Trying the original Isaac game

I streamed The Binding of Isaac. The original binding of Isaac, the 2011 one, before rebirth. Does the original Isaac still hold up? I don't know, but it was interesting.
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[@KillysuntDLC]

For the new people since this got more views than expected 2 years later, I'm not trying to prove I'm good at games with these vids. (I'm not)💀 I've played a lot of Rebirth & went into this blind, not knowing about eternal enemies / hard mode, controller not working very well etc. I'm a bit clueless on some of the items/trinkets because they're early game ones in Rebirth & that game has hundreds more, played a bunch of mods etc too. Anyway, I'm working towards 100%ing this version on stream & the channel: Follow up vids - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn_LmXiLl8uMg7Msi=MKmjddg-PNo_VppE kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYC6f6idf6ihqtksi=__9zGbpcj50aPikG

[@jokesflyovermyhead7491]

ok lol

[@Alexander_graves13]

Alr

[@smugmari]

awesome!!

[@cypher1160]

I’d watch a series trying to complete wrath of the lamb

[@blopgfe1199]

The orginal has the faces different like the fly guys at the first scene squint there eyes and open there mouth dramatically

[@thebeatleswin1]

“What is this item?” “Why did I unlock this thing?” “What does this item do?” “I have 1000 hours in isaac rebirth” Bro how

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@thebeatleswin1 Genuine answer other than the differences between flash/rebirth, general ditziness etc is that I had about 30 hours from years before I actually got into Rebirth & completed it so I probably skipped on a lot of the basic early game items & unlocks, which pretty much make up the flash game. I'm on my way to 100%ing this version now so we're getting there

[@jakethespartn6712]

Lying

[@redruby111]

I have memory issues and I have many hours on this game

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@jakethespartn6712 My steam profile is public & I've streamed at the very least 100 of the hours. 💀

[@JacobTheCroc]

The only reason I have the original done in 100% and the sequel not is because this game doesn't have dumbass daily challange achivements.

[@KillysuntDLC]

I didn't have too much of a big issue with them, are they bugged?

[@JacobTheCroc]

@@KillysuntDLC For some reason my game bugged then and even after 30 days of winning I still didn't get them. Might just cheat at one point and get them.

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@JacobTheCroc Might be the way, you don't have to win for the 30 days ones btw just so you know though, losses count too

[@JacobTheCroc]

@@KillysuntDLC thanks for the tip

[@isaacologyYT]

@@JacobTheCroc this is old but if you didnt cheat them in or dont know how to there is an achievement command so you can just look up where the 3 daily unlocked items are in the secrets menu then open the console and type "achievement [insert secret placement number here]" and it gives it to you. mine was bugged too so i just did that

[@aplenope]

14:45 ed and the creator danny b, had a falling out. he also composed the super meat boy soundtrack, which the re-released version in 2015's soundtrack had to be changed.

[@mafialuciano]

dude thats me in the thumbnail

[@Solaire919]

Awesome sauce dude 😀

[@nice__craft]

very cool, you got a shout out!

[@onekoff8480]

Are you tellung me this man played a thousand hours of remake Isaac, and doesn't know how Bob's Rotten Head work?

[@KillysuntDLC]

A bit of a miscalculation on that throw to say the least

[@lithium266]

​@@KillysuntDLC slight one

[@Nikolai__Belinski]

2:15 i cried

[@sirligma3369]

Fun story, I usually play wrath of the lamb because it's unblocked at school and I shit u not I was playing as eve and I got sacred heart from a curse room on the first floor

[@dusk_the_pentumbra]

same

[@dornan7454]

What do you mean it's unblocked at school? You play wotl on a smartphone?

[@dusk_the_pentumbra]

@@dornan7454 on the laptops

[@fercornn]

​@@dornan7454 I think he means those "Unblocked games" websites that has a lot of games like Cookie Clicker, I saw one with wotl on it

[@RayanPes.]

@@dornan7454 it a flash game so you can play it online

[@Lia-ws8wx]

"fuck it, curse room" is your new catchphrase now lmao

[@martiniano5630]

And thats my friends, its the original isaac, much harder than the rebirth

[@KillysuntDLC]

I've played about 50 hours off stream now & I agree it's more difficult, I enjoy both

[@prestigependragon4172]

sais he has over a 1000 hours on isaac, proceeds to play as a first timer ever

[@KillysuntDLC]

Almost 2k on rebirth at this point & still useless in the flash game

[@degoosedump]

@@KillysuntDLC they have not a much differences

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@degoosedump There's a good amount of differences between Repentance & Wrath of the Lamb, especially in hard mode. I've almost 100%'d both by now

[@wiredmind]

I have never seen this version run so smooth wtf

[@banana_]

I think they improved the performance but the input lag is still ass lol

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@banana_ Yeah there is still a tiny bit of lag, it's very noticeable when trying to use joy2key etc so I'd just play with KBM now

[@Magrijack]

I remember playing this to death before rebirth came out. When it did come out, I refused to buy it for so long because I preferred this version because it had the DLC. Once Afterbirth+ came out, I gave Rebirth a chance and realized I was an idiot. I went back and played it myself for a bit and Jesus Christ it’s more difficult than I remembered.

[@vinizinhutop]

I like how you started with the hard difficulty which is tremendously difficult cuz of the eternal mobs that are white and have way more health and have op patterns.

[@KillysuntDLC]

Yeah I don't think I noticed at first but hard mode doesn't fuck around in the original game, it's not too bad in Rebirth

[@lpfan4491]

It was also patched in after Rebirth was already a thing, funnily enough.

[@ziqqerlad]

Killysunt DLC; the less edited long version of Killysunt with the humour intact. at least i found something worth watching while eating

[@rami-lb5he]

Watching this as someone who has never touched rebirth or the dlc i must say this is oddly depressing

[@lusien3309]

Happy man.

[@lusien3309]

I always thought that Rebirth version was played only by those who were already familiar with the 2011 original.

[@KillysuntDLC]

I only really got into Isaac over the past few years personally, after owning Rebirth for a good while. I've played around 50 hours of the 2011 version now off-stream & had some fun with it, it's worth a revisit for it's little differences imo

[@Strakester]

​@@KillysuntDLCI've played Isaac since the very beginning, and I've beaten both games 100% as the DLC came out over the years. Original Isaac had about 4 big updates, the first of which was the "Halloween update" which introduced Sheol, Satan, Mom's Knife, and a few more cool things. One thing a lot of people don't realize unless they've been with the series since the start, is that the final update to Flash Isaac, the "eternal update", actually came out after Rebirth was already long out, and it forced a lot of players who had already beaten Rebirth 100% (at the time) back to the original game to reclaim their 100% by beating the game with all the characters in the new hard mode. Hard mode introduced all the absolutely irritating white enemies, nerfed the D6 so that it randomly deletes items, and added a HP cap where there didn't exist one before. A lot of the white enemies, especially bosses, had special behaviors that have never been added to Rebirth (I remember the worst being Eternal Super Envy where the heads will recombine back together when they touch). The only element that actually made it into Rebirth was the "Eternal D6" which replicates the nerfed D6 in hard mode, although with a 2-room charge instead of 3. I guess this is a long winded way of saying: if you want to enjoy original Isaac the way we all enjoyed it back in the day, seriously don't play hard mode first. Get your completion marks with all the characters in normal mode, then tackle hard mode for a masochist challenge once you have mastered the game. Personally I hated every minute of hard mode, but I got through by reminding myself it wasn't The Lost (which, back in the original release of Rebirth, did not have the option of starting with Mantle.)

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@Strakester Yeah I ended up learning about this in streams afterwards, Eternal has some interesting ideas (Angel challenge room etc) but the white enemies are kind of insane. I've ended up being a stubborn idiot and trying to 100% that version 😂 I'm getting there, but you're right that it isn't how Isaac was originally supposed to be, I obviously didn't really research before this old stream/video because I thought it'd be more fun to try it blind, I appreciate the info

[@birdigo]

as someone who grew up with the newgrounds demo not ever playing the original is a CRIME lol

[@leeroymlg4692]

Your skill level gave me an aneurysm

[@KillysuntDLC]

I'm way better at Rebirth than the original & it was my first ever try tbf, but I've played a bit more off stream now (still think the eternal enemies are nuts,). I'll have to try for a redemption stream at some point 💀

[@shakgotgamez]

​@@KillysuntDLCHow have you never came across bob's and tammy's head with your amount of hours on rebirth

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@shakgotgamez I had used bob's head before but I think with Tammy's head I used to assume it was dog shit & never used it until I ended up spamming it with Bethany to beat Delirium. It's been like a year & a half so I can't really remember, I just know that skill level isn't something I'm trying to flex on my channel or I'd edit all that shit out, it's just all in good fun

[@shakgotgamez]

@@KillysuntDLC That's fair. Wasn't trying to do some sort of gotcha either, was just geninuely curious.

[@masterpsp21]

We used to play this on school, great times.

[@AntiZubat]

Did bro really not know Tammy’s head after like 500 hours?(I’m just kidding I know it’s hard to remember everything)

[@Thenutmaster-m2q]

he got the walmart twisted pair (double brother bobby) truly a legendary isaac moment

[@valvalverso]

i remember the day the eternal dlc dropped i killed eternal mom first try and then proceeded to never kill her ever again in any difficulty

[@jmtradbr]

OG Isaac musics are my favorites

[@AbsinthedeLaRochefoucauld]

So not only did you play original Flash Isaac, but you played the Eternal Edition in Hard Mode, infamously the most difficult the game has been, ever... Nice.

[@KillysuntDLC]

Yeah, I knew nothing about it at all & just jumped in. 💀 I was also using a controller & it just wasn't made to be played that way originally. I've played it more off-stream now, unlocked stuff & may give it another go on stream soon

[@schmingbeefin4473]

I was wonder what was up with all the eternal champions....

[@flaming3624]

Bro does not have 500 hours

[@sammywestside9582]

Nah fr, it looks more like 50 hours

[@xvipes]

500 are not a lot for Isaac but I agree he sucks

[@antoschka-5065]

Losing to pin is wild

[@Itzak15]

Those 1000 hours must have been a pain seeing how this is going

[@YeprilesteR]

💀

[@kurttite6099]

500 hours and never once used tammys head? I respect it

[@Constant-pretty]

You're evolving just backwards

[@Alexshmalexx]

Aight I can forgive u for dyin but u didn’t even know Tammy’s head

[@KillysuntDLC]

I took ages to give it a proper chance, it's pretty busted with Bethany & decent synergies lol

[@samdavid5772]

The absolute worst parts about flash Isaac that the curse room makes a spike door into the secret room so you loose 4hp if you don't have a bomb, and secret room walls close every time you leave the room

[@KillysuntDLC]

The secret room walls closing has led to a handful of accidentally leaving an item in there moments now lmao

[@epicbasedman]

"The enemy's feel harder..." Turned on hard mode

[@KillysuntDLC]

I was a bit silly for that, but didn't realise eternal enemies were a thing yet

[@luheartswarm4573]

Oh man, if it makes sense, when I was getting started in pc gaming, back in 2010~11, classic Isaac was the game I had the most playtime! about 400 hours, of course that changed with rebirth, with double the playtime, still, very important games to me!

[@Zertik183]

as someone who's never played rebirth, it ain't bad

[@Milk-Lander]

At least you appreciate the OG music, severely underrated and a much better tempo for isaac

[@KillysuntDLC]

Music is great & I appreciate & enjoy the game in general much more after putting a bit more time in off-stream (& playing it on KBM) :)

[@wweeper]

only isaac i ever play is rebirth on the 3ds am i goated

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@wweeper Yes

[@randomgem8087]

i didn't realize most people know isaac from rebirth

[@BreaksBee]

the fast that you kept loosing but kept going in curse rooms is why i hate watching isaac youtubers because they are all greedy.

[@KillysuntDLC]

I just play as The Lost too much in rebirth so they're usually free, I ain't trying too hard to always win on screen either

[@BreaksBee]

@@KillysuntDLC okay now i feel bad for "going at it" your explanation is understandable

[@samuelpounds1475]

What website did you play it on?

[@Gurogun]

shops needed a key on first floor until afterbirth +, that isn't exclusive to flash

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@Gurogun I mostly got into Rebirth between that & Repentance so appreciate the intel

[@Gurogun]

@@KillysuntDLC yeah a lot of people started with repentance, as a person who plays since flash, it was cool to see the game get the attention it deserves!

[@pacopocus]

Why is there the azzazel in the flash version??? (At the beggining) Edit: nvm it was eve somehow

[@Lord_Waisman]

Wow 1.000 hours are 50 days.

[@futuretrunks1027]

Do you also have low fps in this game ?

[@KillysuntDLC]

It's mostly fine for me, it was input lag because of Joy2key that I mostly had issues with but I play with KBM now. I've had fps issues, maybe a couple times now, & seen a few people on Steam mention it, from what I can tell the game can be a bit weird with CPU, so might be worth tinkering with it in task manager

[@9fran9rosatti9]

man I'm finally doing 100% in this game soon, but I'm just suffering, white champion enemies are so hard, the amount of pickups you get, the rooms where it's impossible not to take damage, still great game but so annoying, rebirth is SO much better

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@9fran9rosatti9 I'm getting there, I'm more used to the eternal enemies and bosses by now but it's absolutely more difficult and the smoothness of it is night & day, I tried Rebirth again and I felt like I was playing in hyperspeed, it's like taking off training weights

[@buffsquirrel666]

this is the original

[@TomatOgorodow]

Didn't use bomb to get in treasure room. Is he stupid?

[@KillysuntDLC]

occasionally

[@mattgaudette4454]

this game looks like it was made in scratch

[@Alan-pz9gf]

How did u make it run so smooth? My game can’t handle a friend cause fps drop to 15

[@KillysuntDLC]

I mostly had input lag because of trying it with a controller. The couple times I had fps issues, it was from having the game open for a while, so just open/close between runs may help, people reckon fiddling with task manager helps too, but I mostly don't get the problem

[@Jeremy_is_real]

Bro wrath of the lamb is on classroom6x so i play it at school sometimes (btw its super laggy)

[@theodorekarr]

tbh i was better at the og isaac normal mode rhen rebirths

[@SussyBefuddling44]

you don't have 1k hours broski

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@SussyBefuddling44 You're right it's closer to 2k now lmao

[@udayhd]

banger

[@spoodsu4696]

Bro does NOT have 1k hours in Isaac

[@KillysuntDLC]

It's closer to 2k than 1 💀

[@spoodsu4696]

@@KillysuntDLC Yet you don't know what Tammy's head does??? How's this even possible

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@spoodsu4696 I mean I do now, I've said it under other comments already but I didn't fully get into it until Repentance after already doing some of the basic stuff that makes up the flash game, so I ignored a lot of early unlock items like Tammy's head, assumed it wasn't very good as well until I realized it synergizes well with most stuff

[@degoosedump]

how can you have more than 10 hours bro you even don't know what is this game

[@KillysuntDLC]

Got so many hours I forgot the early game basics, flash is harder as well tbf

[@peepsterman2557]

how can you say you have 2000 hours in rebirth but you don't know what the flat penny does

[@sandwich9509]

L chat

[@The678error]

you are not very good at this game arent you

[@isaacologyYT]

it is his first time ever playing it

[@probablydio3961]

Bro cant say Cain,,,

[@OUTLAW_RAP]

Ew this is lazy mattman (I watched like half the video)

[@MittensOnly]

Thanks for reminding me how shit Isaac 1 is

[@o0dontknow0o]

How can u be so bad with this many hours in the game?

[@KillysuntDLC]

Probably because it's a different game & it was my first time trying it lmao, Eternal edition has different enemies etc too (also just general ineptitude)

[@o0dontknow0o]

@@KillysuntDLC The basics are the same tho. I'm not saying u should be the best classic isaac gamer if u only played from rebirth up to repentance but it was weird to me that u struggled so much.

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@o0dontknow0o Honestly the video's a year & a half old so I don't remember everything but I'm not really trying to show off being good with this channel or on stream, I think another part of it was trying to use a controller when it doesn't really work well in the original at all, played more of it since & while I still think hard mode is hard (shouldn't have jumped right into that), I've managed to unlock a fair amount. No excuse for the Bob's rotten head throw, LOL

[@jamesxu133]

no way you have 500 hours. youre bad af

[@KillysuntDLC]

I've got 1800 in rebirth I'm afraid, I'm just a dipshit & eternal mode in the original game is about 5x harder than repentance

[@random_dumass]

Ain't much change its just smaller and lower quality

[@drakewahl7609]

They should add an optional eternal mode to repentence and bring back some eternal enemies. That would be fun.

[@KillysuntDLC]

There's a mod that tries to do that (Repentance Eternal Edition), I haven't played it for myself but it might be worth a look

[@loweffortproductions1985]

I always liked the art style and the UI for the original Isaac much more than rebirth, but rebirth is definitely the superior game.

[@KillysuntDLC]

@@loweffortproductions1985 Flash aesthetics go hard

[@loweffortproductions1985]

@@KillysuntDLC not only that, but Isaac was heavily inspired by the original Legend of Zelda. Just the way the hearts and weapon/item slots are layed out parody that perfectly!

[@This_dude69]

Bruh, you have 1000+ hours in rebirth and you are playing this like it's your first fucking time in that game

[@KillysuntDLC]

​@@This_dude69 Yeah I've said it loads already but I probably lost sight of a lot of the early game items that make up the flash game by the time I played it, plus all the other shit like playing it on hard mode (eternal enemies etc) Joy2key input lag, blah blah etc etc. Almost got this version finished by now though

[@dornan7454]

Your gameplay looks painful. Not your problem, wotl requires some time after rebirth.

[@KillysuntDLC]

I'm about 75/99 unlocks in now & imagine I'm in less pain than I was here but it's still a challenge

[@slood]

flash isaac goes as deep as chest btw

[@sunburst2740]

The ui at the top reminds me of the first zelda game

[@KillysuntDLC]

Lots of influence from early zelda in Isaac, one of the bosses (Chub) plays pretty close to Dodongo

[@asrieel194]

Is he drunk

[@Papa_Scorch7]

Where do i play this;-;

[@KillysuntDLC]

This one is the Steam version, there's a demo version on Newgrounds as well

[@soughnymaugh]

The Duke of flies is good for Samson

[@orions2908]

You handled eternal edition way better than you had any right to lol Stand proud, you are strong

[@KillysuntDLC]

Despite some very silly mistakes like throwing Bob's Head inches away from my face, I did my best 💀 (& will play more soon)

[@JakisTyp3k]

me beating the game 3 years ago: :-0 that was hard :-0

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of Trying the original Isaac game momentum 100

[@Ripplechanmagical]

Alta pelea en los comentarios nya

[@mooleng]

So this person have 500+ hours on the rebirth but still not good at original ? 💀

[@KillysuntDLC]

No worse, I have roughly 2000 hours in Rebirth 💀 (Eternal difficulty is genuinely quite hard, I'll revisit it on stream at some point)

[@AntiZubat]

I have 230 hours in repentance/afterbirth+ but I started with the original and it was only easier because the thing I was using to run it made it run like 25-50% slower

[@deyontemyers4109]

As a person who has 300 hours in Tboi WHAT THE VOID IS THAT SPIDER BOMB Glad these monsters arent in the present day

[@AntiZubat]

Eternal enemies my friend