LIZARD MOSES RETURNS! Slaanesh vs Lizardmen - Total War Warhammer 3

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[@JbMuz]

Burning Alignment is for sure one of those spells that just did not transition well to ultra unit size hp. I remember in WH2 it used to absolutely MELT shit if you hit with it.

[@tomatoesofdoom]

i dont think the size of the units translates to increased hp per unit

[@JbMuz]

@@tomatoesofdoom I wonder if they tuned the damage down going into game 3 then? All I know is it doesn't do shit in game 3 and back in game 2 it was very good when it hit things, I just assumed it was the hp changes.

[@fuchsmichael93]

It was kinda sad when it went fully through those Horsemen and didnt kill a single Model, they weren´t even full HP.

[@toxlequa]

Great to see Tehenhauin and well thought out lm build.

[@136iti]

@@JbMuzdefinitely a damage decrease. The unit size adds more model but each model still has the same hp so the health increase is the additional models.

[@emultra759]

130 armor (Tehenhauin's Stegadon mount in this case) affects AP units' damage more than one might think. Even at the Exalted Keeper of Secret's very high 3/4 AP proportion, the non-AP damage will be reduced by ~85% on average, for a total of 21.25% passive damage reduction. Not bad at 10K HP!

[@bidenonabender5903]

8:14 the fact that even the horsemen that got hit directly by the bean still survived is so sad, either they need to make it way bigger or raise the damage to really carve into a unit. burning alignement is just as much of a joke as the great invocation of Sotek in campaing! xD

[@fallenprince7591]

Yeah those horsemen were just chilling and working on their tan under that sunbeam

[@freakymoejoe2]

It didnt look like the beam even did any damage at all

[@cranederoc]

I remember wiping whole battle lines with the great invocation of Sotek tho, is it bad now?

[@Lothi66]

I like how the game's meta changes dynamically and unpredictably. Slaanesh was top at the beginning of the game, then dropped below average halfway through, and now it's experiencing a renaissance again.

[@ogge9296]

​@@animesuxxxx could also mean the playerbase discovers new comps and strats

[@williammitchell6254]

​@@animesuxxxxthe game is really complex, if they stopped updating the game the meta would still change.

[@Lothi66]

@@animesuxxxx Yeh, another whiner. Changing the meta is natural, Turin has mentioned many times that they are trying different combinations or counters. The game is so rich that many interesting moves have still not been discovered. For me this is a positive feature, because if the game were 100% predictable it would also be boring

[@Weberkooks]

@@Lothi66Another whiner lol. Yeah god forbid people call out CA for the incredible string of bs they have tried to pull. More like your another shill than anything. Nothing he said was extreme your just being shitty abt it cuz you completelly missed the point of this conversation.

[@housecatofwar8532]

I've like Tehenhauin vs Slaanesh since I discovered he could solo Sigvald back when SL was the top faction. Frenzy really improves his both his dueling and infantry clearing ability relative to Mazdamundi. The ward save also makes him the tankiest LL on the roster. A standard Slaan is still a better value engine for its cost, but Tehenhauin is the best when your priorities are to kill heavy infantry and not die.

[@ssale86]

A buff to burning alignment is definitely needed. Great to see the lizards finally win one!

[@Khorothis]

I never thought I'd ever say this but Lizard Moses carried this game, hard. Even if you had expected him to be so tanky, I don't think you could have won this, you would have needed a Shadow caster to deal with all that Saurus, so that you could isolate the Kroxigors without letting them eat your front line like they ended up doing.

[@Weberkooks]

even the shadow caster just dropping pit of shades its such an expensive spell I think people still think its great mostly because of the previous patches where it was busted

[@Khorothis]

@@WeberkooksI was thinking about Melkoth's and possibly Pendulum because, as you said, PoS is too expensive, especially against Lizardmen who can just put a bubble down and negate 20% of the damage.

[@andrewwilliams2014]

I love how turin always knows how to take an L like a dam boss. Sportsmanship is always top tier

[@alisevkisavk2748]

That map looks beautiful. CA needs to pay attention to these maps ASAP.

[@arcanepretender1112]

Recently played a campaign as Lizard Moses, very fun since the 4.2 patch. Skinks and crocos for days, so many cheap armies and skinks able to fight like tier 3 infantry. Plus I didn't know Tehenuin got to pick between a horned one, ripper or stego, you got a melee based spell caster on a monster, noice.

[@Fuzzylemonade222]

I never realized it but his followers he can equip from sacrifices are busted af. There’s one that takes a massive chunk off of construction cost faction wide and when you stack them on all your lords your economy is just busted

[@fcon2123]

Yeah, he's the go-to lord for Lizardmen campaigns. Good faction bonuses and mechanics. Also as a bonus he has one of the cooler paint schemes for his army.

[@Wanderer-nw2so]

And is he a FLC as well?

[@fcon2123]

@@Wanderer-nw2so Nope, gotta buy him from the Prophet and Warlock DLC. Definitely worth it since it comes with Ikit Claw, a very entertaining Skaven lord.

[@Grz349]

Personally I feel like the feasting on souls skill could work well if it charges when the enemy flees. Or if it’s a passive skill that increases its effect based on how long you spend with units fleeing. As it is healing while a wavering unit is nearby is pretty limited.

[@13g0man]

Its a skill thats best with low leadership factions. If you can set up a chain rout you can heal your unit while preventing them from rallying, then return and charge into the next fight.

[@will7466]

Everyone playing lizards now. Back then they didn't want me, now I'm hot they all on me. Lizard Mike Jones! Been team lizards since day one rocking Temple Guard through the tough times

[@keithmurray8278]

I need this thumbnail as a painting. Raptor Jesus contraposit Lizard Moses is art gallery worthy

[@somekindof2574]

Coming in the with the stone chair

[@Bans94]

Naturally, when I see Turin upload I watch the video. That's my style sir.

[@Kingiron37]

A lot of lizards lately, and i love it❤

[@shiggydiggy6847]

Like Turin said rampage does very little against lizardmen because unless they are bringing razordons or salamander hunting packs there is nothing squishy and valuable to rampage. They can also remove the rampage if it's not used on the lord. Also since bastiladons got the immune to flanking passive it means that it's virtually impossible for slaanesh to kill a rev crystal unless it's insanely isolated. Dunno what the lord choice would be here. It feels like the daemon lords can't duel any lizardman lord to death and they can't get their healing or mortis effects due to the leadership being so high. Lack of armor is also an issue against lizards since you get constantly pelted by javelins. Maybe just bring Sigvald to stand on point and get the chaos sorcerer to spam for lore passive or shadow caster so you could at least win the infantry fight.

[@havocgr1976]

Yap all your units are fast, no need for rampage.

[@Your_comment_is_good]

Great game! So good to see these two different strats

[@andrewnieves3417]

I wonder if a Redcrest and kroxigor frontline would have been effective against this lineup

[@MrSkillcap]

Honestly it could be interesting if they added rampaging as a condition for the "Feasting on fear" heal. Would add alot of synergy with the slaanesh spells. But i guess it could also be insanely overpowered.

[@Kosss2001]

2 back to back Lizardmen dubs?! Sweet

[@Skeleton-chan]

Playing a faction that can't heal vs one that can always feels like an uphill struggle for me. They can make so many mistakes and not get punished while I have to play perfectly just to match them.

[@virtuian1]

Learned a few things watching this

[@joshuamiller7502]

Ion cannon stegadon is a super weapon, i gotta wait like 4 minutes or something after making it before I can even shoot it and it doesnt even half-health an 800g warrior unit. Smh

[@jabool5605]

Lizard moses always delivers

[@redsalamander9999]

0:20 Come on man, Tehenhauin has a bigger following than that!

[@AlonbF9182]

Does slaneesh have halberd’s infantry?

[@majormoolah5056]

Turin the Slaanesh main... somewhere in the vasoline: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqWZaGVjrL6YosU

[@stevenbills2019]

lizard moses fan reporting for duty

[@Quadnt]

its a shame, that the keeper of secrets are completly useless.

[@julesdebeckker627]

Someone explain to me why Slaanesh has poison infantry and why whips of all weapons would have charge reflection? Their Chaos warriors and Chosen don't fit what I'd expect from this faction in the slightest lol

[@pyrotheimp]

Poison - 'the Serpent ensures their weapons are sharp to satisfy the cruel inventiveness of their twisted minds to toy with their victims before dispatching them. Devoted Marauders wield the Serpent's mutating gifts in the manner of swords and spears, as well as Hellscourges, living whips of pure torment blessed by the Dark Prince and laced with poison.' Charge Reflection - The hellscourges aren't just whips, they have hooks on the end of them to snare onto charging enemies and rip at them as they pass

[@KorsAir1987]

Yeah I don't understand that too. And why is their faction chaos warrior a defense specialist, aren't they supposed to be glass cannons? Their mark should remove remove some armor, in addition to all current effects.

[@baconeater5557]

Someone already gave you the lore explanation, but from a game design perspective the faction wants an anvil to hammer into. The army the designers were likely envisioning was a holding line of defensive hellscourge infantry pinning the enemies forces while daemonettes work the flanks and cavalry dominates the mobility game.

[@coops2788]

Their mobility got hit really hard by nerfs and isn’t great

[@Swampert919]

The poison mechanic in this game is an efficient way to represent the mind dulling effect slaneeshi units have on their victims with its various debuffs, while also being lore accurate as stuff like seekers have poisonous tongues in lore. And while the slaneesh chaos warriors and chosen are atypical for the faction they are chaos warriors, there’s a certain expectation of them being slow and tough linebacker units… they could have made them much squishier and faster for slaneesh but then they ain’t chaos warriors anymore. Plus it’s good to have a few unit that fall outside of the faction’s typical archetype so they function better as a whole, like how nurgle needs some units with mobility slaneesh needs some units that can hold the line.

[@kirillladoshin1307]

ED seems to be overpowered. They shred most elite infantry in their price category by a large margin ( even bvi elites such TG GW and Harganeth Executioners , also beat alot of monstrous infantry and have huge speed, abilities to flank an damage increase,also can debuf several units in combat.

[@JarmamStuff]

They get slaughtered by missiles and cavalry charges. They are what Witch Elves wish they could be. Executioners are just too weak in general

[@kirillladoshin1307]

@@JarmamStuff I can say same things about all non shilded and non halberd infantry and so why ED hardly underpriced? DE Elite witches aren't that owerpowered. And don't have such flank/debuff capabilities

[@Sha_Bingus]

I never understand the obsession with skirmish cav Turin. They just seem to do sweet FA most of the time, always getting mid value over the course of a game but nothing ever decisive enough that seems worthwhile. You might have won that game if you had binned off the skirmish cav, got more cheap marauder spears for cap weight and to gum up kroxigors, then spammed the slaanesh lore passive like you said with spells like Lash to clear off the skink poking.

[@BlueEyedDingus]

Let’s gooooo

[@goddagogeddagabbagool]

Is it just me, or was your Keeper just doing the big unit thing and spinning in circles attacking nothing for 10-15 seconds at a time. I feel like half the reason you lost was one of your most important units just eating damage while staring around.

[@AceGojo97]

first

[@jaketiffany2670]

play more dune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DustKingArchives]

2 factions I just don’t care about.

[@JordanI135]

Tehenhauin is my fave lizardman character. @_@