[TS:C] Trying the NEW UP CHALLENGER with its Creator & Tester!

In this video, we're checking out the brand new model of the Union Pacific Challenger in Train Simulator Classic! We are again joined by Justin, the beta tester for Smokebox; and by Smokebox himself! Unfortunately his microphone didn't work so we just got comments via chat, but it was great to get to run around with his creation with him.
The model is fantastic, and the textures are top-tier! Absolutely wonderful.
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[@greggorytame6672]

Me, a 3D train modeler: *furiously takes notes to apply to my own models*

[@Hyce777]

*yes* good

[@williamgrantham2463]

Personally I prefer the early challengers instead of the late, something about the central headlamp just makes it look complete

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

Yeah a 3800 class would be awesome!

[@PowerTrain611]

Same! Same with the N&W M class, their late in service look with the centered headlight just makes it look more modern and sharp!

[@jakethetallboi9028]

The late ones are the best

[@Borcheltski]

When you do a articulated locomotive, I hope you can find the artist rendering of a quintuplex 2-10-10-10-10-10-2 that was in the August 1951 Trains or the patent for a 2-8-8-8-8-8-2.

[@Sleeper____1472]

How about putting one of the Clinchfield: Elkhorn City to St. Paul? They did have them, labeled as E-3s. Would be neat to see how they would fair there, in proper livery or not.

[@Smokebox]

I've almost got the Clinchfield E-3 ready (it'll be a free, automatically downloaded, update to the pack).

[@caydenworley5002]

Honestly, I think the next step is get the N&W J-Class in this game, since the sheer detail and work out into the 844, Big Boy and Challanger shows Smokeboxes capabilities for American steam locos.

[@09JDCTrainMan]

Says a lot about the steam generation if it has 5 safeties

[@Naviss]

Smokebox, is a master with these engines.

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

This looks amazing. Been waiting a while for this one.

[@Dondo_Golden_Rose]

He really deserves a break after all the hard work he’s been putting in. Godspeed Smokebox

[@thunderturbine8860]

The Challenger looks beautiful. Love the whistles and the features. Jolly good show Hyce @Hyce

[@kfcgaming4891]

love your video hyce and the Challenger steam train is cool and have a great day.

[@trainguy611]

I have tried the Challenger and I absolutely love it!

[@DerpyPossum]

Modeling this beauty must’ve been a massive challenge ;)

[@billyrueckert5113]

Nothing like extreme metal expansion and contraction over the course of 6 minutes :)

[@FruitBrute2003]

sweet vid

[@Spanderson99]

Oooh this looks incredible! Smokebox has outdone himself again. When do we get some narrow gauge stuff of this quality? My Clear Creek route is collecting digital dust since there’s nothing this engaging to run up there!

[@Hyce777]

I would love that too!

[@danielgamboa1200]

Thats a very very big Choo Choo :0

[@ninjia7347]

I want to hear about the time Trevor's fire went out the stack.

[@Hyce777]

Engineer went to hook up the bar with both hands, 346 decided she wanted it all the way in the corner and it took him forever to get the throttle closed and bar re-set. She slipped for probably a good 8-10 seconds and literally half of the fire was just gone.

[@ninjia7347]

@@Hyce777 She was very hungry.

[@williamgrantham2463]

@@Hyce777 this is what happens when you don't give your engine wheel scritches, has to do it itself

[@jonathanslaughter8880]

I use to work for a tourist rr here in wv as a mechanic. Turning wheels on the f-7s is a nightmare. Getting the throat of the flange correct is ridiculously hard.

[@pokemontrainermichael5551]

Dang that's a beautiful steam engine

[@lucaknight_]

I wish there was a variation or a way to have a key binding to set it to have a classic central headlamp

[@daviddryden8088]

A major accomplishment in what DTG would have us believe is a dead physics engine. This could have been done 10 years ago if Dovetail let it happen organically. Smokebox and a handful of 3rd party route creators has shown how little of Phys X was utilized by the parent company. Follow the money trail. DTG plods out another TSW edition begging for your hard earned money like it's tomorrow's paper. Most of it looks like TSC with slightly better roadbed and a few more 4K textures. How many more years before they give us route creation? Shame on them. Beautiful and best steam locomotive bar none on any platform. Smokebox is a genius.

[@cheryldawdy5962]

Challengers and big boys are the largest steam locomotives union pacific fleet

[@NEAFarmKid4010]

I'm hoping that he can build an oil firing version of the Challenger and a 4014 excursion version. Then maybe an early Challenger or a 9000. But I may be dreaming a bit lol

[@TonyLasagna]

Gorgeous is right!

[@joeythecat7482]

I live near the town 844 had the flat spot incident

[@leslie0965]

great

[@Spook_Boi]

16:17 i paid for a safety factor of 4, im gonna use it god damnit

[@Shipwright1918]

Awesome. Begs the question if we're going to see a Smokebox 9000 to round off the UP Steam superpower list?

[@Hyce777]

I certainly hope we see one :)

[@tylerodonnell-paccione7523]

10:52 "must have been quite a challenge" >looks into camera also you put some respect on F units lol if nothing else they're purty

[@Ohiotrucker1]

Whistle 2 is from 3985

[@jetdestroyer9626]

Must go fast!!!!!!!!

[@Gabethenwr77]

Can’t wait for 3985 to return to steam

[@markstafford5586]

At some point in time would it be possible to have a chat re the simulation numbers when the start a train and thresholds for slipping.

[@Hyce777]

That would be a neat thing to discuss!

[@markstafford5586]

@@Hyce777 we seem to be able to replicate steam performance once we get going but it’s those first few turns of our driving wheels that concern me. Right now our numbers allow a driver to hit 50% throttle with the reverser in the corner and it will not slip. I think that way way wrong but we don’t know what we don’t know to fix it.

[@09JDCTrainMan]

I've been wondering, the Big Boy has a higher official top speed than the Challenger (80 mph vs 70 mph), but the Challenger has slightly larger drivers than the Big Boy (69" vs 68") and it is the smoothest riding articulated steam locomotive. One would think in theory, the Challenger can go faster than the Big Boy.

[@Hyce777]

I'd agree, that makes sense to me..

[@0v3rr1d3]

So we've got Larj Lad and Challenger...Allegheny next?

[@user-yn7pk6py2r]

hi this is wyatt

[@3900Class]

That was fast

[@edwardvincentbriones5062]

Dyk that 3985’s tender was used on 4014?

[@Hyce777]

Yup

[@jacobaubertin645]

Hyce, wasn't sure who else to ask, but the curiosity is killing me! How are double headed steam locos operated smoothly and efficiently? Do the engineers have hand signals, but lead controls brakes? I'm sure I'm overthinking it alot, but how does it work?

[@Hyce777]

Lead controls brakes, and everything else is feel. :)

[@jacobaubertin645]

@@Hyce777 Thanks! I bought the Big Boy yesterday. Needed to scratch that knowledge itch. I Double Headed 6.5kt over sherman hill.

[@lordhoth4443]

It will build quick-man who does not know hyce

[@richardjayroe8922]

They went to Clinchfield rr

[@dons3006]

I bought this DLC and absolutely love it. Is the speedometer intentionally left out?

[@Hyce777]

They didn't have them.

[@dons3006]

@@Hyce777 Smokebox just informed me about this on social media. I never would’ve guessed.

[@rjstandland4459]

Wen you are speaking there's a little reverp and it sounds like you are in a room alone.

[@Hyce777]

Yup! Office is all cleaned out and the lack of acoustic treatment plus fresh painted walls and a new ceiling

[@train0996]

will you look at the models for Train Simulator by Machine Rail?

[@Hyce777]

I did pick up the WM 2-8-0, but it's not really as compelling to operate so I was less interested in doing a video.

[@train0996]

@@Hyce777 what about the Cookes? the Moguls did get a release on the Steam Store, and I believe they plan to do the same with the Connies

[@Hyce777]

@@train0996 perhaps? I have not looked into those. Didn't realize they made them. That could be fun.

[@madmoe4]

So what is your fav rail game? I’m a pilot and have found I still enjoy flight sims and games, but I tend to like more realism than a non pilot probably does.

[@Hyce777]

Hard to say what my favorite is. For a true hardcore sim, these smokebox locomotives in train simulator classic are the best.

[@ethanhatcher5533]

Imma say it, imo Challengers>Big Boys

[@nw611J]

Hi Mark how’s it going hey I was wondering do you know how the C&TS rests there water on the railroad when they stop at a water stop? Also do you know why some of the tenders on the UPs big 3 had Super bearing caps on the trailing truck and tender trucks? Thanks ahead of time and I hope we can chat soon. Your freind Jeff aka NW611J.

[@Hyce777]

I do not understand what you mean re: the C&TS; and I have no idea about the bearing caps.

[@Smokebox]

They had Timken roller bearings to drastically reduce the friction losses. They were very free-rolling.

[@nw611J]

@@Hyce777 aww my bad man I was just wondering if the water in the towers was treated or if they added treatment when they took water.

[@nw611J]

@@Smokebox yes I know what roller bearings are they great bearings and that’s why they still use them today lol. Do you know why the UP never used roller bearing rods like the N&W did? I know they didn’t work like UP wanted them too but never knew the reason behind that.

[@Smokebox]

@@nw611J The Big Three (FEF-3, Big Boy, Challenger) do actually have roller bearings for the rods.

[@inotsmarty5700]

what's up with the reverberation in you voice? You in a tunnel or something?

[@Hyce777]

Lol! A freshly remodeled office that no longer has any acoustic treatment :P

[@Gabethenwr77]

Maybe 3977 and 3985 will double head

[@paulazygila1073]

So does the engine

[@Element-84]

Hi 🚂🚂🚂

[@paulazygila1073]

Do you think that the challenger gets over looked alot

[@Hyce777]

Certainly. Folks love the big boy too much. Both are very cool.

[@littlepastelkitten]

what happened to the dd40? im too stupid to be able to find anything

[@Hyce777]

Was there ever one for this game?

[@littlepastelkitten]

@@Hyce777 no I meant, y'all mentioned one in texas I wanted to know the story

[@Hyce777]

@@littlepastelkitten oh. they lost comm with it from the 844 and it was stuck in run 8, it slid all of 844's wheels flat trying to stop it.

[@littlepastelkitten]

@@Hyce777 lol oof expensive fail, must have been cool to see tho

[@Johndoe-jd]

Hyce will smokebox make a up 9000?

[@Hyce777]

I would love it if he did! I am not sure what he's working on next.

[@ninjia7347]

4-12-2 good luck getting it around any degree of corner.

[@halfgecko3202]

@@ninjia7347 remember, the 9000's so long they had to make her steer just so she 'could' turn

[@ninjia7347]

@@halfgecko3202 what do you mean steer?

[@halfgecko3202]

@@ninjia7347 she's so long they had to make her number 1 and 6 axles pivot just so she could manage the turns and switches found on the lines she ran

[@paulazygila1073]

What map is this? It looks cool😎

[@Hyce777]

Wasatch Grade.

[@marquezjohnston]

Which map is this?

[@Two_Bears]

Need a Big Boy

[@Hyce777]

Yo we've had the big boy in like 3 videos lol

[@hueyiroquois3839]

22:07 Claude Trains?

[@Hyce777]

Not sure

[@FutureRailProductions]

What route is this?

[@Hyce777]

Wasatch Grade

[@ellathegoldenpup-14_.25]

Uh, I don't think there's a Steam Engine that has a wheel arrangement of 2-10-10-10-10-10-2 or 2-8-8-8-8-8-2 well not that I've seen, because I'm searching on KZbin and I can't find any sources on those specific Steam Wheel Arrangements that were actually a success during 1936-1963 and goes on, so if you guys have any evidence that these locomotives actually exist, please by all means, do some research, and message me, or reply to this comment. I'm Skye and I'll S'yall on PAW Patrol.

[@spicymonkey7484]

Game?

[@alanowens826]

Train simulator

[@doyourememberme2904]

I honestly Prefer Eastern Steam Power Houses like the Allegheny Class or Pennsylvania Steam Locomotives. The Challenger or Big Boy are Both Really Nice Modeled Awesome Mod locomotives Smokebox built but in my opining are so over played by everyone and gets annoying and really old fast the Big Boy or Challenger can't compete with as such Raw Power as what the Eastern Railroads were doing. Largest Steam Locomotive Ever Built the Allegheny Class 2-6-6-6 C&O Most will say UP Big Boy 4-8-8-4 as that's a Lie, Blueprints Don't lie people only people online Lie as taking a closer look at the Allegheny shows that Massive Firebox and Smokebox Larger Steam Pistons just to name a few. Big Boy only has Length over any other Steam Locomotive on the Planet. The Big Boy or the Challenger aren't even on the Top 3 All time Most Powerful Steam Locomotives Ever Built. No.1 The Q2 Pennsylvania 4-6-4-4 being the Most Powerful ever built and doing it all from Climbing grades with more Freight to running at speeds higher than any other pulling more single handed, No. 2 The Yellowstone 2-8-8-4 Pushing the Limits of Power, No. 3 Allegheny Class C&O 2-6-6-6. You would think the Virgina Railway with the 2-8-8-8-4 would be the Topmost Powerful as it was but the Horsepower has shown that it's top speed of 18mph and not being able to Climb grades with more than 32 Freight cars makes it very disappointing sounding was a downfall of its build as it's considered to Be the Strongest ever Made but was only used for 8 months says it wasn't something Special as the Pennsy Q2 was that lasted 13 years in service. The Allegheny Steam Class would EAT both the Challenger & Big Boy up if made Correct as a in game Locomotive just by the scale size of them. PS. just a Note so anyone that doesn't believe this to be true, Don't Wikipedia it as that Program isn't true to nature as You or myself can change the facts of anything on how that Search Engine works. My info is direct as it came from Washington DC Library Historical Artifacts, if ever been you're not allowed to take out anything but can Photocopy almost anything in their archives that Proves its 100% Legit As these 3 Steam Locomotives are.

[@trainanimator8150]

hyce when was the last time you even made a video on challenger

[@ChaosAgent1218]

smh

[@trainanimator8150]

@@ChaosAgent1218 what? edit:can i not ask hyce when the last time he made a video on challenger

[@Johndoe-jd]

@@trainanimator8150 this is his first challenger video

[@trainanimator8150]

@@Johndoe-jd thats kinda sad