShyguyRS]

"The death rattle cards that go with Umbra just aren't there. Look out for that in the future." Proceeds to create Cubelock

[@carlosalejandrogalvezchicc5965]

12:13 when despair hits you hard...

[@Zamerux]

I honestly don't understand all of the haters. Trump has a lot of humility and explains his mistakes. I do like all the suggestions, though!

[@YTSliv]

trump (ungoro): that's my worst prediction, trump(ice clown): hold my beer.

[@jimkirk9890]

Trump is one of those people whose character can be completely opposite to ones own, but you still like him

[@dokonaut]

"Doh!" - 18:48. I liked this a lot, its a lot of fun to look back on yourself and the primordial drake part was hilarious when his former self was so close till ... XD

[@MrTVx99]

Personally, I think you should also add an arena prediction to each card because that's quite a different game mode which you also play seriously and value matters much more in arena.

[@Pebble_Collector]

Nesting Rock was also in a Heavy Midrange/Control Paladin deck that Sjow got rank 1 legend a couple weeks into the expansion.

[@Pebble_Collector]

Fire Plume Phoenix was used in Kolento's Elemental Hand Buff Paladin that he got high Legend with (rank 1 I believe) during the first week. Then it saw no play but because success was found with it surely it's a 2 star?

[@ChoppersRevenge]

18:30 The reaction to Primordial Drake is priceless ^^

[@robm6726]

ahh trump I crafted the hunter quest on your advice. why have you led my 1600 dust stray :( is alright happens still my favorite hearthstone player :) also still working on a deck I hope will someday be viable a hunter deck focused on big mythical beasts as finishers control the rest of the time. has Swamp King Dread Carnissa/marsh queen and King Krush.

[@Blackmore278]

9:50 - Oh my god! Trump imitating himself might just be the greatest thing ever.

[@Danilego]

3:20 I would still rate 5 because of the Token Druid and Shaman12:00 What about zooLock? It was also in many control Paladins, probably 3 or 4 stars

[@anaskaadan7846]

Okay now we need a re-review of the re-review of the original review of the card reviews of ungoro set review

[@REALwoombath]

1:40 ...and midrange hunter, and elemental priest/mage, and zoo (if any exists right now Kappa)

[@FelixHao28]

Trump was quite right on lots of cards in specific decks. The ratings seem so off simply because the meta wasn't well predicted (elemental decks, quest hunter, quest rogue, warlock to name a few). I think the next card review should be two parts: 1. card ratings in specific decks and 2. meta prediction.

[@ridgewalker8428]

Stone hill Defender: 3 mana discover Tirion or Tarim

[@Pebble_Collector]

Hydra is not ran in many versions of pirate warrior. From Rank 15 - Legend (granted not high legend) I've maybe seen this in 1-2% of Pirate Warriors.

[@dr.trichome6419]

love trumps humility. awesome i got a few wrong not many im doing a video this time around

[@pianoforte611]

It is really interesting that tier 1 is still under flux and for this meta, there have always been at least 6+ tier 1 decks. I don't think there has anything quite like this in the past. Either un-goro was really well balanced or the cards that rotated out were quite poorly balanced and the rotation fixed the game. Probably both.

[@RobinHood3000]

So, here's my beef with Trump's system of card reviews (disclaimer: I do recognize and respect that Trump's willing to buck the trend with a different review format as well as go back and critique his own reviews). Trump reviews cards based on how much play he theorizes they'll see in the meta that emerges following the release of the set, with cards that see play in top-tier decks receiving higher ratings. The issues are that: * Meta development, and game design as a discipline, is fundamentally an iterative and experimental process. Theory can only take you so far with any degree of accuracy, and that's not very far at all. * It's only useful to a limited segment of players,:those who are interested in high-level Standard play. Admittedly, I imagine that Standard ranked is the primary avenue of play for most players, but unlike a rating system that evaluates cards on their individual power and potential, Trump's system is largely useless for anyone who likes playing Arena, meme-y decks, or Wild format. Which is a shame, because I personally got interested in Trump's content through his Arena rankings. * Any errors have major consequences. Any other pro evaluates a single card wrong in a card-by-card rating, they get one card wrong. For each deck that Trump doesn't see coming or mistakenly thinks will be good, that's a bunch of class card ratings that are now completely off. Trump's deck predictions are like Artosis pylons -- one mistake has disproportionate, avoidable consequences. And yeah, people say that if we want a card-by-card rating system, we can check out all the other streamers, but we're not just here because Trump takes a different approach, we're here because we generally like the lens through which he views Hearthstone. Trump *CAN* have different insights to share from other streamers while still evaluating cards in the same system, and he can still make meta predictions if he wants (I think we'd actually like that to continue), but having meta predictions be the crux of his rating system just strikes me as putting more credibility on the line than necessary and providing less useful data.

[@tomwetherell389]

Where can I find a list of the tier 1 and tier 2 decks that trump mentions.

[@superkill6267]

Tempo storm

[@RasmusVJS]

Twmpo storm, im pretty sure thats where he is looking. :)

[@Nick_Patrick]

just the look when you have stonehill listed at a 1 star says it all

[@thepi3rad3r]

I would attribute silence priest being viable more to shadow visions than to razorleaf imo

[@awfulfalafel2613]

Wowowoowowwowo. You gave rockpool Hunter 5 stars but the snail 1?????YOU GAVE THE RUNT MORE THAN THE SNAIL.

[@64standardtrickyness]

I don't know why he rated stonehill defender so poorly I mean 5 stats for 3 mana cycle is pretty good note that 2/2 discover saw play so I don't know why this wouldn't and it has taunt

[@crusaderofni]

Theorycrafting can be hard, especially with a card game due to trying to predict how a card will interact with your deck and how your opponent can counter it. a 1/4 taunt on paper is bad and trades poorly, discover a taunt is good, but he didn't value it as highly due to the anticipation of a faster meta.

[@64standardtrickyness]

3mana 1/4 draw a card is very good stats so you would have to value discover a taunt very low to dismiss it. As I said mana 2/2 discover saw play 1/4 almost always trades at least as good as a 2/2 so that point isn't valid.

[@Begeru]

But the meta is really fast (pirate Warrior and Aggro Druid). He just didn't consider at all the class bonus for Discover effects. How could he over look "3 mana 1/4 add a Tirion or Thing From Below" to your hand?

[@crusaderofni]

It's 3 mana 1/4 discover not draw. Discover is very dependent on what it is discovering (Kabal Courier always discovered class cards which are generally better than neutrals which you can get a choice of 3 of with Stonehill Defender). 1/4 also doesn't trade as well as a 2/2 generally and is more to slow down your opponent than to trade efficiently. The card on paper looked too slow for the meta that was theorycrafted but the meta shifted in a way NOBODY predicted which is what can happen when you theorycraft because your not always accurate and what works in theory doesn't always work in practice.

[@crusaderofni]

I'm not argueing that it is a bad card. I'm saying that the meta he envisioned saw the card being too slow and he did see the paladin synergy but still thought it. Theorycrafting is hard (my main point) and while it is easy to look back and say it is a stupid thought, I'm sure many people thought the same. He thought that Paladin was going to be weak along with Warrior but both saw a lot of play.

[@1wing1]

funny how most 1 star cards in constructed are actually 5 star cards in arena :) i basically only play arena and dont know much about meta or stuff, and it made me chuckle quite some times

[@1wing1]

what shocked me the most was 5star rating for hydra, which is the worst possible card to pick in arena. wouldnt think anyone would want to include it into their decks, but then again standard games probably last a third of the rounds than arenagames do

[@finnmorgan9509]

23:33 does Trump know the next expansion o.O

[@Marc-sr3fi]

I dont understand how cards that have more stats than they should are still considered to have a bad statline for example Trump said Gentle Megasaur was a good card but the stats where not great. How can that be when its a 4 mana 5/4?

[@ChoppersRevenge]

Well theres a 4 Mana 7/7 in the game. All about comparison ^^

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Marc2344 Heckler has taunt ontop of that and it's decent at best, and that's only for arena. 5/4 for 4 is crap for the reason how trades turn out and damage of most spells, weapons.

[@Begeru]

Yeah but Trump should calling a 4 mana 5/4 "average" stats at least.

[@thomaswayne1852]

@TrumpSC: Plz consider joint review w Reynad for the next set.

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

Nice!! Always on the mood for some trumpception :D

[@Flailmorpho]

1 star for Stubborn Gastropod? It's a card that's saved my life so many times!

[@BlastOffer]

11:17 I know you are here for Vicious Fledgling fail

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

2:42 No. Snail is 6 stars because it is the best thing in the universe. MEME SNAIL, DESTROYER OF WORLDS!

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

Everytime past-Trump says "discard Warlock", you can see the inner torment of now-Trump. ^^

[@Goombalove3000]

wait, why is tar creeper played in aggro druid?

[@Pebble_Collector]

I'm not convinced you even know the meta very well now, Trump. Tar Creeper is also used in Evolve Shaman which is a borderline Tier 1/2 deck.

[@DystopianBeats]

Bittertide Hydra is a 1 star card if I ever saw one. Never had it played against me in constructed.

[@Hipnoful]

12:11 true despair

[@TrueXamuelGaming]

Dude quest rogue is not carrying fire fly and igneous, they're carrying quest rogue.

[@justthattaco531]

Why is gastropod one star? I feel like it is op in arena. May be wrong though

[@jackkory5684]

this review is only for standard. not arena

[@metalbob123]

The Dr. Boom of reviews

[@whilliamblamet187]

"Don't wanna call it the Wickerbum"

[@rurfs5547]

Was looking forward to the "Dr. Boom Wrong" counter at least

[@lizardirl9488]

A lot of people seem to forget that Trump got a lot of cards right. But the 1-star deck memes are just too good.

[@88Hyo]

why does he keep saying the first rotation ever when it's clearly the second? naxx and gvg rotated out long ago?

[@kavtind]

Could you review the classic cards of Hearthstone and classic legendaries?

[@Pebble_Collector]

Most Control Paladins run 2 Drakes.

[@PWN4G3FTW]

The Hydra basically only works in token druid, otherwiese its kinda trashy.

[@XFrozenAshX]

Hemet Jungle Hunter in Jade Druid no?

[@imaloony8]

I remember really questioning Trump's low ratings of Primordial Drake and Spikeridge Steed. The former was a 5 mana 4/8 Taunt with a Volcanic Potion bundled in. That's goddamn insane! Decks would definitely find a place for that card. And Spikeridge Steed was obviously a Sludge Belcher comparison. It's even better that it's in Paladin, because even if you don't have anything to cast it on, you always have the Button+Steed play, which is still quite good. Not only was it a "6 mana 4/12 taunt" but it was also really sticky.

[@Begeru]

Yeah I am blown away by how he could think Primordial Drake would be bad.

[@theboss-oj2vo]

and if something is a 1 of in a deck and 2 does it get rated less

[@trav6235]

i love these videos trump! best hearthstone content

[@KapsLocke]

Awww man stonehill defender 1 star? Didn't you take a look at the paladin legendaries?

[@Thought39]

Mean error and standard deviation?

[@amediumhorse]

The despair on Trump's face as he falls back into his chair after giving Stonehill Defender a 1 star rating.

[@Begeru]

God I cringed so hard at his review of Humungous Razorleaf. In general, Trump made too many early assumptions about how good Quest decks would be (except he thought wrong ones were good). He bought too much into the set theme hype. Honestly didn't think outside the box that much.

[@martingarciabadaracco1208]

This shows the impact of the quest rogue

[@Formulka]

12:12 Stonehill Defender, one star reaction :D

[@AnabraHUN]

I don't agree with type of rating, Trump rates cards based on deck's power they appear in. In my opinion a card should be rated considering its on power level. For example a card that appears only in a very niche deck (e.g. Quest Rogue) shouldn't be rated 5 stars. Yes, it might be absolutely necessary for that single arch-type, but that doesn't make the card itself great.

[@justinhanna9152]

Firefly was way better than you thought even after the re review

[@Desockme]

stubborn gastropod 1 star? its not that bad even if its not top tier. Good in arena

[@dannydoesright]

When will KOTFT rereview happen?

[@Squeenix1]

Giant Mastodon has his uses. I think 1 star is too harsh although this could be my bias talking...

[@FeamT]

Should tech cards like Golakka Crawler and Gluttonous Ooze really fall in the 5-star system like that? Seems a bit inefficient, for the way they interact with the meta.

[@handianus]

I decided to run 2 Bittertide Hydras in my priest deck, after all these Reno Jackson players!

[@lucas000022]

Why split the video up?

[@Keni92]

The voraxx? I didnt even know it existed

[@mericanmeal]

You lied, the adaptations aren't in the description

[@domagojpenava4949]

Trump try playing the decks you theory crafted for this expansion on ladder.

[@wurgel1]

Shame on Trump! Still ignoring the existence of molten wrath pally!

[@REALwoombath]

I'd say every 2 star elemental should be a 3 star.

[@Nakkis1234]

im sry im kinda noob but what are token decks?? plz someone help me XD

[@Lolminport]

16:50 haha nice prank...

[@lasersahrk5897]

I'm not sure which one is the present day trump anymore

[@tryazeve9420]

Are there any 4 stars??? :S

[@Chillaxorita]

inb4 next expansion Trump Reviews Trump's Trump Reviews Trump Reviews and fast-forwards to the part where he says this rating will (probably) be the worst he will ever miss

[@lucasloponen1083]

You should do a review of a review of a review another few months in.it would be so confusing

[@gendergoo1312]

It may be difficult, I understand, but it'd be really cool to see in your review reviews to include the star rating for cards in arena play. I've seen you build decks in arena that took you to 12 wins off of cards that were rated low in constructed.

[@doomsdayng]

I only got a few minutes in before I remembered that all the cards Trump says are no good are staples of my decks. I'm not saying I'ma better player than him - obviously - but I feel like he has no idea what is good in anything below Rank 3 gameplay.

[@cameronsprague101]

you realize quest rogue is tier 3 right?

[@tylermaloney6261]

i did, In arena, dino size the 4/8 windfury and kill someone from 20

[@EdwardTHead1776]

It's funny watching Trump roll his eyes at himself. Good on ya owning up to miss predictions.

[@lcsperuzzioliveira]

Nesting Roc 2 stars, in the same category as Hemet. What world does trump live in?

[@Vladd0r]

Sylvanas died for a 1 Star Card. feelsbadman

[@hatered6434]

The Swagman

[@angelo9024]

I crafted two emerald hive queens for my jade druid because of you :(

[@Drakkanoth]

Angelo Gomez rip

[@Sarkkoth]

I took all the dust from my ragnaros and sylvanis and crafted the quest hunter because of the original review...

[@erica2980]

If you want to know how to spend your dust Trumps reviews are next too worthless.

[@ianism1103]

Sarkkoth shouldve watched amaz reviews huh :P

[@penoyer79]

let that be a lesson for you. never craft anything until the meta settles.

[@roslolian11]

I think if Trump continues his new star ratings he will always be hilariously wrong every set because it is impossible to accurately predict all the tiers in the meta before the set launches. Also its interesting Trump thought of murloc paladin before release, if only he acted on his instincts he would have won every tournament in the first couple of weeks lol

[@SentryUwU]

No graf... :(

[@RobinLundqvist]

But you said next week trumpz!

[@theboss-oj2vo]

and see play what see play in a specific deck or in general

[@TMOFApollios]

I do not find that elemental is a poor as he claims

[@squatin4479]

Watched this at the club

[@Gradamit]

psst, trump itys actually the second rotation.