Truth-telling? Whose version?

[@normanmazlin6741]

Two years ago the PM, Albanese, said that Australia needs more truth tellers like Bruce Pascoe, the discredited, self identifying indigenous author. So much for Urulu Truth Telling.

[@peterjames174]

I loved dark emu was really, I the aboriginal is a really good book, it was written about an indigenous life goes into detail, reading about William barrack is good too.

[@briananderson7285]

Dark Emeu is fiction 100 %fiction.

[@peterjames174]

it's backed up with references so not fictional

[@briananderson7285]

@@peterjames174 exaggeration an exploitation of facts is fiction.

[@rosstatam16]

​@@peterjames174I encourage you to read "Bitter Harvest" by Peter O'Brien. He thoroughly analyses Bruce Pascoe's book including researching all of the references

[@tlb2970]

For all the Wokies . I would like to pay my respects to elders past and present.

To the Italian elders that built our roads, railways and telecommunications infrastructure.

To the Greek and Turkish elders for giving us the tasty kebab shops.

To the Jewish elders that gave us all the Westfield shopping centres and Meriton apartments.

To the Chinese elders that gave us all the $2 shops. To the Irish elders that gave us all the great Irish pubs … To the Indian elders who gave us great Curries. To the English elders who gave us Cricket. To the Irish elders who gave us so much Humour . To the Japanese elders who gave great Cars. To the Elders from all over the World who have given so much to Australia . And I would like to add: to all of the above who have been hard working and provided much of the country’s GDP; and Finally to Indigenous elders who have given us ????????????????????? Oh yes the Smoking ceremony ? Also to all the diggers who died for our freedom and many more. We are one, but we are many 🎶🎼🎵

[@maurice7783]

To the Aboriginals who brought us arts that puts in over 40 million dollars into the Australian economy and the aboriginal tourist centers and holy grounds like Uluru brings in millions to the Australian economy. Try using your sense before typing nonsense, common sense is truly not common.

[@tlb2970]

@@maurice7783 what about the diggers who sacrificed their lives for our freedom common sense?

[@anthonycarr7466]

Clever use of the word ‘elders’. However, I could try to be clever about use of the term ‘Lest we forget’ in a new context. Neither attempt at cleverness would be respectful though. The term elder is one of respect. The Voice conversation is fraught because strong emotions are involved. My support for a Yes vote is based on respect and a view that people need to be involved in the solution to problems that plague that group in particular. Wesley Airdrop is quietly respectful in his presentation.

[@leaffyTrees]

Well said. So true.

[@leaffyTrees]

@@maurice7783 Their art was the hand paintings, the dot painting came from Indonesia and was taught to the Aboriginal people by a white artist in 1976. Many of the Aboriginal art is being topped up by white artists. Mainly because they cannot be bothered to finish them.

[@RossJones-w5z]

The truth telling I want to hear is what happens now day to day in remote communities across the top end. Grog fuelled violence and abuse on their own people, I watched it first hand for three years in the Pilbara and from what I hear it has only got worse.

[@kevinclarke68]

Same

[@kathrynletchford5114]

Yeh. That truth telling is not allowed. Lol..

[@sidmar200]

Thank You for the Clarity and Truth that You are presenting. Excellent.

[@deniserothwell6325]

I am third gen Aussie of Irish decent. My family were poor and worked hard all their lives. Its very sad we will be dragged mud. My family was very anti racists and had good hearts and had nothing to do with past wrongs.

[@Jcremo]

Most Australians have a similar heritage. The vast, vast majority of us have parents, grandparents and great grandparents who were born overseas, lived in hardship under some other oppressor and came here for freedom. We have nothing to do with the inherited wound.

[@secretdiva9414]

No Aboriginal person or community wants to blame the current Australians for the past atrocities. People need the current population to actually hear the truth and respond to it with wisdom and understanding. Acknowledge the current effects caused by it and teach that truth to their children in schools and at home. Then move forward with the pride of knowing they live with the only continuous culture in human history, and know that they’re doing their part in supporting and embracing its future.

[@deniserothwell6325]

@@secretdiva9414 Yes I believe that to be true with the majority of people. I do feel that the gov has a sinister agenda behind all of this pushed on them by WEF and the UN. For decades now middle class and upper middle class have been primed with this Woke agenda. Which is actually neo Marxism whether they know it or not. But the elites are using this to carry out their own agenda which is a take over of western societies. If they get it through they will throw everyone under the bus. A very good book is Americas Cultural Revolution which tracks the history of neo Marxism to the 60s up to present day.

[@unbearableunbearable2740]

@@secretdiva9414 "No Aboriginal person or community wants to blame the current Australians for the past atrocities". The YES crowd are all about blame and reparations.

[@karenvecsei4217]

Three Generations are the Entitled. Handed everything through their great parents and parents

[@onlytimewilltell204]

Im White and my ancestors go back over 65,000 yrs aswell out of Africa and we all belong to this world now does this make me special or anymore entitled than anyone elses right to exist in fair and productive society

[@mangoman9290]

It always makes me laugh when someone prattles 'we have 70000 years of history...' the rest of human civilization didn't just pop out of a flower pot a couple of thousand years ago, our ancestors have been on this rock just as long.

[@Ed_Downunder]

I am a traditional Londonia man from the ancient land of Britain. My lands and tribe were invaded, enslaved and violated by the Romans. We regained our independence until the Viking invaded and plundered, first all our Christian sacred places and wealth, then they took our women and killed our men. The Vikings were eventually vanquished. But is that really true. Lets fact check. The statement that the Vikings were eventually vanquished from Britain is technically correct, but it is a bit misleading. The Vikings did not simply disappear from Britain after the Battle of Stamford Bridge in 1066. They continued to live and work in England, and their influence can still be seen in many aspects of British culture today. The Vikings first arrived in Britain in the late 8th century. They were a seafaring people from Scandinavia who were skilled warriors and traders. They quickly established themselves in parts of England, Ireland, and Scotland, and they often raided and plundered these countries. In the early 10th century, the Vikings began to settle in England more permanently. They founded a number of towns and cities, including York (which they called Jorvik) and Dublin. They also intermarried with the local population, and their language and culture began to have a significant impact on English society. In 1066, the Vikings were defeated by the English at the Battle of Stamford Bridge. This marked the end of the Viking Age in England, but it did not mean the end of the Vikings in Britain. Many Vikings remained in England, and they continued to play an important role in English society. The Vikings had a lasting impact on Britain. They introduced new technologies, such as the longship, and they helped to develop the English language. Their influence can also be seen in place names, such as Grimsby and Derby. So, while it is true that the Vikings were eventually vanquished from Britain, their legacy continues to this day. There was no truth telling only history. England rose to become the British Empire (Plenty of historical facts in there). What followed from the conquest of the Vikings in the thirteenth century was a gift to the world. The Magna Carta was signed in 1215, in the 13th century. It was a document guaranteeing English political liberties that was drafted at Runnymede, a meadow by the River Thames, and signed by King John on June 15, 1215, under pressure from his rebellious barons. The Magna Carta is considered to be one of the most important documents in English history. It established the principle that the king was not above the law, and it guaranteed certain rights to the barons and freemen of England. The Magna Carta was reissued several times in the following years, and it continued to be a significant influence on English law and government. The Magna Carta is also considered to be one of the most significant documents in the history of democracy. It helped to establish the principle that the government should be based on the consent of the governed, and it set limits on the power of the monarch. The Magna Carta's influence can be seen in many of the democratic constitutions that have been adopted around the world. Truth telling would have a detrimental effect on the history of the world if it were allowed the opportunity to rewrite history. Truth telling is a misnomer, it is code for something insidious.

[@leaffyTrees]

Well said, we all had a history, not always good. My ancestors were invaded (truely invaded) also. They had the sense to capitalise and build on the new opportunities, not stay in the stone age and try to kill the golden goose who have been supporting them for the last 50 year. The Aboriginal people are good people but they are been played by a communist fiddle.

[@Reginaldesq]

The issue I have with this line of thinking is. You get invaded, your entire family is killed but they give you good roads, so, you should say thank you?

[@Ed_Downunder]

@@Reginaldesq Oh! You don't agree. That's OK. My comment was just a A soliloquy. The logic of saying thank you will need more research.

[@Reginaldesq]

@@Ed_Downunder I dont think its soliloquy if you post it.

[@Ed_Downunder]

@@Reginaldesq You may have a technical point, but it does not rely on it being a post. We can characterise it as a monologue of sorts. As you know, a monologue is a long speech by one person delivered to an audience or to oneself. My monologue is reflective and introspective, which are qualities of a soliloquy. The importance is the message, some agree, some do not. That is the nature of social media. ❤❤❤

[@edwin5419]

10 of my direct ancestors came here in chains. 2 on the First Fleet. I don't see why that means I have to pay reparations.

[@equallyaustralian]

Thanks for your great work.

[@thepiggishshow]

Always a pleasure listening to you, mate

[@davidjohn8589]

VOTE NO WRITEN NO .. Then Albanese back in his place unemployed

[@nickj1968]

I think most non indigenous Australians fear that we are going to hear a selective truth, which will only add to the nihilism of modern Australia. Sure, a lot of bad stuff happened but there's a hundred times as much good done. Focusing on the bad stuff will perpetuate victimhood and tribalism.

[@rossevans1774]

We just gotta be careful of whose truth we want to believe.

[@anordenaryman.7057]

I have always found it incredibly racist (for lack of a better word) that truth telling does not speak of the aboriginals who live far better lives now than their ancestors could have ever dreamed of. Never mind the fact that no modern aboriginal would ever seriously consider living the life of a nomadic bushman like they all lived 200 years ago. Isn't that the most fundamental truth?

[@karenvecsei4217]

Are you referring to ABORIGINALS in NSW. Which State? I find your comments nasty and malicious

[@wyattfamily8997]

@@karenvecsei4217 Or maybe just "truthful".

[@MA-nm2tv]

Not all of them live what we would call a good life. Depends where they live.

[@karenvecsei4217]

@@MA-nm2tv Thanks

[@anordenaryman.7057]

@@MA-nm2tv You are correct. But equally, not all of them live the bad life either. So why does truth telling only focus on half the truth? The whole truth would be far more fair on everyone.

[@terryjackson3586]

You are so right, in everything you said. If anyone wants to feel sorry for themselves, for injustices that nobody here today carried out or were recipients of. I feel so sorry for their miserable life. How can you teach others to be good people.

[@allmighty736]

The truth is the Uluru statement is 120 pages long and the prime minister hasn't read it

[@anthonycarr7466]

The Uluru Statement is one page, 469 words. Other pages are records of the discussion around it. Also did say that he had not read the other 120 pages. At least that part of your comment is true.

[@pookeyhutchison7838]

Liar @@anthonycarr7466

[@jonh9561]

@@anthonycarr7466 Have you read the whole document, or at least the first 26 pages? I only ask because your description of it does not tally with the document that was realeased by the National Indigenous Australians Agency under a freedom of information request.

[@saintsone7877]

@@anthonycarr7466 Anthony, a co-author of the Uluru statement for several years stated it was 18 pages long and the one page is merely a synopsis NOT the actual statement. That 18 pages has an additional 100+ pages of records of discussions, ideas etc that were considered. In fact the co-author stated that the one page is more akin to a painting than a real statement. Of course, in the spirit of truth telling, after more than 2 years of stating this to all and sundry she did , after prompting from AlboSleasy, state it was only 1 page. However, many taped interviews are on record where she and others who contributed to the statement, clearly stated it was 18 pages long NOT one page. If you or others such as yourself, who are pushing the Voice(a means to an end NOT an advisory body) cannot tell the truth about the Uluru statement then what confidence can the rest of us have in truth telling especially when some who are doing the truth telling have ZERO Aboriginal ancestry? Everything is a rort perpetrated by those who have for 50 years prevented the gap from closing sufficiently to allow resources to now be used to progress rather than still being wasted on closing a gap that can NEVER close whilst so many involved in the Aboriginal movement are captured by the past? Listened to a press conference with Lidia Thorpe the other day and almost everything she stated was just lie after lie without even an attempt to conceal the lies or at least make them sound genuine. Delusion was a better description than truth telling. For the Aboriginal people to close the gap etc the VOICE must NOT be implemented as it is a backward step not a forward step. Apartheid/discrimination is NEVER a good thing.

[@brucewoods9377]

@@anthonycarr7466and your authority for claiming it is only one page? Or is it just that Albanese said so and that is good enough for you?

[@timbrown8581]

Thank you for your common sense approach to a very one sided issue. As Australians we should be proud of our history, the acceptance of all races and the huge developments for a young nation! Yes, there were some difficult times, both involving aboriginal and non-aboriginal, where harm was instigated by ethier side. However if you constantly re-live a one sided victim's attitude, your heart will be filled with hatred towards others. That is what we are seeing with some of the YES activists.

[@barito7]

According to chatGPT more than 7 million people moved to Australia after WW2. There has been at least two generations since then. I am trying to understand what truth telling will mean to them and how this will affect an eventual treaty?

[@karenvecsei4217]

Who The Italians? Say who you mean

[@karenvecsei4217]

@@leaffyTrees Give up Land? If a person does own Land how can he give it up? Do you own Land? Or just own a Home?

[@karenvecsei4217]

@@leaffyTrees Don't lie. Aboriginals worked on the Station and weren't paid wages. White Australia and the Hidden Black History Suste

[@davidstokes8441]

Australia opened its doors to many European refugees - Maltese, Italian, Greek., from the Balkans, the Uk,, Holland, so no, not just the italians. And Oh Boy, am I glad they did.@@karenvecsei4217

[@aussierecharge9083]

If you are serious, It is because of trauma inflicted through the generations. Its one thing to migrate by choice, Its another thing to be pushed out via government intervention. www.communityservices.act.gov.au/children-and-families/adoption-kinship-and-foster-care/therapeutic-resources/understanding-intergenerational-trauma#:~:text=Intergenerational%20trauma%20is%20when%20the,see%20Trauma%20Poster%20on%20Epigenetics). The mental health issues have persisted and then government intervention means that the children are taken from the parents and the trauma cycle restarts. Because we don't develop mental health and AOD service is First Nations Languages, It's really difficult to drive change and break that cycle.

[@Victors-Justice]

Thank you for encouraging people to think for themselves and highlighting important information.

[@rossevans1774]

The people of Australia both black and white that did not experience the brutality that was committed by both black and white during European colonisation of Australia have nothing to reconcile. We can all recognise the injustices that occurred, but to continually and constantly use these historical injustices to create unnecessary division serves no-one. Today's black and white Australians that face the same hardships of modern life need to move on. If this seemingly never-ending dividing of the Australian people continues as it has, in another 200 years the division and disagreement that is occurring now will still exist. To maintain the equality of ALL Australians regardless of when, how and the circumstances of why they arrived in this country, I vote NO!

[@bigboy9693]

The stolen generation is actually the saved generation.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

This is racist garbage. Read some of the stories of survivors before you spout such nonsense.

[@cobar5342]

Yep. Just look at Alice Springs right now

[@harpermcalpineblack8573]

Just found this channel. Moderate, reasoned arguments without recourse to emotional blackmail or wishful thinking. Appreciated. Thanks.

[@patriot77185]

How will we EVER know what is the truth or False ???? Thanks for the video.

[@KittyWhiplash959]

Thank you. If we focus only on the trauma how will we find a united way into the future which hears all voices and has space for all perspectives? I want a future that is positive, provides space for healing and all peoples, past, future and present to be heard. I find it hard to see how this proposed way does any of that.

[@petergilbert3861]

Very thoughtful. The focus should be on how we all move forward. Truth and reality are complex concepts

[@rossevans1774]

This 'truth telling' is not only very selective with the truth, but it also completely omits the 'truths' that do not put our black fellow indigenous Australians in let's say, a favourable light!

[@MrMattias87]

Well yeah you're right, you can't really bring back those from the past who has experienced these things. The only thing that they can go off by is historical sources but it appears that's being misrepresented so that it can fit the victimhood narrative of today's authorities. Which that in itself is a strawman and a definist fallacy.

[@peterjames174]

I read a book about William Barack and then watch an sbs program about William it was slightly different , Warren Mundane explained really well what is happening within the indigenous community, so many things are already in place, 100% of the funding needs to go to the indigenous the 37% reaching the indigenous is really disturbing..

[@yt.damian]

Govt can only hope to achieve a 50% efficiency rate. 37% is probably pretty much average.

[@seekerout]

The truth is that human history has been pretty brutal on the whole. All of us have ancestors who probably suffered invasions, serfdom/slavery, famines, war, plagues, etc. It's good to study what went before, and part of that should include recognising injustices and human suffering. But it's not healthy to internalise it as a personal injury.

[@andreaconnelly3799]

Thank you 🙏

[@warwicklewis8735]

Truth telling is not the same thing as telling the truth.

[@nickj1968]

Unfortunately you are right

[@Bill-gs1ms]

Ever since white people came here aboriginals have had a better life Ie, constant food Clothing and shoes Health and medical Omg the list goes on And, most tribes fought each other

[@pookeyhutchison7838]

That is the real truth telling but they will not hear of it like the Dud on this video here.

[@mitchjames9350]

@@pookeyhutchison7838how is a dud?

[@pookeyhutchison7838]

No prizes for second best Dud. When your IQ hits 20 please sell.@@mitchjames9350

[@karenvecsei4217]

You'll be no good at truth Telling. Ostrich with its head in the sand

[@onlytimewilltell204]

But what's all the perks mean in a nomadic society that didnt need those things but to loose your freedom

[@Mevlinous]

Imagine, if truth telling was pointed not in the outward direction, but in the inward direction, imagine the change that could happen then. Maybe trying a little Dadirri…

[@jonh9561]

You're right, there could be a lot to be gained from committing to that. Not sure if it's unversally practised, but a good suggestion nevertheless.

[@barryford1482]

This is the most divisive part of the Uluru Voice and I'm glad you have touched on it. This truth telling is vile and will divide Australia because there is a vast difference between some verbal Aboriginal accounts and real documented accounts of what happened. I find it astounding that a few colonists with muskets kill far more people than the Aboriginal spears. A musket takes two minutes to load while a spear can be thrown at a very fast rate. Napolian believed his army would be better placed to use archery for war. Even today a sharpened weopon within six meters is more dangerous than a modern firearm and Police will shoot today before that six meters is closed. The Colonists had only muskets till 1860

[@warwicklewis8735]

There is more to a battle than guns and spears. Don't underestimate the advantage of horses against an unmounted enemy. Or the strength of discipline against an angry disorganised mob. Also the British understood tactics and strategies. They also used tribal rivalries to recruit native police who then helped them to suppress the "wild blacks". Guns may have played a part but only a small one. A Roman legion or a regiment of crusaders could just as easily (if not more easily) defeated a mob of blackfellas

[@LlywellynOBrien]

This is one of the most poorly informed things I have read in a long time. We have huge volumes of documented evidence of killings, massacres and other crimes committed during colonisation. In many cases we have written records from the colonial administrators or others involved in these actions. The verbal accounts are, as any historian would tell you, also very valuable in working out what happened. No serious historian of any stripe holds views even in the neighbourhood of what you've said here.

[@barryford1482]

@@LlywellynOBrien There were killings on both sides and there were massacres on both sides. and there were massacres between Aboriginal tribes too. Of course if you believe Bruce Pasco fiction the Aboriginals lived in peace. If that is the case why did the Aboriginals have shields? Maybe to protect themselves from drop bears

[@warwicklewis8735]

@@LlywellynOBrien actually there is a lot of evidence that the so called "massacres" have been greatly exagerated and the numbers inflated. It may not be the politically popular opinion among a heavily left wing biased academic and media complex. In almost every account the numbers of deaths seem to increase in direct proportion to the distance in time from the event. In every case the oral history version is grossly exaggerated. The hard evidence of actual archaeological findings does not agree with the myth of large scale killings. We would expect to find large numbers of bodies with serious musket ball or sword wounds. Or pits filled with hastily disposed of bodies thrown in. But these have not been found. The physical evidence does not support the claims of large scale slaughter.

[@Reginaldesq]

@@warwicklewis8735 Agree. The difference is clearly illustrated by the maori of NZ. They won battles because they were well versed in the art of war and well knew what was going on.

[@elizabethsiebel2807]

Thank you Wesley, your stories truly reflect on issues in a good, respectful way, and to a large extent does ease the burden of pressure we are paced under. I loved the story about the "naked" emperor. My grandmother used to tell us stories like that and that was her way of educating us about life issues.

[@russellritchings8082]

The first act of aggression was most likely a spear thrown from an aboriginal man. I bet that does not come out in their truth telling.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

Lol, even if true, which is very unlikely, this is like a thief having a sook to the police because the homeowner threw the first punch.

[@russellritchings8082]

@@LlywellynOBrien okay, then did captain Cook spear himself when they landed at what is known today as Cooktown. My bad, cook was not injured at Cooktown.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

@@russellritchings8082 Hey again Russell, I am afraid you might be misremembering. As far as I know Cook was never injured in Australia. At Cooktown things were pretty peaceful beyond one scuffle during which he ordered warning shots and one Indigenous man was hurt (though not too badly it seems). There was violence both ways in the earliest interactions between Europeans and Aboriginals. No one seriously denies that. There were even some very brutal reprisals by Indigenous people that are deeply troubling, and are acknowledged as such by all sides. None of this takes away from the right of Indigenous people to mount a defence of their lands against clearly hostile armed colonisers. If an alien ship rocked up tomorrow armed to the teeth and claimed the planet for some distant power, we'd be fully justified in fighting back.

[@Reginaldesq]

@@russellritchings8082 Pretty sure it was the Hawaiian's who speared that enemy of Australia (hero to England). I guess the Hawaiian's recognised the threat posed by a Naval officer arriving on their shores.

[@kevinsmith3671]

Write NO.

[@marksmart9754]

Lots of comments on truth. But one side relies on written history with diaries reports and comments from the day accessible from documents. The other side relies on stories passed down generation to generation. One side shows everything. The other has the ability to “forget” to pass on anything detrimental to their point of view.

[@credenza1]

The Statement, in both its short and full versions, proposes creation of a punitive and venal legal weapon to be used in perpetuity against living people who mean Aboriginal people no harm and who actively support them financially and symbolically in innumerable ways. Such a path is misconceived and contrary to the wisdom of all spiritual traditions, and cannot lead to a good resolution.

[@BigGen222]

So well said. It's quite an upsetting document to be honest.

[@karenvecsei4217]

​@@BigGen222Are you referring to ONE PAGE as a DOCUMENT?

[@wyattfamily8997]

Very well said.

[@BigGen222]

​@@karenvecsei4217it's a 26 page document, Document 14. Have a read of it.

[@karenvecsei4217]

@@leaffyTrees Aboriginal as in singular or Aboriginal as in plural? Most people refer to 1 Aboriginal as plural Aboriginals

[@bettymestric7104]

Well balanced commentary. I suggest that truth telling will be pretty much one sided. How many people have read our history of the founding of this country. I recommend a good book to read is Sydney Cove 1788 compiled by John Cobley, a day by day record of all events from different perspectives from original documents. Makes one realise that the founding of the country was no easy task, considering the hardships encountered during the long voyage Even after landing there was no certainty of ever returning for any of the officers, crew or of course the convicts. Of course the arrival of the strangers would have been a shock to the original inhabitants. There was no brutality to the native people as a matter of policy. From my reading most wanted to share in the .improved implements, such as hatchets given to them. All in all it hasn't been all bad for indigenous people ,considering their precarious lifestyle before colonisation. .

[@AnotherDoug]

Not sure everyone would agree: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

[@pattyb6003]

Truth and Reconciliation = Half truth and no reconciliation.

[@markjohnston9017]

Love your work wesley.

[@1969cmp]

'...picking at a scab...', hmm, simple but clever.

[@ThomasLouttit]

Monte Carlo Biscuits (my other favourite) and coffee, tea for me please, no milk, no sugar .... Cheers mate, love your new presentation. I find 'the potential is in the difference', if there is no difference, then, there is no potential, and the battery is 'flat' or 'dead', so to speak. What an amazing opportunity Australia has presented before itself. To see the differences, capture the potential, to generate and empower a common rich future for all people who call Australia home.

[@onlytimewilltell204]

Oh please don't start on those heart stoppers and boycott Arnott's they woke owned by now!

[@lat-roc9733]

I love your work.

[@Rob-pi9go]

The truth is captured in the history books how bout we actually teach it. Paying out for our ancestors history does not resolve anything.

[@cobar5342]

I would like some 'Truth Telling'. Like where does the $33 billion each year really go?

[@maccart67]

Thank you.

[@ThomasAllen90]

And to think, i honestly thought they meant Truth, and was looking forward to learning more, as its so difficult to get good information.

[@gardengnome3249]

As a scout back in the 1960s an exercise was held where 20 of us stood in a line and had to repeat a sentence given to the first in line. The sentence, which was written on a piece of paper, and kept by the scout master was subsequently passed verbally down the line through the 20 scouts. The end result was nothing like the written words. Nothing. Tell me the aborigines word of mouth exactly their dream time tales and lore. Just like any civilisation who did this what is being spoken in 2023 I doubt was spoken 30,000 years ago.

[@ianthompson3360]

Truth telling is nothing but lies and hatred of the better lives we all have

[@bono1961]

I see the number of views has been 5 thousand it should be 25 million. Everyone needs to hear what you have to say.

[@michaelharvest931]

It’s a shame this truth telling won’t mention the prisoners that were taken from their land, and forced to make new lives… never to return to their homelands.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

Oh yeah, because that story never gets any airtime.

[@Mark70609]

The truth is a series of facts with emotional weights attached to them. Thus despite the purity we attach to the word, the true is personal and subjective and not really that truthful.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

1:08 This statement is false. The success or failure of the Voice and the proposed truth-telling processes are not linked. If the Voice gets up, it does not nessecitate a formal truth telling process, and the Voice failing wouldn't prevent the government from beginning such a process the next day. The only reason the two are linked is because this is what was requested thought the extensive consultation process.

[@BradoQ]

That is exactly what i thought it would be... and taking on board fake stories of frontier wars... just vote NO!

[@pkd6369]

labor are like Ebay "everything is for sale"

[@AR-fh2uh]

I am a "white guy" and a little ignorant on truth telling, but I think the good the bad and the ugly should be told as Australian history. All of it, including what was done to the Chinese, Italians, Greeks, women, to kids by the church etc. Let's learn from the past and move forward stronger together.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

Agreed, this is why a truth telling process is important. No one denies the good, which is already acknowledged frequently. But many Australians have never seriously processed the horrors of colonisation, and often say things about Indigenous communities and people that show a deep ignorance of this. Like the Royal Commision into child abuse, a truth telling process would reveal or cast light on very very painful things, but it will help us move forward.

[@AR-fh2uh]

@LlywellynOBrien i think this should have been done already, and I can not understand who could stand by keeping historical facts in the shadows. My vote on changes to the constitution remains a firm no, but acknowledgement and acceptance is important.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

@@AR-fh2uh I am glad that you are taking a thoughtful approach to this. I am firmly convinced of the merits of the yes case, but am very happy for people to disagree. I think there are reasonably good reasons to vote no, even if I don't find them convincing. I just object to people being mislead about what we are voting on and what it means. I am also very worried about the surge of racist discourse being thrown around. I know there are no voters and advocates who have no time for this stuff and have condemned it, but boy is it still thriving in social media.

[@AR-fh2uh]

@LlywellynOBrien if the referendum was to change the preamble to include history and traditional owners, I'd be all for it. But the voice creates more racial division that was deliberately removed from the constitution in the 1967 referendum. All Australians should be equal, all disadvantaged should be supported. Race should be considered and respected during the implementation of policy at the local level.

[@Mark70609]

I know it’s not a popular view, but the reality is colonialism was the flavour of that time and someone was always going to travel to Australia and take it. It just happened to be the English. I have noticed that closing the gap is getting mentioned a lot, but progress is being made, but not at the rate they want.

[@SethEvans-r2j]

Umnum sanctum worth $70trillion per year. Ignorance with impunity it is not!

[@antidepressant11]

We need an Uluru statement from the heart and brain.

[@Gumbatron01]

The post-colonial theory that "truth telling" is based on cannot be separated from its deep Marxist roots. It is merely an excuse to subject non-aboriginal people to Maoist struggle sessions. But ones that they cannot ever reform to resolve a the oppression was historical.

[@freakyaussy]

There you go again , those bloody biscuits lol. Now i have the craving haha

[@quovadis9900]

Why people keep bring back 17 th centuries colonialism misfortune alive again. Indigenous australia is not unique in terms of being colonised. Why don't move on. People can't keep draging the centuries past for an excuse of their misfortune or failure today to take care themselves. If indigenous australia got too drunk his whole life than blaming long ago colonialism, for me it sounds like made up excuses. Australia colonisation was not unique. The reason people don't want to move on is self pity and unwilling to accept the challenge to compete fairly with others. Look Korea was badly occupied by Japan, look how far the country progressing. Don't be weak and self pity.

[@karlm9584]

Truth telling is the way that the agenda of complete separation of the indigenous from the Australian commonwealth and the Crown will be explained and justified to the Australian people. Ordinarily, Australians would never agree to the re-formation and recognition of the autonomous and sovereign first nation states, but if the truth telling is shrill enough, I suppose they think we will.

[@michaelmolloy365]

I'm getting more than a little irked that people who are hesitant about voting Yes are automatically being labelled as racists by a growing percentage of the Yes camp. Is it racist to want to design and build something with solid foundations that will last and be effective? Fairy dust and good intentions do not build lasting institutions. The broader Australian community in my view should be being informed about traditional indigenous society. Having spent years living and working in remote parts of Australia I keep seeing dominant families benefitting over the rest of the community. Any thoughts on this and how ineffective programmes and funding are in that type of climate? I'd be very interested to hear your perspective because I really don't think main stream Australia has any real understanding of Aboriginal social culture.

[@rossevans1774]

Truth telling by black indigenous Australians is only concerned with the injustices committed by the first Europeans to Australia. Why doesn't this truth telling include the injustices committed by black indigenous Australians against the first European inhabitants of Australia? Why doesn't it talk about the poverty, starvation, hardship and miserable destitution indigenous Australians existed/lived with before European arrival? Why doesn't it talk about the massive decrease in infant mortality since European arrival? Why doesn't it talk about things like the massive increase in life expectancy of the black indigenous population of Australia? This 'truth telling' nonsense is very selective in the truth it conveniently prefers to tell.

[@jamesphillips2285]

In Canada the genocide of Indigenous people is ongoing. So that implies that everybody is able to remember what is happening because it is ongoing. Based on the Urulu statement: the genocide is on-going in Australia as well. "Proportionally, we are the most incarcerated people on the planet. We are not an innately criminal people. Our children are aliened from their families at unprecedented rates. This cannot be because we have no love for them. And our youth languish in detention in obscene numbers. They should be our hope for the future." Wholesale extermination is not the only way to carry out a genocide. From the UN's"Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide": "Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." Separating children from their families is explicitly included.

[@frasermiller-bz3qf]

In about 1956-7 I was a boy of about 14 in a cinema as a guest of my Aunt and her family. It was probably Atherton, my birth place and her residence, but could have been nearby. It was a theatre with a mezzanine, to half way and regular theatre seats. I sat in a spare seat in the middle ground floor. Before long there were shreiks of abbo lover, boong something etc. I saw I had sat next to an aboriginal girl of similar age. I didn't move but that didn't help, the girl moved away. There was also overt racism on the Gold Coast in a Chinese cafe about 1972 to 74, when I was with wife and two young daughters. And in New Guinea in 1965 at Goroka when my workers and I were not allowed to have a farewell drink from the same bar, we had to get their drinks from the back area and sit on the grass/dirt. What was an appropriate action at these times? Even now I don't know. Move from the seat by the girl, assault the publican and the deadbeat ex-serviceman in the Cafe. But I still remember them with guilt for not doing something better. So don't ever say there is no racism in Oz, but what to do for the future, truth telling, I doubt that alone.

[@gerrycooper56]

Chinese whispers

[@antidepressant11]

I think you are a no voter. That's my guess. Actually I wish you would just come out and say that. You want us to think for ourselves. Actually I don't think we need to research. The yes campaign haven't got a clear enough agenda. Why vote yes when we don't know what their specific plans are. Treaty and truth telling worry me too.

[@1969cmp]

I like that he doesn't state openly one way or the other which way he will vote, if he does vote at all. It means I can share his video with my friends who are both yes and no.

[@antidepressant11]

@@1969cmp he might be manipulating us to vote no. Feigning an open mind. 😃 I'm voting no anyway.

[@1969cmp]

I think he is wise.@@antidepressant11

[@jonh9561]

If you can't tell what Wesley's politics are then he is doing his job well and it's a pity that the media cannot do the same e.g. The Gaurdian whose biase is too obvious.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

He says to do your research, but only after repeating a bunch of lies being used by the no campaign.

[@Jcremo]

Have you read Dark Emu by Bruce Pascoe? I would love your thoughts. I read Young Dark Emu to my kids. Wonderfully illustrated and beautifully told, I genuinely enjoyed it thinking that perhaps I had been taught lies about historic aboriginal culture being nomadic and not agricultural but this book claims an agricultural heritage. I looked into the author a bit and I’m not so sure his claims are accurate.

[@robertfonovic3551]

Pascoe is a fraud and a grifter

[@Jcremo]

@@robertfonovic3551yes, that is the sense I got after looking into him a bit.

[@kathrynletchford5114]

He is fake, and he pulled the info for his book out of his butt.