Trying to get Audio in a Camera with no Mic Input! ep.96

[@michaelhawkins1173]

As long as I hear and understand what you are saying that is the most important. As for quality I have herd better but what said put all the good news in the quality of sound. Thanks Rob for all your efforts and great work.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I'm working on a better solution today! I almost didn't post this video, then almost took it down. But decided to keep it real.

[@Eti1968]

Very educational and without noticing you gave another tip; Da Vinci resolve. I recently bought a rode mic that I intend to use with my iPhone so I’ m about to figure out how to sync the audio and the video in resolve. Your system is very creative but you are still using the mic of your camera and that does not win a price. However, we do hear you very clear and since I’ve become an addict of your channel I can only say that the audio in your video’ s is fine.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. Lots of great tutorials online to sync in DR. You'll see what I mean when I say it's a pain if you have several clips.

[@Woodenarrows]

I appreciate the info on wireless mic setups. I've slowly upgraded over the past 3 years from the Oly E-M10 to the E-M10 II and now the E-M5 II. I still have and use the older cameras. However, right now I'm tied to a wire setup with my E-M5 II. A wireless setup would me nice and your info will help with that decision. Thanks for posting.

[@RobTrek]

Almost got the e-m5 ii for vlogging earlier this year. It's about perfect and is the best choice in the Olympus line. The azden is great. I'm gonna do a video on that system, but Curtis Judd did a great video on it already. He's the main reason I bought this setup.

[@Woodenarrows]

So your wireless lav/transmitter is sending your voice to the wireless receiver which in turn is driving the Bluetooth speaker which simply sends the sound output through the air to your camera's external microphones???

[@RobTrek]

Yes, that's the idea.

[@beejaybertelsen]

I don't understand how the sound can come into the camera from the bluetooth speaker. I have a pen F. Would your idea work with that camera?

[@beejaybertelsen]

Are you recording the sound from the bluetooth speaker with the built in microphone?

[@RobTrek]

Yes, I'm recording the sound from the bluetooth speaker playing directly into the on camera mics.

[@mrmighty9862]

@@RobTrek Ohhhhhh...

[@AerialLensVideo]

Ha! Thinking outside the box as always! "You Americans are very clever," some folks used to say. It sounds very good to me - 8/10. Thanks!

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I'm working on another video to see if I can do better.

[@BobK58]

I needed some audio beyond the internal mic of the E-M10.2. I saw the Zoom H1n elsewhere then you had it so I got one. I have simple needs so I think it's going to work out. Thanks for the video.

[@RobTrek]

The Zoom H1n is a great little mic. Haven't used it much since getting a pen style mic from Olympus.

[@MorganScott82]

You didn't really explain how this works. If I understand correctly the lav mic pics up your voice, transmits it to the receiver, which plays back that sound over the bluetooth, which is then picked up by the on camera mic, have I got that correct?

[@RobTrek]

Yes. But to be clear, the receiver's 3.5mm line out is plugged into a bluetooth speaker's 3.5mm jack. No bluetooth signal is used.

[@rogerquenault7207]

Good info as always, Thanks for going to the trouble of trying different systems as it save others a lot of work and money, I personally don’t do much video but love all your content.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I'm working on another video to see if I can do better.

[@PuchoWebSolutions]

Hello from New York City! Please help me understand, which device is actually doing audio recording? Most Bluetooth speakers do not record from an AUX cable input or does your have a special feature? Thank you for your informative video.

[@RobTrek]

The speaker is on top of the camera microphones. So the camera mics are recording with the video.

[@PuchoWebSolutions]

Got it. The recorded voice is being amplified by the Bluetooth speaker which is mounted above the camera's built in microphone resulting in better sound. Thank you. @@RobTrek

[@jakobhovman]

Hello Rob...Great idea...! Works well when you are away from camera mic. Up close: Try to find "radio-earphones" with line in for mp3 player. Workers and hunters use them...with a dampening cup. Selective sound proofing and amplification.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I tried a couple of headphone ideas, but they just don't generate enough sound and are a bit clumsy to mount for vlogging.

[@jakobhovman]

"Course" you did...had to mention them. Another idea: A Piezzo-electric speaker is flat and robust. Maybe you can find one mounted, that has good enough frequency. Used in Marine gear. Ps: equally good as mic and speaker.

[@RobTrek]

That is a great idea!

[@ezpzjeez]

Very clever setup, particularly the idea of Bluetooth speaker. Your voice was very crisp and clear when been walking and away from the camera. Though not so studio quality when recording from so close to the camera. Nevertheless it indeed worked and better than having to deal with offline voice recorder.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I'm working on making this setup better. Will share once I get it done!

[@ExpertGuidance_Academy]

Thanks for your support.... We are using Sony hdr sr1 model with Ahuja external powered microphone, our Sony camcorder has external and inbuild mic options ,so we are using external mic to record our lectures, it's wireless... But it brings air noice..kindly help me to record videos with clear sound quality.

[@RobTrek]

I'd really have to see the entire setup and space to help you reduce noise. I'm not familiar with the gear you are using. If you're getting noise on a wireless mic, you'll probably need to switch to a digital wireless and then add some noise reduction in post processing. Two good budget options are the rode wireless go and comica boom xd. I use both and they are fine. There are much more expensive mic systems that will improve the sound quality you might want to consider.

[@ExpertGuidance_Academy]

@@RobTrekthanks, these mics suits for camcorder ?

[@michaelweichhardt]

I have the rode mic system - it's perfect :) Use it all the time...

[@RobTrek]

I was thinking about the rode system for my em1 mark ii. Everyone who uses it loves it!

[@michaelweichhardt]

I have it for mine - and it works flawlessly. I tried Boya before and had sometimes audio clicks or hiccups. Hate that... - also the battery life of the rode is better and you have battery indicator so no surprises there.

[@RobTrek]

I tried the boya last week, it really sucked. Noise, clicks, and drops. I'll upgrade to rode eventually.

[@clicksubscribephotography2568]

You can check my new video before buying it - which is all made with the rodelink filmmaker kit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4OmlKhsqMtmY8k

[@wmbrooks2499]

I must have missed something. How does the sound from the speaker get into the camera??

[@RobTrek]

The camera has microphone built in that pick up the speaker.

[@TheOneStraightPath]

@@RobTrek I thought it was me, I really didn't get it until I saw this comment, because I saw you plug the transmitter to the speaker and nothing was going to the camera, so, I forgot that the camera mic will pick up the speaker lol. Excellent lol. Thanks mate, I know this video is 4 years old but I just found it.

[@weekendwanderer5514]

Is the audio straight from the camera completely unusable in a vlogging scenario when you're not that far from the internal mic?

[@RobTrek]

Hi. I'm working on another test for audio. If the area is pretty quite or indoors, then you can use the internal mics. Thanks for your question.

[@weekendwanderer5514]

@@RobTrek Thanks. Look forward to watching it!

[@Joshua-zn4fe]

That was an awesome idea and I have tried it and it works, thanks.

[@RobTrek]

Great to hear! It's a clunky work around but it does work.

[@hedydd2]

So why don't external mikes standardise with HDMI plugs instead of 3.5mm jacks? That would solve it all very simply and cheaply and make mike jacks redundant

[@RobTrek]

That would make too much sense. I do have another idea that I'm testing similar to what you suggested. I don't think hdmi has a bi-directional data path, it's either in or out, but I don't know that for a fact.

[@CPIVCR]

great work around and an attention capturing and educational post but I think I would just bite the bullet and buy a camera with a mic jack

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. Yes, more cameras are available with mic jack options now.

[@michaelhawkins1173]

In all honesty Rob the sound was plenty good enough for the task of telling the story of how you achieved a synced recording ecclesiasticaly. You could be herd clearly near and far, what's not to like about a clear and helpful vidio? Great stuff.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I'm working on improving on this setup. Tried yesterday and totally failed!

[@kevinwelsh7490]

you didn't explain that the c a m e r a m i c is picking up sound put out by the speaker. this is a video about wireless mic system. so you are recording a tiny speaker with a tiny camera mic

[@RobTrek]

Sorry if I didn't make that part clear. My intent was to show how to use a wireless mic with cameras that don't have a mic jack. Thanks for the feedback. It will help me with my next video on his topic.

[@brandonkelbe]

Well shit, I appreciate your video and it’s very clever. But the microphone in my cameras messed up and I need a workaround for it. I guess I’m going tape recorder.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. Yeah, external recorder with lav mic. I used to use a $30 sony voice recorder from Walmart. It worked great.

[@knoblitroch1433]

Very bad idea. It sounds like you're in a box. It sounded way better when you were walking away from the camera. This is because when you're standing close to the camera mic so that it can pick up your voice directly it also gets the audio from your bluetooth speaker with a really short delay. Audio across a wireless mic into a speaker into the cam mic cannot be as fast as directly from your mouth to the cam mic.

[@RobTrek]

Yes, I noticed that too. The latency is 14ms on the proxd. The latency on the rode kit is only 4ms. In another test, not in this video, I put some tape over the mics and it cut the slight echo out pretty well. I'm gonna keep trying to make this work. Thanks for the feedback!

[@Greggie_D]

Sell your E-M10mkii and buy a Lumix G85 problem solved (and you get 4K)

[@RobTrek]

The g85 was on my short list 2 years ago, but the store didn't have one on the shelf. In fact no one did! I waited a couple of months, kept checking stock at my 2 local camera shops and best buy. Actually glad I got the em10 mkii for other reasons. May have never got into m4/3 otherwise. But yeah, the g85 is an excellent choice and probably the better camera.

[@moejoe5393]

Ummm, that's pretty average sound. I'd rather spend the money on a decent recordong system.

[@RobTrek]

Thanks. I'm gonna keep trying to make this work. It is a bit thin on the audio.