Why Old Engines DESTROY Newer Ones💀| Explained Ep. 25

[@datgamerboy123]

"how many burgers need flipping to acquire" 😂

[@datgamerboy123]

Holy smokes I got a pin?!

[@jdmozee12]

250k

[@DENIS-jz8zp]

make a video about m104

[@Hoonagen]

Can you please do a video on how the current McLaren V8 TwinTurbo engines are based off of an old Nissan R390 engine from the 90s?

[@ellisjackson3355]

​@@Hoonagen interesting

[@drayday3794]

The car enthusiasts Morgan Freeman

[@Lalambz]

even his voice was heard when reading your comment

[@NoStepOnSnek762]

I was literally going to say this...

[@BPBomber]

Yeah, this channel is phenomenal. The host not only has automotive history knowledge for days but his delivery is fucking golden smooth.

[@jordanbabcock9349]

Definitely not Morgan Freeman. Outstanding for sure.. Morgan Freeman and David Attenborough are the pinnacle. This channel is definitely one of the BEST of our era!

[@crabbyscrappy]

This is the most perfectest way of describing him

[@chiron01]

10 years ago you could order a 2JZ-GTE for $2800-$3200 from most crate engine websites and always available. The terminator 4.6Ls were around $4000-$4500. An LS1 fell right between the two. It's crazy how much things have changed in such a short period. 2JZs were cheap considering what they are. I wish i had bought about 50 of them and stored them.

[@dunhillsupramk3]

i know for a fact that about 10yrs ago around the world in most junkyards (including in America) the 2JZ-GE and some 2JZ-GTE was being sold as scrap metal (its a heavy chunk of pig iron)... they would buy all these worthless cars from Japan that used these engines, import them, strip them and then sell it for scrap metal... now the reason why i know this is because my 2JZ-GTE was going to be sold for scrap before i bought it (paid $900 for it), it was sitting in an area with about 15 other 2JZ-GE waiting for the truck to pick them up to be sold as scrap...

[@sheneedsyrruup]

@@dunhillsupramk3 Amazing story, how is it holding up now?

[@nofool3258]

We all do buddy. We all do 😩

[@hoonfox5087]

@@dunhillsupramk3 that's depressing. at least you snagged one though

[@hooyabaaa2]

People start to swap those engines to everything that have 4 wheels, and most of then are at least at 800 hp mark. Years ago was just an reliable JDM engine. Toyota Supra being the ''owner'' of this engine, also got into the ''classic'' car culture and now, an Toyota Supra also costs huuuuge amounts of money. It´s safe to say the LS engine is the winner just by availability. You have many gens of Camaros and Corvettes around using that engine, many engines in the shops, into the junk, and even in the GM page as crate engine (brand new). After that, you have ton of people working with these engines and many companys with aftermarket pieces for it... And i think into the near future, the 2 JZ availability and price only tend to get worst and worst.

[@carlospacheco8640]

Love the fact how you stated "All it takes is one brave deep pocketed individual to make a glory run". Thank you.

[@MitchMatrixx]

This channel continues to blow me away with the fantastic presentation on offer here. The script writing, narration, knowledge level, and high quality production are on a truly professional level. This channel deserves heaps of praise, and more views. Especially love the remark about the “Jean shorts, and NB crowd”. Brilliant work, keep up the great output!

[@MultiPunisher94]

Same here. the hype i get from a new 337 speed vid is awesome cuz im about to learn some shit lmao

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Agree 100%

[@nickdominic9103]

wikipedia with some generic fluff

[@MitchMatrixx]

@@nickdominic9103 “And here we get a rare and wonderous glimpse, at the unruly Edgelord in his native habitat, the comment section…” - Attenbro

[@erpaderpa4469]

I’ve always been interested how they make those shots where all the parts, nuts and bolts just fall into place

[@Allmighttogon]

The only negative about this video is that it isn’t longer! I can go all day listening to this! Great work man🔥

[@KyCloud69]

This is the type of car content we’ve all be longing for. Enough with the car review channels, this is the new standard!

[@getyoted7105]

YESSIR🗣

[@malcolmn.5222]

Ehhh content was okay...

[@getyoted7105]

@@malcolmn.5222 hater

[@ziggyfreud5357]

Correct

[@brandonchism6960]

Outstanding video and content my guy!!! You never disappoint. My only pushback here is the availability of the B58. Admittedly I haven’t checked on prices from junkyard pulls so I’m totally open to the idea that they are insanely priced. That being said, the B58 has been in production since 2016 and is used in 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8 series cars as well as all the RWD based X platforms excluding the new XM. They’re hugely plentiful at least here in the US, but you’re right in that they are either a premium option or the cheapest engine on a higher series car/SUV.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

I heard that bmw will keep them around till 2030 so they'll more than likely start getting cheaper over time considering that bmw puts them in almost every car they make now.

[@Silviodante1960]

i was about to say, he is giving availability ratings higher for engines used in 2/3 cars, b58 should have scored 10 easily, because it is used in 15+ cars simultaneously.

[@Zwank36]

u for got the 1 series

[@brandonchism6960]

@@Zwank36 I didn’t forget it. It’s no longer produced for the US market and the X1 is FWD based. I don’t know anything about that hatch version elsewhere. Does it have the B58 as well???

[@weloveyouuaj]

@@brandonchism6960 the previous generation m140i did

[@brennanpatrick]

Man, the amount of effort and production you out into these videos is insane. I really enjoy every one of them.

[@drownthepoor]

I could be wrong, but I would be willing to bet that there is a small team of people producing for this channel. Or at a minimum the guy who is writing/narrating possibly editing and the guy who is doing the graphics.

[@Josh-qm4rb]

*Please do correct me if I am wrong* , but I personally think the B58 is just as strong as a 2JZ-GTE (both at 9 in terms of strength) There are many B58s RELIABLY handling well over 800-850whp (equivalent to 1000bhp) on unopened stock engines. Titan motorsports had a stock unopened B58 rated at over 850whp and they constantly abused it, over 120 dyno runs, many different fuels tested on it, and loads of quarter mile passes, it never blew up, they just replaced it with a built engine to be on the safe side. When they tore it down, most of the parts looked pretty much new as well! The B58's factory aluminium block has incredibly thick walls and was originally designed for high performance Diesel engines. Papadakis racing has been constantly abusing their built B58 drift motor (1100whp) for quite a few years now, it still has the stock aluminium block and also the stock crankshaft. The current 2JZ stock internal record stands at 1106whp, the current B58 stock internal record is around 950whp. Give it some time and I bet there will be a few 1000whp stock internal B58s around. In terms of reliability (bone stock form, with stock auxiliary parts), both engines are reliable, but they do have their issues. The B58 has cooling system issues, coolant hoses that burst and leak at times etc, the valve cover gasket/PCV valve is also known to fail early on in its life, causing oil leaks. The 2JZ-GTE's stock twin turbos aren't that good and have been known to fail, affecting the reliability, most tuners have single turbo swapped the 2JZ-GTE in order to improve reliability. The stock 2JZ-GE (naturally aspirated) on the other hand has hardly any common issues and is bulletproof. The 2JZ on the other hand I believe has a lot more availability compared to the B58, considering it has been around for so long (30+ years), thousands of tuning companies are still producing after market 2JZ parts to this day, blocks, rotating assemblies and many more.

[@benjaminwatson7868]

B58s are literally the best inline 6 in the world right now everybody just knows dyno queen Supra numbers for 2jzs

[@gcutler15]

You're not wrong, hell even the n54 puts the hurt on 2Js

[@cheyennegrahamoneill9330]

​@@benjaminwatson7868 agreed 100%. But this guy has some biases and I think is pandering a little bit to the target audience. Seems mostly focused on American cars and Japanese imports so he couldn't possibly rate the 2J below the B58. B58 is IMO a way better engine. Not even really comparable. BMW M50's with turbos run against 2J's and the B58 is miles above that engine

[@blocksource4192]

Exactly... wrote a comment describing how much of a waste of time this video is. Emission regulations, environmental regulations, and so many other things are the reason these engines are 'less' reliable. Boohoo sorry for not burning down the planet for an extra bullshit metric on some yt video..@@cheyennegrahamoneill9330 Also I hate how so much of the car community is american wasteofgas muscle and jdm...

[@bcepni00]

@@cheyennegrahamoneill9330Can't anger the angry mob.

[@Wezi006]

Always a joy to see this man upload.

[@337speed]

🙏🏽

[@mrirace926]

4.6 SVT sounds like nothing else. With a Borla Attack Exhaust system bolted on to it, Top 3 Engine sounds of all time.

[@hangfire6368]

When camshaft swaps are a factor, that is where the LS/LT become more attractive. I think the biggest question is what vehicle is it going in and is it a swap that is well supported.

[@drchestpain9166]

Currently trying to put one in the backseat of an 03 elantra lil

[@tappajaav]

@@drchestpain9166 Still trying to put one in the backseat of an 03 elantra lil?

[@bobfugazy4916]

Terrific video, thanks for putting that together. The 2JZ will always be the winner for me.

[@JackV-tw8bw]

If you want a 2jz now the best thing you can do is buy a S58 engine, they are more reliable with more tuning potential, and they are easy to find and get parts for

[@Maximus20778]

Your biased

[@SeeFlow-bo1dl]

@@JackV-tw8bw I'm buying an M3 and getting the full package lol

[@easternequinox9324]

Dude you keep these videos coming! Love your content and passion for cars, engines and the stories behind them.

[@ironbull2003]

I been boosted for over 4 years now, 33k miles on boost , close to 900whp for over 2 years, 750whp first two on pump gas and i go to Mexico all the time. 2015 5.0 TT un open engine stock OPGs, stock MT82 and i know people that push over a 1000whp on completely stock internals. i do not know one person with 750 whp termi cobra that had no issues with their engine, even after 2 years. I know a guy with 03 cobra, after his 3 modular ford engines (around 1000whp) he went LS. There are sustain rules when it comes to coyotes and if you do not follow them and cut corners you end up with problems, if you are doing everything right then they will live long life even at 1000+whp. Good video BTW

[@OilMax]

Backed up every single number on this list with facts. Already like 100 comments on how well done this video is and it’s been up for only 5 hours. Well done sir.

[@benjaminwatson7868]

The facts are mainly myths in this video especially the reliability and strength parts

[@Jschreifels11318]

The animations, the graphs, the graphics, the overall video quality, you would think 337 has a team of 100 making these videos. Well done

[@Spoolin_thriller2xx6]

@337 Speed This was such an awesome video! I’m looking forward to part 2! Just an idea, I think it would be interesting to do the EJ25 VS. FA24. From my own research the newer motor has been shocking me when it comes to how much more power it makes just from simple tuning and bolt on applications.

[@lennixsingh626]

The EJ was never a good engine to begin with, so its not a hard benchmark to beat.

[@Spoolin_thriller2xx6]

@@lennixsingh626 It’s definitely not an engine for beginners. As with many engines it definitely has its flaws. But looking past that there have been many applications where this engine has proved it’s self. That being said when it comes to this engines power per dollar amount it is poor, admittedly. I believe a segment in depth on the EJ VS. FA could really expand what’s already out there on both of these types of engines. There’s a lot of miss information about EJs out there.

[@Roomsaver]

Or RB26DETT vs VR38DETT

[@markoz673bajen8]

Oil Pan: Git Drained boi

[@cedarpointfanboy7317]

@@Roomsaver VR38 bodies the RB but that’s kind of obvious given it has over a liter of displacement over the RB

[@graybeardsage]

Ive bled ford blue since owning a 69 Mustang and fox bodies, but........ I LOVE my LS3! My only complaint is the LS lifter bucket design which can allow a lifter to rotate on the cam if it wears out and send metal shavings all through your engine. I prefer the OG 5.0 dog bone and spider retainer method.

[@aidangarrett7295]

You're spot on with the 2JZ vs B58 conversation. I owned a mk5 supra, then switched to a 340i xDrive with a 6MT. Water pump failures do occur but there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason as to why. The crankcase ventilation issue can be solved with a $20 part and common sense to perform preventative maintenance. I can't wait to see how many miles I'll be able to put on mine!

[@Recknoknight]

Been watching since your first explained series and this channel is by far the best docu-series type shit I've come across in suuuuch a long time. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@brettconv83]

I’ve had extremely good luck beating the piss out of many 4.6L 2Vs. Love that engine. Super easy to work on and timing chains easy to do.

[@rjhick1]

Ngl my eyes rolled when you gave the B58 and 2JZ the same cost. The 2JZ is way more expensive than the B58 lol its not even close. Anyways its a great video all around. You should do the Oldschool Honda K20 vs the new K20C1 engine

[@RhombusProductions]

B vs K would be more appropriate, although I'm a D guy because I can't help cheer for the underdog lol

[@oneplumpboi5317]

I'm glad you got most of the things addressed. I can't stress enough how tough fuel emissions are that cause weaker engines today. So many moving parts that fail as well as inherently weaker blocks that have massive coolant passages in an open deck design to cool the combustion chamber, as we all know, cause mushrooming in the combustion chamber which can lead to blown head gaskets. Don't even get me started on the purposely choked intake ports on Hondas and their SOHC engines. For me, a powerful N/A engine is one that makes over 100bhp per liter displacement, with 150-175 hp per liter displacement being perfect for track-configured engines (YES, YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT WITH 310+DEGREE CAMS AND A HIGHER RPM). The amount of arguments I've had telling me 140hp from a 2l engine naturally aspirated is to be admired, drives me crazy. Another note. Rod ratio. To make modern engines fit into a smaller more compact design they make the block shorter, in doing so making the rod shorter. This is why you find many modern 4 or 6-cylinders running a 1.5:1 rod ratio, which harms the bearings' life span, and thus why you get spun rods. Combine that with most rod bearings which run tighter tolerances to allow the oil to heat up faster from a cold start, and you have a recipe for trouble. Don't believe me? Look at Fa20s. Unless you deal with the oil cavitation issues, you can even spin the bearings at stock power levels. Using a 1.5:1 rod ratio might be good for tuning because of the lack of compression dwell, but it's not worth the trade-off for a longer rod ratio that has better secondary harmonics and better bearing stress.

[@benjaminwatson7868]

You do understand that because fuel emissions are tougher they have to build a stronger engine that makes more horsepower that isn’t effected by emissions requirements let alone start/stop strain

[@oneplumpboi5317]

​@@benjaminwatson7868 Can you name the engine you're describing? Because you sound like you're speaking gibberish with your bullshit stop/start strain. The 1994 supra makes 320hp stock. The 2020 makes 335 and is an inherently weaker engine. The Ej20 and 25's compared the their early generation closed deck, are weaker. The Fa20, its successor, is a less reliable platformed when boosted.

[@mikegillam1000]

I’d love to see some thoughts on GM’s turbo and supercharged variants of the 3.8L V6, Mercedes Kompressor engines, and Ford’s EcoBoost engines

[@lethargicstove2024]

Yes especially the Ecoboost engines

[@benjaminwatson7868]

This dude doesn’t care about anything new really

[@chadkent1241]

Here to remind everyone that the standing mile world record holder is an oem block and heads 5.4L Ford GT that ran 0-300.4 mph in 21 secs. The quickest 1/4 on an almost entirely oem cast engine is a John Mihovetz prepped 4.6 4V that with only non oem rods, pistons, and camshafts installed, ran 5.88 @ 250mph . These are absolute accomplishments on oem engines.

[@aluminumfalcon552]

Most “newer” engines are just continued developments of older engines. The biggest advances are in head designs, valvetrain, induction, etc. the RB engine for example has its roots in the L series engines from as early as the 60’s. The LS engine is much more recent having been developed in the 90’s. The newest engines also have not had as much time to mature in the modding community, where older engines have been tried and tested by so many people, almost like crowd engineering as people mod them and find what works and doesn’t. Once the newest engines have been around for longer, they will end up being better than their predecessors.

[@firstNamelastName-ho6lv]

The LS platform is really not that recent at all, each generational update is great but it's still an 80s, maybe even 70s chevy SBC with modern manufacturing tolerances and faster ECUs.

[@Ulfstigandr]

The SBC was developed back in the 50s and the LS is really just incremental evolutions of that. The ford mod motors were all new in the early 90s and even the 6.2 or the 6.8 v10 are simply variations of that engineering. The new godzilla is one I'm interested in seeing more development in, the rumored all aluminum 6.8 version would be very fun to play with. Of course I've always wondered how fords v8 would have turned out if they evolved the old Windsor for the modern age also. Bet it wudda been a LS eater.

[@actionjksn]

If you are building the LS gen 4 engine, the AFM on the 4th gen LS engine is a non issue. You can eliminate that mess when you swap the cam. Also if you have a vehicle with a gen 4 LS and you need to put a gen 3 in it, there is a way to do that while keeping the original gen 4 ECM. You have to take the crankshaft out and take it to a machine shop and have the Gen 4 sensor pressed onto the crank. You also have to swap out the cam sensors. I had to do this on my 08 Silverado which came with a 4th gen 5.3 liter. I replaced it with a 6L LQ4 which is a gen 3 which doesn't have the AFM like my original engine. After I did it the engine only ran on 4 cylinders which kind of freaked me out. I took the ECM out of it and brought it to a tuner and he fixed it. I think I paid him about $200. I've been driving it like this for about three years. You also have to modify your original knock sensor which is not that hard. I plan to do it but right now I'm still running around without a knock sensor. There is also a way to swap it out by buying some kind of computer device. I can't remember what it's called it's got a funny name. I wanted to keep my original gen 4 ECM. If you want to get rid of AFM then putting a 3rd gen LS in is a way to do it. The electronic thing with the funny name is called a ligenfelter and they cost about $300 Also the reason I had to swap the engine was the stupid AFM messed up and trashed my engine. I also put a new Melling high-volume oil pump on it while it was apart it has excellent oil pressure.

[@177SCmaro]

Btw, the terminator engine is so rare and expensive compared to the coyote it might as well be off the table in terms of this comparison. The "normal" 4.6 would have been a more apt comparison along the lines of comparing a LT to an LS.

[@jovansolomon9871]

Definitely a fair comparison. The 4.6 to the 5.0 definitely is close. Would love to see a 4g63 vs 4b11 comparison. Or even a Honda B-series to K-series.

[@olem.isaksen336]

hmm, im not sure at all, but isnt the B-series weaker and less capeble engines then the k? my car has a b, and if i were to get a new cam, turbo, time injection and exhaust, i could maybe get up to 250 hp, maybe 300 with a good tune.

[@jovansolomon9871]

@@olem.isaksen336 in a way you are correct. But just like the K-series Honda put the B-series in a lot of cars so the availability is there. Even outside of the US the B-series availability and aftermarket is there. You do have to spend a little more than you would a K-series but that's what makes the comparison that much more interesting

[@DaytonaRoadster]

the B/H to K would be interesting

[@albertsantosTP]

Bro the amount of research, video sequence and the delivery of all the information is 110/100 👌

[@AlternateRye]

Love the video! Just one thing, the gs300/ is300/ sc300 engine is the 2JZ-GE, not the GTE, which are very very similar, but not the exact same, with the GTE version having a few advantages over the GE, so the availability of the GTE is practically zero in my opinion.

[@Barra182]

Good video definitely want to see part 2 would like to see a bit more obscure engines like the eco boost and 5 cylinder engines

[@goaliepro1996]

I’m also interested in ecoboost

[@timprice8877]

I’m also interested in hearing a lot more about the Ecoboost & the 5 cylinder Volvo motor Focus ST use to have across the pond.

[@MitchMatrixx]

Honda...

[@danieljordan8932]

Agree

[@idontknow.1514]

@@MitchMatrixx there’s a lot of Honda engines so that prolly would take its own video lol

[@CrackhouseAmy]

Man, the Terminator vs Coyote is spot on. I've built and love both these engines.

[@anydaynow01]

What I love is a lot of companies are figuring this out and are remaking a lot of the old blocks like the RBs, LSs, B18, 4AGEs and more.

[@originalni_popisovac]

no u dont

[@nzwotb2525]

New 4age blocks?

[@JackDubya80]

Those are fully aftermarket blocks. Not the same. Gonna require machine work too.

[@barrettgt-r9692]

​@JackDubya80 Not at all in Nissans case. The Nissan Heritage program still makes brand new RB26 blocks (but not RB20/25)

[@mohammadsattar5488]

This guys knowledge on most topics relating to cars is really impressive. You can tell hes not just reading from some manual or didn't do his research but his information comes across smoothly and in point.

[@Enthusiastlist]

The B58 has forged aluminum pistons not hypereutectic. Also would love to see one of these “stock” 2JZs make 1000whp without touching the pistons or porting the heads.

[@Crusher103]

The B58 does not have forged pistons, the S58 does not the B58. The 2JZ will make 1000hp on its stock head and bottom end....like 3 times then it will let go lol. That is well documented, somebodies brother-sister-mother-cousin will come and say mine made 1000whp for 89 years probably there are a few of them that did but for the most part, nah. They were dyno queens with show off sheets that were detuned on the street. To consistently make over 1000whp it will have to be built, so yea you are right about the head performance. 600whp is much more comfortable for them for longevity stock block. A lot of the 90s Japanese motors could survive a ridiculous amount of hp, from the VG, RB, 6G72, 3S, and 4G63, among a few others because they were built to withstand the early 90s ECUs that were not exactly accurate lol, larger tolerances had to be built into them. Most of them could make 5-600whp on their stock heads&bottom ends.

[@UtterDisgrace]

though the one in the supra it took bmw 6 attempts to make the toyota engineers happy enough for their relability standards to use it

[@Enthusiastlist]

@@UtterDisgrace Toyota didn’t touch the B58. That’s a myth & has been disproven a million times.

[@DBGMLV]

I don't know about the B58, but I know the N55 had forged internals in the high performance car, meaning M235/M2 and so on, so I'd imagine it's similar for the B58.

[@Jrob992]

Idk it’s believable. Motive video has a well documented rb26 that made a hair under 1k on the stock bottom end for dozens of runs down the strip and beating on the street without issue. It’s well known the 2j is an overall stronger motor so I wouldn’t doubt it.

[@Isa1ahL33]

Back then, engines were actually built to last and then some. Now, they're just put together without a care in the world.

[@zhaoyangxie]

The 2jz-gte did not come in the IS300/Altezza. The Altezza had the NA ge subvariant. Also, similar to the various 2jz variants, the B58 also has multiple sub variants. The mk5 supra came in the B30C (2020) and B30O1 (2021+) variants.

[@Defury8285]

the GE was also not an na supra engine like people think. it has way worse rods and pistons

[@cj09beira]

@@Defury8285 also lacks oil squirters

[@MexicanBagpiper96]

This channel is a treasure to the car community and should be protected as such.

[@dan0_y]

This video is awesome. I'm doing an LT swap instead of an LS swap and let me tell you the aftermarket support is very minimal compared to the LS. Everything needs to be done some roundabout way from mounting and placement to fueling. Still worth it tho lol

[@jamesgeorge4874]

The Ignition system is shit. I would be getting a 24x reluctor for the crank, and run the 0411 PCM, with LS coils, or the Northstar coilpack/module setup.

[@dan0_y]

@@jamesgeorge4874 ill see about that when i get to actually tuning the motor

[@jamesgeorge4874]

@@dan0_y good luck finding a "good" Optispark distributor, lol, if you know.....

[@morpheousrx5590]

Excellent video sir. One thing not mentioned was something available today which was not available in the 90s early 2000s. CAD and AI. There was no available CAD computing and AI in the 90s and early 2000s to figure out the manufacturing strengths of rods, pistons, etc etc. So manufacturers had to over build engines. Now, computers can figure out quite accurately when a rod or piston will fail so as to give manufacturers the foresight to skimp on said parts.

[@teemuuusitalo7987]

You'd be surprised to know how long engineers used CAD

[@8bert9]

@@teemuuusitalo7987 Computer Aided Design was developed in 1957 and the parametric modeling CAD was developed in 1989.

[@ineedmymodfixed]

This channel is extremely under rated. Good takes with well written scripts and well researched. Don't stop, theres nowhere to go but up.

[@easydayez]

M50B25 Is the best BMW Engine idk why it isnt on the list.. More reliable than a 2JZ. Same tuning capabilities if not more. SAME STRENGTH. CHEAPER COSTS. and literally more readily available...

[@marinesole2]

Reliability and bmw dont go together, you are high on copium

[@Troy-McClure81]

Offenhauser motors are still one of the craziest motors I've ever seen to this day.Amazing how much power you can squeeze out of them and the reliability was and still is probably the best.

[@oler777]

Supra’s do not come with 1000 hp from the factory BMW engines can be tuned up to about 600 before the bottom end breaks, so what are you talking about? You are agent you are engines class old stuff in every possible way except nostalgia.

[@matiasfpm]

The 2jz can stand 1000hp with a few modifications.

[@ianvelarde8517]

@@matiasfpm you gotta build them , upgrade injectors, get a bigger turbo setup, get a better transmission, better fuel pumps, not even mentioning the numerous engine components that have to be beefed up. But ya a “few” mods 🤣

[@lennixsingh626]

2j's make 750hp with just cams and springs + bolt ons.

[@carter898]

@@lennixsingh626no they don’t at all lol

[@oler777]

⁠@@lennixsingh626 if by bolt on you mean your bolting on a set of new rods, pistons, valves, valve, springs, cams, fuel rail, injectors, intake and exhaust manifold, exhaust full3-4in, turbo charger, fuel pump, fuel hose diameter, on e85 or meth then yes your right. However if not your gonna get 20 runs in it at over 700whp and melt one of the crap cast pistons

[@notrashy7527]

Every time you post I immediately get some snacks and get ready to watch the video, your quality is unmatched and it genuinely is the best I’ve seen. Keep up the amazing work brother :)

[@mohammadsattar5488]

I think people's experience has to play a major factor into it as well seeing as people have a lot of experience tuning older engines and parts are readily available whereas newer engine upgrades are still in R&D stages for a lot of them and have not been stress tested as much as the older ones.

[@LevelUpLegends88]

This guys voice is the best!❤ I need him to narrate everything!!

[@tahjibulislam1807]

Man your video editing are amazing, explanation is amazing. Keep up the good work, This channel should have 1 Millions of subscriber in this year

[@brianmullins5957]

It’s a crime that the 2nd gen Lightning engine didn’t come with Manley connecting rods like it’s Terminator sibling.

[@madeulook5872]

It's also a crime that it's the plug spitting 5.4

[@Funkbass85]

Great video! I think engineering efficiency would’ve been a good metric to feature. For example, a lighter engine block loses initial durability but reduce the power to weight ratio, requiring less power to go fast. A lower power requirement translates into less strain on the motor overall improving reliability. However, as I write this out, I’m thinking maybe that might not have been necessary for your purposes haha

[@muscleman369]

Always a compromise to choose. I used to like aluminum blocks but iron is hard to beat in its price vs strength and reliability especially when you throwing alot of performance into it. If it was strictly a track car then all aluminum it is, because it's clocking times.

[@jamalkherry5296]

2jz is a literal boat anchor. That needs to be acknowledged.

[@jay_z3]

Your videos are next level bro. EVERY CAR CHANNEL on you tube can learn a thing or 2 from you. 💯

[@johntrott1872]

I love watching the engine moving forward ,,,,I’m still living with my 351 Cleveland old skool

[@padillaxA]

You're the man with this quality content! Your attention to detail is what sets you above. So many tenured channels get the facts wrong even though a simple search will yield most answers and details.

[@garyosborn3168]

A wildcard bonus point category with "Enthusiast sentiment/ following" would add an honest preference ranged balance to the score.

[@jay_z3]

I have the M54B30. Can't wait until I start piecing to together my turbo kit. This engine was made for boost. It's the closest engine to the B58, except its not turbocharged from the factory. But the block is an aluminum closed deck design with cast iron cylinder walls and oil squirters. It's the German 2JZ just without the twin turbos from the factory.

[@ThatOneCatNyx]

EXACTLY!!! So cool to see another enthusiast. I wish I had another 1500$ and I would get forged dished pistons to lower compression to 9.5. Make sure to secure your oil pump nut!

[@jay_z3]

@ThatOneCatNyx Yes Sirrr! I already got it. I just gotta put it on 🤣

[@MrBluePoochyena]

@@jay_z3 Meanwhile M50 are the loved ones where i live. Iron block and some other strength advantages over the M54's. Even M52's are loved. Mainly because M50 and M52's are super cheap to get

[@jay_z3]

@Tra1aW_PC Oh ok, I'm going to get the m50 intake upgrade tho. Plus I'm only gonna throw about 520 brake horsepower at it, nothing crazy. If I was going for 700 or 800 bhp, then I would opt for a M50 or M52. 😎

[@MrBluePoochyena]

@@jay_z3 Here the M50 and M52 are no brainers for RWD cars ;P (200-600€ engines) Then there's the Saab B204/B234's for around the same

[@thatcornfedrx8guy372]

Point and case: 13B Renesis best kept stock with minimal mods only for reliability, again only **reliabiltity**, the 13B-REW is strong as hell even as a turbo engine and then the pluses keep going from there. There’s some pluses to the Renesis but there’s a lot of variables to add.

[@xyjoshxy]

Can we all appreciate this man's video's? Your video's are a masterpiece brother. Keep up your work

[@rjhick1]

Honestly my eyes rolled when he gave the cost of the 2JZ so close to the B58 lol and he has made some other questionable statements but its just a video and this is just for fun so it really doesn't bother me All of that aside its overall a great video and just good content.

[@84gssteve]

I will agree with everything except the low score of the 2JZ in availability. If we are just talking GTE then yes, a 3 is appropriate since they were only ever available in one car here, and import GTE's are getting very costly. But, add in the tens of thousands of SC,GS and IS300's and you're talking about a $200 PicknPull visit all day, every day....I"d rank it a 6 minimum. Add some rods, pistons and ARP studs and you're making power.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

That or get a aristo with a 2jzgte which are at best 8-20k depending on the miles + condition.

[@BPBomber]

Dude, we gotta get you to 1M+ subscribers. This is such great content.

[@devinmoncyo3840]

I don’t know how this channel doesn’t haven a million subscribers yet. You are well on your way though. Great video like always.

[@177SCmaro]

I don't think older engines are "better", it's more older engines have been around longer and thus are generally better understood and more supported by the aftermarket. You have some really good engines both old and new but your options are likely to be fewer if the engine just came out.

[@pauls5745]

yup. there's a reason millions of rodders still prefer to work with SBC's even now

[@177SCmaro]

@@pauls5745 dollar for dollar sbc and bbc are really hard to beat but some of the late model stuff is really good too. You can slap a turbo on a LS or Coyote junkyard or crate engine and make a lot of power without even trying.

[@saadcarnerd]

No one talking about the fact that 3d animation was just *Chef's Kiss* 😙

[@jayanthbenito113]

Absolutely love how detailed you are in all your videos. Keep doing your thing.

[@tr3ynag4ta]

I wanted to see you factor in the older 426 big block Hemis vs the new and modern day Apache Hemis, also the Hellcats. Would've been nice, but I still enjoyed this video, goes to show old isn't always better, and the new generation of engine builders, and tuners, have opened the doors and paved the way to both innovative performance, AND racing excellence. The newer engines are a little cheaper to modify and tune compared to the older ones, everything is technological than to bolt on forced induction to squeeze power out of the engine blocks. It's incredible how simple intakes, and a little flash/ecu tune can make a BMW, or even a Nissan Z car run a LOT faster than from the factory assembly line. Cannot get enough of these videos! You do an amazing job EVERY time!!! You need a Grammy fr!!!

[@diegosilang4823]

It will be more interesting to compare the late 80's to mid 90's Windsor 5.0 EFI versus Coyote 5.0. The terminator V8 is only available on one model, a very expensive SVT Mustang. In contrast Windsor 5.0 EFI are used from Fox Body Mustang, Thunderbirds, Explorer (1994-2000), Lincolns, Econoline, F-Series and LTD Crown Vic. With a few bolt on modifications (without altering the short block), it could reach up to 400hp comparable to Coyote.

[@calvinmauney5669]

Yeah, Windsors can make 400hp, and stock bottom end can handle 700. But there are not great motors to Rev high, fuel economy. Coyotes are one of the best v8 ever

[@xXlegitx46Xx]

Id watch you over donut anyday, no filler no bs just knowledge. Great great job

[@x1000plusx]

i feel like, as simulation tools are more widely available, the manufacturers are able to save cost and weight by putting less safety margins. The older engines are built stronger as there are no easy way to test the reliability of engine outside of building one and run them to the ground. This is also compounded by the fact that knocking is more prevalent due to slower electronics , lack of sensors, and purely mechanical systems of controlling timing and AFR. As such they need to beef up the engine blocks to account for those.

[@traubengott9783]

Also because manufacturers ever more try to save weight in the engines cause cars have gotten much heavier and bigger. My 3l N53 weighs less than the old 2,5l M20 despite double the power.

[@benjaminwatson7868]

Today’s motors are literally the strongest they’ve ever been in every way that’s the one place they don’t cost cut

[@chrisleach7517]

Maybe another comparison should be made on how hard/easy they are to work on, taking into account the technology used, materials used etc

[@SquadMane]

I disagree with the oil pump gears on the coyote when it comes to boost. It comes down to bouncing off the limter. Regardless amazing video. Thank you.

[@zeuscasey]

100 agree, idiots bounce of the limiter and the o.p.g take a crap. Then you have guys that know what's up with 1000hp with stock o p.g and no issues at all.

[@arc00ta]

I've never had a Supra but I ran LS cars for a long time, and had a 99 and 03 Cobra, 10 GT and 17 GT with a supercharger. I'd take the terminator for fun any day even if its a little slower. That brutal feeling when you gas it is the best.

[@noonespecial9840]

I would love to see this done with light duty diesels. The new versions make some crazy numbers, but , are they better?

[@Bobis32]

honestly as a more recent enthusiast i've started looking at building my own blocks from scratch then buying one of these older engines as in the long term its going to be more cost effective

[@tayf85]

B58 is at 100lbs lighter than a 2JZ, so that settles it for me.

[@jacobfausnight1180]

That fact that you ranked the bmw at 6 and the 2jz at only 7 on reliability, tells me all I need to know about your ranking system

[@platano4924]

Please elaborate more I'm interested

[@somethingtough]

​@platano a fanboy who hasn't owned either car thinks BMWs break every 2k miles and Toyotas last 800k miles with 3 oil changes

[@jacobfausnight1180]

@@somethingtough it's hilarious what you think you know

[@platano4924]

@@somethingtough i think, he might not liked the ranking for the opposite reasons.. which is why I asked for more details, his post give me the feeling he knows that bmw engine is very reliable and didn't like the 6 it got...

[@rumbazumba3189]

Fours eyes' mustang is a thing of beauty glad you included it here even if it was for a short clip

[@outlaw_01]

337Speed is by far the undisputed, undeniable best source of information for anything motor/drivetrain related. Yet another top tier presentation

[@elzonthasim888]

this style of video has my heart. well done

[@redlightingwolf1985]

LS engine is most budget friendly engine swap any car and trucks and SUV with LS engine it doesn't matter it will fit car or truck or SUV my choice is doing LS swap , you forgot about the 5.7 hemi engine and 6.1 hemi, 6.4 Hemi , 5.7 Hemi and 6.4 Hemi is second best swap engine in the future.

[@TopiasSalakka]

Mercedes M104 is the best alternative to the 2JZ if one wants a strong straight-6. Used in a lot of Mercedes models around the world, so crazy plentiful, and really strong. Really cheap too, i've seen the 3.6L AMG version selling for a quarter of what a 2JZ sells for today.

[@Carstuff111]

I love this channel, and I absolutely dig the music and aesthetic. I also admit, I am just an old school engine junky. Even when newer engines can make more power, I still prefer the simplicity of many older engines. I respect what modern engines can do from the factory and with mods, but they also have far too many things that can go wrong.

[@skippy2987]

Newer engines come with newer design theory too, and you don't often get that leak down into aftermarket parts suppliers. Case in point: Inlet ports Newer engines (especially boosted ones) almost invariably sacrifice flow for charge motion. Look at the Mercedes M139 engine. It's got tiny valves, a projected plug, no squish, and inlet ports that literally block most of the short-side flow in exchange for maximizing tumble motion. It doesn't even have vvt on the inlet side. What it does do is take 30 psi on pump fuel and meet full emissions with a warranty (and behave nicely to boot). We could easily put all that into any aftermarket 4v head, but nobody does because the aftermarket is stuck on the "CFM + Octane + Boost" formula for power rather than actual development. I've only seen ONE enthusiast article refer to this, and it basically boiled down to "Honda* did it like this for dark magic pump fuel reasons, we're gonna fix it for E85 but wouldn't for gasoline" *Honda K20 turbo has a similar inlet port

[@sheneedsyrruup]

I really love late 90s-00s cars so much, thank you for this content ❤

[@angelgjr1999]

Id disagree on the availability rating on the 4.6 modular. Sure the 5.0 is newer, but the modular was around for decades and ford put it in everything. Also due to it being around for so long there’s tons of online forums showing you how to modify it to your needs. And parts are easily available.

[@ephenj]

Crazy how much it's changed just in the past 5 yrs.

[@wadeguidry6675]

The best motorhead KZbin channel by far!

[@cowthedestroyer]

i really like seeing really old engines getting turbochargers and stand alone ecus like on the slant 6 and pushing insane power because almost everything was overbuilt back then. The forged crank slant 6 for example used 440 big block main bearings and when given just forged pistons for the main internals can push 600hp and over 700 foot pounds on e85. In stock form it makes 125hp and almost 200 foot pounds. It just turns them into absolute beasts if you dont mind all the work involved and skipping a few meals.

[@deserteagles5911]

These are the type of videos that keep me on YT

[@ericfitzpatrick5319]

Ford's windsor series put out both muscle, and they were darn near bullet proof.

[@ibraheemmohamd7273]

I love the way you talk so passionately about engines I can't imagine an engine assembled under your guidance and knowledge

[@BabyUnicorns2000]

Proud owner of a 2jz gte for the last 8yrs its still the GOAT

[@kennedypuckettmusic2067]

You are an entering genius brother. It’s really impressive and I love learning from you.

[@kennedypuckettmusic2067]

Engineering*

[@paultice610]

I love the older Toyota stuff I was always so over built. I have a 2000 Toyota tundra with the 4.7 L V8 245,000 miles and it’s just now starting two seeping oil out the valve covers

[@Frankjp555]

As an A90 owner, I have strong bias towards the B58, but I will accept that as it stands, the tuning base is hindered by locked DME’s and lack of standalone support. It has the future potential to surpass the 2J by being better at making the power while having the street manners, but it just isn’t there yet. Fair score for each, and after some explaining, I agree.

[@hewlett260]

Honestly hard to believe there weren't any Hemi's in this comparison. 426 Hemi is a beast

[@lucasduck95]

Nice video, I think the b58 is the future for everyday motorsport enthusiast

[@DistantThunder89]

phenomenal video. I love the signature soundtrack.