Have We Been LIED TO?!? - Winglets

[@AaronMullFilms]

Can we all take a moment to appreciate your skills in video? I understand what it takes to make high quality stuff, and man you continue to elevate your level of production and I don't want it to go unnoticed. Cheers

[@TuckerGott]

I appreciate that! 😌

[@AaronMullFilms]

@@TuckerGott Of course. While I have you, do you know any hot air balloon pilots in Washington state? Shooting a movie and needing the shoot a scene in one.

[@TuckerGott]

@@AaronMullFilms I don’t, unfortunately. All of the guys I know are on the east coast.

[@AaronMullFilms]

@@TuckerGott I figured that was the case but wanted to reach out to you first. I see a couple tour groups that do them so I’ll be reaching out to them. Thanks!

[@MarkHuneycutt]

Duck tape for science! Just like NASA's Apollo 13

[@Michael-xz8tp]

space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a hollywood basement

[@MarkHuneycutt]

@@Michael-xz8tp big basement!

[@tonyparamotor9487]

N.A.S.A = NEVER A STRAIGHT ANSWER. NOT JUST APOLLO 13?

[@MarkHuneycutt]

@@tonyparamotor9487 NASA = National Aeronautics and Space Administration

[@ErikOlaf-g9y]

@@MarkHuneycutt Potato potahto

[@paramotorhead]

Having recently moved from a Viper3 to a ViperXC I fully appreciate the winglets.

[@TuckerGott]

Heck yeah. The Viper XC tracks so straight.

[@davidhendrie6935]

Yes, we were flying Advance wings, Sigma and Omega with winglets at Extreme Paragliding, Scotland back in the late 90s. I didn't get the chance to fly one, but the guys who did swore by their stability. I flew the Edel Energy, a level 3/C wing back then. I gave it up mid 2000s as the weather got increasingly windy and opportunities to fly became rarer. Got back into sailing instead!

[@JohnKlopp]

Tucker Gott, the SCIENCE guy! 😆

[@TuckerGott]

TUCK TUCK TUCK TUCK.

[@flyinima]

Paramotoring is cool 😎

[@TheFaab1]

One of the reasons airplanes have started using winglets is the reduction in wingtip vortices. This greatly reduces drag, and they achieve higher efficiency/glide ratio. It would be really cool to see how paraglider winglets influence glide ratio. They are not directly mounted on the tips, so maybe the effect is less.

[@johnsmith34]

Something something ideal lift distribution, the effect would only be negative. Especially since these winglets don't produce lift

[@wings4max]

I can also imagine that the winglets actually sit where the upwards lifting portion of the wing ends, therefore effectively being very similar to airplane winglets. Gliders have a way higher arc in their lift surface and the stabilo part, is for stabilizing by pulling both glider tips apart from each other.

[@YankeeinSC1]

I have always said that paraglider winglets are a misnomer. They are not winglets, but rather drag sponsons...

[@Roonasaur]

Just based on the much slower speed, a glider is never going to have the same amount of vortex generation, so the potential payoff on that count . . . probably not worth the fuss.

[@MKHNitro]

For years Russell Ogden ridiculed Advance for having gimmick winglets in their wings, only to now adopt them on Ozone wings

[@reallepooy]

Would be so humble and professional for him to at least acknowledge the mistake in public! Copying Advance is an implicit way to say that and to also flatter the Advance designers that were decades ahead.

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

I think there was a QA session he did where he acknowledged the photon winglets.

[@AveryFlies]

I haven't taped them down, but I felt the same on the Apco F5 with the center fin- which is basically just a lift 2ez canopy. The fin helps slow oscillations faster and also keeps the glider flatter in turns with the increased vertical surface area being rolled sideways and becoming horizontal.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

ADVANCE paragliders have used them for years and I never noticed the stablising effect on them. The Hadron 3 tracks very straight, is very roll stable and that doesn't have them. The underlying tuning will the reason. I had the Viper 3 had a really really bad oscillation and needed constant input to stop it getting too divergent. Great video with the dual comparison.

[@paramotorhead]

I just sold my Viper3 Giles, the XC is just so much more stable in the roll axis and definitely has more locked in turns. It’s much more agile although I have dropped from the 26m to a 20m. The 26m was a very boaty and much slower. Hope you’re keeping well buddy?

[@TuckerGott]

Of course, there are other factors that determine roll ability or stability. This just proved winglets aid in that stability.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@TuckerGott Yes, I completely agree. Great video as always and I really liked the way you did the side by side comparison.

[@GolfFoxtrot22]

@@paramotorhead I found the Viper 3 just took floaty, perfect for the high altitude stuff but it just wasn't nice ( hard work) on a long xc. It constantly needed attention. I'd say it made the Freeride look stable. Let's try and catch up soon.

[@NickJensen200]

It would be awesome to get a video where you see how manufacturers test and develop these wings! Sort of a factory tour or something.

[@MarkHivosk]

Good work on the side by side clips! Looks like you did almost exactly the same movements, exactly what is needed

[@DarioushAryan]

Awesome… Good storytelling, love the different camera angles, the image processing... everything is perfect! Hope to see more and more. bravoo

[@DavidNCPPG-1962]

Thank you so much for another great video. Really like the winglets test, great information. Definitely going to check out your glider reviews page, sure they are very informative. Take care, be safe.

[@jcwilcox6210]

High value evaluation! Solidified my first wing will definitely have winglets, thank you for your efforts.

[@flyingdanwitha29sedan]

Epic dude!!! Amazing to clearly see the big difference! The winglets are cool for cross country or beginners! Nice break down video

[@adam-newbloom]

Thanks for this test, I demo'd a Viper XC and "thought" it seemed to have less roll and more straightline stability but like you said sometimes you can just feel it because you believe it. Great test!

[@todd.foster77]

Great video! What a practical way to test and see if they really work or not. Love it! I was flying the Mojo when I started training and ended with the Moxie. With that little of experience, I can tell you that the Moxie definitely would not oscillate like the Mojo did. I was having a hard time with that on my final approach to landings with some bumpy air. The Moxie cleared that up. I did notice that turns are harder with the Moxie. There's always give and take.

[@TuckerGott]

That makes sense. There definitely is a give and take. That's why they make no sense on a wing like the Freeride. You want all the roll rate!

[@turkeyphant]

I've been flying the xc for over a year now and it's absolutely rock solid in thermic midday conditions.

[@John_Morton]

Recently you tested how a glider recovered from collapses, do the winglets change this behavior?

[@rondoodledix]

This is excellent! How would you know unless you do what what did, tape them! I used to think they looked dorky, but now I fly a Photon for the last month, and now I definitely swear by the winglets for the way they fly. Spiral in particular is so smooth, exit is so smooth and controlled, no pitch issues. On bar, it doesn't roll oscillate like a Zeno would, totally solid. On the other hand, Photon is higher arc than Zeno, and that definitely creates more roll stability as well. This stability absolutely adds up little by little to a more efficient flight in the long run. They make the glider delightfully manueverable as well. The winglets are excellent, and I'm sure we'll see new designs of them. Darren here. This is Dad's computer.

[@Bluemoon1-h3w]

Awesome review 👍🏻 Thanks Tucker 🪂

[@willyd1711]

Love the buying guide / review web page idea, @TuckerGott! Looking forward to checking that out.

[@TuckerGott]

It just went live! Check it out!

[@iainferguson1684]

Ozone have put winglets on gliders like the Photon to help reduce speed in deep spirals. This does work as gliders like the Photon is difficult to get down when encountering cloud suck. Spirals are normally the way to go. Big ears and speed bar is much less effective. Spirals on the Photon are easily.

[@stealcian74]

My Hadron doesn't oscillate at all and it flies pretty darn straight.

[@unknownuser69_gaming]

Yo man it's been a hot minute since I've seen your videos nice to see you still make videos

[@CaptainPeterRMiller]

It's another very interesting video. A well thought out comparison and I'm sure very valuable to those who fly. Thanks Tucker. 😂

[@markmcgoveran6811]

I've always thought this guy would get you killed if you listen to him too much but I have to say that was a brilliant display I have an epsilon 9 with winglets and I'm learning to fly and I didn't know they had that much persuasive power for damping that roll axis problem. Excellent video thank you so much

[@zutai1]

so, if you could have a line to adjust the winglets, making them larger or shorter, you could flatten them for a roll, then straiten out faster. more control is never a bad thing :P

[@fbrummitt]

Great evidence-based review! Thanks

[@YankeeinSC1]

Cool test idea. Proves that all stability is a result of drag. I Bought my first winglet equipped free flight wing (Mac Para Verve) at the start of this year. Love the glider, but I'm going to skip this duct tape test. I'll just trust the years of product development and the experience of the designers in the employ of my favorite manufacturer.

[@grejen711]

Huh! Next advance... a line set coming down from the winglets so they can be energized or tucked in and not in use while in flight. Climbing and cross country cruise.. pop-em out! Doing some tight maneuvering/aerobatics? Tuck 'em in. Gotta be a way to do that. Next test - for science - would be to get a spicy type glider and tape on some winglets to see if it makes it track straighter.

[@cball8315]

Stowable winglets sound like the natural progression

[@tsuperman]

Hey, have you thought of testing the new DJI Neo by you flying around with you paramotor and testing if the drone follows you.

[@sigvelundesoldal2839]

Advance have winglets on their paraglider wings for performance gains, opposed to Ozone who uses it for stability. Whether Advance actually gain anything from using them is unknown, but they for sure get some brand recognition. My guess is that it doesn't make a big difference when the winglets are small and close to the wingtips like on Advance wings. I have talked to some pilots flying the Ozone photon and they feel that the winglets make the wing slower to turn and definitely increases the drag of the wing. My guess is that when Ozone designs a wing they only put on the winglets if it necessary to either get the wing in a certain classification, or to make it more stable for beginners.

[@istra3265]

Thanks.

[@One_Guy]

would be nice to do a side by side with a glider that doesn't have winglets too to compare the design choices of winglets vs no winglets... my theory is if you take something that was designed with winglets in mind, add a bunch of tape to hold them down it adds unbalanced weight and goes against the design of the wing itself. it would be interesting to see this comparison done again with a same size glider designed with winglets and same sized glider designed without them.

[@Hyperious_in_the_air]

so I've flown the Viper XC after flying my Speedster 3 (non-winglet ozone XC wing) for 2 years, and what I noticed is that there's a "snapover" point in deep turns that I don't really like with winglet wings. It's like you pull and pull for a turn, and it hesitates for a few seconds before actually hooking. The other issue I felt is that when swinging through the gate in a wingover, the winglet wings will want to swing through into a massive straight-on surge, rather than naturally rolling over into the next wingover like it should be doing. Honestly with how I fly I'm not that worried about oscillation since I fly about 3/4 of weight range. I find that the oscillation issue only really happens to people flying at or above the weight range max.

[@TuckerGott]

I was going to ask about your loading. Sometime if you’re too light, you have that effect where the glider hesitates before turning. Maybe that’s at play here?

[@sniping12]

Tucker, have you done any parasailing? i just got to use my parasail for the first time last weekend, my first flying experience and i'm definitely shopping paramotors now

[@butchdavis2703]

What a perfect lunch time. Food and a Tucker Gott video.

[@TuckerGott]

Happy to be a part of your lunch.

[@butchdavis2703]

@@TuckerGott is that Brad Roper’s wing?

[@TuckerGott]

@@butchdavis2703 Nope, it’s a 16m demo I’ve had for a bit.

[@butchdavis2703]

@@TuckerGott ok i heard you mentioned Brad. Funny story I ended up with his viper 6 by accident, and immediately took action to get it to him. Another question what setting do you use for your GoPro when you record?

[@rondoodledix]

The same argument can be won about full fairing pod harnesses, which of course, I swear by. There is a video side by side, full fairing pod vs. half pod, and the full pod is so obviously vastly superior. You really nailed it on the winglet argument, which I already am convinced about. Your video prooves it. Case closed.

[@red_orange_white]

I think Ozone got the winglet idea from the Apco Hybrid. The entire underneath is essentially winglets.

[@SpeedyDad1]

It would be interesting to see if they have an impact on the top speed or duration of flight due to the increased drag of the winglet.

[@WeBeGood06]

Lol, the paraglider is a pendulum plane, in roll it is the wing that rolls around the pilot who is essentially stationary. If the "not a winglet" is controlled like an alerion roll rates can be vastly increased like tip steering. It pulls the wing to roll around the weight, pilot.

[@cabanford]

It doesn't roll around the pilot, rather a point between the pilot and wing.

[@garyshumway9089]

How about winglets on other brands of gliders? Do they have the same/different effect? How do the winglets on other wings compare to Ozone's? I suspect the size, placement, material, and location of the winglet also has an effect? 5-10% is maybe all newies need and/or want. The taping doesn't have any effect on the wing, e.g., sticky residue? Good idea to test what corporate is saying. The side by side video is genius, makes what you're saying very clear. Great vid. Thank you!

[@turkeyphant]

They don't do much on the advance wings.

[@gpocat4518]

Man, after watching your video's, I probably live within 30 miles of you. I see paramotors flying around all the time out where I live. Where would someone learn to fly a PPG in this area?

[@LuMaxQFPV]

Gaffer tape is safer on the glider fabric. Duct tape will leave residue which may affect longevity and fabric chemistry.

[@TuckerGott]

Gaffer tape probably wouldn’t have struck at all. The coating on this fabric barely let the duct tape stick. And no residue. 😌

[@marcusparamotor]

Nice test!

[@DrAElemayo]

What difference do you feel when doing spirals with wingtips vs without?

[@Michael-xz8tp]

so in conclusion, winglets are good for stability, bad for acro?

[@kalef1234]

uh oh Tucker's holding the mic now too

[@Spyder76137]

I still think they should have released the Viper Six without winglets to set it more apart from the VXC. They seem like basically the same wing except for fabric thickness. Guess they wanted the difference to be similar to Sirocco vs Speedster or Spyder vs Roadster.

[@TuckerGott]

I agree. The viper 6 feels like a viper xc pro. I wish it was more slalomy and less xcy.

[@PatrickDuffy-u3s]

I have aTriox 2, and when I flew a Roadster, I was shocked at the difference. The Triox is like cheating. It's SO easy to bring up the wing.

[@Mrtnstnwk]

Tucker, I like the "science", but I don't think the comparison is fair. The wing that is tested was designed for stability with winglets. It is very likely that other design choices, that would make the glider roll stable without winglets, have been made different due to the winglets. In other words, you can't compare to a traditional wing by just removing the winglets. A better comparsison would be to compare the wing with winglets to its predecessor without winglets. And see how it differs.

[@Scalemate]

Bro got jacked

[@snarp98]

Do the winglets reduce fuel consumption and increase range?

[@MartynHoyer]

Any idea when Ozone will release new Roadsters/Spyders? Feels like they’re overdue and I’m kinda waiting around with the money… 🤣 Should I just buy a v3?

[@tomgillotti]

Are you still traveling in the toy hauler?

[@dewolfeFSP]

Sounds like the new normal for beginner wings.

[@TuckerGott]

I think they are super beneficial on the Moxie!

[@dixter1652]

they should have called them stabilizers instead of winglets... then everyone would know they are stabilizers for the wing to track in a straight line....

[@willbransonworsencroft7534]

With wing manufacturers pushing boundaries and exploring the next frontier of tech. did Ozone (and maybe others) put the tips on there to meet the minimum test requirements to be able to make the wing sellable to consumers? meaning without the tips, would they just be sitting on a dead end wing that cant be sold?

[@niconico3907]

Every wing is a compromise between many design characteristics. They probably removed some stability from the wing to increase performance and handling, and added back some stability with the winglets.

[@highflyingbean]

Gotta get a white lab coat for the science part!

[@sgtpickles1319]

Stands to reason that a glider designed to be stable with winglets might oscillate without them.

[@LilBubba-ic1hx]

Bro I just saw this and I like him I always wanted a paruchte and motor I would be really fun to ride I leave in the country so yea I would be fun

[@PacificAirwave144]

30 years ago they were doing this to hang gliders and I thought it was just a marketing gimmick to promote the newest and charge more. Never saw any with/without videos like this back then. And today, no winglets on hang gliders.

[@BasketCase]

Heavier than air travel = science 😂

[@europeantechie]

science! nice

[@anthonyburke5656]

To me, no logic, introduce drag? You can achieve the theoretical advantage by putting “vanes” into the design, that is a “keel” in the form of fabric between suspension lines going front-to-back.

[@YankeeinSC1]

@@anthonyburke5656 Bravo! The byproduct of lift is drag. The result of added drag.... is stability.

[@anthonyburke5656]

@@YankeeinSC1 Hello Yankees, BUT “Winglets” are NOT the way to do it! They introduce to much drag for the benefit they are asserted to give.the loss too the flying efficiency of the wing isn’t compensated for the benefit of stability from the Winglets. There are ways to design in the stability, the simplest is to make a narrower (smaller cord) wing, but longer (more cells for dual skin) and shorter outer suspension lines. BUTthat thinner and longer wing creates other problems. You can create a “squarer” wing, that creates high brake pressures and has less lift and more drag. The”easiest” (most efficient) way is to put one or more keels ( fabric between suspension lines from front to back) that will stabilise the wing markedly, not give to much drag, not affect the lift of the wing BUT make it harder to turn and not as responsive in the turn.I still doubt the efficacy of Winglets and think they are a silly marketinggimic of no real benefit.

[@richschuster1097]

Bigger take away for me: You found a surface that duct tape sticks to other than duct tape. 😂

[@natural9743]

Winglets need to be more rigid and larger in my humble opinion

[@2011mendo]

Only a visual comment about this vlog,, I'd change that 5% to 30%. Maybe as high as 50%. If you rock &roll 4 times without, and only 2 times with,, well, , that's/50%!

[@jaredeischencinematography4877]

Inertia is a property of matter.

[@milesb4231]

a "new thing" for Ozone but not a new thing for paragliders

[@brianclark5583]

From what I understand they're supposed to help reduce wingtip vertices

[@YankeeinSC1]

@@brianclark5583 that's why calling them "winglets" is incorrect. they are "drag sponsons". they don't reduce wing tip vortices, but rather add lateral stability to the wing platform by creating a surface in the vertical plane and preventing also Lisbon

[@YankeeinSC1]

@@brianclark5583 that is why calling them winglets is a incorrect phrase. they are drag sponsons. They add stability by creating a vertical stabilizer type surface and they prevent airflow from equalizing cord wise across the top of the wing surface

[@brianclark5583]

@@YankeeinSC1 , advance paragliders added them their years ago to reduce drag from wingtip vortices. Some years ago we analyzed the effect of winglets carefully by CFD methods, and the result was that they reduce the drag by about 2.8 % depending also on the model. This corresponds to a glide ratio improvement of about 1.5 %.

[@YankeeinSC1]

@@brianclark5583 ...and I too now have added a drag sponson equipped MacPara Verve to my glider pile. I love the glider. Especially the way it willingly accepts rear riser control input, but I argue that it's efficiency over the Elan (their previous EN-C) or my Eden 7, has far more to do with a narrower cord, two line platform, smaller inlet openings and slightly higher aspect ratio. I'd be a believer of your statistics...IF...we could see "with" and "without" wind tunnel test videos. Given how far most manufacturers mount their "winglets" from the actual wing tip however, they're just creating a new dihedral wing tip, while the original wing tip now becomes the stabilizing drag device.

[@mikerusby]

mmm, chicken winglets, tasty :)

[@chrispbacon550]

The designers at Ozone who have spent 1,000’s of hours designing and done hundreds of test flights are making a stank face watching this… I was curious about what you were gonna find.

[@mamatuja]

Well, If the wing with winglets is more than 5% costlier, then it makes no sense to buy it. 😂😂😂 I wonder what is the price difference.?🤔

[@TuckerGott]

I don't think there is a significant difference. In fact, the Moxie is actually cheaper than the Mojo and it has winglets.

[@therz0n]

how do you setup your mic?

[@TuckerGott]

Which mic?

[@therz0n]

@@TuckerGott while your flying,is that gopro mic?

[@TuckerGott]

No, it's a Sena mic. I wired it directly to the Gopro adapter then into the Gopro.

[@therz0n]

@@TuckerGott thank you

[@therz0n]

@@TuckerGott you attache the mic in the headset? what headset is that?

[@Kent-pb2jl]

I was all set on getting an Ozone Viper XC (my 5th wing) but the price was hard to swallow when I was able to get a Gin about a grand cheaper all said and done.

[@tonyparamotor9487]

NEXT TEST .OZONE FREERIDE 2 TO THIS GLIDER THEN SHOW US THE DIFFERENCE.

[@TuckerGott]

BUT THERE IS NO FREERIDE 3.

[@tonyparamotor9487]

COMPARE THE FREERIDE 2. TO THE XC WINGLETS.

[@SeanAllocca]

Tucker is why I started flying in 2017. What is holding you back from enjoying the greatest sport out there?

[@ZONEPRESSLLC]

Falling to the ground. I'll stick to tennis.

[@chrispewkreme]

Money 😂

[@josefinajeremias4056]

Im a minorrr

[@Ricphil]

:)

[@doradosurfcharters]

You obviously have never flown in a plane and had a look out the window before 🤦

[@paramotorhead]

@@doradosurfcharters although they have the same name, I suspect the winglets perform a completely different task. Jetliner winglets are specifically to lessen the wingtip vortices and thus increase fuel efficiency. The Ozone ones seem to be more like stabilisers.

[@rylanww]

skibbity

[@darkxxhimxxlight]

*Scientific test to try* Try not holding the *CLIP ON MIC* with your hand. Your shirt is 3 inches away. Just *CLIP ON THE CLIP ON MIC* and maybe you won't look like a pretentious tik toker. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TuckerGott]

Honestly I don’t care if judgmental people think I look like a TikToker.

[@darkxxhimxxlight]

@@TuckerGott judgemental? It's literally a *clip on* mic for a reason. It's almost as if, in their major R&D investments, the manufacturer had the forethought to put a clip on it so it could be hands-free when clipped on, as intended. But i guess *I'm* the a$$hole for pointing it out the clip on mic is a clip on mic. Silly me. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@TuckerGott]

@@darkxxhimxxlight Heres something maybe you didn’t think about. When clipping the mic on your shirt, you are talking ABOVE the mic. The audio doesn’t sound as clean compared to when you talk INTO the mic while holding it in front of your mouth. I did not need both hands for this shot, so I chose to hold the mic in order to get better audio. In an instance that I need both hands, I will be clipping it to my shirt. Thank you for your help though.

[@MrVigorra]

Hi

[@No_Worries83]

“In conclusion, my title was pure click bait and of course the winglets that were specifically designed to stabilize the flight, indeed stabilize the flight.” 🤦‍♂️

[@lukavujosevic8774]

First

[@joshualeffler6739]

I was all go on this sport about ten years ago. Then I saw experienced people dying from stupid mistakes. I enjoy watching but I'm not paying thousands to kill myself.

[@niconico3907]

You don't have to make the same mistakes they did.

[@catherinesarah5831]

🦘🇦🇺 Awesome. Thanks for setting the record straight. I feel more confident about taking up the sport. 🪂🙏