trying to wrap my head around this election. all the answers are bad.

[@Billchuck007]

@32:00 Bernie was a chance to have a real candidate and the democrats showed they would rather lose than have a candidate that wanted actual changes

[@ryamldess]

They dumped Bernie because he was too left for the Dems, and too Jewish. You'll notice they completely erased his identity in the media. With Kamala, it's all about "she's a woman, she's Black, she's Asian." With Obama, it was "first Black male president." Even for crusty cracker old Biden, they gushed about him being Catholic. With Bernie, nothing, they never mentioned it. Probably due to their own antisemitism, and fearing they would stoke the antisemitism that unfortunately is still pretty common on the left, thanks in no small part to Israel.

[@chan_martin]

Dems don’t want to be progressive anymore because it doesn’t suit their interests. Bernie is proof that a popular politician with popular progressive beliefs can easily get pushed to the side because of dirty politics.

[@sabastian3022]

80 million people voted for Biden thats just not true

[@Zoroasterisk]

This might be a hot take, but I don't think identity had as much to do with this as you do. I live in suburban Ohio, and there's a real (misguided) feeling that things were better under Trump economically. He coasted on the good economy that Obama had created for him, and by the time we started seeing the negative effects of Trump's terrible policy, along came covid to provide a handy scapegoat. Biden got saddled with the blame for the higher grocery costs after the stimulus ended, and I think the people that stayed home did so out of a sense of "both sides bad so what"/"kick the bastards out", which would've been an uphill battle for any candidate, nevermind the VP of the current administration. Regarding I/P, Kamala did herself no favors by towing the company line, but I haven't talked to anyone IRL that made their decision whether or not to show up based on saving Palestinian lives, only online. I think the average American voter is fine with things getting worse for pretty much anybody outside their immediate friends and family, if they think things will end up better for them. Yes, Kamala had some great policies to address economic issues, and could've even pointed to a lot of the work that Lina Khan is doing to break up our modern day trusts. There's even the inarguable fact that the VP doesn't really have a whole lot they can do to affect positive change in our system of government. The thing is, I'm not sure the American electorate was ready to hear any of that. I really think it is as simple as "eggs cost too much now, they were cheaper under Trump". All that said, I'm a cis het white guy. Take my perspective with as much salt as you feel is warranted. I won't be mad about it. I voted for Kamala, but I held my nose. I didn't like her stance Gaza, immigration, or my personally most important issue, campaign finance reform. Regardless of the reasons we got here, I think this election made it abundantly clear that the DNC is not going to move left on these issues, so it's time to start raising up an actually viable LEFTIST party from the ground up. Pushing ranked choice HARD is IMO, the best path at flipping this shit. Tl;dr Bernie would've won

[@open_mike_eagle]

I eff with all of this

[@mediumvillain]

the whole problem with "throw the bums out" mentality is the economic effects of politics & policies take like 5 years to go into effect lmfao, so youre always throwing the wrong bums out. in this case theyre literally voting for the guy who made a mess out of the economy selling government to the highest bidder

[@LeMicronaut]

I don't look around that much, but what about Trump's fiscal policy was foreboding in 2019? I think the only possible issue is having tarrifs too high before industry is here, but what signs were there before the pandemic? You could fault him for project warpspeed absolving the pharmas of liability and handing them tons of paid for doses courtesy of the public, but that's another issue.

[@chan_martin]

Yes. A majority of voters are settled into their party regardless of the candidate, or they see very simple things like grocery prices say “things were cheaper under Trump” and give him their vote. The Dems are stupid if they think appealing to right wingers is going to do anything when they can just vote republican like they would have already.

[@chan_martin]

@@LeMicronautLook at West Virginia and you’ll see a state that put full belief in Trump and was ultimately failed by him. He promised jobs that never came. He let poverty and the drug problems fester. The state is used to milk as many resources as possible from every small town while simultaneously leaving those same towns to rot and die. People here have been gaslit and manipulated to trust to a man who does not care about them. Biden at the very least has helped with improving infrastructure in a lot of places, which is a start. I’m actually scared for the people in WV who don’t understand that supporting people who thrive in late stage capitalism is not in their best interest.

[@tylerbezkostny9493]

I voted for Harris, but at no point felt even slightly confident about it. I live in a very red section of the bluest state, so part of me wondered if I was getting a disproportionate temperature due to my location, but clearly I wasn’t. It’s hard to imagine that Kamala Harris would have won a proper primary, had there been one. I personally know numerous people who were either undecided or voted Trump, after years of supporting democratic candidates. So based on all of that, I fully expected and prepared for this outcome. It’s still a rough day.

[@TeeKeeps]

it's the look. Looks matter. I hate these careless women... God's watching tho so...

[@cockandballer]

@@TeeKeeps huh

[@maxjohnson8802]

2016 is when the Democratic party officially rejected becoming the party they needed to become to succeed and survive. bernie's movement offered a path forward, but it would lighten their pockets.

[@itim777]

22:31 - I see these takes that completely disregard the immense racial, ethnic, national, and historical diversity of “Latinos”. This framing of them is why people are “surprised” many of them voted Trump. Not every Hispanic American is an immigrant from Mexico or Central America. Many are white, South American, white-collar professionals. Or they ARE Mexican and Central American …but generations removed from immigration and firmly assimilated. They do not relate to new arrivals, and they do not all care about Puerto Rico. They are not “pulling the ladder up behind them” - they have never seen the ladder. Their last name and involuntarily-held ethnic background are the only things separating them from stereotypical Trump supporters.

[@tylersouza]

Yes, I've been a bit annoyed by how much this is being brought up, almost purely to create some sort of ethnic tension (which is definitely what we need more of now right?) And it's being brought up by people on the left no less. Blue collar workers from Latin America clearly are not a demographic that's crazy about Trump. Recent arrivals aren't voting for Trump. Now, descendants of right wing Cubans living in Florida (the Gusanos who descend from slave owning families)... Yeah, surprise surprise they're often right wing for multiple reasons. Rich immigrants from the elite of other countries who have moved more recently also vote for these kind of interests, because these people also vote for the right wing parties in their own home countries, who are effectively puppet regimes of the US. So yeah those people are right wing, but I don't like people just blaming "Latinos" as a while, as if one of the main targets of Trump's racism are at fault for their very own circumstances.

[@jakoblawrence34]

Liberalism is dead. Bernie should’ve been the party nominee

[@Hidalgoes]

brother you can't just run a candidate people actually want to vote for thats crazy talk

[@open_mike_eagle]

satire so good it hurts

[@TheTurtle1100]

Can we talk about how women feel about women? Because as men we can only stand up so much, but last night I was at a bar and there was a group of old ass white women hollering about trump. My girl’s mom voted for trump. I think we need to be asking if women hate women.

[@jamisonlamkin5576]

Some do and I don’t get how they rationalize it.

[@birdturd9345]

white supremacy is a helluva drug

[@ZIGGU]

There's def an aspect of internalized misogyny. If your entire life, you've been indoctrinated to believe that abortion is immoral, men should be the head of the family, and that the most important traits of a woman are nurturing children and sex appeal, those become your values.

[@AokiRemix]

@@jamisonlamkin5576 they've internalized the same misogyny that everyone else has

[@notreallyafamousartist695]

@@ZIGGUbut it’s not just men saying abortion is immoral and it’s not the men who always put that in women’s heads. We need to stop infantalizing women this is literally the problem. No a lot of them genuinely believe this and didn’t get it from men. Some feel it internally not due to religion but due to when they think life begins. These WOMEN think this and aren’t indoctrinated

[@PapiGordo5360]

It's terrifying how blindsiding this felt. The algorithms truly have the political spectrums living in different realities, except one is completely made up.

[@UnkleKnuck]

hilariously ironic

[@GwazaJuse]

all the algorithms are built with a profit motive, so the result will always be in favour of a profit motive

[@familyguyfreemoviedownload8314]

honestly id say both of them are completely made up

[@dayvision30]

We need a real left-wing party, people have been saying it since 2016. It’s not good enough for a party to be better than the republicans, it has to actually be good.

[@13thAllieCat]

I’m so f’ed up over this my friend…. How could they… some of my friends, my neighbors… some family and my countrymen… how could they. How could they vote for him and then understand who I am and what I stand for?? … I can’t talk to any of them today, I…. I never thought I’d let ‘politics’ break me and someone I love up. But it’s not ‘politics’ … it’s a whole bunch of issues, extremely important to me…. That they… don’t agree with apparently. I am having a hard day today. Where is the beauty, … the community and the Heart…. I’m F’in…. I’m struggling with this.

[@13thAllieCat]

Like Elvis c, and perfect circle said ‘where’s the peace love and understanding’.

[@jamisonlamkin5576]

And they try to justify and rationalize it, it’s mind boggling!!

[@Catch_XXII]

Why though?

[@catp1ss987]

valid but chill on the ellipsis bro

[@m1scmus1c]

Me too man

[@kingofthemoon3063]

The biggest factor was likely economics. People want houses, they want their bills to be less crushing, they want to not be price gouged for groceries. They vaguely remember those things being less bad under trump and remember those problems not being addressed by biden. The Harris campaign didnt do enough to address those economic concerns.

[@No.0.o.0]

Funding a genocide instead of improving materiel conditions for the working class is a pretty simple explanation for why she lost. She could’ve easily won if she offered anything new.

[@busterscrungus9544]

Exactly she wasn’t transparent enough about her plans and ambitions. I can’t really vote for a candidate who changes their opinion way too much and her stance on the wars occurring were also vague.

[@user-nn7ct3hk7c]

But how was Jan 6 and his comments about "not having to vote anymore" not a wake up call??

[@viderevero1338]

​@busterscrungus9544 Sure, but you could say the dame thing and a whole lot worse about Trump. Trump's opinions are only whatever he must say to look good in the moment. He's a sycophant at his core, saying what he knows his audience wants to hear, whilst delivering very little. I personally voted Harris just to get rid of Trump. She seemed to want to maintain the status quo, and honestly with how divided we are, and will be in the future, along with thr fact that the economy isn't as bad as it's painted as, all guided my vote. I'd rather a flip floppy democratic president who still sticks to her basic core principles, then someone of a similar ilk, who probably represents a greater danger and overall head-ache at the very least.

[@phantom_longbeach]

@@user-nn7ct3hk7c I can't say much, but I'm genuinely confused as to why people have conveniently brushed over Jan 6 and the sexual assault stuff. It makes nooooo sense

[@sundalo916]

@@user-nn7ct3hk7c they want him to remain in power after his term is over.

[@Ottobon]

I don't know why this popped up in my feed, but as a swing voter my problem wasn't party lines or whatever, i did have some policies i hated, but the problem that i saw around me, not totally myself but so many others, is Kamala just wasn't likeable. No one voted her into the candidacy, she was insanely unpopular before Biden dropped out, and it was a massive gaf to run her when he did, the biggest gaf imaginable. Beyond that her inability to ever do any live questions or live interviews made it impossible to see her as anything other then a puppet, close family who i know voted for her were all commenting on this to me when the CNN Townhall had her reciting canned answers and ignoring all the questions she was ideally going to take on, answer herself. I'm not saying if she would of gone on shows like Rogan she would of won, but she would of stood a way better chance, or at the very least if she would of done ANYTHING to seem genuine and free thinking, everything she said sounded like something the DNC wrote for her. Regarding African American friends of mine, they all were making fun of her for saying she wasn't black in the past, then saying she is black and raising two strong black women, she handled all of that horrendously. Its not really shocking at all

[@juanmartin5911]

It might be sad but it's quite simple: US is the most powerful and important country of the world, but that doesn't make it exempt from having a huge amount of people who is either selfish or not intelligent enough to know the type of politics that will end up hurting them more in the long run. As a matter of fact, people outside the US, often mocks the 'intelligence' (note the quotes) of the average 'American' citizen. That's a generalization and like it happens with lot of generalizations it can be an incorrect one, and sometimes disrespectful. But that's also a testament of the whole world knowing very well that despite US importance, its citizens are known for often choosing a leader that doesn't give a f* about the country nor the people.

[@tjkrueger2655]

This country needs to take these things more seriously.

[@yungbirb]

yeah fam. exporting war is easier to see now more than ever, and so people are actively fighting to represent their values. for a lot of people, if they had to choose; fighting local misogyny and racism doesn't even compare to the bombing of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians. democrats hands are so insanely stained with blood, and unfortunately kamala communicated that she intended to continue that. though, i do also accept the misogyny argument, mostly because people chose the least qualified man over a very solid qualified black women with real and actionable plans to help the lower class. and at a lower cost as well. the problem is that america is attempting to supersede the value of education with the value of an american dollar; and our media is a byproduct of that. trump only connects with his people because he knows they value ~the dollar~ turtles all the way down

[@jamisonlamkin5576]

Most nuanced take I’ve heard so far about what’s going on, what happened. I so feel you about being surprised. I wish I was but yeah shit it tough man, I don’t know if I have the resources either

[@mjmatteo]

You need to read some of the heavy hitters of investigative journalism and political science/philosophy to understand what’s really going on: Sheldon Wolin’s ideas of Inverted Totalitarianism and Fugitive Democracy. Also, Chris Hedges work. Thomas Frank. Garland Nixion has a great KZbin Channel. And Max Blumenthal’s writing and KZbin Channel The Grayzone

[@Orangeco79]

Thinking Kalama would actually win is so funny like c’mon you guys have to be real with yourselves for a second, her campaign was terrible.

[@brvalentine1]

There’s a lot of points I could make, but because I don’t feel like typing and arguing with people I’m going to try to simplify myself and boil it down to one thing. I’m not voting for anybody anymore based on what they look like or for sentimental reasons. I did that with Obama, and as far as I’m concerned, I just voted for another white president when you really look at it, but besides that I did want to see a black president in my lifetime and I voted that way I didn’t even vote the issues. As far as now is concerned as much as I want to see a black woman as a president, I’m not voting for her, or if it was another black man, they are not getting my vote because they are black men or black women. That’s just not gonna happen with me personally anymore.

[@lucpurdy]

Thank your for doing a live stream today and hosting a place for this discussion while you are still working through your own thoughts and feelings on it all. It's a burden straight up and I appreciate you shouldering it. I'm simultaneously not surprised by the outcome while being extremely surprised by details surrounding voter turnout around the country. It's such an unbelievable disconnect: voters overwhelmingly supporting specific ideological ballot measures while voting against those interests for candidates who are in opposition of those same measures.

[@raffjolyne6225]

the voter turnout being millions less than 2020 makes a lot of sense. more people werent voting republican, the democrats just did everything they could to fumble, between everything with palestine, harris refusing to make any statement about trans rights and waiting til the day before voting to talk about legalization

[@daviddanielian9525]

There are still millions of votes uncounted. In the swing state that are finished counting voter turnout INCREASED from 2020. Lmk if I’m missing something but this answer isn’t sufficient. Also, Biden didn’t speak on leftist issues any more than Kamala did why did he win?

[@chan_martin]

Very shocked that right wingers couldn’t swallow their pride and keep this fool out of office. Now we’ll all see the consequences of their actions.

[@nielsfisher5136]

Damn the world would be so different if the democrats excepted Bernie...

[@AllTheArtsy]

gaza was a fringe interest in this election. its mostly that white people voted for Trump. suburban white men didnt vote at all. and a significant number of Black and Latino men voted Trump too

[@raikoh05]

The problem with Biden was not just that he was old, but this was not taken as an opportunity to change anything substantive. People still don’t have a person to vote for.

[@LUSCIOUSDUNCAN]

I grew up in Illinois and moved to Oregon in 2016. Despite being eligible to vote since 2008 I never voted in an election until 2020.Why? I felt, like I'm sure many people in what have historically been red/blue states felt and still feel as well, that my vote didn't matter. I'm in Illinois during the 2008 election and a Democrat _from Illinois_ has the chance to become the first black president--of course he's going to win. I knew he'd win Illinois. Same thing in 2012. In 2016 I was in Oregon--why vote? Of course Trump isn't going to win Oregon. And he didn't. But he still won the presidency. But it came to me that this was a flawed way of dealing with these elections. If I want things to change I need to vote next time. So I DID vote in 2020. ...But then I had a huge contingent of people shitting on me because I didn't vote Democrat or Republican. I didn't like Trump and I didn't like Biden. I actually read about each of the candidates and their views on certain subjects. I found a candidate that vibed with me personally more than any of the other candidates and, instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, I voted for the candidate that *I actually wanted to be the president*. Yet there I was being lambasted for "throwing away my vote". No--I had been throwing away my vote since 2008. This was the first time I USED MY VOTE. You can say all you want that voting third party is delusional or pointless when you "know" that it's always gonna be red team or blue team winning but it's THAT EXACT THOUGHT PROCESS that ends up with millions of people either not voting or voting for someone they don't actually want to be the president because they think that candidate is "not as bad as [other candidate]". I know plenty of people who switched from Democrat to Republican this time around for that reason. To have a country of millions of human beings voting almost entirely between two candidates that are on polar opposites of the political spectrum is so foolish and reductive and leads to in-fighting and arguments and families and friendships tarnished all because we're voting for heads or tails instead of voting for what we actually want to vote for. We've turned election night into the Superbowl. I can't believe we still function this way. I'm never voting for Democrat or Republican ever UNLESS by some miracle there is some stunner candidate who is ACTUALLY going to do something revolutionary or something that matters to me. Y'all can say I'm throwing away my vote all you want, but until _everyone_ starts voting with their hearts and minds instead of their favorite sports team we're going to have a divided country. Did I actually think the person I voted for in 2020 or in 2024 was going to win the election? Of course not. But did I throw away my vote? Hell no. But I'm standing up for what I believe in.

[@justthetwoofus.]

As someone who works in a politically oriented industry, Harris ran a horrible campaign. She didn’t do nearly enough to distance herself from Biden. Constantly played into “uniting” the country, by working with actual extremists on the other side, basically abandoning all her supposed principles. Didn’t properly play politics either - chose Walz, who I like, but is irrelevant in delivering a key battleground state; could not organize properly in PA, AZ, others; and caved in to Republican narratives. That last part is key. It’s difficult to control the narrative against a narcissist like Trump, but you can definitely limit it and she didn’t do nearly enough to fight back. Lost the narrative and lost the election.

[@realtalk8665]

The mainstream media pulled the wool over a lot of people's eyes in the states. Coming from the UK it's interesting listening to my family members living in the states having some different view points around the same subjects.

[@Sendmorebraaains]

I appreciate this. I needed to hear some thoughts swirling around my mind articulated back to me, to help me grasp what we just witnessed. Everything excellently said.

[@TsunamiSkweek]

big fan, holding off on listening to this until i won't break down in public tho. I'm just so full of anger, disappointment, dread, a hint of resolve, and care and compassion for the vulnerable among us (including myself!)

[@achronos178]

Black people voted, Asians, White, Hispanics, made their voice loud and clear.

[@gramioerie_xi133]

I’m fucking stunned. How can people be so stupid…

[@Dastompinata]

Lol ok racist

[@jamisonlamkin5576]

A lot of Hispanics voted for Trump sadly.

[@unitimmy]

thank you for showing up to say this. it’s a valuable perspective because i listen to people within the dem machine talking nothing but nonsense. i listen to my far left friends who have nothing in common with the dems of today, and i agree with a lot but don’t have a pathway towards electoral power. i think you’ve really struck dead on the path that exists towards an electoral win and in a roundabout way that’s the most positive message i’ve heard this week.

[@Anthropomorphic]

24:55 I get that, and I do the same thing. Based on what I've learned about my own media habits, my guess would be that you're surprised because we're all in boxes, and the world presented you with something that you hadn't seen in your box before. The smart people you listen to are people who are in the same box as you, but are more familiar with it. The solution here isn't to find people who are smart, it's to find people who surprise you the way you're currently feeling surprised.

[@SomeGuyeBackup]

26:17 This is a hugely important point and I don't hear many people speaking to it. Glad you said it.

[@dairebulson7122]

In the end though, decreased turnout only really matters in the swing states. For example, a strongly blue state can see decreased turnout and their electoral votes will still go to Harris. Of course, it would be different in a direct election

[@generaldom]

Appreciate your thoughts on this. Not really interested in most takes.

[@m.streicher8286]

I can't believe how wrong I was, 5 million votes... this is far more shocking than 2016 for me.

[@lysergiklich8205]

We literally have to 1 survive and 2 build community and collation to try to change things in 2 and 4 years. Otherwise further division will lead to similar results

[@benweinstein7140]

The two reasons given here are spot on but another would be that she didn’t project having a plan or part w the unpopular Biden trajectory.

[@aaronjkeegan]

We have fully separate media eco systems now, if you live in one you don't know what the vibe is in the other, it adds to the shock.

[@MomijiSour]

I think a lot of people are about to have a reckoning with just how racist and misogynist this country is. We had the choice between having a black woman as a leader and the yawing infinite void of oblivion and tens of millions of people chose oblivion. It doesn't help that she immediately capitulated on Palestine and she refused to stand up for trans rights when she was straight-up asked about it a few days ago. You don't get to run against a platform of hate and genocide with a platform of a noncommittal shrug and a genocide and expect people okay with genocide to not also be there for the hate, you absolutely don't, but I hope we don't use that as a smokescreen to deceive ourselves and pretend this country is anything other than what it showed itself to be today and figure out what we do to keep our people safe in the face of that.

[@PapaMidnite__]

We still got a lot of mail ins being counted in a lot of places, but California lost half its voters. Its very reflective in our down ballot cause people voted against rent comtrol

[@hedonisticmisanthrope]

If you’re tired of being surprised, please read Project 2025 and brace yourself.

[@thinkythinkypanic882]

I was very very close to not voting, mainly because of palestine.

[@AnarchyIsLove]

I'm not surprised but I am disappointed. I'm pretty sure america would never elect a black woman in this environment. It felt close but when it comes down to it, system gonna system

[@St_Fish]

I'm not American but if you're asking about good left leaning sources for news and analysis, my picks would be: Democracy Now In These Times Common Dreams Jacobin Truthout The Intercept Zeteo (newer company founded by Mehdi Hassan) Marc Lamont Hill (journalist but also uploads on KZbin) Hasanabi (most well known leftist Twitch streamer, but has lots of clips on KZbin) And there's also some more explicitly socialist magazines I'd keep an eye on, like Monthly Review, Socialist Alternative, Revolutionary Communists of America, etc.

[@phantom.diorama-w9w]

I hoped. Not surprised.

[@nielsfisher5136]

The rest is politics is something i consume as its fairly centrist, giving a somewhat balanced view of the world. One host is an ex-Labour(more leftwing party in the uk) and The other is A Lite Conservative. I highly recommend

[@bobsucks9647]

If they did an arms embargo on Israel I know many people who would have voted for Kamala that didn’t. Their loyalty/obedience to Israel over the American people dealt a huge blow to the campaign.

[@generaldom]

26:00 really hit home with me and encapsulates something thats been bubbling up.

[@alfredomanccini9786]

Guys , time to get out of the echo chamber

[@queztocoaxial]

Why? Is the shit the other side is saying actually valuable? Because I ain't ever heard one damn thing out of Trump's mouth that was worth listening to. Not one.

[@vlfrncsc15]

As a latino, Im sorry. We don’t claim those latin trump voters. Embarrassing

[@MFMATY]

i’m so sorry but where did you get that hoodie?!

[@AshleyPW]

I DID! Allegheny county rocked his shit! Pittsburgh represent!

[@GwazaJuse]

I think USA is a pay to win game, all the time. If you have the greater capital interest to use, everything else doesn't matter, because structural power is in the private sector. I don't think it follows that people distrusted Clinton to that degree, they just prefer richer people all the time, because the message is always that being the richest is being the best in one way or another. That must be something to do with underlying philosophy and values, because it means people value accumulation of material wealth in a deep personal way... which is all popular culture from America has been telling us for so many years, so it surely cannot come as a surprise.

[@coopdevillian77]

1:34 how bout this. Is it possible that the fact the he didn't deny it might be appealing in a world where all the other politicians constantly lie about their actions. Truth even a negative one can feel refreshing in a world of lies.

[@Anthropomorphic]

Probably a big component, yeah. As a broader point, "cancel culture" largely depends on people thinking that they have no choice but to be cancelled once they're called out. There's very little people won't forgive or forget if you've got the personal constitution to just carry on like normal.

[@MegaFlorest]

How could he deny it? It was an audio tape, verified by Access Hollywood. He then preceeded to lie more than any other politician in history. There was a website dedicated to tracking them all...and America still voted him in.

[@northernstepperz]

This would kind of not really make sense, if he wasn't a fucking gigantic liar.

[@daviddanielian9525]

Millions of votes have yet to be counted. Plus, in swing states that have mostly finished counting voter turnout seemed to INCREASE if anything. Am I missing something here or is the decreased turnout argument unsatisfactory?

[@open_mike_eagle]

im certainly not satisfied but I dont know what else the answer could be

[@sutter_kane_2689]

Prayin for yall🙏🙏

[@JimmyUtahGo]

extremely insightful. Thanks for taking time to make this video.

[@MFMATY]

where did you get that hoodie??

[@open_mike_eagle]

the artist goes by Nanlib

[@t4ngo_kilo]

You’re the man Mike, keep your head up, weird weird world.

[@erikbutton3552]

Great analysis man

[@boredomesolution8187]

But what if that gap was in all or nothing states where voters "knew" that the state woudn't flip. In that case, the lack of voters wouldnt impact the outcome. It would be cool to see which cities had less voters or if there was a drop all throughout the nation.

[@ARhysJensen-tq9cv]

I can’t think of any answer as likely as pure misogyny 10:11

[@protectourfreedom8221]

I think people were sick of the inflation and high prices on everything. The leniency on crime. People want to feel safe and voted for a negotiator / businessman in hopes that he could make things economically better for them.

[@mediumvillain]

what leniency on crime? thats absolute right wing fantasy, the oldest & dumbest of reactionary tropes and statistically less true than ever before. the only leniency on crime happening in the US is in political & financial corruption, which politicians are all about but Trump & Republicans more than most. All this ~businessman negotation~ bullshit went out the window when he was already president and didnt do shit but give rich ppl huge tax cuts and was a massive international embarrassment

[@romeod7549]

Sounds good but his policies are the reason for the economy being in the state that it is. He came in after Obama’s 8 year economy turn around after the recession under Bush Jr.

[@mattmattga]

22:33 fam from cuba thinks that "we are the good ones, he isn't talking about us".

[@SHIFTKICK]

yeah, so it’s clear the Democrats whole strategy has been to appeal to centrist undecided voters. I do wonder how many leftist voters were put off enough to not vote (like is this a loud minority online, or is this millions of people). your commentary about putting a likable face around vague values definitely resonates, as it contributes to the “fakeness” people feel with democratic candidates and there was certainly a good deal of messaging in Kamala’s speeches that did not resonate for me, despite me being strongly in favor of her. for thoughtful analysis/opinion on the news and current issues, i listen to Ezra Klein’s podcast a good amount. he is liberal but cuts through the bullshit a lot and I think is super perceptive at seeing things for what they are, in a way the broader Democratic party often fails to. His recent audio essay “What’s wrong with Donald Trump?” was really illuminating for me

[@dually81]

"the Democrats whole strategy has been to appeal to centrist undecided voters" Nah, the Democrats didn't have a strategy... that was the problem. I am a centrist voter and nothing about that campaign appealed to me. Well I guess their strategy was "Trump bad" and that was never going to be enough in a country that has been struggling under inflation and housing costs during their administration. The Democrats, and I'm sorry to say many voters on the far left have been living in a bubble and are out of touch with the issues the American people prioritize. This outcome should have been obvious.

[@mediumvillain]

its becoming the large part of entire generations so its not just some loud online minority.

[@princejellyfish3945]

@@dually81 It's obvious the American people prioritize spite over much else

[@Jackot08]

@@dually81 Please relay these issues?

[@dually81]

@@Jackot08 Housing, Inflation, Wages... the cost of living overall. Military Spending and Palestine. I've had this conversation several times during the campaign and also yesterday. Now you may PERSONALLY believe that these issues were addressed by the Harris campaign, but the results have proven otherwise.

[@briansherwood1912]

Big Joel Said it Best- People Just seem to like Trump , and there isn't much you can do about that. I think he is somehow singular, an anomaly. I don't know if you can draw too many conclusions from a campaign that directly involves him.

[@firstlastlastfirst7143]

You need to analyze your "information" streams. You might be getting some manufactured consent.

[@protectourfreedom8221]

What you said about the dems not having the people is spot on. Playing the likability game. Can't trust any politician when they let you down so much. Trump knew this and capitalized on it by being authentically himself. So people may have thought he's dislikable, but at least he is an honest dislikable.

[@mediumvillain]

it might not be entirely true that trump is "authentic" and not a calculated liar, but as far as perception, yeah, ppl will tend to pick who they think is authentically an asshole over who they perceive as a complete phony, and liberals come across as phonies who wake up each morning and base their personalities & values on that day's poll results

[@protectourfreedom8221]

@mediumvillain 💯 that's true, whether he is truly "authentic" is definitely up for debate and maybe I'm giving him too much credit. They're all liars to a certain degree after all. In the end, I think people just don't want to feel like they're being played and perception plays a huge role in that. I guess we'll just have to see how this all plays out. I do worry about him going too strong against China and f'ing the country over in some way in the process.

[@adonis8293]

Get outta that echo chamber, the people hath spoken

[@open_mike_eagle]

there are people speaking on multiple sides

[@stoopkidrva]

Yep I'm only seeing one side represented in these comments lol. Kamala was a trash candidate. There's no surprise why she lost. I'm just surprised they didn't cheat it again. Wasn't expecting such a sweep

[@kelvingonzalez7173]

Happy Wasteland Day part deux

[@open_mike_eagle]

💯

[@ARhysJensen-tq9cv]

The point about leftist rage bait is probably the most actionable - we can be better media consumers if we try and stop just crying about how misguided the other side is. I don’t like being surprised either!!!!

[@YouCorny]

That's deep bro

[@ARhysJensen-tq9cv]

14:59 YUP

[@nussymussy]

have you ever watched the streamer Destiny?

[@open_mike_eagle]

I've seen clips of him debating but thats it

[@mjmatteo]

Great insights from Chris Hedges: kzbin.infoaeA2IP_HHpg?si=GRdR4Xl-gCTpPTqf

[@HGoodra]

28:47 diallo is a great person to follow

[@1.--_--.1]

You thought she would win because you live in California

[@13thAllieCat]

11:40, so Mike you think it’s ok to not vote Harris because she could hurt Palestine? …and the alternative Trump in Palestine…??? I don’t understand this argument, and I have not recently. I would like to more because it doesn’t make sense to me to date

[@13thAllieCat]

If the other candidate was against it, then I would understand. But he’s not, so I do Not get not voting for Harris on this….

[@coopdevillian77]

She was the incumbent. He wasn't. It's his problem now though. Dems need to adjustment their attitude and defend poor people. Not just diverse ones but all poor people.

[@MegaFlorest]

@@coopdevillian77 They do though, through policy. Social safety nets are for everyone. It's GOP messaging that Dem policy somehow hurts white people.

[@SmokeDrawRepeat]

You don’t for either candidate if you care about Palestine….. this why democrats show their true colors…they place this idea of gender identity politics over human life or think it will resonate with their base…but it just doesn’t… If you cared about the Palestinians your only chose was really Jill Stein

[@l...m9415]

The alternative is to not vote for either or them surely

[@djsuupaa]

Bro needs some materialism in his life. All this idealism is why you’re surprised and upset. This video doesn’t mention the economy or inflation once. 😢

[@open_mike_eagle]

because I honestly dont think trump is going to do anything about either of those things

[@djsuupaa]

@ well he has to do something, the economy is going to move in various ways under his administration. It did the same during Biden’s and I think that is a major point you are missing out on. Jobs are harder to come by, and inflation has affected most Americans. That is more of an important issue to voters than “grab them by the pussy” or the Puerto Rico joke. Clips of random bad lines doesn’t work to people who see him saying “Trump will fix it” for hours.

[@elijahduarte4847]

ugh

[@mrFenwick76]

27:37 I take it this is meidas media you are referring to?

[@osbaldotheVtenman]

My first thought after this shit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b167k4t4pp2Wopo

[@lilachie]

Trump knows how to campaign why was Kamala using mainstream media and celebrities? 😂

[@open_mike_eagle]

to reach mainstream voters

[@clflamez6861]

You know who has people. Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Dana White. Shall I go on? Democrats focused too much on trump that they ignored all their mistakes. Before this year both Elon and Joe were pro democrats. But when democrats ignored them they switched sides and I can almost guarantee next election Elon will be running. Republicans know how to use celebrities properly and they know the right ones to pick.

[@dapernz]

How can Elon run if he wasn't born here?

[@clflamez6861]

@ you heard trump say he was going to remove parts of the constitution that go against him. The next four years you’re about to see a lot of stuff

[@romeod7549]

@@dapernzHe can’t 😂

[@MilliPSN]

This Dem Only drop makes me me sus on the 2020 numbers more than anything honestly. Mail in ballots maybe but thats a very significant fall off

[@open_mike_eagle]

its staggering

[@phantom_longbeach]

I didn't vote for anyone this year. I did it because of the genocide ongoing in Palestine. I am genuinely fucking ashamed of not voting now. I don't know how such an awful candidate got voted in, but I know I could have made a difference by voting for even just Jill Stein. I'm not excited for what's coming, and I know many people who were all about Kamala, up until voting night, and then everything shifted. I hear people playing "fuck Kamala Harris" in their trucks here in goddamn Los Angeles County of all places, I see Trump and anti-Harris graffiti all over the fucking place, I saw a skinhead neo-Nazi happily walking down the street earlier today, people I've seen around my apartment building were getting drinks and celebrating like we'd just won a fucking war or something. It genuinely felt like those flash back sequences in The Handmaid's Tale where the Laws of Gilead were just voted in. I'm very scared, and I can no longer predict what other people will do anymore. I genuinely believe full-heartedly in educating myself, getting involved more so in my community, and being 100% pro everything moving towards a socialist America. Not that I wasn't already, but I feel like I and everyone else who didn't vote neeeeeeeeed to do more; obviously I should have voted for the lesser evil, because Trump is the greater evil

[@TakverReturns]

😂 Sure....

[@sarawilliamson5420]

I wonder what it is like to be privileged enough that you can vote based on things happening in another country.

[@ahmedvader]

Fam it's a genocide, the Democrats could have been anti genocide and stood on leftist principles.

[@MadDgtl]

democrats' incompetence handing donald trump the keys to the kingdom twice in three election cycles and you still wanna cry about how the voters failed the party... completely unhinged sycophancy

[@deelovesamy]

Exactly! First time I’ve seen somebody say this!

[@christybell9587]

The Handmaid's Tale ~ 😪 not as far off as we thought

[@CampKillCommentary]

It don't matter who won. They are the exact same people. Stop being so emotional and silly. Be an adult.

[@open_mike_eagle]

kick rocks.

[@CampKillCommentary]

@@open_mike_eagle That's the exact opposite of what I just told you to do lol. Enjoy 4 years of acting like a child over something absolutely meaningless to you. Man, attention is a hell of a drug.

[@user-nn7ct3hk7c]

Only one of them was friends with Epstein.

[@T-v2k]

LMAO GO OUTSIDE 😭😭😭

[@grandchamp5ll]

Primms?

[@user-nn7ct3hk7c]

Crazy how people can care about politics and the consequences of this election, right?

[@T-v2k]

@@user-nn7ct3hk7c the consequences of the election aren't millions of people dying you fell for fear mongering and need to see real life (AKA going outside)

[@budzill]

23:31 All women aren't concerned with abortion rights. Most women either dont believe in abortion or dont ever plan on getting one. The right to an abortion is not an issue the Dems can hang their hat on anymore. Again, they are out of touch with their constituency. Things that affect all women: the economy, healthcare in general, education...

[@mediumvillain]

its not true at all that "most women dont believe in abortion" based on any available evidence. the majority of women AND men support the right to some form of abortion access

[@scarymonster7765]

​@@mediumvillain Totally, as reflected by the fact that nearly every popular vote on the issue has resulted in a pro-choice outcome, including in many red states. South Dakota and Nebraska were the only ones I've seen with a majority voting against abortion access (Nebraska being a very close split). The one in Florida lost despite people voting for abortion rights by a VERY clear margin (+14%). It's despicable to see American media framing it as "voters reject abortion access in Florida". A clear democratic mandate was rejected due to an unreasonably high threshold required to pass it. If the same threshold had been required to become governor of Florida or to win its electoral college votes, then DeSantis and Trump would both have fallen short in their most recent elections. Substantial numbers of Trump voters are voting for pro-choice propositions down ballot.

[@NatalieGarciaMayor]

Trump has ppl bc he’s aspirational and he knows how to talk to an audience bc he’s incredibly media trained and charismatic

[@Station_AI]

Hope "leftists" get everything they asked for in terms of Trump overseeing what is happening in Gaza.

[@luckygitane]

Nah none of that, get the fuck out of here with that shit

[@MadDgtl]

hope losing to trump 2/3 times by running a ham sandwich of a centrist candidate is a wake up call to the democrats and people like you trotting out this tired "the electorate failed the party" shtick are the minority

[@Anthropomorphic]

People rarely admit fault for anything. 99% of the time, the diagnosis is that we were right and should've tripled down instead of only doubling down.

[@Station_AI]

@@MadDgtl you know why the right wins? They understand the assignment, they don't squabble over policy, they go out and vote because they understand how political capital works. Kamalas centrist status is irrelevant in terms of what must occur for the broader mission to be successful.

[@MadDgtl]

@@Station_AI the democrats are the ones who failed to understand the assignment here. the assignment was "get enough people on board with your campaign to win the election", the republicans did that with their base, the democrats decided to condescend to the anti-war movement and trot out endorsements from republicans. it was an incoherent trainwreck of a campaign strategy that could only be hatched in a bubble that is deeply insulated from reality

[@papertiger9845]

If u thought kamala even had a chance, u need to go outside. Life in america is horrible n we’re sick of the lefty ideology. N trump was making a joke in that clip, get over it dog.

[@open_mike_eagle]

you cant come over here defending him saying that shit. if thats what you respect this aint the place for you.

[@blodiaaa6990]

Trump is the goat

[@romeod7549]

You do know that he’s not gonna let you blow him right? 😂

[@mjmatteo]

Sheldon Wolin: Fascism By Design kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6ulZX-QjdFslbMsi=2JDDfEuoeMbUMnTl