Turner Semiauto SMLE Conversion

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Russell Turner was a Pennsylvania gunsmith and inventor who developed this semiautomatic conversion of an SMLE bolt action rifle circa 1940. It was intended for trial and potential sale to the Canadian military, as it would allow them to retrofit existing rifles into semiautomatic configuration and still use existing supplies of .303 British ammunition. Rather than try to devise a reliable system to rotate the original Enfield bolt, Turner replaced the bolt entirely, using instead a side-tilting design much like what he used in his M1 Carbine trials rifle for the US military. This was coupled with a long stroke gas piston and a hammer firing trigger mechanism.
Reportedly the rifle was tested by Canadian authorities, and performed quite well, with the adjustable gas system allowing it to function reliably even in temperatures of 25 below zero (where the Garand, tested alongside, experienced problems). However, Turner’s rifle was deemed to complex for military adoption.
That decision against the rifle was probably the right one for Canada, although Turner’s conversion is one of the better semi auto bolt acton conversions I have handled. It was remarkably non-awkward - that may not sound like much to crow about, but it sets a pretty high standard for this type of rifle.
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@GaryHamad
@GaryHamad 5 жыл бұрын
Almost Unknown Battlefield be like "NOT ON MY WATCH!"
@My_name_Jeff155
@My_name_Jeff155 4 жыл бұрын
Gary Hamad is it in bfv?
@jasonacosta8084
@jasonacosta8084 4 жыл бұрын
Zack Davison yes and fairly good
@chazhartwayne6493
@chazhartwayne6493 4 жыл бұрын
@Zachary Peterson Its okay. Pretty fun at times.
@maxpayneful4328
@maxpayneful4328 4 жыл бұрын
Literally the best Semi auto rifle. I love the M1 Garand but the clips too small, this baby can hold up to 20 rounds if you get the extended clip.
@maxpayneful4328
@maxpayneful4328 4 жыл бұрын
@Zachary Peterson LOL bandwagoning at its finest BF5 is fine I don't know why people hate it.
@Z45HR4
@Z45HR4 6 жыл бұрын
Every time Ian talks about complex guns, I just have flashbacks to the AN-94.
@anthonyhayes1267
@anthonyhayes1267 4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the Slavic Rocket Surgery
@girishmahajan3646
@girishmahajan3646 3 жыл бұрын
Think of British world war 2 sub machine guns to calm down then.
@Thaddeus2007
@Thaddeus2007 3 жыл бұрын
@ That is my new favorite quote.
@BigWheel.
@BigWheel. 2 жыл бұрын
Hk G11 would like to step into the ring.
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy Жыл бұрын
I will always remember how part of the disassembly procedure involved banging it on a table.
@Moondog66602
@Moondog66602 7 жыл бұрын
I find it ironic a Canadian designed the garand for the us, and an american designed this for them.
@hwl308
@hwl308 5 жыл бұрын
I didnt know that John Garand was a Canadian! Damn
@russbilzing5348
@russbilzing5348 5 жыл бұрын
Much in the same way that the primer used by American ammo suppliers was invented by an Englishman and the Berdan primer was invented by an American...all together now, "Haaands Across The Waters..."
@evancoveney6268
@evancoveney6268 4 жыл бұрын
@@hwl308 Canadian-American technically. He was a citizen.
@jayfelsberg1931
@jayfelsberg1931 4 жыл бұрын
WE got the best of the deal
@HighlandFoxx
@HighlandFoxx 4 жыл бұрын
@@russbilzing5348 Haha that song reference!
@HeavyTanker-vx4oq
@HeavyTanker-vx4oq 3 жыл бұрын
I would legitimately pay money for some one to make me a replica of one of these that functions. Hell I'd let them cut up a SMLE to make it, just love the way this looks, operates, and it being in 303, makes it odd.
@scootergrant8683
@scootergrant8683 10 ай бұрын
Seems 113 other people agree with you.
@bensigl3766
@bensigl3766 7 ай бұрын
I'm with you. I think these are actually incredibly cool
@Darthdoodoo
@Darthdoodoo 7 ай бұрын
Get on it bro u know people will buy it just find a way to buy old parts and make a newly manufactured version of this
@matthewjames4334
@matthewjames4334 4 ай бұрын
Drill purpose rifles would be a good place to source most of the parts.
@charlescurtius2261
@charlescurtius2261 7 жыл бұрын
thats still about the slickest bolt conversion ive seen so far.
@phileas007
@phileas007 7 жыл бұрын
I'll never understand what defines a conversion. I mean this thing has practically nothing shared with a SMLE
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 7 жыл бұрын
phileas007 except several things, magazine at least
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 7 жыл бұрын
Some, *some*, of the single shot to bolt action conversions were worth it
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
@@phileas007 It was CONVERTED, Thus it's a conversion.
@aborted4196
@aborted4196 3 жыл бұрын
@@phileas007 it was converted from hence it's a conversion
@warphammer
@warphammer 5 жыл бұрын
Taking a second look at this, I thought of something: The bolt controls, safety and other parts look very glove-friendly compared to a lot of things in that day. That had to intrigue the Canadians as well.
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 4 жыл бұрын
You got that right.
@spartans-4196
@spartans-4196 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, simplicity has its own value. I'm sure we looked at it, but I do understand why we went the other way on that. Complexity is often not a great feature when field-stripping a rifle is needed.
@anthonywilliams379
@anthonywilliams379 7 жыл бұрын
It's a shame the Canadians didn't take into account the greater reliability and give him chance to design a more soldier friendly design in regards to maintenance
@TheAlexagius
@TheAlexagius 7 жыл бұрын
Is it though? I mean I imagine it was good for the war effort for commonwealth forces to use similar guns. Perhaps if it had come earlier and was better (and the UK had been enthusiastic) then maybe it would have been worth it.
@mrmojorisin9729
@mrmojorisin9729 7 жыл бұрын
Anthony Williams The Canadian Rangers still use the No.4 mk2 as a main service rifle
@anthonywilliams379
@anthonywilliams379 7 жыл бұрын
+Mr MoJo Risin I'd heard they went out of service there last year
@mrmojorisin9729
@mrmojorisin9729 7 жыл бұрын
+Anthony Williams to be "phased" out by correct 2015 but most rather wood and iron in -40 then polymer, they have the option but rather somthing reliable
@stevestruthers6180
@stevestruthers6180 7 жыл бұрын
They did get taken out of service and are being replaced by a version of Sako's T3 CTR rifle. More info can be found here: www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/06/25/replacement-selected-for-canadian-rangers-lee-enfield-rifles/
@DeadBaron
@DeadBaron 7 жыл бұрын
That's aweso- "estimated price $10,000 - $20,000" aaaand nevermind :(
@Ki113r210
@Ki113r210 7 жыл бұрын
really not bad for a one of a kind prototype.
@bookkeeper1995
@bookkeeper1995 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe.....
@ge0arc244
@ge0arc244 6 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha what a good imitation of a poor person, 10 to 20 k is barely walking around money hahaha!!!
@MarikHavair
@MarikHavair 6 жыл бұрын
I don't care how wealthy you are, if you walk around with that kind of cash you're a fool. I gather it was probably a joke..
@m.m14433
@m.m14433 5 жыл бұрын
Rarity bro
@christopherwang4392
@christopherwang4392 5 жыл бұрын
5:10 to 6:05 If the Canadian, British, and Commonwealth armies had adopted theTurner conversion, it is likely the rear knob sight would have been replaced with a flip-up rear aperture sight similar to the ones used on the Mk.5 and No.4 Lee-Enfields.
@kruqtion9615
@kruqtion9615 7 жыл бұрын
you cant deny that any form or type of lee enfield is just awesome
@baker90338
@baker90338 6 жыл бұрын
Except an obrez
@Demospammer9987
@Demospammer9987 5 жыл бұрын
Except a broken Enfield
@Demospammer9987
@Demospammer9987 5 жыл бұрын
@@baker90338 that was the Mosin
@paulnathanmullock6214
@paulnathanmullock6214 5 жыл бұрын
@SapidSalamander as cool as the Obrez is, yeah I would never do that to my Lee Enfield.
@sawyernorthrop4078
@sawyernorthrop4078 4 жыл бұрын
*R I M L O C K*
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 7 жыл бұрын
I am simple semi-auto enthusiast. I see semi-auto conversion, I click like.
@damiangrouse4564
@damiangrouse4564 7 жыл бұрын
TheGoldenCaulk 👍
@robertpatter5509
@robertpatter5509 2 жыл бұрын
With eyes like yours I bet you see everything
@SitInTheShayd
@SitInTheShayd 6 жыл бұрын
-25 “extremely cold” *laughs in Canadian*
@firestorm165
@firestorm165 4 жыл бұрын
Depends on wether he means Celsius or Fahrenheit
@tritowns
@tritowns 4 жыл бұрын
@@firestorm165 doesn't matter... I see -40 fairly regularly...
@allenjenkins7947
@allenjenkins7947 4 жыл бұрын
@@tritowns Just as an aside, -40 is the same on both scales. Here's me in the depths of an Australian winter thinking that +13C is bloody freezing!
@GeFeldz
@GeFeldz 3 жыл бұрын
@@allenjenkins7947 That's the thing, 13C is freezing cold compared to 25, 30 or 35 C. I live in the land of great contrast, which is northern Sweden. Summers are kind of short, but still end of june-end of august is usually nice and warm. There are usually a few days, sometimes a few weeks, of entire day-night cycles when it's between 20C and 40C or at least never colder than 15-18C even in the middle of the night... Because the sun barely goes down. 40C in the shade is rare, but i can't remember a summer when it hasn't been above 30C in the shade and mostly the temp is above 20C in the shade daytime all summer. Winter is almost the opposite. End of december-early march it can get real cold. Usually there are at least a couple of days when it gets to -35C or below, but -10 to -25 is regularly what it's like, with occasional warmness of -10 to +5, mostly in march. End of march to beginning of may is what we call "spring-winter", this is the time for really enjoying snowmobiles, skiing, snowboarding etc. The temp is usually above -10C in the air, although the further into april and even into may you get, the warmer it gets in the sun! The snow is slowly melting for most of the end of march and through april in the daytime sun. It can be cold and snowy, but when the sun's out it's like 5-10-15-20 C in the sun and life is just beautiful on a snowmobile or cooking by a fire or just carving up a mountain. As long as it gets below 0 at night, you can enjoy winter activities, but at the end of april-beginning of may it's usually above freezing at night and so the snow and ice just go away in a couple of weeks. Thing is, in the fall/autumn +10 can feel quite cold, especially because it's damp and the sunlight diminishes every day. In the spring, when you're used to the cold winter, +10 usually invokes me to go back to t-shirt and jeans, especially on a sunny day!
@spartans-4196
@spartans-4196 3 жыл бұрын
@Allen Jenkins I wear t-shirts at that weather. A light jacket is fine up until it hits -25° or more, then gloves and a thicker coat are necessary to avoid frostbite. That being said, you're probably more used to hot weather than I am. I can't stand anything over 35°. A side note, a girl was being rather dumb in the next town over last tear and didn't wear gloves when she was walking outside in -40°. She had to get several fingers amputated. She was only outside for under ten minutes. So yeah. Wear gloves if its below -25 or -30, if you like your fingers.
@GrizzAxxemann
@GrizzAxxemann 7 жыл бұрын
Canada was using Yards back then. We didn't switch to metric until the late 70s
@joezzzify
@joezzzify 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting since Britain itself uses a mixture of both because of indecision. The schools teach metric and all the road signs are in imperial units. People weigh themselves in kg and use feet and inches for height, miles instead of km and either yards or metres depending on their mood. Its confusing.
@GrizzAxxemann
@GrizzAxxemann 7 жыл бұрын
joezzzify From Confederation until about 1970-71, Canada was on the Imperial system. England started the swap in 1965. Despite being born after Canada went metric, I learned both systems, and still do the bulk of my ballistic calculations in MOA, Yards, Inches and feet per second.
@Coxy002605
@Coxy002605 7 жыл бұрын
People weigh themselves in stone, not kilograms.
@troyp467
@troyp467 7 жыл бұрын
i was sure we didnt use metric back then. good to see i was right. everything firearms related we use imperial and really the only metric unit i use is speed on the road. even distance is miles since road allowance is by the mile
@GrizzAxxemann
@GrizzAxxemann 7 жыл бұрын
***** You'd be surprised how many CAN'T,
@desroin
@desroin 7 жыл бұрын
All of these semi-auto conversions have a weird, wonky yet for whatever reason appealing look to me :D
@damiangrouse4564
@damiangrouse4564 7 жыл бұрын
DesRoin That's my problem too, alas, finances do not permit acquisition 🍻
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 4 жыл бұрын
And the more Heath Robinson they are, the more they appeal! No idea why... maybe its the Steampunk in all of us lol
@marktube6382
@marktube6382 2 жыл бұрын
Wonky weapons are sexy 🥰
@AL-Doody
@AL-Doody 2 жыл бұрын
This is by far the coolest looking rifle I’ve ever seen, it’s got such a wwII look, the wood with all the metal joined together, from Great War wooden gun technology to 40s machine gun metal, all the barrel cooling holes look nice and sleek, the magazine is slick and angular and there is so much I love about this
@theclonewhopunchedadroid7501
@theclonewhopunchedadroid7501 5 жыл бұрын
The fact that he helped with battlefield 1 and battlefield v makes this guy even more awesome
@siestatime4638
@siestatime4638 7 жыл бұрын
Canada didn't start converting to the metric system until the 1970s, so that elevation adjustment should be in yards.
@damiangrouse4564
@damiangrouse4564 7 жыл бұрын
Siesta Time I was thinking the same🍻
@chiphailstone589
@chiphailstone589 5 жыл бұрын
Both the Canadian and US army's have been Metric for a long time.
@stevethomas5849
@stevethomas5849 4 жыл бұрын
Canada went metric in the mid 70s. The rifle would of use Yards for it's sights.
@arcticcitizen4197
@arcticcitizen4197 7 жыл бұрын
Ian you really are a universe of weapon history & knowledge, I really really am amazed how many details you know of every rifle, pistol or any other weapon you showing. The more your videos I watch the more hunger I get of understanding of everything you showing on the KZbin. I honestly thank you for your videos.
@JohnyG29
@JohnyG29 7 жыл бұрын
I believe the Canadians, like the rest of the Commonwealth/Empire, were still using Imperial measurements during WWII. So the scale on the sights would be in yards.
@chickenman1801
@chickenman1801 4 жыл бұрын
He should know this from the Canadian fal episode.
@tannertempleton3404
@tannertempleton3404 9 ай бұрын
​@@chickenman1801the FAL came well after WW2 for Canada. Metric conversion was also well after WW2.
@infin1ty850
@infin1ty850 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the coolest semiauto conversions I've ever seen. I would love to get hands on this rifle.
@SibbTigre
@SibbTigre 7 жыл бұрын
Results of watching this video: I want to collect Lee Enfields even more. Even conversions. I need to consider moving to the US.
@AnimeSunglasses
@AnimeSunglasses 7 жыл бұрын
It's beautiful. It's one of the most steampunk guns I've ever seen. I need one.
@SmolPotatowo
@SmolPotatowo 7 жыл бұрын
I really love the look of this rifle, the holes in the front of the stock around the gas system, the blocky receiver, and that big dial to adjust the sights give it a really neat look. If only it wasn't so damn expensive :^)
@Chaosrain112
@Chaosrain112 7 жыл бұрын
The conversion kit gives it a very high-tech look, especially on the front end with the gas piston. It looks really cool.
@lptomtom
@lptomtom 7 жыл бұрын
This is one of the coolest rifles you've ever featured. Great video!
@randomguy9898
@randomguy9898 7 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love all these types of conversions. Looks awesome and incredibly interesting
@Thesamjam5
@Thesamjam5 3 жыл бұрын
WOuld 've been an amazing thing had it not been a pain to disassemble but I'd give it a solid 9/10 for it.
@alexrennison8070
@alexrennison8070 7 жыл бұрын
I love the format, Ian. Absolutely enchanting!
@tansit2344
@tansit2344 7 жыл бұрын
Kind of cool to see the file marks and welding. I can imagine the guy busting his butt in his shop for a concept he is really into.
@walklej
@walklej 2 жыл бұрын
A while ago when watching your excellent presentation of the Charlton semi automatic conversion, I thought "the bolt has to be replaced " and here you go!! Thank you for a superb channel.
@CrafterOfSwords
@CrafterOfSwords 5 жыл бұрын
Saw this in BFV, loved it!
@gw5436
@gw5436 5 жыл бұрын
Great comprehensive video Ian, thank you for your work. Fascinating. 😊
@cthompson3721
@cthompson3721 7 жыл бұрын
I have a belief that in the design process you begin with a very simple concept. You work through each facet of the design one at a time no matter how complex it gets. Than once you have realized the end result you go back through and design the complexity out of the machine. Judging from some of your other videos I am starting to believe that there just was not a good way to convert a bolt action to a semi-auto. Its amazing how these are so much more complex than either a bolt action or a semi-auto. Very cool, I really appreciate your videos.
@tomlol637
@tomlol637 3 жыл бұрын
I've been watching your videos for 8 months now and I'm not even halfway thru. FW and in range are definitely my favorite on youtube.
@GWRProductions-kg9pt
@GWRProductions-kg9pt 7 жыл бұрын
14:00 British & Commonwealth riflemen & marksmen/sharpshooters were issued a spare mag or *two & they were mainly there as a backup if the spring for the current mag in use fails *(second spare is usually a stolen one from the QM)
@ErnestoPresso
@ErnestoPresso 7 жыл бұрын
This gun look dope AF
@Psiberzerker
@Psiberzerker 3 жыл бұрын
The hand fitting on this had to be a nightmare. Also, little did they know they were making a gun that Ian McCollum can't take apart with a biro.
@TheOriginalLiao
@TheOriginalLiao 7 жыл бұрын
This is one of the coolest things I've seen on this channel
@hardyakka6200
@hardyakka6200 7 жыл бұрын
`The first semi auto SMLE was designed by Ion Idress during WWI while he was fighting with the Australian Light Horse in the holy land. They used railway fish plates for the metal. He got to demonstrate in front of the army heads and it worked very well and they were impressed by it, but by this time they were getting more Lewis guns so converting rifles wasn't needed. WWII saw the NZ (whose workshop was used for the manufactory) Came up with the same design but called Chambers patent I think.
@Toolness1
@Toolness1 7 жыл бұрын
I would quit my job tomorrow and be a gunsmith if I could. I love working on guns and to have the knowledge and talent to make stuff like this would be amazing. I would probably never leave my shop. The time and machine work that went into this is very, very impressive if you've ever done any kind of tinkering making gun parts. It ain't pretty, but it was a prototype and only needed to function.
@The42Petes
@The42Petes 5 жыл бұрын
cool rifle and great video . It appears that the bolt was in battery ,sliding the bolt to the notch in the side plate and and depressing the hold open device, may have allowed you to disassemble the rifle completely. This is one of the coolest ancient semi autos i must say. Thank you for your time in bringing us along .
@Zer0SumGame
@Zer0SumGame 7 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the Canadian government is only now replacing the Lee Enfield No. 4 rifles we were issuing to the Canadian Rangers basically since '41. We finally started running out of replacement parts. We're now issuing the Rangers with Colt C-19s, which is actually just a Finnish SAKO rifle that Colt Canada licensed. Though, if you need a cold-weather rifle, the Finns are probably your best bet.
@KalleKilponen
@KalleKilponen 7 жыл бұрын
A licensed version of the Tikka T-3 to be more exact.
@munched55
@munched55 7 жыл бұрын
Just a note if it wasn't mentioned already, but Canada didn't adopt metric until the mid 1960's so the sight would still be graduated in yards at the time this semi-auto was developed.
@genericfakename8197
@genericfakename8197 7 жыл бұрын
It's like a Garand, and an Enfield, and a baby that was raised by a horrifying mad scientist.
@twirlyturd4364
@twirlyturd4364 7 жыл бұрын
such a beautiful gun, always wondered about a semi auto bolt action and its functionality
@mikeblair2594
@mikeblair2594 7 жыл бұрын
the trigger group is really interesting. when i look at it, it reminds me of a single set trigger from the mid nineteenth century at the very end of flint and the beginning of percussion era's.i would like very much to get a good look at that.oh well.thanx Ian,you've taught me a lot about modern firearms which of course,are the descendants of the flintlock firearms that i like to build.
@cartridgegram
@cartridgegram 7 жыл бұрын
I love Lee Enfield rifles, but I never knew this existed! Thanks for sharing Ian!
@aliacoms6014
@aliacoms6014 2 жыл бұрын
Love the welding on the gas piston
@iwillnotcomply2002
@iwillnotcomply2002 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant
@kbjerke
@kbjerke 4 жыл бұрын
At 5:26 - Canadians measured in yards back then. Converted to meters (or metres) in 1970. I still shoot in yards. Also, my truck gets 45 furlongs to the hogshead, and that's the way I likes it. LOL! Reply
@brettharrison8280
@brettharrison8280 Жыл бұрын
Marvellous! Small correction: range would be calibrated in yards. Canada did not go metric until 1975.
@gunnarhassing5875
@gunnarhassing5875 5 жыл бұрын
That is a cool system! I love the out of battery safety. Clever stuff
@tomleigh1771
@tomleigh1771 4 жыл бұрын
Side panel removal is done by sliding the bolt back at the same time, the notch fits after half inch ish of travel then slides back together.
@adriankingston4338
@adriankingston4338 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite rifles are the lees and this one is the Frankenstein i had to whatch this a couple times i just found it so fascinating the engineering in this rifle is awesome!!! Love it !
@_yellow
@_yellow 7 жыл бұрын
6:13 ''A pain in the butt to get back in'' Oh behave!
@butcherbaylee
@butcherbaylee Жыл бұрын
These bolt action rifle conversions to semi-auto are so fascinating mechanical-wise.
@eddiespencer1
@eddiespencer1 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like the sideplate it jamming against the bolt-release mechanism on the bolt handle.
@webmailer123
@webmailer123 7 жыл бұрын
I think it would be possible to solve this blocking by pushing in the bolt handle release while moving the plate.
@eddiespencer1
@eddiespencer1 7 жыл бұрын
That's what I'm thinking. Push in and hold the button then pull out the plate.
@kainhall
@kainhall 7 жыл бұрын
i have the same idea....push in that little button, and it should give just enough wiggle room at least...thats what we can figure out with our eye balls. lol on 2nd look.....i think pushing in the release would jsut make things worse.... possibly you pull out on the bolt stop button, and then the bolt release part would slide out of the op rod???
@davidjames2788
@davidjames2788 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's what i thought too.
@TheHoldich
@TheHoldich 7 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about this also... at 7.24 when Ian is talking about being unable to release the side plate he lifts up a little tab. if the plate was still in place the lug on the bolt handle would fit into the gap that the lever uncovers allowing the side plate to come straight out of the receiver and then move backwards with the bolt/carrier until it's free to swing out sideways. My 2p
@mancavestudios8955
@mancavestudios8955 7 жыл бұрын
Looks friggin wicked.
@johnmcclain3887
@johnmcclain3887 2 жыл бұрын
I just ran across this, the action is pretty slick, I've got a couple old smle actions from RFI in 308, maybe I should sort of replicate this as close as I can. Thanks for a very interesting action.
@B60IN3
@B60IN3 7 жыл бұрын
Very promising design! Love it. Now lets see you tear it down blindfolded!
@jimjolly4560
@jimjolly4560 Жыл бұрын
This is the first semiauto conversion of an SMLE that doesn't scare the stuffing out of me. Give me a production version and I'd use it!
@justhuman3977
@justhuman3977 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video I would love to see this on a life fire range video..
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak 7 жыл бұрын
Complicated but cool. Never seen a trigger group quite like that one with that roller thing on there.
@codemiesterbeats
@codemiesterbeats 4 жыл бұрын
I think it is impressive design wise.... I honestly think the disassembly is pretty good for a prototype. I like the spring pin assembly method.
@broccoli4778
@broccoli4778 7 жыл бұрын
I just found this channel and I have to say it's pretty sweet
@emuriddle9364
@emuriddle9364 2 жыл бұрын
6:58 The only thing I can think of is this: 1. Pushing the button in the back, while disassembling it. 2. Remove both Hold-Open buttons from the charging handle. (They're held in by a single pin. Which can be seen at 7:20.) -I really think it's weird that the takedown lever at (7:18) is the same length as the Rear Hold-Open button. As if that Rear Button is supposed to be taken out first. Before the Side Plate.
@Divenity
@Divenity 2 жыл бұрын
Wish you could have gotten one of these out to the range, would've be cool to see it in action.
@moosemaimer
@moosemaimer 7 жыл бұрын
All the big chunky levers probably make it heavier but they look like they would be easy to use with gloves on... another benefit for a cold-weather gun.
@dmanx500
@dmanx500 7 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian, I need one.
@damiangrouse4564
@damiangrouse4564 7 жыл бұрын
David Mcwatters Bid on it and let us know how it shoots🍻
@spartans-4196
@spartans-4196 3 жыл бұрын
Well, now most Semi-Autos are illegal in Canada... Fuck.
@bobthebuilder5067
@bobthebuilder5067 Жыл бұрын
@@spartans-4196 And now they're trying to ban most semi-autos in the US... Fuck indeed.
@petermilsom1109
@petermilsom1109 5 жыл бұрын
Canada didn't apparently swap to metric until after 1970. Therefore the rear sight is almost certainly graduated in yards, not metres/meters.
@GeckoNovice
@GeckoNovice 7 жыл бұрын
Nice too hear some Canadian firearms history, it's a rare topic on major channels
@BornToFryForcedToServe
@BornToFryForcedToServe 7 жыл бұрын
beautiful rifle
@benm5913
@benm5913 7 жыл бұрын
46 views in 1 minute. Jesus Ian.
@Equ1ne
@Equ1ne 7 жыл бұрын
Ben M *gun jesus
@Ctulhu911
@Ctulhu911 7 жыл бұрын
True
@benparsons4979
@benparsons4979 5 жыл бұрын
That's about average for a KZbinr
@CorndogCrusader
@CorndogCrusader 5 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of KZbinrs who get more. PewDiePie for example.
@BucketPukes1969
@BucketPukes1969 4 жыл бұрын
Ben Parsons uh...fuck no
@evilcowboy
@evilcowboy 6 жыл бұрын
The designer borrowed a little from the Garand. Considering that I'd say to remove the side plate it may be intended after it is unlocked to tilt upwards at the rear and it would pull the front plate lock out of its groove. That is just my own observation and is probably wrong but I noticed the similarities like the rear catch for the trigger guard being designed a bit like the Garand and the gas system as well. With that in mind I would have tried to take it apart like the Garand and see if some of those ideas were subtly used in the creation of this rifle conversion.
@peteincanada8412
@peteincanada8412 Жыл бұрын
We never used this design because if you know how to fire an e field correctly ( using your pinky as trigger finger and never taking thumb and pointer off the bolt). It fires just as fast as a semi
@blakekenley1000
@blakekenley1000 2 жыл бұрын
the hammer/sear combo is like a 10/22
@panzerabwerkanone
@panzerabwerkanone 3 жыл бұрын
I saw the parts layout and at first thought that looks almost like a Garand gas cylinder and oprod!
@Nick-rs5if
@Nick-rs5if 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like something that has journeyed through hell and back. It's so crude and rugged, I absolutly love it!
@ILikeToLaughAtYou
@ILikeToLaughAtYou 2 жыл бұрын
This is an insanely badass looking rifle and I can’t tell why
@dolij5
@dolij5 9 ай бұрын
That thing is awesome
@allenjenkins7947
@allenjenkins7947 4 жыл бұрын
There's some very interesting concepts being tried out in this design. It's a pity that they never got to be developed further. The idea of using the point of a bullet as a disassembly tool would have been great if there had been fewer bits to remove with it. Mind you, all that being said you can field strip a Garand or any of its derivatives without any tools.
@TwentythreePER
@TwentythreePER 7 жыл бұрын
That trigger group is a very interesting system.
@straightshootingtalk6715
@straightshootingtalk6715 7 жыл бұрын
Needs more pieces... (Just kidding!) Wow! Thanks for posting this, Ian. I had never heard of this one before, let alone seen inside it. I am aware of the Huot and Charlton Automatic Rifles (conversion of the Ross and the SMLE), but this is all new to me. Besides the obvious SMLE heritage, it looks like parts of a Garand, an SVT-40, and an FN-49 were all blacksmithed together! You are braver than I, taking it all apart like that. :) Cheers, Dean
@gambler8899666
@gambler8899666 7 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing design. I could see this being added to Ian's personal collection. Shame they weren't produced in quantity.
@LouisianaLightCollector
@LouisianaLightCollector 7 жыл бұрын
Another awesome weapon.
@ErikJensenDetroit
@ErikJensenDetroit 7 жыл бұрын
Looking at those milling marks, that's pretty definitively a working prototype!
@jenniferbardot8791
@jenniferbardot8791 Жыл бұрын
My father was in the infantry in WW2. I once asked him why us Canadians had a bolt action rifle and why the M1 wouldn't have been better. Yes he said, but it's all logistics, you have to transport that ammo all the way from Canada, the Lee Enfield forces you to use less, a rifleman's primary job is holding ground and the rate of fire with a SMLE is not much less than the Garand.
@killzoneisa
@killzoneisa 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like it be a pain in the ass for a field strip.
@jonblais6225
@jonblais6225 7 жыл бұрын
almost need a table to do it on.
@RuthLessPirate901
@RuthLessPirate901 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonblais6225 and an engineering degree
@frickinrick89
@frickinrick89 2 жыл бұрын
Turner would later be lauded for his next Canadian invention, the Bachman-Turner Overdrive
@minuteman4199
@minuteman4199 7 жыл бұрын
Back when that thing was made, the sights would have been yards. We didn't start using metric till the 80's. That sight drum looks like it came off a Bren gun.
@golkynrastur761
@golkynrastur761 6 жыл бұрын
when this gun was made we here in Canada were still using Imperial measurements so it is almost certainly yards not meters that the sights are ranged in
@williamprince1114
@williamprince1114 7 жыл бұрын
Are you at Forgotten Weapons aware of any records of further R&D on Turner's patents by Savage Arms? I vaguely recall something mentioned in some thing I read some time ago that said they experimented with this action. I know that is really vague but I wondered if in your reference and resource material if you had a mention of that.
@jhm811
@jhm811 7 жыл бұрын
We need to see this at the range
@mickjenner6697
@mickjenner6697 5 жыл бұрын
The air vents on stock and shroud and the front sight protection piece just give this rifle a great look, steam punk I think
@thewiezman
@thewiezman 7 жыл бұрын
If I were squinting id say it was a svt-40
@phileas007
@phileas007 7 жыл бұрын
that's racist!
@kaseytompkins9708
@kaseytompkins9708 6 жыл бұрын
What am I missing here?
@farengarsecret-fire9597
@farengarsecret-fire9597 3 жыл бұрын
If I were squinting I'd say I couldn't see it
@PaulWhite-br9wi
@PaulWhite-br9wi Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see you producing a simpler version of a LE semi-auto conversion using modern know how.
@shlamimk4664
@shlamimk4664 5 жыл бұрын
That 100% belongs on bioshock.
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 7 жыл бұрын
I think this rifle looks rather good. Sure, it is a bit complicated to take apart, and it is a bit rough on welds and machining, but being a prototype, I fully understand that. It does not look like a conversion at all. It looks like it was designed from the ground up to be like that, and that is a major accomplishment for such a conversion.
@scroggins100
@scroggins100 7 жыл бұрын
From the no 8 cadet rifle to the mark 4 SMLE, the L39 and L42 I think I must have fired most of them, but that one. phew.. All I can say is Im glad UK went from the Mk 4 to the SLR! Lots and lots of bits to loose in the mud on this one... ! Really not soldier proof at all. But fun. Love the films mate keep it up. Best from UK.
@TheAnit500
@TheAnit500 4 жыл бұрын
At 5:21 I'm not sure you're correct. conversion to metric didn't begin until 1970. Even now as someone that works in construction, we often use imperial due to our close trade and industry relationship to the US. Every single thing other than blueprints and code (with most displaying both) is in imperial. Its just that all the older people are used to dealing with, and when they instruct newcomers to industry they teach them in imperial.
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