Dragon Ball Would Fall Apart Without Vegeta

[@Seanny313]

My glorious prince of all saiyans and getting his flowers 😂

[@bigstarwarsfan5714]

You watch Sage?

[@Seanny313]

@@bigstarwarsfan5714absolutely, great content

[@josephdent6825]

Hey I know that guy

[@daredarrow6704]

What's a prince to the GLORIOUS KING?

[@dariodramac]

Glorious Prince solos,tho...​@@daredarrow6704

[@TyAintGonEatNoiHop]

Peak Vegeta Luther HIMothy Vandross The Fourth 😈

[@saphiremartes4997]

Craziest shit about Vegeta preventing frieza from being immortal is that Frieza is damn near immortal at this point.

[@Randomguyusee]

If Frieza actually got that wish of becoming immortal even if Goku had became a super Saiyan he would have still lost and never return back to earth in along with them being immortal hero went straight to Earth or just continuing the universe

[@saphiremartes4997]

@ no for sure. It’s likely that if frieza was immortal but the fight played out the same, nothing changes. He survived the explosion any way but his power would still deplete. There’s a good chance Goku makes it off namek. It’s just when frieza goes to earth the story probably ends there

[@Randomguyusee]

@@saphiremartes4997 literally if the fight went the same way with Frieza being immortal he would not worry about taking damage since he's immortal any killing shot he would take he could just regenerate and at that time when he was facing super Saiyan Goku Frieza would not let Goku get off that planet so really if Frieza gets immortality it's bad news

[@kvngmilfromnap]

@@Randomguyuseefacts enough said 🤣🙌🏾

[@Randomguyusee]

@@kvngmilfromnap it's just the truth frieza would have been bad news if he got his wish

[@jibril209username]

The vegeta disrespect in his own video is crazy 😭

[@kandelljordan1018]

It’s not even a conversation- Vegeta gas been stronger than Goku numerous times in the story. Goku just catches up. Now (post- superhero arch) they both are about equal in raw power hence the focus on either of their devine techniques

[@victorm.6760]

Outside of the sayin saga, the namek saga (before goku gets to namek), and after he leaves the time chamber (before Goku and Gohan enter themseleves), Goku has always been stronger than Vegeta. It's Vegeta always playing catch up...

[@IDSebby-d7p]

Sage reacting to SIX I need to watch this 💯

[@5001Fergies]

i love how Six’s voice is so recognizable i knew immediately it was him 😂

[@NexalZita]

3:41 you know i always thought the moment vegeta learn to sense energy was the moment Krillin threw the spirit bomb at him.

[@ic3man213]

I thought the same thing then somebody said it had 2 be sometime while he was fighting Goku between losing the beam struggle & turning great ape because he jumped over the distructo disc

[@cgrandall625]

Vegeta has always been my favorite DB character, not because I dislike the rest of the cast but because he often does things the viewer wants him to do. I mean sure does he do a lot of stupid and selfish things? Absolutely. But when the side characters are done doing what the story needs them to do and someone has to take out the trash who do you call? Vegeta comes along and no questions asked and ups his kill count.

[@mdxque8393]

Nuh… other then Goku, Bulma is the most important character in Dragon Ball: -She finds Goku -She has the dragon ball radar -She makes a space ship -She makes a Time Machine. -She “makes” Trunks There’s probably more but those are the ones I can think of right now. Don’t get me wrong Vegeta is cool but he not the “most important character”.

[@firionkaiser8291]

In the context of early Dragonball sure but later Dragonball, Vegeta is one of the most important characters.

[@roger-3874]

"She makes Trunks"? No, this is bullsh*t, it's not an active action. And anyway without Vegeta Trunks wouldn't be born

[@firionkaiser8291]

@roger-3874 That's a fair point. She's like Frieza's race so she would still need Vegeta to make Trunks. Even if you try to argue about Yamcha being Trunks dad instead, the kid would be even worse off since he's just a human and would require a lot more to be where the actual Trunks was at when he went back to defeat the androids in his own timeline.

[@roger-3874]

@@firionkaiser8291 i still think Bulma is the most important character im dragon ball, i was only arguing about semantics. It could be made an argument that Bulma, Vegeta are the most useful plot devices in dragon ball, like Vegeta and Bulma have a lot connections with other aliens

[@theomnigamer9177]

Bulma hasn’t made a Time Machine as she stated herself. She said her Future self. Not to mention the timelines are vastly different they might as well be different characters. And Bulma doesn’t make a Spaceship. They used the Namekian Spaceship the Nameless Namekian used to get to Earth. Bulma’s Dad, Dr. Briefs makes a Spaceship that Goku uses to get to Namek. The remote she made went to waste. Her and another person has to make a child, so that point is invalid. Her Major contributions that are her own are really the Dragon Radar. Because Grandpa Gohan was the one that found Goku.

[@DjTeeray]

I definitely think without Vegeta staying around this series wouldn’t have been nearly as popular and made its mark on history the way it did

[@keithtimes9285]

33:38 Sage calling Nahare “a cool guy with aura” 😂 I had to go back and see if I missed a Daima reaction. I knew sage would change his opinion of Supreme Kai a bit after that episode 😂

[@mangodango1733]

Goku and piccolo in Drivers Ed is peak though

[@highbeamneem4607]

I think it makes sense that everywhere else but Earth just relies on scouters. It tracks that the aliens of space are more numbers based in evaluating strength, whereas Earth relies more on feeling and intrinsic abilities

[@arsenewenger4847]

Kai isn’t completely accurate to the manga either. The dialogue in the manga is blunt and simple. Kai sounds unnatural and like someone is writing a thesis.

[@Romeo_of_Romelution]

Did this guy just called the mangaka for Dragonball an underrated author? Idk what you are smoking, but I need it.

[@fxcjxfyjxjyyyyyy]

six gon get a bag wit this one

[@armagodujr9855]

Hilarious how “BIG KU” kinda translates to “big ass” in portuguese 😂😂😂

[@shrunkenderp]

Nobody got hustle like Namek saga Vegeta!

[@shrunkenderp]

Gotta to get you some of that

[@burbusburbus8782]

12:00 honestly, ignoring the fact that goku is the main character so 8/10 times hed win, the fight is so weird Guy who can't get hit vs guy who gets stronger as he gets hit. Ultra instinct may not be able to one tap Ultra ego, but until he takes a lot of damage, Ultra Ego probably isn't hitting Ultra Instinct

[@Lorne_Archer]

The way I've always seen that fight go is UE is no where near UI power wise at the beginning but then as the fight progresses eventually UE would provide enough strength and speed to override UI...granted Vegeta would need to tank enough hits and still be able to fight lmfao

[@dariodramac]

Bassically,the fight would go as it did in "what if 19,ultra ego vegeta vs mastered ultra instinct goku" by hyorinjutsu.

[@Lorne_Archer]

@@dariodramac well I don't read or watch fan manga but I'm glad someone else came to my conclusion lmfao

[@Interestingknowledge100]

Give me kai with z music and im straight

[@lukadoncic5344]

I reckon if we based vegeta purely off frieza arc and pretended like the show ended there he’s the best version of vegeta, but with hindsight of what his character still is in cell arc and how he acts (which is important because it showed he was still damn near just as arrogant and flawed after his “said development” in frieza arc). Which for me that makes the end of buu saga vegeta the best developed and written version of vegeta. Frieza arc was the most entertaining nonetheless

[@KGgaming05]

I agree as a character his best version is Buu Sage, but if we are talking about the overall story it's Freeza because without him you can't get to the Cell or Buu saga.

[@bigz_zdog1116]

Vegeta is cool I still think Zamasu drives the plot more than any other character in dragon ball, dragon ball z, and super. You could even make a statement for gt Zamasu moves all the plot. TSOGANG

[@michaelfr6290]

The briefs family is just the plot device family

[@Simonthediggerofficial]

Day one of asking them tso to watch tengan toppa gurren lagann

[@baronroy2012]

I'm gonna give 16 a pass since his dome piece was literally split open, but if he thought his bomb could take out Perfect Cell then he should've blown it when that bug bastard was trying to absorb 18

[@Zoro_wanoarc]

Yes it would fall apart without him but he could never complete it 🤣

[@Godx_Junior]

I ain’t finna lie bulma dad could have made all the stuff bulma made…I mean the ship Goku used to get to Namek in wayyyy less time than krillin and Gohan was made by bulmas dad🤷🏾‍♂️…capsule corp was made by bulma dad let’s give bulma dad his flowers without him there is no positive end to the Namek saga. There is no bulma without him🤷🏾‍♂️

[@OrangeFRFR]

33:37 POKÉMON BLACK AND WHITE MENTION 🗣️🔥

[@trickshotingpanda5276]

3:53 wouldn’t them being more advanced in technology and being in Frieza’s empire boosts their arrogance n limit their accessibility n flexibility to adopt new things like Vegeta since he literally playing both sides

[@Blank578]

My problem with Cell saga Vegeta is that the flaw(s) that he had were too bloated for his character. I do agree that characters having flaws is really beneficial to their overall design. The main issue with that however is that the flaws have to be understandable given their circumstances. Super Goku is a perfect example of how this concept both positively and negatively impacts characters. Goku in Super is much more chill, eager to fight, and fun guy. Which makes sense given the prolonged peace and his continued beliefs of seeing the better in even evil people as well as the fact that he's getting older and will eventually be out of his prime. If this was all that was changed going into Super then Super Goku could debatably be even better than Z Goku, but we all know that Goku doesn't just become more energetic and optimistic, but also a crayon eater. Most people would agree with me when I argue that Goku shouldn't have became as dumb as he was in Super because he just wasn't in Z and regardless of how carefree he might have justifiably became you can't say that it makes just as much sense for him to become more dumb. Even if it did provide more funny and relatable moments it doesn't match up with his character. This makes it harder to fall under the illusion of Goku's character as an actual person that can be understood as his actions and personality are clearly being manipulated to better serve content that Goku's actual character doesn't perfectly fit into. Now that the tangent is over we can get back to the main topic being Cell saga Vegeta. Him letting Cell go after 18 to achieve his perfect form is one thing, but then actively helping him by fighting Trunks is much more stupid. I will agree at first this moment isn't the worst for Vegeta as it makes sense given his saiyan pride to be arrogant like he was especially after becoming temporarily stronger than Goku. The problem is that Vegeta became too arrogant for character to be considered a flaw in their personality, but more so a writing flaw. You praised Vegeta in the Namek saga for being strategic enough to not make extremely stupid decisions and still being arrogant at the same time, leaving Vegeta wiggle room for arrogant actions to fall under a personality flaw umbrella. The arrogance Vegeta displays against Cell is out of this world however in comparison to the max he should be. He let the being that was much stronger than the androids that wiped out all of the z fighters except Goku in the alternate timeline go after another android after he just got significantly stronger by eating just one of them as well as actively fighting his son who knows how dangerous that is instead of just letting Cell go risking both his wife and son(s)' lives. When you compare this to how he treated Ginyu in res f, Guldo, and Frieza, Goku Black(granted he did explain the whole rage concept), Beerus, Buu, Frost, Cabba, Jiren, and Toppo he was way too over confident with Cell and went out of character making him seem even worse in his worst arc in z.

[@Ysmnfgj]

We need a sage and six video going over both dragon ball and Naruto hot takes

[@Turles5Ds]

Day 5 of putting Sage on Dragon Ball Deliverance, fan series on the channel "FRAME ONE". EP 1 might be mid but rest peak trust bro.

[@dariodramac]

May you spare a moment to suggest "dragon ball:after" to sage?

[@HomeNuke]

We watching 6 vids? HELL YUH

[@tablesalt5509]

W six reaction

[@dariodramac]

Reccomendation:dragon ball:after...please g.o.a.t. we need this

[@arealnika]

Finally reacting to Six 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[@miguelzepeda9086]

If oolong hadn't made the wish, dragon ball would be a pilaf story

[@Whoa_Oasis]

I'm not the most knowledgeable on DB lore, so I apologize if this is a stupid question, but why does Vegeta still call himself the prince of all Saiyans? His dad is dead, he's the King now, right?

[@Randomguyusee]

You know what that makes sense but I don't know why but it doesn't ring right you know what I mean

[@jdudbdjxb7687]

Its kinda hard to take the crown when 99% of all Saiyans are dead, theres no kingdom left But at that point why even call yourself a prince? Or maybe because there needs to be an official ceremony for it, idk

[@Randomguyusee]

@@jdudbdjxb7687 I personally I don't know why but Vegeta just says it goes hard

[@firstdegreesports5120]

Yeah I gotta say plot device wise it's the Buu Saga. Cause say Vegeta just dgaf Goku is coming back, doesn't go to the tournament. Goku would just beat Dabura and that'd be the end of the arc pretty much.

[@hermanwhirlwind8086]

My glorious King Vegeta will never lose to Kakorot. NEVER!

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

manga buu saga as a whole gets stomped by the anime

[@ThyUseless]

You should do a deagon ball z drinking game every time they grunt take a drink

[@MikuVatika]

Shortie is getting his roses

[@Randomguyusee]

Shortie taller than the majority of z fighters

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Gohan vs Garlic Jr was awesome 😎

[@xeno8131]

Earth wasn’t the only planet to have energy sensing yardrat did to

[@marioguy23]

dbz tenkaichi 2 opening panel bottom right ifykyk 36:38

[@xard2803]

I'm actually rewatching Dragon Ball Z right now and as much as I prefer this version they make so many random noises to fill up dead air in the show. I'm used to it by now but man it can get annoying for regular people which I fully understand.

[@SuperStarBrodie]

Sage LESSS gooo

[@CornadaTV]

Oh shit, Sage actually reacting to Six? One step closer to the Seth reactions

[@Ctgfsuper]

React to sensible sayian goku vs Freiza part 1 and 2

[@firstdegreesports5120]

The GOAT Vegeta 🔥😈

[@Br3ezy215]

The dabura wasted character ppl def got bailed by daima now they have so much more ammo towards that take😂😂😂😂 32:44

[@blehfaygo]

exactly this is why vegeta is my goat 😂

[@neo84401]

Guldo can sense energy

[@iankendall8467]

Hot take Frieza would have never been able to become immortal because of his drive to do everything by himself he would have never learned the password and he is too racist to learn to namekian, also he would've killed them all.

[@markmeeky2651]

We need Super Saiyan Rage in Daima.

[@WalterWhite-b2u]

Bro u gotta watch the new hood jjk

[@thokucheetah]

I lowkey feel like he da one makin naruto and db unhinged...

[@Pharese00]

Nah it ain’t him 😂

[@virgiltoms5701]

NEW HOOD JJK !!!!!!!!!!

[@Encararr]

You gotta watch Sensible Saiyan now

[@KGgaming05]

Vegeta is a big plot device in Freeza Sage because without him you don't get the Buu or cell sage, Freeza wins. Vegeta is the best in Freeza Saga 100% in my opinion, Cell Saga Vegeta is still good we just say his flaws as a character which I like about him, characters with flaws, or just many levels to makes you understand why they think and do think that the do. (p.s. everyone in the Cell Sage was flawed even Goku and Gohan). Buu saga was the last piece to his character before and after he died. Overall best version of him is Freeza Saga I Will Die on a hill on that the other versions are still good but if we are talking about him as a character and moving the story it is Freeza Saga 1000%.

[@nikcantsnipe]

A six video? I agree he is very important but Bulma is more important.

[@bobyme]

8:18 🧸

[@RospettoVerte]

kai > z for dub z > kai for sub

[@Umbra_Okkotsu]

Six is weird. Pls be careful

[@potte2314]

Don't need to watch to know the answer, Dragon Ball would be fine without Vegeta bc Goku is the soul of the show from before Vegeta was created. I don't care to hear that vegeta pushed goku this way or that when tien is there, piccolo is there and otherworldly Saiyans are there too to provide what vegeta provided, which was exposition, and a rival.

[@DjTeeray]

Idk who gave you a hard time about Vegeta being stronger than Goku during the android 19 part but I definitely agree that Vegeta was stronger than a healthy Goku, just by a little bit tho, I’d say by 1.25x

[@codesshanahan2835]

VEGETA MY KING

[@mikemccloskey3577]

And I totally agree about toriyama is underrated dragon Ball Z is one of the best stories name something more original and that's came out in 30 years I know it has similar things as super Man but he's not a rip off character please name one

[@jamescadet4450]

Vegeta’s my second favorite character but I face palm at the fans that be like “Vegeta carried Dragon Ball “ or “Dragon Ball wouldn’t be good without Vegeta” like Dragon Ball was already doing good Before Vegeta was even a character hence why we even have Dragon Ball Z!! But I understand not a lot of people read or watched OG.

[@Incorrect_Buzzerr_alt]

I wouldn't say Vegeta carried DB. Maybe second fiddle at best because of course first place goes to our glorious king SON GOKU!!! but Vegeta definitely had some important plot device roles, and I think there probably wouldn't be some certain things without Vegeta. He's definitely had his moments, y'know? But yeah, I don't agree with the sentiment of him outright carrying Dragon Ball.

[@edwinsolis5710]

Very true. Vegeta is a very important about Z, but Dragon Ball would still be loved and highly influential without him. But DBZ as we know it relies on Vegeta. And that’s ok because every character-Gohan, Trunks, Vegeta, etc are all necessary characters to make DBZ what it is.

[@Incorrect_Buzzerr_alt]

@@edwinsolis5710 Oh I wasn't trying to imply that DBZ wouldn't be influential without Vegeta! Just that I think some events hinged on Vegeta's presence. Namek, for example. How would they have handled the set up for Super Saiyan without Vegeta? To me, he's the one who introduces the idea as a whole, and leads up to that moment. I don't think that moment would've been as impactful without Vegeta's set up to it. But I see your point too! Your input is cool. 👍😊

[@davonbrack2705]

vegeta da goat

[@jacksonsher]

No Saiyan's except Goku and Broly and his father would have survived withought vegeta because they sent egeta away with his crew so he would not die but if vegeta did not exist Nappa and Raditz would have died too

[@lukadoncic5344]

Namek vegeta> namek goku. This should really be a grass is green take considering the build up and everything vegeta done before goku was even apart of the arc

[@Gilbert_Dice_Gottfried]

Namek Goku was one of the best gokus. Namek Goku had so much swagger when he approached the Ginyu force and effortlessly took them out. During the frieza fight Goku had so much bravado, no matter how much damage he had taken. Namek Goku is iconic but namek vegeta is also very iconic. Especially because he wasn’t a good guy yet

[@M33zY23]

What did Tien do wrong?

[@randommoments5894]

25:00 how is it trunks fault 💀

[@honeybunkid41]

i'm smoking all over your glorious prince

[@popeye697]

16:16 I hate to break it to Vegeta fans, but Vegeta was not stronger than Goku when he fought android 19. Goku was not at full strength. In fact, he probably hadn't been at full strength during his training leading up to the fight and just didn't realize it.

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

how strong is full strength goku then? quantify the nerf.

[@Randomguyusee]

16:05-16:43 sage Literally talked about this when piccolo who can gauge Goku took a first glance at Vegeta I said he's maybe stronger than Goku and the thing is this is the same piccolo who trained 3 years with Goku and gohan

[@R0s3456]

​@@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoaptbf tien recognizes goku was already out of breath just by flying and super saiyan made the virus worst. I think gohan said something about goku not seeing the symptoms so he never the medicine preventively. This implies the virus was active before they were on the island and given his future self died from said virus, it's probably a substantial nerf

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

@@R0s3456 exactly; "probably." we know he was stronger, but not by how much. on top of that, what we do know is that vegeta is equal in power to 18, which to my knowledge goku has no scaling to. there's also a potential line of argument with nappa only being 14% stronger than piccolo, yet piccolo calling him IMMORTAL. meaning if piccolo's statements for goku being weaker aren't on that level, the nerf might be even less than that.

[@5001Fergies]

12:15 nah dont apologize until these vegeta fans stop latching onto every mickey ass win he has on goku that even he doesnt consider wins to push the most disingenuous agenda in dragonball 😭 he cant win a real fight so he needs to win these “half speed, no ki, base form only” ass spars

[@JDanimationsace]

A six vid???

[@mcsissorface7756]

Cap and we all know it, you can replace Vegeta with a generic saiyan and it could be the same

[@ExclusiveExcellence]

Yo OG watch Arcane

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

what is unc wearing 💀

[@devaughnfranklin6683]

Armor

[@ithoughtso.7016]

character flaws like vegetas are mid.

[@d-space1935]

Zamasu is a better villiain than Frieza! Prove me wrong.

[@CallMeKrozz]

Yeah im disliking just for calling Vegeta Reaves 💀💀💀

[@kingDIMORE]

nahare

[@eranshachar9954]

First of all I'm a Bejita The-IV hater, a huge hater I can't stand this prick over 90 % of the time. I do however admire his fighting and thinking abilities for the most part (Allowing Cell to achieve perfection was the dumbest thing he ever did). In terms of which saga he is the most important to moving the story, I would say Namek because even if Kuririn killed him on Earth and they go to Namek, without Bejita there to FU the Freeza force Gohan and Kuririn are sitting Ducks until Goku arrives with his new power.

[@newtype79]

Falconer Score>The DBZ show itself.

[@GregSmithIII]

Y'all need to chill bro

[@Noneofwhat]

You mean Mark Mentzer?

[@KellenAmartey]

4th😅

[@probably-marcus3946]

TSOO IM FIRST

[@probably-marcus3946]

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[@SHOnobikage]

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