Tuned 2020 Civic Si vs. Ford Focus ST

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[@mathewm6173]

You guys need to race when you swap cars to get a better idea of which car is faster. Too many variables with the driver in a manual car so swapping drivers really gives us a good comparison.

[@brandonwright6578]

Mathew M run what you brung period

[@nicelikerice12311]

Grant a pretty cool dude. Love your vids man, this has to be the friendliest car enthusiast channel on KZbin

[@Camhill182]

Thanks, im glad you enjoy them

[@thomasoleson2651]

I enjoyed this video! I drive an 18 ST

[@subvet3668]

It really is too bad Ford doesn't sell the Focus ST anymore here in the States. Nice to see a slight tune can keep the Si up with it.

[@Tool0GT92]

I like the ST but I'm scared to buy a used one and they don't have the tech I want like the Si.

[@ramsey6839]

@Throwing rocks It's funny because I wasn't gonna get one but once I found out they would not be selling them in the states I went to the dealership that same week. Im glad I did because they had 4 ST's deals going i guess more people had the same idea lol. But the SI are really nice too especially the type R.

[@mitchellhall951]

Throwing rocks I got an 17’ st3 with only 13k on it

[@ososkic8673]

Is the Ford automatic gear or manual here in the video?

[@ramsey6839]

@@ososkic8673 Its a manual Focus ST only comes in manual the way it should be.

[@Jan3Sobieski5]

Man, I appreciate your honesty. I've seen a bunch of other youtubers crap on the focus st when in fact it's a nice car. Especially for what you get in the same price range as a civic si

[@jenplante78]

Good job, Cam! I really enjoyed the positive tone to this video.

[@motorminds4803]

Also loved how yall changed cars gave it and even playing field. very impressed overall you seem chill.

[@xelawash]

Reconnecting with an old buddy and putting him in your video...that’s classy👍👊

[@ZFA1738]

Used to own a 19 Si coupe. Always liked the Focus ST. It’s quick, practical, tunable, decent looking, and cheap. Almost bought a 17 with 9000 miles for 18k but I ended up getting a 2020 WRX. Nice video man.

[@19Herofade92]

So all in all you chose the heaviest and slowest out of the three? haha. I love them all!

[@ZFA1738]

ReallyCoolRC Heaviest, yes, slowest, no. In stock form, out of the three, the WRX is the fastest in both 0-60 and the 1/4 mile.

[@RSKev]

I have a 18 ST and I love the 10th gen si’s. The lower speed rolls is the advantage for the ST due to the torque, but that’s why you were winning the higher rolls!! Nice vid

[@blurryrecords]

This is awesome. I got a 2013 st back in November and my brother just picked up a 2018 si! What a coincidence!

[@alexivan8615]

Best vid yet! Keep it up 👍

[@dham99]

Awesome video. Whoever owned that TS ST before took great care of it! I have a FBO 2016 FoST with a 93/E30 tune... if you think a stock 2013 is fast, drive one thats properly tuned and upgraded! Not a rocket but more than enough to have fun! You can eliminate some of that 'loose' feeling in the shifter by upgrading the shift cable bushings for like $30...and shortening the shift (plate/arm/etc) it makes a big difference too! y'all are very humble, I wish more people were like that! Cant wait to see what y'all do to you cars. Get some races in as you both upgrade... cheers from South Texas!

[@arenamation9459]

Not a civic owner but man your channel is underrated bro. Keep it up. Saab 9-3 2.8t owner right here 🙌

[@Camhill182]

Thanks man! That means a lot. Btw, i love those Saabs. Very cool cars

[@TD-ml7ms]

Was going with the new SI but put a deposit on the new type r instead. Keep the videos coming. This is really good stuff.

[@eddiediaz3480]

Smart move. Well worth it.

[@tdidgin]

racing like gentleman. love it dude!

[@tbe_xavier]

You should get a front/down pipe. Good performance! with the exhaust and the tune you have

[@jasonwills6694]

Loved the foxbody shot at the end. Great video!

[@Camhill182]

Thanks man!

[@2tonedangert891]

Please race a 2020 Elantra GT N Line...I love to race you but with this Coronavirus it would be impossible for us to cross the boarder. Enjoy the channel, great content Cameron

[@sdalexander8505]

Everybody chirps the tires on that 1st to 2nd shift when they start driving the Si. It’s a tall shift and that Rev hang is unreal. It pulls hard above 4k RPM at 50+ mph or highway speeds. It was keeping up with the ST on the 50 roll which is astounding for what it is.

[@michaelleczel7933]

SDAlexander that’s why you try to eliminate some By upgrading tires and going with a 245/40r18 over the stock 235/40r18 helps a lot minimizing that chirp and locks the car to the pavement

[@traxxasrcfun]

Why is that astounding? They are both turbo 4 bangers? It’s as even as it gets lol (btw I love both)

[@w0lf9009]

​@@traxxasrcfunjust because they are 4 bangers doesn't mean they are the same. St has a 2.0 pushing 252hp stock while the civic si is 1.5 and only has 202 hp

[@traxxasrcfun]

@@w0lf9009 and .5 liters can be made up by like 2 psi. When vehicles are boosted there are so many more variables so displacement becomes less important. If they were both NA it’d be astounding

[@motorminds4803]

Subbed can't wait to see you get a project car! get something with major potential like that cheap type s or miata

[@Undertheblanketnow]

This was awesome 👍

[@cre8tivegarage157]

Y’all need to race fam , great video we loved it

[@thebrosytjd8718]

Awesome video bro

[@SemiproMotorsports]

I will say your editing has really improved since the start of the SI series keep it up man 👍

[@Camhill182]

Thanks man

[@nighthawk0077]

2.2 vs. 1.5? Do these cars have torque steer?

[@brettcarrillo7249]

Good runs. I would love to see how my RSX does against your civic. Im usually a close race with the Focus ST's.

[@jong4939]

good vid. I really enjoy my '17 ST.

[@Camhill182]

thanks Jon

[@saint6064]

Loved the vibes in this video, you two are such laid back guys it’s dope lol. Here because I’m looking into buying an ST for my first stick shift. You think it’s a good beginners?

[@Lan60570]

You’ll love it

[@franpancho1000]

From a 30 roll the ST really shines especially if you start in second gear.

[@h-disconnected6612]

That first gear is shooooort

[@Jonny05modesto]

I have a 2013 st there is so many mods its a fun car to build!!

[@nupash6135]

Well done dude, and again I guess Si should have 2.0 Engines)...hope Honda is gonna give next gens with 2.0 as option.

[@asifalimirza]

Probably not going to happen because a 2.0 would not be in line with keeping this car economical and efficient. Also the price of the car would go up, putting it in a price range out of reach for some. Remember, the ST was in the $30k range new

[@arturomendoza3957]

Yeah 2.0 vtec....👍👍👍👨

[@denverpurgepaintball7147]

ive been debating on a 17 civic si or a focus st and i think this video just made up my mind for sure...st it is and thats coming from a die hard honda fan i am just not feeling the 1.5t it cost way to much to mod to perform close to the st...love the video!!!

[@sergnextdoor5213]

nice runs, that focus is slightly faster. maybe intercooler and downpipe can get you a dub.

[@matthernandez210]

Sweet video man!! Also you live close to me. I’m out here in Santa Rosa about. About 2 hours

[@bigdadjorel7151]

K&N drop in replacement air filter adds 5hp and 5ft/lbs torque dyno proven! Little known secret. Next upgrades AFE intercooler and pipes! Great video keep um coming thanks Cam!

[@Camhill182]

thanks big dad

[@typeamanagement5433]

Good vid bro...!!!

[@tashawegmueller1866]

I can't wait to add in more fuel with my little ST and see what happens.. I'm currently maxxed out

[@cardiddy96]

New video, let's go!

[@samt8017]

You fell in love with a car that is 6 years older then your 2020 SI. Stock SI is 205hp and 197tq.stock ST is 252hp and 270tq. The SI is really light compared to the ST, but you would have to spend some serious coin just to match the ST power but the handling is where the ST really shines.

[@pincheloko1086]

Sam t hahaha not really!! Fbo and delete boost lag the St wouldn’t even have a chance with the ST...

[@xelawash]

Cool video!!!

[@BaaSicStuff]

Respect bro, Im here cause last night I spanked an SiCivic, I also think he hit top speed cause the car just stopped suddenly, I hit 145 and was like WOW! could have easily kept going. the ST is FAST, Ive had quite a few sport cars really like it.

[@zaytoony]

cant wait for the race against the 8th gen Si

[@coryleeboxing3047]

Dope video

[@jorgedejesus1146]

I think if the knock sensor go up you need tune your car. You live in Florida?

[@landonhall55]

Cobalt vs focus I never raced one while I was stock I wanna see it

[@MichaelDouglas-24]

Good races!

[@keeganm2500]

Bro, my 2020 si has to be faster than that. What psi are you running because my tune is running 24psi

[@10thFTW]

I had both. The ST is just more powerful hands down. Way more tq plus over 300lbs disadvantage. If you get an ST get the recaros. It's well equipped. You can still find some brand new at dealerships. The Si was great and we'll refined. But even with Hondata, it didn't feel close to the turbo on the ST. The ST gives you the old fashion turbo thrust I was looking for that I didn't get in the Si.

[@domojim]

Your full blown Stage 1 was hitting ~25 PSI right? Or were you still getting low boost?

[@Camhill182]

yes, it hits about 25 psi. 24 and some change

[@mikel7732]

It would be awesome if you did the races on the track, drag racing is fun, but I feel the Si is designed more for track racing.

[@goosemack3587]

the St is made more for the track too, not drags at all. it has brake vectoring, It would be interesting to see them on a track for sure!

[@JonHop1]

wait what the heck is the redline on that 19th gen? You were shifting at like 6200?

[@spardadmon5236]

Lmao!! Love this guy's reaction when he gets into the Focus.

[@Camhill182]

😎

[@MrMakeitnasty]

Just scene a few of your videos want a 10th gen so bad now hopefully I can get me one soon

[@imnickcampos]

Why didn't you race him on the map 3 tune, in sport mode?

[@itsvictorrivera]

You should try a full bolt on and tune fiesta st :)

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

If you are thinking about STs as a project check out a speed3. 1st gens are super sleepers and can be had for a decent price.

[@Camhill182]

I think they’re the fugliest things ive ever seen

[@andresalvarado5676]

Cameron Hill speed 3s are real good looking when you take out the smile grill and put a big front mount in it few bolt ones and you’ll be pulling 350 wheel

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Cameron Hill feel the same way about the st lol

[@michaelgonzalez1210]

My buddy went to basic training with you. Stumbled across your video, and hes like damn that dude looks really familiar. Where you located I wanna race.

[@Camhill182]

thats pretty cool, man. yea, mario told me on Facebook! DM me on instagram @camhill182

[@t.shaneholock693]

Cool, but you need to do this again if you can and let the ST cool down, the heat soak from the stock intercooler is crazy and costs almost 20hp

[@sleepyfocus9180]

Hurts my feelings when people don't atleast go fbo with the ST 😭😭

[@markwgundert4251]

Don't give up on the CivicX yet, you haven't even reached the power limit yet on that bottom end. Get a performance clutch, then try an aftermarket turbo..

[@jeremycote6473]

I love Focus St as well would be sick to see this as your project car. Love watching your videos keep it up !

[@reyvr6]

Those engine the turbo are max out from factory and those eco boost once you tune the engine are time bomb.

[@Blackguysensai]

At the end of the day, both are fun daily drivers with over 25mpg. I'm averaging 26.5mpg city/highway combined in my ST

[@Metalwhore89]

I love my ST. Handles great for stock, is cheap to make decently quick, and always surprises people. It’s also way sexier than a civic

[@TheeDevilWearsPrada]

Interesting how opinions work. I think the design of the ST is super ugly.

[@johnnygkc]

@@TheeDevilWearsPrada I agree, I really liked it on paper and it was between the ST, the SI and the WRX. I really didn't like it up close it looks like a mom car

[@VictorRodriguez-yl5jp]

ended up in Northern California? What’s your profession? if you don’t mind me asking. Loving the content as usual bro!

[@Camhill182]

thanks man. I'm active duty Air Force

[@josez7433]

Yo!! You’re close to me man! I live in San Francisco and I have the same car lmao

[@dongulio5539]

What is the fastest stock si you’ve driven? I’m thinking about gettin an si for a first car, so I’d like an opinion :D thanks bro, your vids are awesome

[@Camhill182]

Hey thanks man. The 10th is the fastest for sure. Stock for stock, this will beat all other si generations

[@dongulio5539]

Cameron Hill thanks man, means a lot :D you’re gonna be big man, let no one nor yt’s dumbshit keep you down💪🏽

[@tomb6593]

Are you really getting rid of the civic??

[@tyman7156]

I like the civic still. Focus is nice though

[@alexl.102]

You gotta try racing a stage one 1.5 now now with the cvt

[@YoYo-vc1os]

those ford st are hard to find the older ones

[@Channel21Jaymz]

Are u sure u got your tune straight? I know u were having probs with it. Maybe u should take to a dyno? With tsp u should be gapping the st.

[@Camhill182]

It said it was up around 24.5 psi in the video

[@trevorboyd3175]

I got the AWE track exhaust on my b8.5 s4 and it sounds amazing!

[@orangefirepearlfb6]

Cool video

[@ziggyz8345]

the ST is nice but the Si feels alot more premium imo, its nice and spacious as well

[@veejayher1]

You need to get her dial in on the dyno.

[@demoriaeprice6764]

When he like “yeah it just makes “swwshhh swshhh!!” Sound better, I was like.. F E L T 🤝

[@ryanaugustine5940]

Nice video. I would love to see how this SI stacks up with a stock WRX.

[@Crosbie85]

I think wrx would win but you never know 🤷‍♂️

[@asianken9286]

Martin Tintin not to brag or nothing but my si is on the same tune optimized with upgraded intercooler, intake and I walk all stock wrx. Only time they have a chance with me is from 0. But 30-40-60 rolls i say bye bye. I still trying to get a video of me against my brothers type R here soon.

[@brandonmartinez8147]

Martin Tintin definitely some bs lol. WRX’s are lunch for my tsp tuned Si. Ive only been beat by a heavily modded wrx and sti’s. The wrx is a boat. And they only make like 220 to the wheels. They look cool but are not that fast...

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

@Martin Tintin have a 35th myself but certainly am not worried about running a WRX on the highway. I'd be certainly surprised if it pulls me at all. If it does, once my car is tuned it will be all over

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

@Martin Tintin u start from a dig or roll? I'd love to run one from 20-120

[@sean3473]

I know the Si isn't really that fast, but i love it as my daily driver (coupe). Super fun for a commuter, especially with the fact it is my first brand new car, and with my lame RGB interior mods. One day, with the funds... I'll get my hands on a type-R and mod the shit out of it.

[@mikel7732]

You shoulda race each other at the end when your driving his car ;)

[@OzM26]

Your shifting had a lot to do with it, good races tho👌

[@jose13801380]

Are you in Tulare ?

[@mattgarza4889]

You should race him again with your Phearable Stage 1 Tune

[@spookgook4903]

Yeah man you need the AWE track exhaust, catless downpipe and remove the cat on exhaust. Loud. Backfires.

[@fatboypup78]

Grant's a boss cause he DFAF about a front plate

[@george503911]

Hey Cameron, so what did you think of the Focus St?

[@Camhill182]

I think it is awesome! the seating position is very, very different from the si, so I think I would need more time with an ST to really give a full detailed review of one. maybe ill see if Grant wants to switch cars for a weekend sometime soon

[@george503911]

@@Camhill182 Sounds good, I bought mine new in 2015. Have almost 91k now. At 20k I had a Cobb cold air intake, Cobb CatBack Exhaust, Cobb Intercooler and Cobb Rear motor mount installed from Snail Performance with a E30 tune From them. 70k miles later still going strong. Your not too far from me since I am in Sacramento.

[@george503911]

@@Camhill182 Hey Cameron you still looking for a 2020 Type R at factory sticker price?

[@george503911]

I might be able to help.

[@ArnelZapataJr]

New GTI my guy! That'd be dope since I'm also planning on trading my Civic for one.

[@deandavidson2823]

i love my 2019 GTI. have a JB4 piggyback on it and it puts down about 270hp to the wheels and well over 300 torque. hope you like yours!

[@camonstix9410]

A gti is basically the same thing as a civic. Atleast power wise. They make almost the the same power they are just a different platform

[@dewjustin]

@@camonstix9410 No. Do yourself some research on the EA888.

[@austen3896]

Never realized how under powered these SI are. Do you mind doing a 0-60 with ktuner 21 psi then doing a tsp stage 1 map 3 0-60.

[@notsoanonymous2458]

I agree. I've got a 2018 Si and think they really needed another 25-30 hp/torque out of the factory. On the bright side the gas mileage is incredible.

[@marcusmcneal7453]

They could use a bit more power, but you have to remember the Civics are pretty light cars. My non-SI is about 2750 lbs right now. That’s around the same as a BRZ/FRS/T86 while being a much large car. Honda also knows a lot of people are gonna tune their cars and get that extra HP anyways.

[@Peylix]

@@notsoanonymous2458 The SI is underpowered on purpose. Easy way to upsell for a CTR.

[@notsoanonymous2458]

@@Peylix The type R is under powered, too so that doesn't solve anything. The type R loses in the quarter to a lot of other cars in its class or price point.

[@Peylix]

@@notsoanonymous2458 It doesn't have to be the fastest in it's class to be considered good or more powerful. The CTR comes with 300hp from factory. That's the standard for hot hatches right now. Unlike VW. Look at the GTI. 220hp. The Golf R comes with 300hp finally, but it wasn't long ago that even the Golf R was under 300hp from factory. But it's still true. The SI is held back on purpose. Same reason the GTI is held back vs the R, the ST was held back vs the RS. I personally cannot stand the CTR. I don't like it's design, and it's power delivery leaves much to be desired.

[@ahmadjamil5906]

Really wanna see the Si go up against the new 1.5 Accord Sport!! (Am from the 209 btw 😎)

[@Crosbie85]

Ahmad Jamil also agree with that

[@NaijaBull]

It wouldn't be close. Si has more power/tq and weighs much less

[@grampsaggyballs]

Or better yet, against the accord 2.0t sport

[@eddiediaz3480]

@@grampsaggyballs 2.0 sport hear. I ran a modded si the other night. I have ktuner with stage 2.1 tune. Definitely wasnt what I thought it would be.. Kinda disappointed in the 10gen SI. The torque on the 2.0 matched with the 10speed Auto gives the SI little to no chance from a roll. I wasn't even brake boosting. I would love to run another one though just to see if it was just a bad driver.

[@JonHop1]

@@eddiediaz3480 bro the 2.0t comes from the factory with like 250hp and 270tq... The Si has a little 1.5L and makes like 200/190.. And you are running a map on top of that? Bro, you could give a stock Type R a decent race...

[@neilbyr11]

Focus has decent power down low. 30 or a 40 roll is its sweet spot

[@tomwhitmore1325]

Are those Pepboy exhaust tips on that Civic?

[@Camhill182]

Tom Whitmore what

[@crab9980]

you can brake boost on a tsp btw

[@isabelle.c011]

Yo revisit this st if not for racing for the vibes take him for a rip and if he still has it i want to see it vs the cobra

[@bryanholley5262]

Something just doesn't sound right about that. I have a 2014 focus titanium. It has 262 hp. Why does his st not have more power than that. I was thinking that the st had 300 hp. And the rs had 400 hp.

[@gettingfitat5015]

So can you change from map 1 to map 2 (etc...) without stopping the car? Might be a stupid question, but IDGAF... ;-)

[@isabelle.c011]

You got a new sub but remember never be nice to a focus st it likes i needs to be abused or it’ll abuse you lol

[@malakius]

Without watching the video, I knew the ST would win. 230hp stock Focus ST vs 220hp tuned Civic SI.

[@Justin-wf5nr]

St has 252 hp

[@sipumbs5746]

You’re forgetting about power-to-weight ratio buddy. I smack these STs all day. White boy needs driver mod

[@jakeflores936]

My 2014 ford racing blue blue up after I tuned it was a fun ride tho and I had the si too and some old man hit me so rip both of them

[@19gatsu84]

how many hp does the civic have?

[@Camhill182]

about 230whp right now with my tune

[@koriwright9135]

I also have a 2020 Si. Ive done just the catless dp/fp from Megan Racing. No tune as of yet. I took on a 3rd gen Ford Focus ST and it was grill to grill until he lifted. It was from a dead stop at a redlight. Now if his was a 2.0l or smaller, I dont know, but I didn't expect the Si to perform the way it did against the Focus ST. Extremely surprised by the outcome without being tuned yet.

[@aarong6616]

Kori Wright That dp/fp upgrade is doing loads for your power my friend. With a good CAI (PRL), and tsp tune, the 1.5 will be screaming!

[@koriwright9135]

@@aarong6616 Plans have been made!!!