Trump Reviews Trump Reviews: Journey to Un'Goro Class Cards

[@robbywoolums9071]

Nearly 2 years later(This was written after Rise of Shadow's release, so I doubt anyone will ever see this), I have the fondest memories of this expansion. Ungoro is still my favorite expansion. I loved the theme, with the quests, the elementals, the crazy mechanics, and everything else. After some of the balance changes, Year of the mammoth itself is going to be hard to beat. I don't think year of the Raven was better, hopefully year of the dragon can be. So long Ungoro, you were fantastic. I hope Hearthstone will always be as fun as when we were journeying through your crater.

[@benaylward6737]

Robby Woolums The game hasn’t been going up even since Rise of Shadows which is sad I remember how much I loved quest mage in Un Goro even if it was fringe, Ashes of Outlands has not been great so far I really hope they can get it right in the next one.

[@kurgo_]

@@benaylward6737 oh lad, if you only knew how shit the game would become after that...

[@benaylward6737]

This man can see the future

[@dyrymyrylordx]

Here after forgged in the barrens is out , completly agree with you

[@Maxiinlb]

Here after united in stromwind...I quit the game after 4 years

[@AnArmyOfFish]

I like how even when Trump is wrong, he hits the nail on the head with a couple of predictions. Living mana "Would be good in an aggressive token druid", Direhorn hatchling "Would be good with Curator and Primordial drake in taunt warrior". Even though he was wrong about those decks' particular viability, he was right about how one would build those decks.

[@leonlx564]

You're right, people laugh how he got quest hunter and cards like that wrong, but so did everyone else.

[@morscoronam3779]

AnArmyOfFish Yeah, kinda wish he rated cards more along those lines. He would have had a much more accurate pre-UnGoro review.

[@Mwuesse]

no they didn't. A lot of people including myself knew that the hunter quest would suck

[@GustavoFurtadodaSilva]

Like his The Caverns Below review. He correctly lists almost the entire deck list, its strengths, its weaknesses and still gets the rating wrong. Pretty fascinating.

[@bigtherat]

Is that really a prediction? Most of your examples I feel like the majority of people thought of since the synergy is obvious. Like, wow the big token producer card would be good in a token deck. The beast taunt would be cool in the taunt deck with the Curator. Wouldn't call these predictions, more obvious statements about the card that most people were aware of.

[@blake7756]

Meteor: Barely any card decks run it, but when you discover it it gets chosen so often its as if its a card in the deck.

[@MrChocobar]

Ronald Dillinger much like getaway kodo

[@nateputerbaugh5709]

Ronald Dillinger And it's utter cancer in Arena

[@jamesnixon6192]

Jackal125468 that is something that a lot of people don't take into account with the amount of card generation in hearthstone "in your deck" and "playable" are not the same category.

[@qwerty11111122]

It's amazing how Quest Mage was "too slow" while it's now one of the fastest decks in the game, faster than Secret Mage. 14:52

[@jord19100]

Jeff Power even nerfed, but it depends on the card generation. At the time we only had cabalist tome

[@leobastian_]

@@jord19100 yep, the Deck gets slowed down by Not being able to Play giants+5 Mana reward and drawing the Giants, completing the Quest was never the Problem before the Nerf and it rarely is it now

[@SaintBonifacesGhost]

I rate my review: one star.

[@lemondude6174]

One Starino Trumperino lol best trumperino

[@mightybatillo]

One Starino Trumperino After depleting meme resources in Krips chanel the Kriperinos changed and invaded Trumps chanel.

[@LBPS]

lmao here too.

[@WilliamShakspere]

I really like how Trump is willing to admit when he's wrong. It gives his reviews a lot of weight and honesty.

[@xith1349]

Holy Shit Jens, good work getting this out so fast :O Under 24 hours!

[@SakamotoSan28]

The ending tied everything together! Now we know why Trump was so wrong.

[@ProfDrLaeradr]

Some Dr. Boom-esque reviews there ;)

[@mindscapejem]

I really hope there's a Dr. Boom counter like there were in previous re-reviews.

[@MikeDindu]

A lot of people were wrong about Dr. Boom though.

[@Spartanjames170]

Honestly though we all love to have a laugh at Trump when he makes a Dr.Boom level review.

[@Badalight]

A lot of people were right about Dr. Boom too. Frankly, I'm not sure how so many people were wrong. People were comparing it to a war golem for christ's sake.

[@mindscapejem]

Badalight They thought the Boombot Bombs would function like Mad Bomber's Bombs, i.e. they would hit any character and not just the opponent's characters, so they considered it trash. And really, if they functioned like the streamers had predicted them to, the card would have been trash, but because they didn't a bunch of streamers were hilariously wrong.

[@MrTVx99]

I love these videos so much because you try to predict in the first video and see where you also went right or wrong.

[@leonlx564]

Uhh no duh

[@SLAYDHUNTR]

Statestheobviouserino Kripperino over here

[@jacobdelafuccboi4690]

that is the point yes

[@MrTVx99]

SLAY3D HUNT3R just telling Trump I love the video and he should make it for every Hearthstone meta

[@captainobvious15]

Welcome

[@trime547]

36:05 "1 mana discover a card have not ever been run in the past" *akhem* Raven Idol *akhem*

[@RobinHood3000]

With regards to Trump's assessment of Caverns Below -- yes, technically "solitaire" is a different way to play Hearthstone. EDIT: Okay, that's a little glib, but I'm with Kibler on this, the card is conceptually cool, but as printed, the resultant deck has really limited interaction in gameplay. Hopefully, nerfing the quest condition to 5 plays with result in a more hybrid-y Quest Rogue deck.

[@SkaptorZ]

"I rate lakkari sacrifice 5 stars for its great potential" - Trump 2K17

[@motokuchoma]

35:50 the issue is that Caverns below is a helmet deck where you never actually meaningfully interact with it.

[@gabrielt.harris8885]

This is the best video series you do.

[@goode.110]

i really appreciate that Trump does this. very open and hobest, shows he really puts in effort

[@alexduranceau9695]

trump is a Nice guy :D

[@job-yw5hm]

"I have learned a lot from my last card review" LUL!

[@ledtube497]

But he explained the way of rating he does is quite hard !

[@zacg1924]

+Led Tube Still got it wrong, like COMPLETELY wrong, basically all decks that are viable he got wrong.

[@Nhyufll]

job Reneman are you sure about that

[@fliperflopis]

yeah trump is so shit he's never gotten into tournaments or has achieved legend or anything right guys h-haha

[@PitangerTrad]

not completely wrong. He was fairly accurate concerning a lot of classes, Rogue is basically the only class where he was completely wrong, with Hunter and Warlock having a lot of wrongs in it (edit : and even with that if we exclude the core and cards revolving around it, Trump got some cards right like Razorpetal volley and Obsidian Shard), but Paladin, Mage etc actually were very accurate.

[@BigMuskachini]

Hunter has way too many fucking 3 drops to include terrorscale.

[@morscoronam3779]

The Big Fish Hunter also has way too few deathrattle decks.

[@seaofscissors]

The Big Fish good ol' times when hunter had no 3 drops except the eaglehorn bow and huffer

[@meris8486]

The Big Fish I actually have it as a 1 of from a midrange Hunter deck I like playing. But your right Hunter has so many damn good 3 drops. Tried fitting in vicious fledglings too but it's super tricky.

[@Linosek279]

Alexander Ceja And with the death knight you can get a BearSharkRatPack

[@needlessToo]

He was basically almost completely right about Cavens Below. He just couldn't see aggro being weak which is understandable. Can you imagine someone predicting aggro not being viable in a meta before an expansion comes out? Also, Caverns Below isn't really an overpowered quest. It's just sooooo unfun to play against. So ridiculous.

[@ataraxial125]

Maybe you could consider rating cards on two scales instead of just one: Viability: The same rating that you're currently using, based on your meta and deck predictions. and Potential: An intrinsic rating of the power of the card, while also considering reasonable future synergies. This way you can give all the Priest cards a 1-star in Viability based on "ha ha Priest" but still give credit to cards like Radiant Elemental and the quest (good in Wild) for having Potential / being better than Binding Heal.

[@TrueXamuelGaming]

Kalimos is such a great card, it's really too bad that elementals kinda fell flat. Although I think there is hope for them with the Jade Spirit buff.

[@JanJanNik]

18:39 but this is like the best mage spell in the history of hearthstone, just by reading the card text

[@FH-ux4rf]

Your "Unite the murlocs" rating weren't really that wrong. Now it sucks, but just when un'goro came out it was a very strong deck.

[@NoName-bk9jk]

My favorite video in all his series. Thank you for uploading @Trump !!

[@halsti99]

id really appreciate it if every card would get 2 ratings. one just for the card itself, while imagining a world where a deck to support the card is available. A second rating for the actual viability of the card in the existing meta

[@strongside4565]

Although I'd never run Cornered Sentry, it has saved me when I've discovered it via Stonehill on a couple occasions just because it synergizes with Brawl so well if you opponent has multiple minions that you really don't want winning the brawl.

[@amethonys8494]

My only problem with the Nether Portal is the fact it costs 5 mana. Having to discard 6 cards is enough of a "cost" that having the portal cost 3 or 4 would make the deck at least somewhat playable.

[@ChoppersRevenge]

I feel like I'm the only one enjoying Trumps way of rating way more than the usual of every other HS-Streamer. Its so much fun to try and predict a future meta, people are taking these videos way too serious.

[@setakaporai]

You don't know how much I was expecting this, finally its out

[@jimirio4191]

I remember thinking the hunter quest would be cancer as well and was afraid for the future of the game. One thing is for sure, we can all thank quest warrior for helping to stomp out aggro decks and indirectly slowing down the Meta, regardless of how viable it is now.

[@andyspendlove1019]

I really wish Lakkari Sacrifice had worked. Discolock always seemed like such a fun archetype if it could work, and it seemed like if it would ever work, the quest would do the trick... and it didn't.... :'(

[@44R0NM10]

I'll be honest Trump, you're an incredibly clever person, but trying to foresee the future meta is...well, I don't think it's even possible. I think you're right that it's the best way to look at the new cards, but I think it's beyond what us humans are capable of understanding. Still though, love the videos. You're probably one of the bigger reasons people start playing Hearthstone :)

[@sladikk]

I crafted The Marsh Queen because of the original video. And while it was a fun deck to play and is actually my favorite hunter card, I was super disappointed by how bad it performed

[@Vvalox]

Not sure I like how he rates the cards in hindsight. I don't think the score should ever be based on 'how many different decks they're run in' but rather they should be rated by how powerful they are overall.

[@josiahleis6574]

These "reviews of reviews" are amazing. Please don't ever stop doing them Trump :)

[@MrDBuj]

Props for making this video and even pointing out where your predictions are correct but the rationale isn't. For future expansions, I'm a proponent of giving each card two ratings: (1) on the frequency of play in the upcoming meta and (2) on overall power level. The second metric is an indicator of cards that might become relevant after future set releases. Also, I think it could help newer ccg players understand what we look for in a card.

[@Menjoood]

Best ending yet, Jens. Can this be the new default outro?

[@Capt.Thunder]

I would have nerfed Caverns differently, by increasing crystal core's mana cost. It is not unprecedented as not all quest rewards are 5 mana. Making it +1 bounce really damages the deck unnecessarily, it is probably too slow to be competitive any more.

[@YaDerpyyy]

Shellshifter is played in some Aggro Druid lists, I would've said it's 3-4 stars considering it varies but definitely not 1 star

[@64standardtrickyness]

I find it odd he rated the warrior quest so low and the druid quest so high since the warrior quest gives infinite value and the druid quest seems like a worse version of jade druid. Primordial glyph one thing with far sight is unless you run only 3 mana and up cards you will end up with less value than you want sometimes. also the more flexible "bake" the better

[@threeknightsentertainment6990]

Looking back at these is really interesting, Trump should do a Trump reviews trump reviews once the set has rotated out of standard to evaluate how the cards performed throughout their standard life

[@SuperSymn]

Don't talk to me and my mad son ever again

[@buufuu8990]

Don't talk to me or my hatchling ever again.

[@Gareon155]

So it's a video with trump talking about trump wearing a shirt with trump on it. I approve

[@aidenbar511]

12:51 I didn’t even know this card existed...

[@zukuu]

Really appreciate you doing this. Most other people would just try to hide their misjudgment.

[@nomorecoolnames1]

33:47 - Rrogue

[@GenDrake3]

dinosize has seen play though. 8 mana 10/10 also potentially healing something that already traded with something. Turns into 10/10 face as well sometimes.

[@GSBroker]

It's funny how Lost in the Jungle and Stegodon were rated 1 star here, but now (march 2018) they are in every dude paladin deck which is a Tier 1 deck.

[@Blizzic]

Can we appreciate how close he actually got with a lot of them? This man is trying to do the impossible.

[@dude99844]

he literally got all the priest cards wrong LOL

[@pphyjynx8217]

rahul kurup Him predicting that the worst class in the whole game would remain the worst is such a fuck up?

[@Pzychotix]

N

[@mikerinotrapsaregayerino9123]

to be honest i play a discard nzoth control warlock and its actually my highest winrate deck. being about to summon dinomancer after dinomancer after dinomancer is insane when you can get it

[@DammitSinged]

I learned a lot from my MSOG Review. *"Rogue Quest is a 1 star card"*

[@acbthr3840]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Caverns didn't come out in MSOG bruh

[@pizzadelivery3]

Acb Thr He's referencing Trump's rating of Swashbuckler in MSOG.

[@lemondude6174]

Lots of reviewers gave it bad reviews, mainly kissing the Hunter Quest's ass too much to think too hard about it.

[@jord19100]

How do you ever say that qh is good its so obviously bad

[@rasmusaulik12]

9:48 you did the math? I also did the math and instantly discarded this card as garbage.

[@adireddy7677]

Di Linger "I'm di and I'm a fucking nobody. I also don't realize that people don't give a shit about my opinion."

[@SkytoM11]

Thanks for this. And big thumps up for the humility. You got a lot of flag (in my opinion undeservedly so). Keep it up

[@NocturnalPyro]

All the paladin dude cards that have an odd cost are insane rn

[@DASCSWEM]

Wow... Did Jens just animate the background when he was reviewing the hunter quest so that it keeps moving even when the video is paused?! This guy is living in 3017...

[@ausaevus]

He's not given enough credit for his arguments. Only 'good' or 'bad' is what people remember from Trump's reviews on cards, but he was actually spot on in terms of arguments for most of these.

[@danielhubner4787]

This vid shows you're honest to yourself and your fanbase...I like that

[@moosegoose3159]

A lot of this boils down to not releasing potential synergies with cards in the expansion. Noone thought quest rogue was any good because they figured the requirement took effort and too slow. Then we were given the varies firefly cards and it completely broke it. Even pirate warrior wasn't as cancerous as quest rogue.

[@Thaumius]

CAVERNS IS GETTING NERFED BOIIIIIIIII

[@MrLiquidxIce]

Thaumius bra for real ?

[@hikarikouno]

Yes, for real. Press F to ~~pay respects~~ say fuck you to all rougue quest players.

[@Tribune_of_Italia]

Your worse enemy you're going to have to play 5 of the same minion this time

[@sus425]

Why? It's balanced

[@matlat]

the only thing that has ever beaten quest rogue is full aggro. it completely shits on every single control deck on the meta lmao

[@NooobLP]

firebat is playing a lot of bloodbloom warlock recently. i would rate this 2 or 3 stars honestly

[@Bonu5epic]

24:14 turn on the automatic english subtitles "Battle spiked rape speed" help

[@barssariisik5270]

11:04 Grivous bite is used as a tech choice in some midrange hnter decks. The 2 star rating is accurate

[@barssariisik5270]

depends on how long will it take you to replace it with the card you are missing but its 2 star not 1

[@TheRandomGuyEpicness]

I didn't even know that biteweed was a card until I saw this review lmao.

[@hellopeople997]

Han shittier vancleef the flavor text for the card is Edwin vanleaf

[@Tbird1945]

Han there's a bunch of cards that I completely forgot about until I watched this

[@randomguy8461]

10:02 how is it shifting from Queen carnasa to carnasa's brood even as the video is paused?

[@shalajko]

2 star for kalimos? trump, you are truly a madman! i hit legend w ele/echo shaman and its rly strong if built properly

[@TemporarilyWoW]

I fucking love that apology to mike donais

[@morscoronam3779]

fittjohan Indeed 😁

[@alexduranceau9695]

fittjohan trump is not a douchebag if he is wrong, he recognize his error. Also... yes i love the apology To mike donais too

[@down2fight]

59:01 Jens saw the opportunity and took it 😂

[@raikaria3090]

It only took like 6 expansions of printing constantly garbage Warlock cards; and nerfing/removing cards to make Warlock not played.

[@KetaceanKyle]

i wish he would give a score for both standard and arena

[@marekz.5428]

@Trump may I ask witch site/sites are you using for deck tier lists? Thaaaanks

[@samuelwilkinson7524]

marek z. Tempo storm use code tempo for 10% off all items i. The store

[@lovereno5958]

I am glad you took the time and went back through

[@arbuth]

A lot of these cards could've been covered much faster (all of warlock)

[@TheSakurambou]

Fuck me. That joint at the end cracked me up. Well done Jens!

[@REALwoombath]

I still think he wasn't right with the elemental shaman, I climb with it pretty fast, getting twice to rank 2 in three days.

[@mjf69]

Do you think if they printed a "hero power changing" card for warlock that allowed you to choose what cards you discard when you discard cards, or that actively allowed you to choose a card to discard. That sacrifice decks could be viable?

[@RedwoodTheElf]

Seriously? Every single mage I've seem since Ungoro release has been Apprentice/Apprentice/Molten Reflection/molten Reflection/Waygate/Free Turn/Archmage Anton for infinite free fireballs. Until Archmage Anton gets put in the hall of fame, Open The Waygate is a staple of miracle mage.

[@zacg1924]

One of the biggest reasons Priest is underplayed is because of Quest Rogue, and we all know whats happening to that deck. :)

[@cbatus]

Trump you got the voice of an animal planet announcer, like "and the lion steadily approaches the zebra"

[@hanshansomahammau]

I think nerfing warsong was right, because dealing 50+ damage in one turn shouldn't be possible. Post-nerf Patron Warrior was a ton of fun and I still hope it gets a place in the classic set one day.. but yeah. Being faster than quest rogue is pretty easy, unless they roll damn good, but the same thing goes for murloc pally as well.

[@hellopeople997]

hanshansomahammau murloc pally is frustrating as hell

[@Shakezoolatron]

Oh I've been waiting for this priest redemption..from the very moment you did your first review lol

[@KartoffelKonig]

I remember Trump getting called a Madman for this Review .. and well he seems to have embraced that nickname

[@amediumhorse]

Trump: A 10/10 body for 1 mana is very good, and since it cannot be targeted by spells, it gives the card a lot of value, it counters every deck, but since it's a Priest card, I'll give it a one star.

[@FeddaCheezy]

What if Warlocks could *choose* which card they disarded?

[@hellopeople997]

Tariq Saddler it would be better if it was discard the leftmost card or discard the cards adjacent to this card

[@FeddaCheezy]

I like that idea. WAY more consistent than it is now, but not busted like my suggestion.

[@TamMaguad]

you can play gwent :p

[@lisovenkoev]

Review on review is definitely very good as it is. It is very brave did. Praise the Trump. But the lack of arena ratings is frustrating

[@zippidisx2749]

If a card is insane but not meta i think it is okay to still rate it high. Like Kalimos is still ridiculous.

[@itzmistz]

You're so fast Jens, good job !

[@sunkeeperinotarimrinokripp4162]

26:15

[@oldschoolgg7342]

Sunkeeperino Tarimrino Kripperino I

[@hiddenemperor653]

cudos to you for being truthful about what cards are really being used and favored over others, takes balls to review ypurself before a sea of trolls, what a scholar!

[@statisticserinokripperino]

6:02 - Trump says slam-dunk as if he is a basketball player lol ecksdee

[@Maawaa]

I'd be interested to hear now that the dust has settled whether Quest Hunter or Quest Shaman is the better deck.

[@MrChocobar]

RubbishyUsername Quest Shaman I'm pretty certain. It's a runnable deck whereas Quest Hunter is just bad

[@keeganlubbe2470]

I played a Quest Shaman for a while and had some really good luck with it. It's not amazing and I've put it away for a while now, but I don't know anyone who has done well with Quest Hunter.

[@mariomcp]

Well, Trump did end up being right about Quest Rogue being a 1 star card. It just took a nerf before that happened.

[@Distruptor18]

If you put the speed up to 1.25x Trump almost speaks at a reasonable speed.

[@unixtreme]

Lol you are right, I'm not sure if he speaks slowly by default or just to seem more knowledgeable xD.

[@mikerinotrapsaregayerino9123]

Distruptor18 but have you watched dyrus

[@zz-uk8iv]

If you put the speed down to 0x Trump almost speaks at a reasonable speed.

[@simpletora7313]

Well apparently his rating of quest rogue is correct now that it's getting nerfed at least that's what everyone else thinks. Adding 1 more minion isn't going to change anything.

[@theronerdithas2944]

You know, it's kinda funny, every archetype that Blizzard pushed failed. The elementals failed, only some of them were integrated into other deck types. Almost all of the Quests failed except Rogue and Warrior, now Rouge is getting nerfed and Taunt warrior isn't even a top tier deck. The powerful card were just integrated into already existing decks, or they were powerful enough to single-handedly make new deck archetypes.

[@Robert399]

Un'Goro's really a mixed bag. On the one hand, they ended up with a lot of viable decks and an evolving meta. On the other, they've embraced power creep to the extent that basically every viable deck feel AWFUL to lose against; almost every game is only fun for one player. Furthermore, there's a really shitty series of benchmarks now that seriously limit the meta and future design space. Namely, no deck can ever out-value Quest Rogue. In terms of absolutely power, it's the best deck there will ever be. Thus, to be viable, every deck has to either reliably kill by turn 6 or make itself immune to board damage until it reaches its win condition. Similarly, no deck will ever out-aggro pirate warrior or outlast Jade Druid. So instead of a true expansive meta, we've really got these three decks rising and falling in prominence and a roster of other decks working within those constraints.

[@DischordInMyHead]

So now cards are either 5 or 1 stars?

[@XFrozenAshX]

DischordInMyHead Obviously that's why there are also 2, 3 and 4 ratings included. :) Probably more in fact than in his original review. Dumb ass.

[@MKDragonish]

the problem is, Trump rated so many 1 star cause he just saw the expansion with dead classes like hunter and pally. When like 20 are viable its a lot harder.

[@MunkyDrag0n]

Stevie Wonder could have seen that Lakkari Sacrifice was not worth it. If you fill your hand with junk as discard fodder, then discard can always remove an important card, leaving your hand clogged with junk. What discard synergy did this expansion add? Zavas, which is a legendary and you can only have one copy of, and Cruel Dinomancer, which you admitted was too slow. You thought Silverware Golems would help carry the deck? Without Reno for comeback ability how did you think the quest would not end in catastrophic failure before you could finish it? How did you think 3/2 imps would help you come back from said catastrophic failure?

[@nunu7797]

Ive been Waiting for this for months

[@Badalight]

Sunkeeper tarim underrated? Pretty sure everyone was gushing it over it aside from you. I saw that card and thought it was absolutely insane. As for the 3 attack being difficult to take down the 7 health... duh? That's how the card was designed.