Truth About Early Porsche 928’s

[@HernanSpeed]

To everyone who has Shared/Subscribed/Liked our videos, THANK YOU!! More to come! More 928 Videos HERE: kzbin.info/aero/PLB1Br-75u6i1pXhAf88POcgtLTFTGQdxR 0:00 Record sale of Risky Business Porsche 928 spiked prices 0:25 Does the old advice of buying the newest 928 still apply? 0:44 When a Porsche hits classic status, prices explode! 1:38 Are early Porsche 928's worth these elevated prices? 2:15 Not all early Porsche 928's are the same. 2:42 Euro 928S introduced.. 2:53 Euro 928S VS 928S, any differences? 3:38 Most Important thing when buying ANY Porsche 928! 4:23 Are early Porsche 928's worth more than later S4 GT GTS models? 5:22 Early Porsche 928's are lighter, but are they funner? 5:58 Early Porsche 928's have shorter gearing = FUN!! 6:47 Is a faster Porsche 928 always more fun? 7:16 Early 928's are being used for pleasure, that means Weekends & Car Shows. 7:31 Are the elevated prices on Porsche 928's justified, or plain crazy? Message me: instagram.com/HernanSpeed #porsche928s4 #928 #porsche928

[@normsallitt2753]

The black 86 928 driving and popping the headlights at the beginning of your video was my car. I sold it this past February on BaT after 16 years of ownership. It was an absolute time machine with only 35k miles from new and always amazing to drive with the manual transmission. It was truly an honor and privilege, being its conservator for the past 14 years and quite possibly the best Porsche I've ever owned. Thanks for posting this video of an old friend.

[@HernanSpeed]

A SPECTACULAR 928!!! 💯🔥🔥

[@normsallitt2753]

@@HernanSpeed Thank you 👍

[@josephpole]

Agree, the manual is amazing. I drove a lot before buying but the manual changes the driving dynamics completely. The 928 is a great car with either transmission though, finally getting the recognition they deserve

[@upssidep9283]

Another great video! A clean 928 will always be big bucks!

[@HernanSpeed]

Thanks for watching man!

[@porschelove-6077]

Great Video! I agree on your last point! Spend the money upfront, otherwise….pain!

[@upssidep9283]

💯💯

[@HernanSpeed]

Correct! Buy minty, so you can enjoy…

[@gonzalomartinez-gil2820]

En el mio, un S4 del 89 Manual, he gastado sin escatimar ni un solo euro, le he hecho todo, desde el motor entero pasando por embrague, suspensiones y un largo etc de detalles, no me a importado en absoluto.

[@HernanSpeed]

It’s worth it! 💯💯

[@slickfrictionless]

Love your 928 content! I’ve had my black on black 86.5 five speed for 27 years and will probably get buried in it, lol! I’m hoping that the uniqueness of this car, with the S4 brakes and upgraded suspension, and the very last of the older body style cars, will be the next model to see higher values! It’s absolutely the most reliable car I’ve ever owned! It’s never left me stranded or failed to start!

[@HernanSpeed]

That’s what I’m talking about! Never sell!! Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@slickfrictionless]

@@HernanSpeed Nope! I made that mistake once! I bought a 1970 911E in 1984 for $5,500! A chain tensioner went out and broke the engine in 1987 and, at 23 years old fresh out of college, I didn’t have the 3K to fix it and needed reliable transportation for a new job. Traded it in on a Toyota! Worst mistake I’ve ever made based on what it’s worth now but at that age I had no concept of what kind of future investment it would be, lol!

[@HernanSpeed]

We live and learn 💯 Take good care of that Porsche 928! 🙌🙌

[@modified15r]

Enjoy your videos. I have a 82 and 88 you are point on in the driving experience.

[@HernanSpeed]

Those are great years 💯 Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@cbotten106]

Very similar to the Lambo Countach's, early ones are "purer" and later ones get ugly appendages.

[@HernanSpeed]

The later one’s look sublime without the side rub-strips, makes a massive difference! But… the Early ones are a Work of Art! 💯👊👊

[@juanvidal9492]

Another great video, well done. I think the 928 had been undervalue for a long time, they look so cool, and they are much nicer to drive than any 80`s 911.

[@HernanSpeed]

The more time passes, the cooler they get!! 💯👊👊

[@jasonknight5863]

Thank you 🙏🏻 These 928 spots are wonderful! I would love to see the story of your 3 928’s you had sitting in your warehouse. Good call because that leather in abundance interior and dash hates sitting outside. A strong U.V deflecting Xpel Prime XR Plus is unbelievable in the florida sun. Just got it on my cars and it’s unreal how it feels like sitting under a tree 🌳 with how much sunshine it deflects from the interior of that car. It felt before like the windows had holes in them driving around. The leather interior and I are certainly VERY happy to keep my minty perfect 928 S interior in perfect condition:) 🙏🏻🤷🏼‍♂️

[@HernanSpeed]

Sounds like you’re treating that Porsche 928 good! Yesss, tints make a huge difference….especially ceramic tints like Expels! I had Crystalline ceramics all around, even with a 70% on the windshield! Totally worth it! Yes it’s pricey, but you’ll save thousands by keeping the interior minty! Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@jasonknight5863]

@@HernanSpeed You are most welcome brother. 👍🏼 Ah, you too found the key 🔑 also in comfort and keeping the interior new also. You’d be surprised how many people haven’t discovered what the high end tint do. They think it’s just for darkness levels and looks. 😂 Yes I have the 70 % Xpel Ceramic plus the best for one windshield and 55 % on the Porsche. With 20 % on the side windows and 15 % on the big rear window. Along with that combo on my other sports cars. You are right makes such a difference! Enjoy brother. Yes true, you’ll save thousands just keeping that leather dash and interior perfect , as it never comes out the same if you let them go.. and recover it. All parts on Porsches are super expensive if you can find trim pieces. Bring on the next of your brilliant videos 🎊

[@HernanSpeed]

@jasonknight5863 🙌🙌

[@Landshark928]

Thanks for the spot on vid🎉! In the mid90s my dad was looking for a 928S automatic (due to my pushy behaviour) and we testdrove several candidates🎉. We also drove here in the Netherlands an 84S auto US version and we were 😮 how 'tired' it felt😅 by then we had no clue the US version lacked some horses😊. As with any exclusive car: by the best documented car possible with a good story. Cheers!

[@HernanSpeed]

Sounds like you’ve got a cool Dad! Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@Landshark928]

@@HernanSpeed he certainly was😃! See ya!

[@tkongny]

You are the 928 king! Your 928 expertise is so rare. Wish you were in New York. Thanks for the content! Keep it coming!

[@HernanSpeed]

Thanks for watching man! 👊👊

[@tkongny]

@@HernanSpeed always will! Your content is 🔥! Great info and great presentation of info!

[@HernanSpeed]

🙌🙌

[@normanpower973]

Great video! I can agree with everything in this video, I went to buy an early 79 5 speed 928 owned by a pilot but the fuel pump went out on it during the test drive, it drove fantasic and felt more toss-able. I ended up settled for a 944 instead as they were much easier to find. I still had the 928 itch and later a friend bought an S4, and when I drove it I couldn't figure out why it didn't feel like the early one I had test drove years earlier. Later on I went to a dealership and test drove another 928 and found it boring compared to my 944 which I'd now modified for autocrossing, you had to drive the 928 flatout to really feel any excitement. I ended up getting rid of my 944 and an early 911. Still owning my 914 from my teens(first Porsche) which I saved from going to the junkyard(was converted to a slantnose not anymore), it's a modified bastard of a car, not original at all with a Boxster transmission and a Audi 1.8T big turbo putting out 320HP. Much more fun then either car so raw, but with a modern drivetrain it can be docile, not a good investment car but its what I like, and gets lots of looks as 914s aren't common anymore as most have been reclaimed by the Earth.

[@HernanSpeed]

You’ve got great taste in cars! My little brother just got an orange 914-6, it’s fun!! The 944 is a lively feeling car, so are early 928’s. I think that most S4 automatics feel soft is because the transmission linkage is sloppy, so they can feel…lethargic….but it’s easily fixed with a few adjustments. Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@Datsunz-fr2nw]

I have the 436th 928 made. Most of the parts are from 1977. The car was sold in February of 1978

[@HernanSpeed]

That’s a really early one!! 🔥🔥 Take really good care of it!! 👊👊

[@928pcar]

#112 here! June ‘77

[@HernanSpeed]

🔥🔥🔥

[@madfemurfast]

Another great film👍

[@HernanSpeed]

Thanks man! 🙌🙌

[@rudimerm7686]

Great stuff. As a kid, I thought they were all the same. As a teen, I knew how much the 928 evolved significantly, especially when you look at the 1995 GTS. That 5.4 DOHC V8 had 100hp more that the original 4.5 V8.

[@HernanSpeed]

Yesss, power definitely went up during the years! 💯👊👊

[@checkmate1996]

great video! I'm in the process of a light restore with an 1985 928. It had really good bones. (e.g. good paint, motor and interior). Almost a complete car. The first initial pass of things needed is coming close to $5000 which doesn't include labor. many of them are weird electrical issues after multiple owners.That being said, when brought up to speed properly, these are amazing cars to drive. I appreciate them so much more now after seeing all the modern "plastic" junk being sold for $100k. This is why these cars drive so well. They are extremely planted with the 50/50 weight balance and everything is bolted together with real stainless steel bolts. Not this faux garbage manufactures are using now. 😓

[@HernanSpeed]

Yes!! 🙌🙌 That’s what I’m talking about! After you bring it up to date, you’ll have a car that you can have a blast with for years!💥💥 Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@reitsmaassociates]

Fabulous as always ………….and the 928 too 😊. - cheers from Brisbane

[@HernanSpeed]

Hi from Miami! Thanks for watching! 🙌🙌

[@joeblack007]

I am looking at two 928s that are close in price. The 78 928 runs on starter fluid and is a 5 speed. The 87 is a S4 with auto trans in unknown, non running condition. I am a glutton for punishment but I think the 78 is the better buy because once the fueling issue is resolved, I can drive it around the block and look/sound cool faster. 😅😅😅

[@HernanSpeed]

Man.. I’ve been there, lots of pain in your future! But also learning 💪 The 78 had the ultra simple CIS fuel injection, so if it runs on starter fluid…it’s just a gas issue. Most likely the fuel injectors are toast, look in the forums for the aftermarket ones! Also, go to Rennlist 928 forums! Every question has been answered on this car! 💯👊👊

[@928fanbelgium]

Make more stories on the specific models! With some driving experience etc! Great content!!

[@HernanSpeed]

Yesss, will eventually be doing more in depth vids! Thanks for watching! 👊👊

[@carandkarts9558]

Great video. Through your videos, I learned about the Euro 928s from 84 to 86 and started paying attention on BaT. Based on my observations, there is a difference (probably around $10-15k) but they are far and few between. Still searching for a 928...

[@HernanSpeed]

The Euro is totally worth it!! I’ve noticed that many sellers don’t even realize when they have a Euro.. Look for the lights instead of the description in the ad! 🙌🙌

[@carandkarts9558]

@@HernanSpeed Thanks! Yes, look for that single red one at the back. (A few guys on BaT also know about these…)

[@HernanSpeed]

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[@josephpole]

Euros got the 300HP 4.7L in 1980 so don't discount 80-83 in your search. I'd also recommend driving as many as you can before buying, they can feel very different depending on how well they've been maintained

[@fadih6410]

Fantastic video. Thank you for another lesson on the Porsche 928.

[@HernanSpeed]

Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@AndyD070568]

Finally someone talking sense on the manual vs auto debate!

[@HernanSpeed]

You know it! Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@RonNehring]

Yet another world class video. Your content is excellent. Still waiting for what you have to say about the Panamera in a video!

[@HernanSpeed]

You know it! Thanks for watching! 🙌🙌

[@detonator2112]

And what were the 928's competitors? Mercedes R129, BMW 8-series and Jaguar XJS. I think Porsche was clearly the best car of the bunch. Strange that there aren't any motor media comparison reviews of these. Sure there is the GTS vs 850i comparison and GTS absolutely DEMOLISHED the heavy and slow 8-series. R129 was amazing but it was way softer and more like a luxury car and Jaguar XJS was already ANCIENT at this point. But I think its successor XK X100 (which you reviewed) was pretty much the "British 928". Great cars.

[@HernanSpeed]

The 928 is in a class of its own! 🙌🙌

[@MTbone7]

Love the 928, you know your stuff brother!

[@HernanSpeed]

Nothing like a Porsche 928!! Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@Brutaga]

Having owned two early 928 manuals and a S4. The time for 928 being accepted as a true classic is long overdue

[@HernanSpeed]

Yesss, I agree! 🙌🙌

[@johnmonreal3639]

Great video… 928’s just look better with age. I know you like the XK8, would love to see a review comparing both 💪🏼

[@HernanSpeed]

The XK8 as a daily, and Porsche 928 for the weekends! 🙌🙌

[@topdawg1692]

great content!1 i have 6 -928's,, early euro's with pasha interiors, all 5 sp

[@HernanSpeed]

That’s what I’m talking about!! Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@nboy7]

You're the Porsche 928 whisperer !

[@HernanSpeed]

😆😆 Thanks for watching brother! 👊

[@MrToddgibbs]

Great video :)

[@HernanSpeed]

I’m subbed to your channel, great content! 💯 Thanks for contributing so much to the 928 Community! 👊👊

[@MrToddgibbs]

@@HernanSpeed ditto :) you prefer early cars over later?

[@HernanSpeed]

When I was younger, I preferred the later years…I was always looking for faster and more modern. But now things have changed a lot, I’m starting to like the pure lines of the early cars more….maintenance is much easier too. Got my first Porsche 928 almost 29 years ago, I have many great memories with them! 👊👊

[@djhightopfade4940]

My 89 Auto with Cayman wheels does feel heavy. The real fun begins at higher freeway speeds

[@HernanSpeed]

It’s made for the Autobahn in Germany! 💯👊👊

[@michaelsavo-mg2pc]

When I was 20 I scratched enough together to buy 1986 corvette could never afford a porsche but my vette beat the porsches on the street never thought they would be so popular today

[@HernanSpeed]

Man, that’s a great car for a 20 year old! 🙌🙌 That year Corvette had the L98 engine with 230hp, it could probably beat a base 944. The 928 had almost 300hp that year, and over 320hp in 1987. Porsche prices have never been about speed, it’s more how they drive. Btw, I owned a beautiful 91 Corvette… a fun car for the weekends…and ultra low maintenance! Gotta love that! 👊🔥

[@michaelsavo-mg2pc]

@HernanSpeed now I have a 2023 porsche 911 turbo s cabriolet that also beats every car on the street love it 😀

[@HernanSpeed]

That’s what I’m talking about!! 🔥🔥💪💪

[@detonator2112]

Personally I always thought S4, GT and GTS look like completely new model. People said 928 stayed the same between 78-95 but I always saw the difference between the two generations very dramatic. I know it's just bumpers and lamps but they managed to improve the looks a lot. The old model definitely has certain charm but the new look is more balanced and timeless.

[@HernanSpeed]

I like the new ones without the side rubstrips, it totally kills the lines for me. It’s actually the reason I sold my GT. Removing them is not easy, they have huge mounting holes. Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@mickeymichaels1298]

I noticed the gearing changes for the US market many years ago. To go with the much taller rear end ratio, the US manual cars got a wide ratio gearbox with a really steep 1st gear. But if I remember correctly, didn't they go back to Euro gearing in US cars starting in 1990, back to 2.75 or so for manuals and 2.53 for autos?

[@HernanSpeed]

Yes, the gearing got shorter for the manual 928GT with a final drive of 2.73. On a 928 GT, you really can’t ‘step on it’ in 1st gear during normal driving…it creates jack rabbit starts. So, 2nd is used once the car is warmed up. On the early 928’s with the 4.5 engine, you can use 1st all the time because there is much less power. Thanks for watching man! 👊👊

[@andyjohnson6548]

Another awesome video as usual. Thanks for sharing with us 👍 I’ve recently had the transmission out of mine to have the torque converter seal replaced. New one started leaking right away so they pulled the transmission and put another new seal in and it’s still leaking. Any suggestions to what’s going on here?

[@HernanSpeed]

This usually happens when the seals are ‘over torqued’, it creates an uneven surface…so leaks happen. Make sure that the shop knows what they are doing, and they warranty the work. The 928 uses a common Mercedes unit, all parts are still available….there is nothing exotic about it. Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@andyjohnson6548]

@@HernanSpeedthanks for your reply

[@928pcar]

I’ll never buy a U.S. spec 928 again. Owned the US 85 5 speed, now have 2 euros including a twin distributor 5 speed. The 4.7 S2 5 speed is the best 928 ever in my opinion

[@HernanSpeed]

Lots of options, it definitely confusing for most. The 1985 US 32V engine has much more low-end torque, which makes it great for an automatic….more power can also be extracted easily. The Twin-Dizzy Euro model demands a manual transmission, it LOVES TO REV! Definitely a more exotic sounding/feeling engine! It’s worth the added upfront cost! 💯💯 Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@ThatCaymanGuy]

I used to own a 1979 928, it was given to me, the car was in such terrible condition, all tires were flat, sun fade, rust, engine wouldn't start and this was Pre internet back in 1994, I had this foolish dream of getting the car up and running but parts were difficult to find and unnecessarily expensive. I gave up and had the autowreckers pick it up for $300. I was living at home at the time and my mother said 4 cars and a motorcycle was too much.

[@HernanSpeed]

Man, this comment reminds me of my youth. Me and my brother would bring home cars, some wouldn’t run. The family would tolerate it, just barely. Fun times, with a little pain 😆 Thanks for watching brother! 👊👊

[@ThatCaymanGuy]

@@HernanSpeed dude, anytime! you make great videos!

[@HernanSpeed]

🙌🙌

[@hadrianmansueto2556]

Is the muscle sound difference of the 1980 between the european and the us versions just in the exhaust system or it has something to do also with the engine?

[@HernanSpeed]

Lots of details in the engine contribute, but I’d say it’s mainly the Euro camshafts and timing 💯💯 That being said, many things can be done to the US 16v engines to make them sound even better! 👊👊

[@SAMMYJR00777]

NICEEEEEEEEEEEEE... LOVE IT

[@HernanSpeed]

Thanks for watching!! 👊👊

[@tkongny]

Your 1987 S4 looks like mine. Is the color diamond blue metallic?

[@HernanSpeed]

That’s a great color man! 🔥🔥 This S4 is Granite green metallic, it changes colors depending on the lighting outside…most people just think it’s Silver.

[@terrylessmann2274]

@@HernanSpeed My 1st shark was an 87 S4 in Felsengruen (Granite Green) Metallic. Thought the color was Atlas Grey. Bought her on a cloudy day and didn't see the green until I got her out on a sunny day. She had 1&1/2 feet in the grave, but I saved her. What a great color. My current shark is an 89 5-spd that needed much less work initially but I'm still perfecting after 2 yrs.

[@kalimanelhombreincreible865]

The Greatest Boxer/Fighter Ever Salvador Sanchez From Mexico . Was Killed In A Car Accident In A Porshe 928 In Mexico . At Age 23 . Good Video ! . Curstion : What Year Was His Car And How Much Worth Was It In Dollars When He Died . Gracias/Thanks . From Gusdalajara Mexico .

[@HernanSpeed]

Saludos desde Miami!

[@icsamerica]

The early cars do have a clarity and lightness that just doesn't exist on the later bloated models.

[@HernanSpeed]

I definitely love the early models, the easier maintenance is also a massive plus! 💯💯 If I lived close to the autobahn in Germany, I might think see things differently. Here in Miami, there’s no way to really push the later cars…too much traffic. Thanks for watching man! 👊👊

[@fred-ov3hh]

why a big price difference between 83 and 84 . could've bought one in 90s for cheap even though I knew they would skyrocket go up price, but couldn't trade my daily

[@HernanSpeed]

The price differences are more dependent on condition. With the age of these cars, lots can happen throughout the decades. Thanks for watching brother 👊👊

[@jonasirw1]

The shape of the backside of the one from risky business was always super ugly looking.. theydid gradually enhance it but it's never been close to the appeal of the 911

[@928pcar]

The 928 certainly didn’t catch on like Porsche thought it would in the US market, even though it is better than the 911 in almost every way. Faster, safer, quieter, etc etc

[@HernanSpeed]

Styles/tastes change over time. Search Continental Orange 928, I can definitely see why more and more people are starting to appreciate it more.

[@msill5684]

I'm not buying this video. The only early 928's that are selling for a major premium are ones that are in exceptional original condition with low miles that may have some added provenance. In general, early 928's are not selling for anything near what a decent GT or GTS would sell for.

[@HernanSpeed]

Well, no one is asking you to buy anything… I go by completed auction prices on “nice” examples. When you see an early 928 selling under $25k, that’s a project car that will need many thousands put into it. Thanks for watching 👊👊

[@dinsdalepiranha2333]

The Risky Business 928 sale was money laundering at it's best.

[@HernanSpeed]

Naww. Buyer is known, it even just resold again. That’s baby-money compared to some other car’s. Many older 911’s exchange for much higher amounts

[@drunvert]

Anyone paying MORE for an Early 928 is an idiot. The automatic is garbage. Wiring is a disaster. Be prepared to do a full resto

[@HernanSpeed]

Yesss, that’s why I always tell people to skip 928 restoration projects! You can spend $20k on the interior alone….and have it look “So-So”. Even crazier is that most ‘low mileage’ 928’s just have had the odometer broken. That’s why when a real low-miles unicorn 928 pops up for sale, the people go crazy for it 💯💯 The early 3-speed auto was smooth, but definitely slooowww. Thanks for watching man! 👊👊