Turn DAS into NAS with a Raspberry Pi 5 and OpenMediaVault

[@Romanchelli-ci9on]

I’m glad you covered this, using DAS is so much better with a Pi, too many people cover using nvme hats and expensive storage with speeds that’s aren’t required for home use… especially if it’s a simple media server

[@r0galik]

I've been doing this (TerraMaster D5 with RAID5) with Rpi 4 for 2 years, the performance is very nice and it's quite stable.

[@Gabo99]

How is the ethernet transfer speed?

[@r0galik]

​@@Gabo99 with sequential it's maxed out gigabit (100 MB/s), small files are maybe 50-70% of this. NFS slightly more performant than Samba

[@r0galik]

When I had the pi running at 1.5 GHz (now it defaults to 1.8) the transfer speed was maybe 80% of this.

[@Gabo99]

@@r0galik Thanks, can't wait to try it. I bought a DAS that doesn't have a raid configuration in it, so I will be using pi 5 with OMV, my initial thought is the Pi 5 will struggle with it, now its clear to me. Thank you!!!

[@thesaigoneer]

Thnx Gary, very useful. Just added my DAS to my OrangePi, working great, the tutorial was very useful. And fun!

[@GaryExplains]

Glad it helped!

[@mintypockets8261]

how did you connect DAS to PI - usb-c or usb-c with adapter?

[@thesaigoneer]

@@mintypockets8261 USB-c with adapter

[@superangrybrit]

OMV is good stuff. I find NAS's fun to tinker. More complex than a DAS but way more flexible. Good video! 👍

[@Hostirad]

Some portions of the video went by rather quickly, so I had to pause, rewind, and replay a number of times. I also lost contact with the pi after trying to assign a fixed IP address to it, which required my learning about omv-firstaid. But in the end, everything worked like a charm.

[@sneekylinux]

Been using omv for quite somtime and is quite stable, the only time it want to puke up is when you add some extras that it does not like all depending on the Pi

[@kev2020-z9s]

You could use a powered USB 3.2 hub to power the 2.5 hard drives rather than rely on the power supply powering the PI.

[@GaryExplains]

True.

[@John.0z]

That is how I run my Pi4 "server". For occasional file access it is a good system. I first used a Pi2 for this, and now use the Pi4/8G + 2 1TB USB drives running as RAID 1. Using RAID 1 over USB is not ideal, but I have found it to work very well indeed.

[@Dave102693]

I want to see if an old nasty can be upgraded to be used today

[@Zanzubaa]

I bet there are some clever uses for the pi GPIO and the scheduler in OMV.

[@Gabo99]

After setting the raid to the omv, if we plug the das to different device, let's say windows, will it be visible as one drive?

[@RockyRacoon-lw3yd]

Can the hard disks be setup to power down if not used for x minutes?

[@GaryExplains]

Yes, OMV has controls for that built-in.

[@Sprinkles-r5y]

You can also buy DAS with that built in like the orico range.

[@Sprinkles-r5y]

Did you leave it booting from the SD card or is this running from the SSD? I have just bought a pironman for my pi4 and it has an M2 hat which I was thinking of using to run my docker containers from. I haven't played with it yet too see if this is a feasible idea. I'm going to be attaching my orico DAS to it.

[@pkerry12]

How fast is it?

[@revand8011]

Does OpenMediaVault has the option to acces your shared drives remotly (from another network)?

[@Sprinkles-r5y]

Yes, the way I would recommend would be using VPN rather than opening ports which is needed when using another method.

[@Hostirad]

Well, perhaps I spoke a little too soon. Although it seems that I set up a shared folder, when I try to copy files to it, I get a message, "You need permission to perform this action." I thought the folder was automatically set up with read/write permissions for everyone, but apparently that is not the case. I've now spent hours reading posts on how to gain access to the share I created, with no solution yet.

[@TWKPixelHero]

when I used my NTFS formatted drive, it worked without adjustment based on this video. When I used an ext4 drive, I ran into what you described. Windows could see the drive, but any write attempt failed. However, if you go under Storage->Shared Folders, you can see all of the shares you created, per the video. Select the share giving you trouble, then in the toolbar select Permissions. Then give your user Read/Write permission. Apply the changes. Test. If it doesn't work yet, these same permissions are also available under the "Access Control Lists" (right next to the button for Permissions) and I noticed they weren't set there even after setting them in Permissions. Adjusting one or both of these fixed it for me after I did an Apply.

[@Hostirad]

@@TWKPixelHero Thank you for responding. I did eventually figure this out. And then, after an OpenMediaVault update, I lost contact with the shared drive and had to figure out how to connect again. Showing rare intelligence, I wrote down exactly what I did this time. It may come in useful because I am once again currently updating OpenMediaVault.

[@mintypockets8261]

How did you connect the NAS to the PI? USB-C?

[@GaryExplains]

Via USB, yes. USB-A on Pi to USB-C on DAS. The right cable cable with the DAS, see my review video.

[@dafyddrees2287]

This is Gary. Let him explain. 👉🧔‍♂️👈

[@javiersoto9050]

I have a problem, when I put the network data and save and confirm the data, it doesn't load the IP and it doesn't let me use the CDM commands. It is as if for some reason the Raspi is disconnected, does anyone know a solution?

[@GaryExplains]

Does it work with DHCP?

[@javiersoto9050]

@@GaryExplains Hiii, I just tried it and I keep getting the same error: "Software Failure. Press left mouse button to continue. The server is unavailable to handle this request right now." I was installing OMV7 with a Raspi5 to link it with Plex but whenever I set up the network entries in Estatica I get that error when saving. You mean leave everything as is and leave it in DHCP? By the way, do you think it is useful to leave in DHCP, connect a hard disk to share it and establish a connection with Plex?

[@GaryExplains]

Using a static IP address is probably better. I was asking if it worked in DHCP to make sure that the default configuration was OK and that in general the networking was functioning. Did you configure your DHCP server to have a range where it doesn't serve addresses so they don't clash with your static ones?

[@FlandersKen]

No one: Raspberry Pi: look what i can do

[@jamesowens7148]

I replaced RPI4 with Wyse 5070 because USB speeds on PI are crap.

[@harleyn3089]

The Raspberry Pi 5 is way better than the Pi 4. It has a dedicated chip for I/O.

[@jamesowens7148]

@@harleyn3089 5070 has passive cooling, is cheaper and still destroys the PI

[@harleyn3089]

@@jamesowens7148 The Raspberry Pi 5 is faster than a J4105, if that's what's in the Wyse. It's roughly equivalent in IPC to 4th gen desktop chips.

[@An.Individual]

USB3 is faster than 1GB ethernet so USB is not the bottleneck

[@An.Individual]

Also RPI has much better support

[@gsestream]

primary reason for nas instead local is to off-load data as primary data storage, so the data is not vulnerable to local computer issues, say re-install or malicious installed software. yep primary data storage off-load. but not backup, thats optical tape etc. thumb drives. usb 3.2 can be 10gbps or 20gbps. so 10gbps network would be quite optimal. 1gbps and 2.5gbps is fine enough.

[@GaryExplains]

While that is a reason for using NAS (I guess), it isn't the primary reason. You can use DAS for storage and the data is not vulnerable re-installs. However it is incorrect to say that NAS is not vulnerable to malicious installed software.

[@gsestream]

@@GaryExplains yeah I only moved to NAS from DAS because it was getting cumbersome to be always plugging in the USB thumb drives. I still backup stuff to DAS also but daily ops are on the NAS or potato pc NAS. emphasis on immediately off-loading all data to the NAS, instead of keeping it in the operation pc. emphasis on the increased volatility on the ops computer. I did not use correct wording.

[@majicdude88]

If your nas drives are mapped within your OS, your data isn’t necessarily safe anymore.

[@gsestream]

@@majicdude88 no i use it over sftp client, its secure, main point its off the ops pc, away from direct threats

[@frankwong9486]

Most slowness of Nas solution annoyed me is higher access time compared to local SSD Transfer speed 2.5G is kinda ok for me 😅

[@tommythetoe]

Why not use a mini pc instead. For about $130 dollars you can get one with a N100 8gb ram and 128 to 256 GB storage. You can just wipe the windows 11 that comes with it. If you don't already have a raspberry pi that is. With the cost of the pi plus micro SD card and a USB C power supply with enough power at 5 volts and a HDMI adapter its not that much more for a mini pc. Great video

[@keithmiller9665]

Totally agree I have dumped Pis for n100 CPU, which has the benefit of QuickSync including AV1 hardware decoding.

[@GaryExplains]

Do PCs with N100 CPUs have GPIO pins, SPI, i2c, etc?

[@zeendrom]

What will you use the gpios in a nas?

[@danielpicassomunoz2752]

​@@GaryExplains not used in a NAS. I'd say those aren't designed to run 24/7