TSOL Early Years Live

1983

[@IIllytch321nonadinfinitum]

0:00 - Beneath the Shadows 3:11 - Love Story 5:20 - Forever Old 7:55 - Man and Machine 9:34 - Darker My Love 13:03 - Waiting For You 15:55 - Weathered Statues 19:58 - Superficial Love 21:13 - Wash Away 25:03 - Send My Thoughts 27:25 - Abolish Government/Silent Majority 29:26 - Other Side 32:09 - She'll Be Saying 35:03 - Code Blue 37:01 - Interview with Jack Peace.

[@badmouserising9859]

Nice

[@marvinweinrichjr7011]

Thank you

[@dougsmith7083]

Thanks Seeing them on Sunday (fingers crossed). They haven't been able to get across the border (Vancouver) since shortly after THIS video was recorded...this will be the first time that they have even attempted to come across. Pretty stoked to see them playing lots from "Beneath the Shadows" and "Dance with Me" too. Especially the DWM songs which have not been played a whole lot since the album was released. Ron is one of the very best guitar players who ever came out of the North American "punk" scene...still in great form too Cheers

[@sonnypadilla9681]

@@dougsmith7083 how come they haven’t been able to play in Canada since also they always usually play most the songs off dance with me in America at least in SoCal and Seattle my sister said when she lived there told me they played most of the album

[@dougsmith7083]

@@sonnypadilla9681 They can't get across the border because of prior history, no pardons. They tried just before Covid hit and were turned away hours before the show. No go in 82 and 84 too

[@childofzoso2790]

This was at Orange Coast College In Costa Mesa CA. I was 15 and I was there. Wish I could go back in time to see all the great shows, especially TSOL at the Cuckoos Nest in Costa Mesa.

[@drunvert]

OCC had lots of concerts on the quad

[@reidellis1988]

Saw the DKs, Adolescents, Circle Jerks, ect. All in SLC. Good enough.

[@mikelopez2024]

I could tell it was there 😎

[@middleclassic]

So weird for me to hear TSOL's "Other songs". At least to me that's how I think of anything released after their first album Dance with Me. Born and raised 10 min East of downtown LA in Pico Rivera I graduated HS in '81 and a few years before had discovered Punk Rock with the help of the only Punk in HS a girl I keep in touch with to this day. But by '81 Punk Rock had evolved into what everybody today thinks of as Punk Rock today and that is Hardcore. But in '81 TSOL's first EP on Posh Boy was released I couldn't get enough of it! Then later that year Dance with Me was released and boy, did that ever confuse the hell out of me and anybody I knew who knew who TSOL were. I remember standing outside The Hollywood Paladium after a show talking to some punk I met that night and we both couldn't figure out this "New" TSOL band. The EP was all political and Dance with Me sounded so different. And on the EP the singer was Jack Greggors and now was Alex Morgan. We had no idea Jack Grisham used lots of pseudonyms. But the thing about the whole Hardcore scene for me was I loved a LOT of the music coming out of that scene, but the live shows could be crazy dangerous! I went to a show in Venice one night by myself that was in some random warehouse and witnessed skinheads all night long terrorizing any punk who was unlucky enough to "look at them". That was probably around the summer of '82 and I think was the last hardcore show I went to. I wanted to enjoy a show, not fear for my life! So I checked out of the Hardcore scene and that is why anything after Dance with Me are those "Other songs" by TSOL. And honestly to me, anything after Dance with Me, sucks! Which is weird because I couldn't get enough of Death Rock which is the direction TSOL went into. But by then you had like 10 different scenes all going on at the same time. Death Rock, Hardcore, Ska, Rockabilly, Hip Hop (was brand new), New Romantic, Paisley Underground, New Wave, Electronica, etc. etc. Goth wasn't a term for another 5 or 6 years. Anyway, I just never listened to anything after Dance with Me. But give me a band from any of those other scenes I mentioned and I liked something from all of them. So Not going to Hardcore shows was no big deal to me. I sure am glad I was there to see it all. Because that ALL I did. I worked at Ralphs Supermarket and went to shows. What a life :-)

[@known_unknown284]

I really like this style of TSOL but I've always been curious how it went over in real time because the hardcore punk scene was not particularly broad minded when it came to non-hardcore music. It always seemed to me that if any other band was playing this style or dressing the way Jack Grisham did, they would probably be given a very hard time and possibly even attacked. However, from what I understand Grisham was a very physically intimidating figure and had a well earned reputation for extreme violence. Did the punks just tolerate this "weird" music because they were (rightfully) scared of him and his crew?

[@skinhead5]

So what?

[@skinhead5]

​@known_unknown284 Yes they were. Jack and the Vicious Circle crew were known for extreme violence.

[@known_unknown284]

"So what?" It's in the comment. I am making an observation. Do you have anything to add to it of any substance? @@skinhead5

[@skinhead5]

@known_unknown284 Fool you checked in, saw that it wasn't for you, then checked out. Are we who were committed supposed to feel sorry for you ? Get out of here with that. Go virtue signal to the hipsters.

[@themusicgraveyard600]

I was present. This is my friend Louis's footage I believe. It was a great outdoor gig, and Todd ruled! R.I.P.

[@chrisgrondin9487]

It's amazing how great the mix is for a punk rock show. What a great band.. Like every instrument is staying busy and creative, Jack's voice is totally commanding and the songwriting has a lot of depth. One of the best!

[@guitarsarelikestupid7200]

I bet Grisham got more girls than he knew what to do with: Tall, young, slim, straight hair, strong jawline. I only wish I was half as good-looking.

[@Go7Suarez]

He was unusually sexy for a punk rocker

[@MarkMaier]

Fantastic footage of groundbreaking musicians from punk's golden age.

[@richparsons330]

The crowd had no idea what they were seeing. Funny.

[@kangaroorecords2376]

uhh noo ?? they sit and do nothing just like the band. in 79 the damend became this shit already , funny ? ohh yeahh, iwent home straight away with the damned

[@fiercemakeup31]

I was 8 in 83. Now im 44..just got home from seeing them live at their 40th anniversary show. Love them.

[@eroc4686]

I was only 1 years old. However, I did get to see these guys live in 2001 when I was 19 and they put on an amazing show. Amazing they still perform.

[@Pray-4-Me]

My brother was born 1975 and i was born in 1983..My brother was your age when i was born..Im the baby huey...im in Las Vegas..

[@drunvert]

I was in college. 🤳

[@kristiwoods2186]

umm, why is no one moving in the crowd?? this was 1 of my favorite bands in high school... LOVE THEM!!!!

[@199gonzo]

Still more class than all the music in 2020 !!

[@kylethoeni7963]

And nothing's changed in 2021😂

[@chrisyonts9652]

That's almost an insult.

[@kgb722]

37:12 Jack is goth Aladdin

[@masterchefstan]

Pretty sure that this was Orange Coast College, right down the street from my house.

[@masterchefstan]

No, good eye bro!

[@JulietsMan]

Yeah this is right outside the student commons. the bursars office is off to the right i think. i miss hb

[@JulietsMan]

yeah that looks like the space between the SU and the Bursars office

[@kkula7843]

It was!!!!!!!!!! As the tear drops roll down my faacee!!!!!!!!!! Lol. Ya buddy.

[@falsch]

I miss the Orange Curtain..

[@Soundeagle3456]

always respected bands like TSOL for acting as themselves throughout the way even when they had to play in front of brainwashed high school crowds. Their sound blended every rock sub genre of the 80s and had bluezy sprinkle to it very special music.

[@nunyabizness6967]

The following year Jack was tearing off a roof with Ron Caballero across the street from my house. I yelled at them and told them to shut the fuck up I'm trying to sleep and went back to bed.

[@firstboyonthemoon8876]

Last time i saw ron caballero was a few years ago. He weighed about 350 pounds and was helping trim my palm trees. He could barely walk, i was surprised he managed to climb up the ladder LOL!

[@c.j.K9grooming7344]

That TSOL Shirt the guitarist is wearing is dope

[@kylethoeni7963]

Don't forget the glasses 😝

[@abrahamgarcia5975]

They usually don't play these songs live. I love the beneath the shadows and it's pretty cool to see a video of them playing my favorite songs live. Thanks for the upload.

[@pumasgoya]

yeah, I was glad to see She'll be Saying here.

[@davidanchovies3340]

I only wish Walk Alone was on the set

[@svobodasimon1185]

this music under the blue sky and with this sleeping crowd is real shit

[@mlwsf]

Surprised that they have such a large crowd out doors, even at a college. Wonder who else played that day?

[@homonovus6]

Weathered statues unforgettable masterpiece

[@beachkidboy]

Jack is all man, addressing someone's else's question, but open to all. He's a friend of mine. I love the Beneath The Shadows material. So funny seeing him 'back in the day' compared to now. Still the same guy though.

[@farrington7971]

Jack had Balls of Steel.

[@garthrallysport]

Superficial Love into Wash Away! My top 2 TSOL tracks. Look at these pricks motionless. I'd be loosing my shit if I was there.

[@michaelladenheim6224]

Loved TSOL!!! Was at this show, the El Toro show Jack mentioned in the interview after the show. My high school was right across the street lol! The Orange County and LA punk scene was awesome to be a part of. X, Circle Jerks, Black Flag, TSOL, DOA, etc. this brought back some great memories.

[@elmoblatch9787]

The Cuckoo's Nest had a different vibe I guess you could say.

[@jakeburns6566]

Very True...I went to a few shows there (Cuckoo's Nest). Before and after the name change.

[@jessemoody7313]

College kid's today "oh there's too many white people, this is racist music"

[@DubIsTheFoundation]

Uhhh....projecting much, hoss??? 🙄🙄🙄

[@michaeleli3891]

Look how docile the crowd is 👍

[@helpsbothways]

Thanks for posting! This is classic. Really love the footage of Jack talking at the end. His accounts of the SIR riot on sunset was great. I was at that show. It was nuts.

[@mournblade1066]

I've tried googling "SIR riot," and came up with nothing. What were the details?

[@falsch]

@@mournblade1066 www.upi.com/Archives/1983/01/09/A-punk-rock-party-at-a-recording-studio-overflowed-into/2852410936400/

[@mournblade1066]

@@falsch Thank you!

[@andeegreen]

T.S.O.L. are such a great band! Every member has a purpose and a part, yet none are fighting over any other like in so many punk or other rock genre. Sure, not everyone's taste, but damn good at what they do!

[@carlsomm]

83 In Costa Mesa. I was there.

[@Buckarhu3166]

Crowd came to see dance with me and got beneath the shadows. I hated the album the first time I heard it. now it is one of my favorite.

[@christopherskoczen4589]

Same

[@kkula7843]

It grows on a free thinking individual. Don't let the government and the media take you away from the Truth. TRUMP is punk Rock and many people don't see this. AMERICA all fucking day people and long live TSOL, classic show at OCC.

[@Jubr123]

Kay KU I’m not an American, and still you’re totally right!! The real freedom don’t have nothing to do with government’s or medias ”truth” what they’r tellin to keep the crowds on a leash. And to second to control the masses and ”public opinion” I am saying this cause it’s the cold truth. It’s the same here up in northern europe. People hate Trump for many reasons in the states and in the europe, but the things where the hate comes from, has nothing to do with real life. They’r blaming the man as a racist, even though he had shown the most anti-racist behaviour from the 21st century Presidents.. He’s wife and her family is ”immigrants” but not illegal ones! The unemployment has dropped, that rises the welfare especially in the black communities. He’s politics has nothing to do with peoples races. It’s all about the economics and to rise the welfare on every american family, ignoring the race of anyone. The twisted morality of the people who are the loudest to criticize on media and social media, has the least to offer. Nobody likes illegal intruders when they come to they’r house. Nobody really likes them when they come in to your country. Cause if we do the same, and try to intrude illegally to other countries, we get arrested, maybe jailed etc.. It’s a CRIME! That’s why it’s called illegal! So why some of the people in this world should have privileges to do so? I really don’t understand that logic, especially when things are going just in one way..

[@brandonmarlo5282]

Beneath the shadows was written before dance with me even though it was released after

[@RobertEmory-q2d]

@@brandonmarlo5282It is so funny all the people that don’t have a clue about the way it was. They had and played most of this stuff from the start. The band never changed if you saw them live they always played all of these songs. They gave posh Boy all the songs they thought were the worst songs thinking that he would rip them off, which he did. The EP and Dance with me came out less than a year apart. This is one of the Beneath the Shadows tour shows. They did part of the tour in 82 in the northwest then came home for Christmas and New Years and then did the rest of the country. They came home from this tour and broke up!

[@allibakertattoo]

If this was now I’d date jack. Guys now don’t have that.!

[@LUR1FAX]

Jack was really hot back then :3

[@schreidernatur1614]

Thanks for sharing this!..

[@christopherskoczen4589]

Amazing band, thanks for posting this footage. Great quality. This crowd, though, at least at the beginning - wake up! And what's the woman dressed like Mary Poppins doing there?

[@willquigg8265]

Has everybody else noticed that there has not been a bigger impact in music than punk rock, but when rap music and Hip-Hop came in there has been no new music to make such an impression on young kids. Punk rock changed the world! We need America changed again!

[@jeffkus6497]

I didn't dig the dresses which is why jack wore them.

[@zim1966]

not a dress he's dressed like an arabian waiter

[@3between7]

No, Jack did wear dresses on stage once in a while .

[@maddog5598]

So cool seeing friends in some of these old videos!! R.I.P. Todd

[@mantid138]

they had no idea what was hitting them

[@TheBFN]

👿🔱😈... Where did they find the singer ?... Reminds me of a more gay version of early ian astbury... Music even sounds a bit like southern death cult to me... I came here after tsol were mentioned in video about samhain... Wich is blasphemy after watching this

[@mr.t6142]

I've had the pleasure of hanging out with Jack after sets and at the beach, TSOL is a classic group in any form as long as Jack is in it. This is an awesome look back in time, thanks for the post!!!😊

[@TranzparentMethods]

Beneath the Shadows is my favorite album ever made! Jack's lyrics, the music is dreamy, yet still Punk. Todd's drums were awesome, Mike's bass lines were different, Ron's guitar riffs were screaming and Greg's keyboards kind of held it all together. That album has been my favorite since 2001. I got it from Nitro records. If you bought "Disappear", they also gave you "Beneath The Shadows" and the self-titled compilation. As well as a BUNCH of stickers and a two sided poster, one side was the cover for Beneath the Shadows and the other side was "Disappear". The Beneath the Shows side said "Re-Appear". Mainly because Beneath the Shadows wasn't really available, outside of vinyl collectors. It was the first time "Beneath The Shadows" was released on CD.

[@chrisfrancz2014]

Geniuses! BTS is a brilliant album that transcends genres.

[@brannder982]

You can tell they really looked up to early 80s the Damned. But man he looks just like Corey Feldman LOL

[@svperionsatanam7526]

i am discovering the music of TSOL anyone mind giving me a tracklist?

[@ElburroE]

This is INCREDIBLE! Where did you find this? THANK YOU!

[@frenchabortion]

This is just DVD rip of "TSOL: The Early Years" from MVDvisual

[@themusicgraveyard600]

This is my friend Louis Elovitz aka Video Louis's footage. Would be great if this channel gave him credit for this footage. Sick of seeing people ripping footage that's not there's and getting views and motorizations and not even acknowledging the videographer/photographer.

[@darbyboo3763]

@@themusicgraveyard600 I am grateful to Louis Elovitz aka Video Louis for this footage. I will probably watch this daily for the rest of my life. Thank you Louis 🫀💋

[@RobertEmory-q2d]

@@themusicgraveyard600 No this video is from the Flipside fanzine video collection!

[@jaysworld3231]

I wish I was around during those times. Things were different and looked cool.

One of those lazy pit days lol Vocals could have used a bit of reverb

[@zenyt29]

Super video !!!!!!!!

[@jodiefostersarmy]

I'm pretty sure this was on a Flipside video, but the quality is much better here. Thanks for posting.

[@michaelmarifern6040]

I knew I seen this before..Flipside !!!!

[@michaelmarifern9541]

Omar Kahdafi

[@joseopazo1229]

Dark soft punk 80's

[@PK-gi2qh]

Hey kids this was way back when So. Cal was actually a cool place to live.

[@joel8750]

Jack looks like MacLachlan in Blue Velvet.

[@arthurdalton517]

Hy what about the New York Doll's

[@Flageloeterno]

Amazing

[@stiiimes]

why is jack dressed like hip hop Aladdin? 😢

[@Billy-nb4th]

They played the same set at Fullerton collage .

[@SJBassin]

Man we lived through the greatest times didn't we?!? I was here for this show

[@sneakypower576]

just....wow! I've been waiting a long time for something like this to emerge! Thank you!

[@RobertEmory-q2d]

Go find the one on here from Mad. Gardens in Arizona It was the 1st show of the second half of the tour. It is on KZbin and way better than this one.

[@chrisyonts9652]

HAPPY JACK - why was he so happy?

[@PostPunkProductions]

THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING THIS!!!!

[@rdeezer9845]

[@nocturnalferalguitarist]

I can hardly believe that I'm witnessing this , epic gold

[@thepeaceguy1]

Is this at CSULB

[@JasonJordan-u6p]

Shred heads

[@JasonJordan-u6p]

I need a hoody

[@RawPower867]

The kids are just sitting on the floor during the BTS songs.

[@OtherMike5000]

I think that's Jim from the crowd over by the drummer

[@SBpunx-el2bw]

Great footage T.S.O.L is ageless

[@markrosenquist8259]

That’s some getup Jack has on.

[@christophervaldez8746]

Hit & Run, all the way.......

[@roymartin500]

Right before signing to Alternative Tentacles and releasing Beneath The Shadows for them. Beneath The Shadows song's are all over the beginning of the show. Most of the crowd hasn't heard BTS yet so it isn't till later does the crowd pick up plus factor in that it's at a CC miday on a warm SoCal afternoon makes for a pretty sedate crowd anyway you look at it regardless of who's playing. By 83 TSOL were a well oiled machine so watching and hearing them is good enough. Thanks for the upload.

[@kkula7843]

Well said Roy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@baadermeinhof9787]

If this was filmed in '83 then Beneath the Shadows had already been out for almost a year. Just a boring crowd.

[@RobertEmory-q2d]

This was after Beneath the Shadows was released. This is the middle of the Beneath the Shadows tour!

[@roymartin500]

@@RobertEmory-q2d I stand corrected. Thanks.

[@roymartin500]

@@baadermeinhof9787 You're right. I saw them after Dissapear came out in the early 2000s(again, im bad with dates haha). That was a fun crowd, we were at Cane's Bar & Grill(great small venue on the beach) in San Diego.

[@richmoreno9938]

Clicked on the video expecting to watch only a few minutes and watched it all the way through. How amazing it must’ve been to be there. Just incredible. I love that they mostly played their songs from “Beneath The Shadows”. Ron Emory is phenomenal in my opinion. So much diversity in his guitar playing. Great to see Todd Barnes (R.I.P.) behind the kit. 🙏

[@blueunicornhere]

wow. one of my punk rock idols and to think at one time my band was better than them. but only briefly. tsol lives as legend and blueuinicorn kneels in awe.

[@prudencefitzenstein4916]

This video has a very ferris bueller feel to it.

[@Billy-nb4th]

These shows were a means to an end for many bands at that time. At times bands couldn't get anyplace to play. So the crows were small and low key. X,tsol adlesents and so many got to play . It was cool

[@cf6479]

These songs are beautiful. Now if y'all were to see these guys last year before gigs ended......would it have been so perfect. Also.....Punk?. There are lots of space noises on the key board. lots of solos and it's drifting away hippy. It's fantastic. Watched the whole thing. I'm gonna watch lt a bunch more. Then go to Long Beach

[@lozarok]

unreal - cheers for posting

[@isthereasonrecords]

Setlist please

[@keithchapman7252]

Is it me or does Jack look like Jafarr from the Lion King? Once saw the Joykiller open for Pennywise in '96 or so in Cinncy OH and gave him a bottle of Chevis' Regal. He seemed very Genuine &thankful.

[@keithchapman7252]

Rest in Peace brother Todd Barnes

[@guilty-of-being-right]

Southern California punk is the best .

[@leoseibert]

don't get used to watch this! 2017 still ....feel a bit of nolstagic feeling even not been there

[@modernmilner9836]

Man, these guys kicked ass! Thanks for posting this.

[@jimbothompson6540]

Not your typicak snacktime rally

[@JasonJordan-u6p]

Keep playing gigs sounds great and good energy

[@korykloth9244]

I never heard of them in the 80s, except for the hit n run album.

[@ckdd8891]

The days of Suburbia.

[@leecarterreppinjesuschrist7686]

What year is this? Its got greg on keyboard? And beneath the shadows songs so not that early? And what is Jack wearin lol? One of my fave bands

[@misterslats]

1983

[@miguelrodriguez4498]

can someone post the fucking set list

[@Daverloko1]

Grisham looks like Aladin

[@dexbam-remastering]

Stunning! Thank you very much!

[@hayden667]

Boring show

[@MikeGiallo]

jack predicted aladdin´s look

[@rodsmead2079]

Jacks Aladdin phase

[@JP-rh8qr]

😍 😍 😍 😍

[@gfunkehauser502]

what was the venue?

[@djkillergarcia]

Way cool

[@niagrapoosy6086]

38:33

[@PritchDringle]

First album's better.

[@doppler4950]

Forever old was bad ass