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@krrjrjfj63272 ай бұрын
As a HongKonger, I would say that Hong Kong is more suitable for travel while SIngapore is more suitable for living
@tuomaskiv2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@eliso5973Ай бұрын
No, I prefer staying in Hong Kong than living in Singapore. I can't handle the weather in Singapore.
@hkr4lifeАй бұрын
@@eliso5973 and BORING LIFE. As an expat living in HK it's amazing here and i love hong kong ppl
@kayflip22332 ай бұрын
There are tons of 1st world type of cities in Asia - KL, Bangkok, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Taipei, Seoul, Busan, Osaka, Nagoya, Tokyo, Yokohama, Beijing etc. Asia is developed and rich asf.
@Helena_ZeeАй бұрын
7-year British resident of HK here. One thing is for sure, both HK and SG are ahead of the crumbling west. In HK, we pay some of the lowest income tax in the world, have access to good and affordable healthcare, benefit from world-class infrastructure, have easy access to the great outdoors (nice beaches, forests, mountains, hiking a few minutes from the city), it's international so you encounter people and foods from all corners of the world, and it's within easy reach of great cities like Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul, etc. The western media and certain western governments have been conducting a brutal smear campaign against China (and by extent, Hong Kong) since 2018, but the reality is that it's a world-class city and a hugely important financial hub that will play a critical role in Asia and the GBA for decades to come.
@carldowner15757 күн бұрын
Helena next year will be my first visit to hong kong super looking forward to the culture street food meeting local people not the touristy the real hong kong vibes
@user-ud4dm7ul3z3 ай бұрын
Hongkong is more culturally attractive than Singapore,which is why we love it
@luvsghatespap3 ай бұрын
How is HK culturally better than Singapore?? Fact shows that Singapore is one of world top 5 MOST diverse countries, many races & hundreds of nationalities live here, half populations living in Singapore are foreigners. Do u have that many foreigners love to make HK permanent home??😂
@ktc1282 ай бұрын
Hk is full of rude people ...only the food is something to look for😂@@hksamuel
@ericphua2359Ай бұрын
@@user-ud4dm7ul3z if you are referring to nights life, then Bangkok may be better and cheaper. Singapore is better for businesses and setting up family.
@charity123912 күн бұрын
@@hksamuel HK's living condition is bad.
@Apowerchannel9 күн бұрын
I think I agree because there is a lot of protests on Hong Kong Island and Kowloon
@ruslankolotogin3 ай бұрын
You can't compare SG to HK , the biggest reason that you can't set up a company solely yourself in SG, you neee a local director. While in HK you can be the 100% owner of the company and you dont need t hire any locals for that, unless you want to make yourself a working visa.
@user-iz2hz2sh6gАй бұрын
That’s going to change in due course
@ruslankolotogin3 ай бұрын
China situation ? NSL law only benefits foreign companies who wants to invest into HK and mainland China. It gives business stability, same as it had before all the 2014 and 2019 protests. Look how much money Christie's, Sotheby's and Phillips are investing into HK after 2019 protests, especially after NSL. For those comapnies its totally opposite, they want to have a bigger impact on HK luxury auction house market. I live here for 13 years, and nothing has changed. Great place to be.
@renegadehitman32713 ай бұрын
Congratulations on your wumao compensation for making this post. You BS isn't fooling anyone
@aidanchiu219521 күн бұрын
Why is everyone comparing Hong Kong and Singapore in a toxic way? Both are global financial centres and one of the most prosporous cities in Asia, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. Ity just depends on your style. There is no "better" city it just depends on your preferences. In fact, even though Hong Kong and Singapore are both competitors, they are in some ways interdependent of each other in for example trade.
@tuomaskiv21 күн бұрын
yes agre, people tend to get quite tribal about these things
@royli626515 күн бұрын
To get people like us to leave a comment and the content maker can get more views and money 😂
@cksee623719 күн бұрын
I can assure you that Hong Kong is more exciting than Singapore ! You can do hiking at mountains in the morning , swim in the sea in the afternoon, and then have parties in the evening at 5 stars hotels, or fine dining in a 3 stars Michelin restaurants and then popping into different bars for drinks in the late night. You can do all these activities in one day as the transportation is very efficient. Moreover, very safe in the late night !
@fairdragon793 ай бұрын
Agree with your view on favoring places that are on the right trajectory.
@martinkitaoka39893 ай бұрын
Hong Kong is still an exciting place to live as an expat or high earning individual, plus theres ample nature (clear beaches and mountains) just 1-2 hours public transport from city centre without having to cross borders is nowhere to be found in the world. Politics aside obviously
@luvsghatespap3 ай бұрын
FYI Singapore has the highest avg salary in asia, HK avg salary is far lesser than Singapore now. Just accept ur fate that u been declining & can’t be progessive as Singapore anymore ever since u been under the control of communist china. That’s why Singapore passport is rated no.1 in the world & not china(VY low world ranking).🥰🤭
@martinkitaoka39893 ай бұрын
@@luvsghatespap congratulations, I hope jerking off on KZbin comments has made your day better in this heat
@joelaw397Ай бұрын
@@luvsghatespap are you sure bro? before or after tax?
@tak3509Ай бұрын
@@luvsghatespapLOL this person think Singapore is so free lol
@LOL-VBE5 күн бұрын
@@luvsghatespap Hong Kong is literally way better than Singapore
@kevinmckenziee3 ай бұрын
Hong Kong looks awesome
@kayflip22332 ай бұрын
It's an amazing city. Tons of European expats too.
@heyheyyouxpАй бұрын
Great impression and fair. Anyone in a city probably only see one side of a place but you can see HK from many things.
@uut3783 ай бұрын
After 2014 & 2019 riot, the national security law was enacted to make Hong Kong much safer. Since 2019, some anti-government rioters/protesters left Hong Kong to Taiwan or western countries. And now, Hong Kong is more stable & prosperous, and enjoys low taxes, low crime rates.
@rcanon102 ай бұрын
what's funny is that even before 2014, 2019, National Security Laws etc. etc. Hong Kong was always stable and prosperous, and has always enjoyed low crime rates taxes. So what are you on about?
@tsuitsui1002 ай бұрын
what a joke
@charity123912 күн бұрын
Of course Singapore is the winner. HK's housing is a no-no. I dont mind visting HK but not staying there. Too congested and dirty. Singapore is clean and safe for families with young children. For holidays, Singaporeans can certainly getaway to Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc. Even day trips to Malaysia and Indonesia (Batam/Bintang) is possible.
@scolarichris16 күн бұрын
Hong Kong is an exciting city. Easy to make business, low tax, excellent transportation, efficient working people, plenty of opportunities. I can put up with the heat and the humidity in the summer period but for me the major draw back is the air pollution that can be terrible certain days. Another thing to consider is that accommodation is expensive.
@craciunlabs2 ай бұрын
After living a totalled 2 years in Hong Kong. Is not for a digital nomad. 5x prices on food and rent. Absolutely horrible service at most venues. Some people can be kind in hong kong. Few days is not enough to see if the place is or not for you. Goodluck
@hkr4lifeАй бұрын
Exactly. For all the digital nomad out there that don't earn enough there is Bali o Vietnam for them. Hong Kong is for high salary ppl. I live in Hk since 2004. i love here and i feel blessed
@user-tu3xz3oy8k3 ай бұрын
Recently visited Cape Town, South Africa. Really really cool place!!!
@extsaojose3 ай бұрын
what about safety?
@riancavandeventer74373 ай бұрын
@@extsaojoseim a South African… its unfortunately not so safe in certain parts but if you visit the Western Cape…it wont disappoint. Its the best part of South Africa
@hksamuel3 ай бұрын
So may I say, Singapore is good but very boring, Hong Kong is bad but interesting?😂😂😅
@tuomaskiv3 ай бұрын
Hong Kong for travel, Singapore for living/business
@hksamuel3 ай бұрын
@@tuomaskiv welcome
@johnchua9387Ай бұрын
You are so insecured, and it shows. Grow up, little China man.
@ktc1283 ай бұрын
For my past 5 visits to HK, never was there a pleasant one. People are rude, crowds everywhere. The only consolation is good food there
@sarahchan560419 күн бұрын
Go for hiking and exploring outlying islands of Hong Kong, go to places like Stanley,Discovery bay, walking trails around the peak and the rural areas,it will be surely a total relaxing and different experience
@jimmygu277923 күн бұрын
Suggest you visiting Shanghai which you might like. Good video.
@gohfai14 күн бұрын
As i born in hongkong, the living condition is getting more better than before.
@Victhor2 ай бұрын
I have been looking for jobs in both cities and recruiters don't recommend SGP because they reject most of the working visas, companies need to have a local to foreigner ratio above 1:10 to have a chance of getting a visa approved for a new foreigner. Concerning salary/costs the situation in SGP is getting worse, especially for architects it is more profitable to go to HK. Still Dubai is way better in that aspect, but life in Dubai is hell and male to female ratio is 4 to 1, not a place for straight men.
@njpringle3 ай бұрын
"traditionally a popular place for expats" Err, Hong Kong was founded by the British and was ruled by Britain for over 100 years, as recently as up until 1997. Same with Singapore, it was also founded by the British and was ruled by Britain for over a century.
@thebabbler88672 ай бұрын
Dubai and Singapore are NOT world cities like Hong Kong. HK is the cultural, financial, and media capital of Asia; it has historical value, and one of the few territories that provide USA-type opportunities outside of North America. Dubai is a pathetic tourist town and nothing more. Singapore is basically a port city; its feeble economy is tied to how well the port does. Hong Kong is a much bigger city than both, and has more to do and see, more events, more diverse job opportunities, and more freedom; it's simply superior across the board compared to the other inadequate cities you've mentioned.
@coenharoldsen99222 ай бұрын
Also better weather
@AvengeBasketballАй бұрын
Tf are u smoking or u still living in the 80s 😂 🤡
@jaysonlam7853Ай бұрын
I agree
@ericphua2359Ай бұрын
More than 80 percent of Singapore citizens own a government built housings. Besides properties and financial industries, Singapore has manufacturing, semiconductor, for example. Singapore also has tourism, Taylor swift concert, and Singapore air show, F1 nights race for example. Singapore is also logistics hubs, both sea and air. Singapore has the busiest sea port. Currently building the biggest maga port to be completed in 2027. Singapore airport is among the best in the world. A fifth terminal is in the pipline. Many tech MNC make Singapore their Asia HQ. Fintech, AI are area of investment. Singapore also has petrochemical industries in our jurong island. Singapore also has shipbuilding industries. Singapore also has biomedical industries. Singapore are family friendly, we build a lot of play ground for children. NUS and NTU are rank amount the top 50 universities.
@EPCEXPERT19 күн бұрын
I’ve been to SGP and HK, but my best choice would be KL - simply the best!
@royli626515 күн бұрын
How can you genuinely enjoy one place if you keep comparing it with the others ?
@Alejandroramirez-ch6xf2 ай бұрын
I felt that London is more busy than HK. And public transport more busy in London too..
@SA-cloudАй бұрын
Huh...really...but then, look at the Tube compared to HK's MTR. You just want to be in Mong Gok around 5pm and see the waves of people on the streets in HK. I never experienced anything like that in London.
@scottsanettАй бұрын
Not really.
@flamer978310 күн бұрын
@@SA-cloud There's no comparison between the tube and the MTR. One is more spacious and has ample airconditioning. The other is sticky and grubby and small. It was built in the last century and it shows
@SA-cloud10 күн бұрын
@@flamer9783 I agree, I wasn't talking about the MTR (It's obvious it's better) I was talking about Mong Gok being more busy than places in London.
@MANCO5133 ай бұрын
What about malaysia?
@tuomaskiv3 ай бұрын
Going there soon!
@ditsygirl54093 ай бұрын
I’m Singaporean and I’m interested in your review of KL if you ever go there!
@tuomaskiv3 ай бұрын
Yep. Going there in 2 months!
@justinehayward25533 ай бұрын
Short answer, yes.
@stephanietang87174 күн бұрын
Singapore doesn't have much interesting history. The only popular site is the floating swimming pool and the lighted up tree, full stop. I would prefer HK much much more
@AlphardV55WR353 ай бұрын
Yup, that's Hong Kong ! 😁
@puileung83 ай бұрын
As a Hongkonger, Singapore is boring for me. Most things here are not expensive except for rental costs. You can also find a wide range of cheap things from China. Also, there are many options to rent if you don't have to worry about taking care of children or commuting to work every day. But, Singapore has the advantage of widespread English fluency, while English proficiency among Hong Kong residents may be lower.
@Gonecase4ever3 ай бұрын
Technically singapore is in the centre of popular tourist places like Bangkok and Bali. With a Singaporean passport, we have access to best of Southeast Asia.
@NewmaticKe3 ай бұрын
@@Gonecase4ever My Singapore passport provides access to more than SEA
@puileung83 ай бұрын
@@NewmaticKe This is super good
@user-in8se8ir6f3 ай бұрын
Singapore is exciting for people with disposable income. i suggest you work harder
@twtw7853 ай бұрын
Singapore is definitely boring - no doubt. All the mall structures are pretty much same. You feel like you are in a robot city. If you go there for a few days, it's great. If you stay there for more than a month, you will be bored to tears. If you don't believe, you try it yourself.
@viralloger2673 ай бұрын
For me,kl or bangkok is the best
@SA-cloudАй бұрын
HK is a nice city. Of course if you know locals in a place you'll see a different side. Take a trip to Lantau island on the ferry and eat in the fish restaurants...it's very green too. HK was always a super creative city. You see a cake shop in London, it's just a cake shop. The same shop in HK will be next level. KL is also very green. I'm not sure what impression you get after 3 or 4 days, saying that though (I spent 5+ weeks in HK and 5 weeks in Malaysia). Malaysia is the only place that felt like home the moment I stepped off the plane the first time I visited. Perhaps HK will change over time 😐 and I haven't been back to KL for a while. The Malaysia as a second home program was too expensive when I checked it out years ago. HK property is too small and too expensive. So, Dubai is great (but less green) however, it's in a good location, so you can visit HK or KL with a 7 hour trip 😄 if you can configure all the variables.
@rubenreyes4477Ай бұрын
Try to visit the Phils. Then look where you like to see and maybe stay?
@tuomaskivАй бұрын
Yeah I went to the Philippines, not a big fan of
@albertcheng991121 күн бұрын
HK is the south finanical centre of China and Shanghai is north finanical centre of China. If you believe China will become 1st nominal gdp the world at the next 20 years, choose HK.
@angelroberts20Ай бұрын
Weather try summer between July August lol
@alifnor2 ай бұрын
How do I do what you do? What kind of jobs do I need to get to live in a different country? I’m an American ready to move out and explore.
@truthfacts5438Ай бұрын
Start by owning a business. If you work for yourself you can make plans for yourself to travel, if you work for others you never will get out
@sultanbabar83503 ай бұрын
Which city you like and loved the most, Tuomas?
@tuomaskiv3 ай бұрын
Dubai
@Javy_Valen_Tain3 ай бұрын
What about the language barrier?
@bradyan538382 ай бұрын
english is the official language
@iloveindiandfood5572 ай бұрын
you should never compare any thing
@jessenolastname943529 күн бұрын
At least Hong long has ‘winter ‘ 😂
@hayyana9 күн бұрын
Singapore is like living in a military camp too and very boring.
@tenwhite7693 ай бұрын
talk practical and not politics. in singapore you put up with hot weather. in hong kong you put up with constant noise, crowding, dirtiness/rotting environment&buildings, street level pollution/hazards, rudeness, more crimes, and horrible housing
@sarahchan5604Ай бұрын
It depends on which area you go,no need to put up with anything in Hong Kong
@ericphua2359Ай бұрын
More than 80 percent of Singapore citizens own a government built housings. Besides properties and financial industries, Singapore has manufacturing, semiconductor, for example. Singapore also has tourism, Taylor swift concert, and Singapore air show, F1 nights race for example. Singapore is also logistics hubs, both sea and air. Singapore has the busiest sea port. Currently building the biggest maga port to be completed in 2027. Singapore airport is among the best in the world. A fifth terminal is in the pipline. Many tech MNC make Singapore their Asia HQ. Fintech, AI are area of investment. Singapore also has petrochemical industries in our jurong island. Singapore also has shipbuilding industries. Singapore also has biomedical industries. Singapore are family friendly, we build a lot of play ground for children. NUS and NTU are rank amount the top 50 universities.
@khuzram3 ай бұрын
Malaysia would be good check that out modern and safe 👍
@tuomaskiv3 ай бұрын
100%, I am going there in 2 months
@leealex243 ай бұрын
KL
@ericphua2359Ай бұрын
Recommend Juhor, Melaka.
@kellyting7674Ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍Love Hk
@ericphua235922 күн бұрын
Singapore GDP is 2x of Hong Kong.
@LPYHK3 ай бұрын
Hi I'm a Hongkonger who watched all your videos cuz I'm planning to relocate to Dubai. Thanks for visiting Hong Kong! ❤ Honestly, it's a bad idea to move to HK now, almost everyone here is urging to escape/already moved to countries like UK, Canada, and Australia. Even though we have to pay a higher tax rate, we still hurry to go there because Hong Kong is a dangerous place now. The good old days are gone. So I wouldn't recommend anyone to live here.
@tuomaskiv3 ай бұрын
Interesting. In what way do you mean it is "dangerous"
@Dumpmaster-20553 ай бұрын
Well the dangerous is the government (I mean CCP)
@ralph36520033 ай бұрын
@@tuomaskiv For local HKers, the "dangerous" from their perspective is because they are becoming more and more scared of CCP from mainland China, cause they felt their democracy and freedom has been ruined by the party in recent years. However, for foreigners, practically nothing should be considered dangerous as of now, HK is still a city full of business opportunities.
@LPYHK3 ай бұрын
@@ralph3652003 If you come as a tourist and only travel for a few weeks. Yes, you'll be fine. But if you want to stay for months or a year, you'll be affected by the current situation. Because what China has done to us is that not only has democracy been affected in Hong Kong, but everything has started to fall apart. Even the crime rate is rising rapidly. Corruption in the police force has become widespread. Inadequate medical services because most of the doctors and nurses have left and moved to other countries. It's no longer a safe city and definitely not an ideal place to live for foreigners or locals.
@luvsghatespap3 ай бұрын
Fyi many Hong Kongers have migrated to Singapore which u didn’t know, they have started as early as 1980s & 1990s. Many have felt that was the BEST move ever rather than moving to N. America,Australia or any European countries cos those countries aren’t asia countries afterall, u will always be treated as 2nd class citizen in white country.🥰🤭
@aeri8783 ай бұрын
Hong Kong is better. Better air quality, less expensive, a cleaner city, less crowd now, locals are nice and polite plus you can chew gum.
@cindykisine5300Ай бұрын
Better air quality!? Only if you have always lived in HK😂 air is heavy and polluted
@calvinl21993 ай бұрын
It’s just hilarious when people think Dubai or Singapore offer more freedoms than Hong Kong 😂
@dicky-duck66322 ай бұрын
Dubai offers same level of legal protection as Hong Kong🤣🤣🤣
@AvengeBasketballАй бұрын
HK definitely more freedom! Look at the big scale riots and people disappearing after.
@ericphua2359Ай бұрын
Depend on who you ask. For one Singapore do NOT have death penalty for Taiwanese base on their political incline. Taiwanese can visit Singapore safely for leasure, business, study or work.
@calvinl2199Ай бұрын
@@ericphua2359 although the maximum penalty for treason in SG is life imprisonment you can get hanged for drug trafficking. Different countries, different rules
@ericphua2359Ай бұрын
@@calvinl2199, Yes, if you are looking for drugs in Singapore, you will be disappointed. Because all durg trafficer were hung. Singapore want to keep this, to keep Singapore drugs free and safe for our children. We don't tourists who visit Singapore for drugs. Maybe HK is safer than Singapore in term of doings durg.
@worldlife98343 ай бұрын
Boring rambling video
@GTGamingVirus3 ай бұрын
Singapore is better
@90taetaeya3 ай бұрын
Singapore for me, according to the democracy index, it is categorised as a flawed democracy. Hong Kong has fallen to Hydrid Regime status and is heading to Authoritarian.
@ericphua2359Ай бұрын
60+ of Singapore choose the current political party to be the government of the day. It Singaporean choices.
@nmaddpnmaddp7333Ай бұрын
Hong Kong = CCP cop can anytime knock on your hotel room door and take you away for being SPY . Singapore = Pure of Freedom and relaxation Now you take a pick ?
@sarahchan5604Ай бұрын
You have such incredible imagination!
@qazwsxedc96423 күн бұрын
HK is dead now, the only skills the country has is stock and real estate broking and both sectors will never recover. Tech skills are third world, economic knowledge is fourth world, engineers specialize in fixing toilets for ultra rich, LKF is dead, SW is dead, taxis are 50 years old and always trying to crash into each other, shops are all closed and the ones alive are said to be money washing, restaurants are closing one after another, you get 5 circle ks or 7-11s in two blocks, and 3 watsons and mannings. Full of life? I dont know what you guys are smoking here.
@computer-ot8si2 ай бұрын
But please be reminded that Hongkong is not a normal city now. There are at least 48 persons, including University Professors, Lawyers, Teachers, Reporters spending their 5th year in prison and without trial. China govt is going to keep them in life imprisonment. Even in Africa, country like Senegal, the old president would only keep his rivalry leader Bassirou Diomaye Faye in prison for just 1 year and then allow him to join the president election and let him be the next president after fair election. How can you pretend to know nothing about them and continue to play happily in Hongkong? That's what the China govt want you to do. It's just because their thoughts are against China. And there are hundreds of Hongkong ordinary people are put in jail for over 5 years. At least 2 persons in prison were forced to do TV show to say China govt is absolutely right. Please read "European Union message to China on human rights day" before going to China.
@sarahchan560419 күн бұрын
BS
@clemlowes94173 ай бұрын
Personally I would not be comfortable living under Authoritarian rule. All your "Rights" are what they tell you they are. Living in a Democracy all my life I cherish my Rights under The Law where no one is above them.
@ruslankolotogin3 ай бұрын
He compares to Singapore and Dubai, how are they better than In HK in that sense?😂
@reggie69.3 ай бұрын
Hong kong, singapore, and dubai/uae are soft authoritarians UAE is a kindom Singapore is a one party state that acts like a company and hong kong is a corporation Big companies vote based on how much they make in Hong Kong And make the laws in their favor which is why all most of the grocery store brands are actually owned by one company and real estate is expensive when 80 percent of the land is not used @ruslankolotogin
@tenwhite7693 ай бұрын
this is typical ignorant hk thinking. singapore citizens has more rights and freedom (those that matters) than a hk citizen ever has. (Eg. right to vote for govt of your choice, right to affordable housing/education/healthcare, right to safe/clean environment, and most important the right knowing what is the planned future you and your children can have.
@calvinl21993 ай бұрын
@@tenwhite769 Right to vote for the government of your choice? SG has been ruled by the same party for 65 years since it separated from Malaysia! Education/housing/healthcare are paid for by taxes. HK has lower taxes but still has free education and good healthcare, with the highest life expectancy in the world. Right to know your planned future? Not sure what you mean, you mean the SG government can predict your future?
@zurchero3 ай бұрын
@@calvinl2199lower tax but spent a lifetime paying mortgages for a tiny apartment. That if you ever saved enough for a down payment😂
@am5a032 ай бұрын
I'm a Hongkonger. Hong Kong used to be a great place, but it's like a sinking ship right now because of the political situation. Not going to talk about the politics, but as a matter of fact, leaderships just suck and with aging issues, youngsters are leaving Hong Kong since 2019, I can foresee that Hong Kong will become less and less prosperous in the next 10 or 20 years.
@nanjing786543 ай бұрын
probably one of the worst places to be in if you value free speech and individual freedoms such a shame such an awesome city has fallen so much. my prayers go out to all hong kongers
@percytong5377Ай бұрын
You are wrong. We enjoy lots of freedom of speech and individual freedom. We can openly talk about what is a woman unlike the West. We can openly oppose anyone who try to groom our kid to change sex without being sued by the government. We can reject any men to enter female toilets or changing room even he claims he is a woman. Of course, we can use whatever pronouns we want to address anybody. We are free from mass gun shooting in pulic area by crazy people. Our streets are free from homeless people or drug addicts in most part of our city. We are safe to go out on the street late at night. We enjoy cheap and clean public transport like MTR. We have cheap public health care. I simply enjoy every day of my time in Hong Kong.
@sarahchan5604Ай бұрын
Great! Spot on
@tsuitsui1002 ай бұрын
As a local HKer, my advice is stay away from China as far as possible