WHO WILL FINISH WITH THE MORE SPECIAL CAREER, SIDNEY CROSBY OR ALEX OVECHKIN?

Bryan Hayes weighs in with Gino Reda and Dave Poulin to discuss who will finish with the better career.

[@1964mcqueen]

Its been great watching these two compete over the years. I am a Sid fan and believe he is "more special" due to his two way game, but even more special are his championships and gold medals. After all, winning is the name of the game.

[@SSNESS]

Sid is so much better

[@user-zn6cy7hs5z]

Его даже с Лемьё не сравнить - а Ови давно уже с Гретцки сравнивают (хотя бы по голам)

[@finchaplin]

Sidney Crosby, more well rounded, 2 way player, more silverware and accomplishments, and a better big game player.

[@SSNESS]

Sid all the way

[@brettlaliberty]

So basically better in every metric except "open passes not made"

[@user-zn6cy7hs5z]

Личных достижений у Ови больше

[@vic5721]

Wow. Surprised you picked ovi. He's right under crosby in my opinion but I don't know how these were not mentioned. Sid, 4 finals and 3 stanley cups, junior gold, world cup gold, and of course....the golden goal in the 2010 Olympics. At the end of the day the overall team achievements triumphs.

[@ChrisMathieu83]

No kidding! It's exactly where my mind went was all the championships that Crosby has won compared to Ovechkin. 3 Stanley cups and the Golden goal in Canada for Olympic gold medal ends the conversation in my books!

[@rolieg81]

When OV captures back to back Conn Smythe 🏆 then we'll talk.

[@nhchel]

As a huge Ovi fan I don’t think anyone can definitively say either of them. They are both incredible players and play the game very different. We have been extremely lucky to have witnessed them play.

[@user-vk1yx5tz7l]

Both are legendary!

[@johnjohnston3879]

Both equally, carried a generation and did it magically.

[@superkjell]

Hockey is a team game so stats for any individual only paints part of the picture.

[@daykin17]

Is Hayes wearing a hair piece ??

[@kevinkelly4436]

828 goals in 19 seasons is a incredible accomplishment.

[@MACK0142]

They will be linked forever in NHL history...similar to Magic&Bird. I seriously doubt you will be able to mention one without the other.

[@GaganChahal]

Crosby is in a class of his own

[@Gerik.75]

Unpopular opinion: I think both will end on a deep run, First with Ovi then the 3 stars in Pitt (Geno, Sid, Tanger) I’ve felt this strongly since the 21 season where guys like Carey Price, Patrice Bergeron, Mark Stone…all these Legends would go out on a high note before the League is handed over to Mcdavid & Matthews ect…

[@bradsportsmedia]

Sid, no question in. my mind

[@NikolaJokerMVP15]

OVECHKIN

[@cheeto1171]

Both they are this era doesn't matter both

[@Glacialspring]

They should let them use performance enhancing substances Nhl should be the first league to do it

[@Connor8609]

They have twisted this question a thousand different ways in order for it to be remotely interesting. Crosby is the best, it's not been close for a very long time. The versus argument of this is beyond played out. Love them both, think they're both incredible.

[@ChrisMathieu83]

Three Stanley cups, and an Olympic gold medal, of which Sidney Crosby scored the winning goal in overtime in Canada with the weight of an entire country on his shoulders. I don't need much time to think about this it's Crosby to me all day!

[@clearlyarussianbot]

It's kind of a stupid argument. But I guess Ovi if he breaks Gretzky's goal record. He would be talked about. Sid had been a rock solid player who hasn't declined at all. Both great in their own right, but Ovi purely by the nearly unbreakable record he is moving toward.

[@marksibley4546]

Sid

[@September2004]

Crosby had the better, more career but I think Ovechkin will be remembered by fans especially if he beats Gretzky’s record.

[@BC-th3mx]

Yeah, nobody outside of Canada or Pittsburgh is remembering Sid the way they are Ovechkin...

[@JAKDRZR]

If you don’t think Cosby can beat Lemieux in points your mistaken. They are only 200 points apart and Crosby is on for a 100+ point season.

[@jeanjacques9365]

But making the claim that he had more impact for the franchise or even just that he was better than Lemieux is a far stretch.

[@brandonconnelly6562]

O I will.have the goals record but that won't be enough to get him on the Rushmore. When it's all said and done Sid maybe. Besides 99 who has put the league on their back longer than Sid. The answer... NOBODY.. Iean unless you liked watching NHL on VS lmao

[@G3NK5T42]

Bryan Hayes was the only one who answered the first question correctly. "WHOSE CAREER WILL HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIAL?" Dave Poulin made an argument for why he believes that Sydney Crosby is an all-around better hockey player than Alex Ovechkin. Bryan Hayes made an argument for why Alex Ovechkin will have the more special career. As great as Sid is in both what he's achieved individually and for his team, it doesn't trump the fact that Ovi will most likely surpass Wayne Gretzky in ALL-TIME REGULAR SEASON GOALS (894). It's a record that the majority of hockey fans believed that'll NEVER be beaten. How many people laughed and called Ovi's fans crazy when they said that he's going to pass Gretzky's 894 regular season goals? As recent as a few years ago, I've come across comments of people mocking those who said that Ovi is the greatest goal scorer and will beat Gretzky's record. So at the end of the day, Ovi's career will be significantly more special because he will be regarded as the greatest goal scorer with the most career regular season goals scored of all-time! This cannot be argued! You can look at it in the following way. Will future NHL fans, 20, 50, 100 years from now, know about Ovi and/or Crosby? Currently, Crosby is 29th All-Time in Goals (551, 16th All-Time in Assists (952), & 15th All-Time in Points (1,503) in his 1,191 Games Played in 18 Seasons. His Goals Per Game Avg is 0.46%, Assist Per Game Avg is 0.80%, Points Per Game Avg is 1.26%, and his Games Play Per Season Avg is 66. If he retires at 38, playing 20 Seasons, then that could add 132 more Games Played, totalling 1,323 Career Games Played. He'll probably score 60 Goals, totalling 611 Career Goals. He'll probably get 105 Assists, totalling 1,057 Career Assists. That'll come out to 165 Points, totalling 1,668 Career Points. Assuming he retires after his 20th Season and he puts up the Goals, Assists, and Points based on his Career Avg, then that'll get him ranked 18th All-Time in Career Regular Season Goals, 10th All-Time in Career Regular Season Assists, and 9th All-Time in Career Regular Season Points. While those stats are incredible and incredibly difficult to achieve, it still won't hold the same weight as being ranked #1 All-Time in Career Regular Season Goals! That's why Ovi's career will be more special!

[@Chakdefatte194]

Sidney,

[@burnout_2017]

Its all about the cups.....

[@zigfield723]

Honestly nobody will really respect ovi in the right way, Gretzky scored his goals without even really trying in the last half of his career. All Ovi ever did was try to score goals. Where is Ovechkin on the all-time assists list? That will say alot. He's nowhere in the stratosphere.

[@rodrigoandrade920]

We should enjoy both of them while we can. Pointless discussion.

[@SuperkickStudios]

crosby🐐

[@marielorrainemcgrathgeorge1954]

Sidney Crosby &! Alex Trade with Toronto maple leafs 2:02 2:04

[@MrYouarethecancer]

This isn’t even a competition. Sid is a top 5 player of all time.

[@ethanparker7900]

As a caps fan, Crosby prolly will be more memorable when it comes to a team but ovi is more memorable when it comes to grit, toughness, pride and records. Both have their own different sets of skills and perspectives which gave them opportunities to record milestones and win cups. Obviously you can find so many guys whoa re like crosby and playmakers but ovi is one of a kind who we'll prolly never see the element he brings again once he calls it quits.

[@ericmcmullen6254]

So many who are like Crosby ? wtf ? wow. I think 100% the other way arround. One is a multi skill player good everywhere on the ice.(thats quite rare) The other one is a shooter. (not rare at all.)

[@ethanparker7900]

the way ovi does it though there isn't much like that. Teh only other ones who could prolly relate to him would be either Stamkos or Brett Hull@@ericmcmullen6254

[@kashshhds8824]

If u break the goal record I feel that would out beat everything aside from a point record so I’m Taking ovi In That situation

[@ripapa6355]

This video is not ageing well for of few of you :0

[@adamlewis5700]

Crosby is the greatest player and greatest winner of this generation. I can understand the phrasing of "special" though. Ovi will do something and own a record all by himself. He'll be number one at something. Crosby won't be.

[@TheBasileman]

NHL: Ovi NHL + International: Crosby

[@achillesninja]

Crosby better overall career. But ovie breaking goal. Records is masterful. Id say equal

[@markoconnell4518]

Crosby is a much better 200 foot player, much better points per game, 3 Cups, and Olympic Golden goal. Ovie’s teams have consistently underperformed both in the NHL and internationally because he is not a good leader. It’s not even close.

[@gershomtan5879]

Sid has the silver ware to back it all up. Pretty sure he has won every trophy possible from juniors to international play tp the NHL. Ovie goes down as the greatest goal scorer of all time. Crosby is undoubtedly a top 5 player of all time.

[@briancharters8720]

The great EIGHT! Goal…after goal…after goal! OVIE!!!

[@karmabutterfly7985]

The only reason Ovi is the greatest goal scorer is bc Sidney was sidelined for so long and so many times with concussions that other players deliberately gave him 😂 if they weren’t playing dirty it was Sidney who was on his way to have that let’s be for real here.

[@ozzydo2314]

No. False in every way. Even if aid never missed a game, he'd be a couple hundred goals behind ovechkin amd the goals per game agree.

[@jeanjacques9365]

Different position one player plays on the defensive end the other never has which leads to yes fewer goals but bigger impact on the team results.

[@GaganChahal]

Defense wins. That's why Ovi barely got a Cup@@ozzydo2314

[@Brian-dg3gh]

Crosby will be mentioned in GOAT conversations and Ovie will not. It’s that simple.

[@fredbmurphy]

People keep forgetting about playoff goals, concerning Gretzky. Ovi needs more goals still.

[@jeanjacques9365]

That's not how the records are kept. You compare things that are the same which is regular seasons otherwise you are comparing 82 games players with potentially 110 games players based on the quality of their teams not based on the players themselves. That's why regular seasons and playoffs records are separated.

[@fredbmurphy]

@jeanjacques9365 if you want to get technical about it then, if Ovenchin doesn't do it in 20 seasons, it won't mean as much. Gretzky played 20 seasons.

[@jeanjacques9365]

@@fredbmurphy no because its career goals its acceptable to compare different lenght career because its a testament to ones ability to stay healthy and relevant longer while playing the same amount of games each year

[@fredbmurphy]

@jeanjacques9365 you can still go to regular season games played, then you are out of excuses; Ovi must get something like another 60 or 70 goals (I can't recall his mark at the moment) in 123 more games. It will be close. But if he doesn't do it, that will not make him the greatest goal scorer of all time, only the one with the most goals, if longevity allows it.

[@jeanjacques9365]

@@fredbmurphy You got it all wrong... Gretzky doesn't have the most goal per game average either if that's the metric you are trying to use and Ovi beats him in that metric too. Neither of them is the greatest goal scorer in that sense the record is about the most scored goal in NHL. You are the one trying to make excuses and deny Ovi the record that everyone understands but you.

[@user-yg1dg6xm2g]

What league-wide records does Crosby hold? If Ovechkin surpasses Gretzky's goal-scoring record, his career will be more memorable. Indeed, if Ovechkin breaks the all-time goal-scoring record, he will be a topic of conversation in the hockey world for years to come.

[@seanweatherson534]

Crosby is on pace to have the most point per game seasons in a career you doughnut. Look at Crosby’s point totals compared to Ovechkin’s, his all around game defensively and offensively, his international gold medals in the olympics twice, the World Cup in 2016, the world juniors, and of course his 3 Stanley cups, which also might increase before he’s done. This is no contest.

[@user-yg1dg6xm2g]

​@@seanweatherson534 It is unlikely that people will remember Crosby's "all-around game defensively and offensively" 20 years from now. What will matter most are the point totals, and Crosby is unlikely to crack the top 3 in points. On the other hand, Ovechkin, with the designation of being the #1 goal scorer in history, will have his name mentioned time and time again.

[@user-yg1dg6xm2g]

@@seanweatherson534 A title like "Most Point-Per-Game Seasons" would certainly be impressive, but it will not hold as much weight as "The Greatest Goal Scorer of All Time." Ovechkin's goal-scoring prowess has the potential to make his name more memorable in the long run.

[@seanweatherson534]

⁠@@user-yg1dg6xm2gThere should be a distinction between “greatest goal scorer of all time” and “scored the most goals in NHL history”, because Gretzky will have completed the feat in far fewer games than Ovechkin did. Therefore, while Ovechkin is all but guaranteed to surpass Gretzky’s total, in my opinion he is not the greatest goal scorer of all time.

[@user-yg1dg6xm2g]

​@@seanweatherson534 You are incorrect. While I can't find the most up to date statistics just now, Ovechkin's career Goals Per Game average has typically been higher than Gretzky's career GPG.

[@markjones2854]

Ovechkin tbh with you

[@HockeyNationHD]

Patrick Kane, who along w his team stole the era from them. Dominated ratings, merch sales, and the public consciousness esp in the US. More iconic moments by himself than these two combined times 20. The two most famous goals in NHL history. The most famous celebrations. Endless clutch moments w everyone watching and everything on the line. Sid's closest thing to an iconic moment is an international tourney goal.

[@user-vk1yx5tz7l]

Ok buddy haha

[@HockeyNationHD]

@@user-vk1yx5tz7l it's just a fact.

[@jeanjacques9365]

Nice troll

[@HockeyNationHD]

@@jeanjacques9365 completely accurate. Kane is the most special player in modern NHL history. magical player. you want to show the iconic moments and highlights and goals and cellies that are known nationally outside the NHL, it's all Kane and the Hawks.

[@coltongillis6476]

It's not even a question... Crosby is wayyyy better

[@caltabat8313]

You play to win cups. Sid got 3. Better than ovi and better than Mario. 3 cups 4 appearances. Nuff said. Much much respect to Mario and ovi tho. But definitely sid

[@rafalpruszynski1707]

Is this a joke? Crosby already has the much better career. Ovi will not break 99's record and as far as best of their franchise, the Capitals are a failed franchise while the Pens have legions of Hall of Famers in their past and Cup success. Ovi is a failed, selfish player. He's nothing but a one-dimensional volume shooter