Turning Red - Is It Good or Nah? (Pixar Review)

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@SchaffrillasProductions
@SchaffrillasProductions 2 жыл бұрын
In addition to being mostly very courteous and respectful, this comment section is super illuminating; I knew some people would probably relate to the stuff with Mei's mother but I didn't think THIS MANY people would (I'm honestly sorry you had to deal with that growing up). This is kinda what I was talking about at the end of the video; I think hearing perspectives on the movie from people who see themselves in it and know it's realistic is way more interesting than hearing mine. I have no frame of reference for the sheer extent of Ming's helicopter parenting, whether it be from my own parents or from hearing about friends' parents, so I found it unrealistic. I never would've known how realistic it truly was until your comments enlightened me, so I appreciate that the movie depicts something incredibly identifiable to a lot of people. I wouldn't change my score based on this knowledge but it does enhance this aspect of the movie I previously took a lot more issue with. As for the red panda = periods metaphor, yeah you're right, they probably weren't going for that. I'll unabashedly take the L for that misread.
@SkylersWorldofGaming
@SkylersWorldofGaming 2 жыл бұрын
I respect your opinion
@tracer.s
@tracer.s 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! It's nice to see you engaging with it all and it solidifies my sneaking suspicion that you're a good dude (even if you had a questionable take on this). And your scores not an issue, 5/10 seems fair and hey, even if I didn't think so, it's not my place to "correct" your overall scoring.
@thepuppet1305
@thepuppet1305 2 жыл бұрын
James can you review this movie called "fireheart"
@Rachel-ft7hm
@Rachel-ft7hm 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the metaphor might have been about periods and puberty. I think I read that somewhere but I haven’t checked so if someone would like to correct me, feel free to.
@payt00n
@payt00n 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't ur fault, u just didn't experience the same type of parenting, it's great you saw insight after reading comments tho.
@yutianfeng
@yutianfeng 2 жыл бұрын
I think Turning Red was aggressively preteen-girl-y, which is a reason a lot of people didn’t really like it, but also why i really really liked it! Theres not a lot of media with characters out there like this… Mei felt like me as a thirteen year old, not airbrushed over to be more mature and rational and idealistic like so many other movies! Her personality is so genuine and her reactions to things are so raw and maybe objectively a bit stupid (just like a kid) its so great.
@lulucanpy3513
@lulucanpy3513 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Kinda wish this movie had been around when I was in the 12-15 age range. I can see myself really loving it/it being extremely relatable
@ajstudios9210
@ajstudios9210 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I was a lot like her as a kid, too and had a mother who cared a lot but could be a bit overprotective sometimes and put pressure on me to succeed in school, while sometimes babying me, too. Her mother, Ming, wasn't unrealistic at all, and that may be one of the elements I like. It's ironic that she dealt with pressure from her own mother yet still ended up making the same mistakes with her own daughter out of fear of the thing that happened to her happening to Mei. I also like how she not a villain, either. She's a classic case of a helicopter parent thinking she is doing the right thing and what is best for her daughter even though she is only making things worse and more embarrassing for her child at the beginning of the movie. This movie did better what Brave tried to do but went south with. It had a conflict between the mother and daughter set up and solved it rather nicely at the end.
@ryanwegge9426
@ryanwegge9426 2 жыл бұрын
I can agree with this statement. The film had such an early 2000s feel to it that I loved. I mean, the fact they have Tomogachis, the group 4*town sounding almost exactly like N*Sync, it was really cool. I also liked the panda representing puberty and one’s true self since I resonate with it so well. Plus, it can be really damn funny.
@faradise3819
@faradise3819 2 жыл бұрын
Consider that Tween movies have been gone for a while, it's refreshing for Turning Red to come out.
@musicmartyr
@musicmartyr 2 жыл бұрын
Exactlyyyyyy!!! This is a movie _for_ preteen girls so that's the point! (side note: this is also why I loved the Awooga scene. Teen girls don't just coquettishly giggle at boys they like. Yes, we do go Awooga)
@unikelle
@unikelle 2 жыл бұрын
"woman who's a lunatic with absolutely no self awareness" is spot on description for so many asian mums in my experience. bro that convenience store scene hit TOO FUCKING CLOSE to home it was like a tangible sucker punch to the gut. and the way mei screamed and repressed it after broke me. this is legit our reality. the amount of asian parents that have an absurd lack of self awareness is painfully more common than u realise. even so it was so fun seeing ur perspective and like understanding the significant differences of our cultures. give everyone in the comment section hugs.
@missybarbour6885
@missybarbour6885 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, my dad totally would have acted that and he's white, so it was FULLY believable to me lol
@TheRibottoStudios
@TheRibottoStudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@missybarbour6885 oh same my dad legit went "of anyone hurt you or your sister I'd be put in prison for murder." Gotta love dads 😂
@tmsluigi
@tmsluigi 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah to say that was unrealistic while I was over here completely relating to it, seemed out of touch.
@alejandracorea941
@alejandracorea941 2 жыл бұрын
Omg me too, i am latina and I think this ilustrated to good how a overprotective parent - who doesnt listen to their children and thinks that knows better - behaves. I watch this with my family and every 5 min we were like “yeah this is Mami”
@BlueVelours
@BlueVelours 2 жыл бұрын
Not only Asian. I'm from Mexico and Mei's mother is a combination of both of my parents... 😖😑😒
@Damascene_
@Damascene_ 2 жыл бұрын
i found this movie to be an accurate potrayal of kids and how cringey they are. i kept describing this movie as “intentionally cringy” and i think thats honestly a very good summary of the energy this movie has. its kinda nostalgic and charming as a result. a movie doesnt have to be extremely impactful and revolutionary for it to be good.
@xsticksx_7102
@xsticksx_7102 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, it made me feel the same way I connected with the protagonist alot from when I was young
@antonioc.5778
@antonioc.5778 2 жыл бұрын
"A movie doesn't need to be impactful or revolutionary to be good" This, lately if a movie doesn't change your life a lot of people call it lazy, boring or bad. Personally I really liked the movie, nothing crazy but entertaining and funny
@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375
@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 2 жыл бұрын
I personaly think this movie is fine but not anything special
@ShrodingersCatgirl
@ShrodingersCatgirl 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way, I think some people forget that what's "cringy" for adults can be fun and relateable for kids, which is clearly who this movie is for. And I don't think that's a bad thing either since not every movie has to be a universal experience.
@Nightlizard1564
@Nightlizard1564 2 жыл бұрын
That’s pretty much what I’m saying. We were all at that age when we were cringy little kids. Hell I used to run like a freaking ninja turtle all the time 😂.
@sophiehatia4471
@sophiehatia4471 2 жыл бұрын
It genuinely never occurred to me that people wouldn't recognise the overbearing and protective nature that Mei's mother has. Like that is one of the elements that I felt was the most grounded and relatable to me. I never realised how people could just never see their parents or any parents being like that
@juststatedtheobvious9633
@juststatedtheobvious9633 2 жыл бұрын
I envy those people.
@i.d.9754
@i.d.9754 2 жыл бұрын
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 sadly, I do too
@sm1purplmurderedme583
@sm1purplmurderedme583 2 жыл бұрын
it’s typical asian parent
@Geekster1984
@Geekster1984 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’ve never seen someone like that, but I found it really entertaining.
@leonineKelter
@leonineKelter 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he's like "her moms actions were way too crazy no one does that" clearly you've. Never had an overbearing mom jfc Like I can't be on a different floor of the house from my mom :// people are like that and it's kind of insane that there are people who genuinely haven't met people like this???
@MarzoAlive
@MarzoAlive 2 жыл бұрын
Just to point it out, the mother was at the school, she confronted that guy in the store, she blamed Mei's friends, all that, because she couldn't believe Mei had these thoughts herself, Ming thought she raised her that well that it was impossible for Mei to be this rebelious. Ming had Mei in this kind of pedestal where no one could ever dare to touch her or bother her. And to be honest, many parents, mostly those with special talents and expect a lot from their kids (at least with my experience with latinos parents), many are just like that. If something bad happens, it's never their childrens fault, it's their "bad influences" fault.
@errortryagainlater4240
@errortryagainlater4240 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the arbitrary and mysterious "bad influence" because their kid would _never_ make mistakes (embarrass the family) on their own 💀
@RagingWolftheGamer
@RagingWolftheGamer 2 жыл бұрын
@@errortryagainlater4240 I mean plenty of parents think that. It's something a lot of people have gone through, not just a cartoonish plot.
@Abbbcord
@Abbbcord 2 жыл бұрын
I’m more concerned about what else she drew tbh…
@cara9511
@cara9511 2 жыл бұрын
@@errortryagainlater4240 this is literally my mom
@katc2040
@katc2040 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh all of My friends parents hated me because they assumed I was the bad influence just because I'm shy
@kandyluv1000
@kandyluv1000 2 жыл бұрын
You touched on how the stakes of the movie didn’t feel that big, how the only thing at risk was having the mom find out what’s been happening. For an Asian American, it can be absolutely terrifying to let your parent know who you really are. It feels like your life is built in a lie as you balance how you are with your friends versus how you are with your parents. The main fear in not letting your parents know who you really are comes purely from not wanting to disappoint them. Turning Red shows this theme superbly as it always falls back on Mei behaving differently when she’s with her parents versus when she’s with her friends. Mei does say in the beginning that the biggest thing in her culture is to honor her parents. It sets up the main stakes right away. The parents are the ones that give you life, so you must never do anything to disappoint them. If you do, its like you are not grateful for everything they have done for you basically. Of course this is a cultural thing that is hard to see if you have no experience with. In that case, just imagine being a kid that is really really close with your parent, like how Mei was in the beginning. Her and her mom watched TV shows together, they had a cleaning routine together, and Mei would immediately show her mom her grades to receive praise and show her that she was doing well. Then suddenly, you could really really disappoint them. As a kid, that could be the end of the world! Of course I speak with some of my own life experience, but I feel like any kid who had a really close relationship with their parent would be terrified of disappointing them. I feel like these stakes were fitting in a coming of age story.
@yunaversa2609
@yunaversa2609 2 жыл бұрын
As a pasty white boy ide be terrified of my parents finding me drawing some random person.
@yunaversa2609
@yunaversa2609 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely think this a very good point that you've made but still waiting for a Disney/Pixar movie about a queer kid in this situation though exploring sexualities is definitely more of a thing suited to teens and maybe not children. I just don't want the trash that is Steven universe be the only one that touches on this that I've watched .
@ramonandrajo6348
@ramonandrajo6348 2 жыл бұрын
Nice try. XD
@strawboi1
@strawboi1 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not an asian american but knowing how that feels is pretty hard since my family don't know how I am when I'm at school versus how I am at home and I had failing grades which my family knows and when they see I have failing grades they have an assumption of me and my friends and they aren't bad people either but they believe it have to do something with me as if I'm the problem itself like as if I'm a sexist or something bizarre and I heard what my mother said about me when I was failing and I know I just had a hard time learning english and history since those subjects I'm not really good at
@abloogywoogywoo
@abloogywoogywoo 2 жыл бұрын
Pixar: We're doing a "coming of age" story. Schaffrillas: WHERE'S ME GOOD VS EVIL PLOT? WHY AREN'T THE STAKES HIGHER? Me: (cries in the corner)
@heydude4193
@heydude4193 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of people are also missing the fact that while this is about puberty, it’s also about not burying your emotions. The mom having such a big panda is literally showing her repressed rage all coming out in a negative way.
@6n100-ent
@6n100-ent 2 жыл бұрын
It’s still overly contrived and odd with certain scenes, but it does have its moments
@RedDeadDevilTrigger
@RedDeadDevilTrigger 2 жыл бұрын
@@6n100-ent true
@lProN00bl
@lProN00bl 2 жыл бұрын
The problem being that because the mother is such an asshole. I don't care that she has repressed feelings. If anything it should be the opposite, where she is made to feel small and weak. Rather than them having to try and talk her down like she's not the one in the wrong. Didn't even go to jail in the end.
@RedDeadDevilTrigger
@RedDeadDevilTrigger 2 жыл бұрын
@@lProN00bl true it didn’t really make sense like I know that if I felt scared to show any emotion whatsoever it would make me feel weak and scared
@jointfreeman3971
@jointfreeman3971 2 жыл бұрын
That’s cool. 70 other movies have done it better 100 times better. Simple
@AdoptingYoishis
@AdoptingYoishis 2 жыл бұрын
4:05 Fun fact: this scene was actually based off a real life experience the director had with her own mother where her mother was watching her through a school window in a big goofy hat and sunglasses, so maybe not as cartoonishly unrealistic of a scene as you may think
@111mazzystar
@111mazzystar 2 жыл бұрын
i remember my dad spying on me in 1st grade from the school window thank god my mom divorce him💀💀
@vilmavenla
@vilmavenla 2 жыл бұрын
@@111mazzystar i'm sorry, that sounds awful.
@sm1purplmurderedme583
@sm1purplmurderedme583 2 жыл бұрын
damnnnn
@MLH_1231
@MLH_1231 Жыл бұрын
@@111mazzystar oh my god bro😭😭
@seigeengine
@seigeengine Жыл бұрын
The trick is that something being real does not mean it's realistic.
@alexsaturday1391
@alexsaturday1391 2 жыл бұрын
Mother character isn't that cartoonish. I grew up with an overprotective Slavic mother who was EXACTLY like that, if not worse. It's a pretty accurate portrale if you know ppl like that
@jonathansoriano3568
@jonathansoriano3568 2 жыл бұрын
Shows what he knows about moms😂
@PolskiHetman
@PolskiHetman 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathansoriano3568 shows that his parents werent so strict
@jonathansoriano3568
@jonathansoriano3568 2 жыл бұрын
@@PolskiHetman or crazy. He didn't account for crazy.
@tunafish5462
@tunafish5462 2 жыл бұрын
I remember from ages 10 to 13 I would get home from school to find everything in my room out of place so I would know she was looking through my stuff, bitch just ask. I wasn't allowed to go out with friends until I was 14 and even then it had to be a group of 4. So whille watching idt she was cartoonish at all.
@dantefarge3369
@dantefarge3369 2 жыл бұрын
My latino mom was like her, she would snoop through my stuff, I had to beg to do basic stuff like sleep over at someone’s house, and the scene that hit so close to home was when mei pretends that she doesn’t know what 4 town is Bc I do/did that all the time
@Beafuscake
@Beafuscake 2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to point out, that there ARE mums who act like the mum in the movie, IVE MET THEM. Yes it may be exaggerated but I’ve had a lot of friends with mums who did something similar to the store clerk scene. But yeah, I like it but that may have been because I am a girl whose gone through this and the panda metaphor kinda worked for me. It may have been difficult because they’re also trying to portray a culture through but idk I liked it and related to it.
@seanguy7827
@seanguy7827 2 жыл бұрын
My mom is one of those mothers lol
@sharpwater4804
@sharpwater4804 2 жыл бұрын
I do think the panda metaphor could have been more fleshed out but I still related to it, I mean sometimes being on my period makes me feel like a big monster 😭 I wonder if the ritual could have been a metaphor for contraceptives like the implant or an iud, like in my case getting on the implant took away my period almost like sealing the panda
@notdude0
@notdude0 2 жыл бұрын
Mum lol
@tacossmiley
@tacossmiley 2 жыл бұрын
When watching that movie I found myself having a hard time understanding the characters until the mom did that or the any other things she did throughout the movie. My mother is exactly like that when I watch Tangled I’m always reminded of her because of the fake mother. When watching it the second hand embarrassment was to much because my mother has done things like that. When the mother started blaming Mei’s friends, I felt that. This movie attacked me on a personal level even though I am not Asian (my mom is Jewish tho if that gives you any idea). I don’t think most of this movie is good but parts of it had really great ideas and themes
@missybarbour6885
@missybarbour6885 2 жыл бұрын
My dad once physically threatened my friend's older brother just because he was the one in charge when I broke my arm at her house, so YEAH I could see him going unhinged on a store clerk like this lol
@professionalamateur741
@professionalamateur741 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely respect your opinion, bc not everyone needs to love this movie, but, as many others have commented, idk how I feel about comparing this movie to encanto. Yeah, they had two different purposes and stories they wanted to portray, but another important difference is that Mirabel was already kind of a mess up to her family, especially her abuela (sorry if that’s blunt, but idk how to put it nicer), whereas Ming still thinks Mei is her prefect little girl. Mirabel wants to prove to her family that she is a worthy member of the family and she loves just as much as the rest, while Mei wants to preserve how her mom sees her without the consequences of exposing the messiness of teenhood to her mom. Just what I think anyways
@skyrimnerdofficial
@skyrimnerdofficial 2 жыл бұрын
I think that's a perfect example; the two girls are actually working towards different goals so the focal point of the two movies is going to shift. For Encanto, generational trauma was root of the main conflict, for Turning Red its the interpersonal relationships between the women of the family.
@DaltonLunday2103
@DaltonLunday2103 2 жыл бұрын
I love both films and think they both succeed in what they’re trying to do
@mr.thumbsup8335
@mr.thumbsup8335 2 жыл бұрын
Despite me agreeing with what you said, I think Schaff was trying to compare Isabella, not Mirabel, to Mei. Both characters are considered perfect by a motherly figure, despite them actually be far from being the perfect child their mom/grandma thinks they are.
@JThePlante
@JThePlante 2 жыл бұрын
yeah this movie's way different than Encanto
@supersucks
@supersucks 2 жыл бұрын
you just encapsulated it. Nice
@mv6354
@mv6354 2 жыл бұрын
I like how from anyone else perspective Mei's mom is insane but to Asians she's the most realistic Mother in any kind of animated media I've ever seen. Also the scene in which Mei's mom fights with the store clerk due to Mei's fantasies is wayyy more realistic than you think. Tbh This movie was painful to get through due to its accuracy
@NotSoUltraJason
@NotSoUltraJason 2 жыл бұрын
as a certified asian child, i can say that the part where the mom showed people Mei's drawings really hits home. (since it happened to me as well) edit: movies exaggerate stuff for comedic effect, but from personal life experience, i feel like the conflict between parent and child was actually toned down... a lot.
@libeluladevidro
@libeluladevidro 2 жыл бұрын
i saw that with Encanto as well, with abuelas apologie being accepted right, i mean, disney doesnt release movies longer than 90 minutes so its probably hard to go into depth about these things, but even then i think they talked about it really well
@StrangerInAStrangeLang
@StrangerInAStrangeLang 2 жыл бұрын
This movie unearthed repressed memories of cautiously exploring my budding attraction to people through drawing, and then having my parents drag it out into the open in a horrifying embarrassing display. I have a feeling this movie is only going to be for people who grew up with mothers like this.
@satoshieswc9205
@satoshieswc9205 2 жыл бұрын
I have both japanese and peruvian family as well, so I can fully understand the abuelas and the mother of Mei mei And both are clear and accurate as real life can get
@Teh-Dee-bear
@Teh-Dee-bear 2 жыл бұрын
Holy Shit Ultra Jason!? I honestly didn’t expect you to be in Schaffrillas Production’s comment section at all. Hello btw!
@smelly6137
@smelly6137 2 жыл бұрын
not asian, however child of eastern european immigrants and i relate. not unrealistic at all
@evanhaithcock7694
@evanhaithcock7694 2 жыл бұрын
I do feel like the “generational trauma” aspect of this is much more important than ppl are giving it credit for. Like I read the Panda as a kind of connection to their past and their heritage; as they immigrated to the west, they felt that they had to hide and get rid of their pandas (their culture) to adapt to their new life, but Mei breaks this tradition. Even though she should be the most “western” of them all-having lived her entire life in Canada with a mom who presumably did the same-she decides to embrace her history and grow closer to her culture in a way that her family before her doesn’t. It was a really interesting take on westernization and the refusal to assimilate imo
@saml815
@saml815 2 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly!! They literally call their gift an "inconvenience" to deal with despite it being the very thing that saved their ancestors.
@crystalixchel
@crystalixchel 2 жыл бұрын
yeah I read it as heritage + the women like Ming holding in their emotions all the time much more than a period metaphor especially considering how the periods is treated as a 'normal' thing in a way but I may be dense cause I didn't even think about periods when I first saw the marketing for this movie lmaoo
@rs7ln5m20
@rs7ln5m20 2 жыл бұрын
I'd also like to add that this movie sorta comments on how Western society will be selective on which parts of Asian culture it will accept or is aware of. This is probably why the movie has such a strong manga/anime art style: because North America is aware of it (or it's a surface level element of Asian culture that's commonly known by many or could be taken as some stereotypical association). There's almost a contradiction between the family hiding these more oddly specific elements of their culture and the movie making strong use of this art style Another recent movie After Yang comments on this idea from a different angle
@magicalmagdad539
@magicalmagdad539 2 жыл бұрын
YES EXACTLY
@mrnubnub4584
@mrnubnub4584 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think this metaphor works. The beginning of the movie clearly shows how connected they are to their culture. Their job literally is upkeeping a Chinese temple in Toronto.
@berenicepenguin8993
@berenicepenguin8993 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I’m so glad Mei revealed she was the Red Panda to the school so early in the movie. She didn’t have to deal with the whole “hide the monster from the people” trope for the whole movie (except from her family of course). Plus watching her make money off of the Panda was much more entertaining and fun.
@thenyan3095
@thenyan3095 2 жыл бұрын
@Sentiental ehhhh, if they explored that more I’m almost certain they would of made Mei the unlikable popular girl stereotype for 20% of the movie and that wouldn’t be fun to watch
@claudiacann3416
@claudiacann3416 2 жыл бұрын
ofc it doesn’t feel low stakes for you bc you’re not a 13 year old girl. it’s high stakes for mei because her and her mom’s relationships are her whole world. her mom approval matters so much to her, and her not accepting her or knowing that she’s not her “perfect little meimei” is so important to her. it’s high stakes to her and her friends
@jeniferjoseph9200
@jeniferjoseph9200 2 жыл бұрын
I mean I would still argue it’s a low stakes movie the same way Luca is. He just liked Luca way more
@dilluwengillpran8147
@dilluwengillpran8147 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I like Schaff, but come on, no murder attempt = no stake? I was feeling very anxious for Mei to get to see the concert. I was worried for her friendships with her besties to be ruined, or for the Panda to lose control. I wanted her to be free of the internalized trauma of her mother's abusive behaviors. These were engaging dramatic elements for me.
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow 2 жыл бұрын
Or maybe because he’s a sociopath? Idk I’m a dude but embarrassment and strict parents that I clashed with, was a very common thing for me
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow 2 жыл бұрын
@@dilluwengillpran8147 I shit myself when the mom went to the shop, the embarrassment 😔
@Korksbebig
@Korksbebig 2 жыл бұрын
It's a boring movie. Simple as that.
@jvlinkitt
@jvlinkitt 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not even Asian, I'm from Latin America and the way that Mei's mother was portrayed was extremely accurate to what moms act like with a female only/older child when they're at that age. My mom also spied on me, called my friends's mothers when something happened to me, or when I was upset with them, to fix stuff for me, she was very overprotective, to the point I started lying and hiding stuff from her and rebelling. I think the red panda is less about periods and puberty, and more about that rebellious phase you have to go through to stop being so dependent on your parents and break free from their expectations and that idealized image they may have of you. It was predictable but very enjoyable. That scene in the bamboo forest made me ugly cry. Yes, Encanto definitely explored generational trauma better and it's an overall better movie, but, Turning Red just spoke to me more. Probably because I relate to the relationship Mei had with her mother. It's the same relationship I have with my mom. Maybe if you have gone through a similar experience with your parents this movie will speak to you more. Or maybe not. Everyone has a way of enjoying things and no one should dictate whether you should or shouldn't like a product, opinions are valid.
@hinab.5132
@hinab.5132 2 жыл бұрын
i completely agree with you! i think it touched on another aspect of generational trauma [if compared with encanto]. encanto really focused on the effects of trauma on a whole family but here, with turning red, it was way more focused on trauma passed down from mothers to daughters. the panda aspect really isn't about puberty or periods if you look closely enough: it's about growing into your own person and discovering your true personality [after being what others wanted you to be]. it was a beautiful film and just like you said, it rang truer to me than encanto [i am a woc and although i did relate to most of the stuff discussed in encanto, it just didn't hit as hard].
@mjgt2124
@mjgt2124 2 жыл бұрын
Omg yes sameee
@themidlandconnection
@themidlandconnection 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'll second this, I'm white as hell but shared a house with a really close friend who's mother, upon hearing id rent a room from my friend, moved home to "keep an eye on us", also should mention that my western European ancestry would have definitely had parallels to mei's aunts and grandmother, I've experienced cringe like this in my childhood
@LoveValentineXO
@LoveValentineXO 2 жыл бұрын
Latina here with overprotective parents, too! I'll never forget when my brother took my cousin and I to our first concert, and my mom and aunt just SHOWED UP AT THE CONCERT. What the hell?? We were probably about early teens at time, too. We literally ran away from them, and my brother got in huge trouble later for that.
@Jasscie
@Jasscie 2 жыл бұрын
The scene in the bamboo forest made me ugly cry too! It was the moment where Mei finds herself as someone distinct from the monolith of her family and also realizes that her mom is a distinct person too, flaws and all. Whereas Mirabel and her relationship to her grandmother is stronger than ever at the end of Encanto, there is a new (healthy) distance between Ming and Mei at the end of Turning Red. Ming understands that she needs to give her daughter space. My mom did not give me this space until I was in my 20s LOL but it was nice to see that portrayed in the movie. Mei even admits to missing how things used to be a little, but embracing her new freedom, which makes for a bittersweet and realistic ending.
@stella_le
@stella_le 2 жыл бұрын
Comparing this movie to Encanto based on the quality of discussing generational trauma feels a bit... odd? There are worlds of difference between the Colombian experience of struggling to vindicate your ancestors' sacrifices and the Asian diaspora experience of attempting to conform to a highly restrictive family legacy dating back thousands of years. They really are different things.
@jennxiaoo
@jennxiaoo 2 жыл бұрын
exactly
@tracer.s
@tracer.s 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! This is amoung a host of comments in the review that bugged me (at least tonally) and you've really hit the nail on the head.
@jestenia590
@jestenia590 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, comparing the two in that way would be like saying all love stories are the same :/
@uni_meadows
@uni_meadows 2 жыл бұрын
I find it kind of weird how he makes jokes about being a pasty white boy and instead of actually doing something with that realization he speaks on stuff he obviously has no clue about :/
@Marcela20010
@Marcela20010 2 жыл бұрын
Yess thank you that was exactly what i was thinking! :)
@juniper5604
@juniper5604 2 жыл бұрын
'theres no stakes' for a 13 year old girl, this IS stakes. They wrote her beautifully Edit: to clarify, stakes is the double life, the 4Town concert (mostly) all of it. It's great
@astralucy
@astralucy 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I had never seen such a good representation of how important /everything/ feels when you are that age, even if looking back it might seem silly.
@missybarbour6885
@missybarbour6885 2 жыл бұрын
I sometimes have a hard time connecting to "we have to save the world" stories because... I've never had to save the world. But having to hide something from your mom? I've done that. I KNOW those stakes. Getting caught by my parents was the scariest thing I had to deal with at 13. I remember literally crying when I realized the midnight movie release my friends and I wanted to go to was actually during the week I was at summer camp, so the concert deadline made total sense too. This movie, for all its mystical animal transformations, had some of the realest stakes I've ever seen.
@sakura9959
@sakura9959 2 жыл бұрын
Trueeeee
@juniper5604
@juniper5604 2 жыл бұрын
I am a 13 year old girl (14 in a few months!) And although I would never admit it anywhere else this is exactly how it feels. I also loved when she first became a red panda she started yelling at her mom among other things. That's growing up
@Alexis-nq9nl
@Alexis-nq9nl 2 жыл бұрын
Fr
@michaelacheong
@michaelacheong 2 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting how you mention that these are all ideas you’ve seen before, and that this movie doesn’t do anything "new" with the ideas. But, to many Asian immigrants, including myself, this movie is EXACTLY the NEW way we’ve wanted these kinds of stories told onscreen. Even though it doesn’t explore inter generational trauma with as much depth/nuance as Encanto, the writing is actually incredibly nuanced in the way Mei communicates about her own desires in veiled ways so as to protect her mum from truly knowing what those desires are. Even though the exploration of the topic isn’t super deep, the portrayal of the experiences gives us as an audience that depth we are looking for.
@grybotte
@grybotte 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah his review is garbage
@omfg8465
@omfg8465 Жыл бұрын
So it’s new because it’s about asians?… Yeah, besides your racial status, mate, it’s nothing new.
@iliasbee
@iliasbee Жыл бұрын
@@omfg8465 its a new perspective. i dont think you really took the time to understand what they wrote here. cultural perspectives on previously established ideas are very capable of being new and refreshing, especially considering how the family values of many cultures are vastly different than one another.
@Corredor1230
@Corredor1230 Жыл бұрын
Even more hilarious is the fact that as a Colombian, I could relate to Mei and her character and family situation much better than with the Encanto girl. That movie just felt like cheap pandering with perhaps a few good things here and there, while Turning Red definitely felt like a real passion project. I don’t know, I really disagree with this review.
@ianm02
@ianm02 Жыл бұрын
@@iliasbee It actually isn’t an original idea. The person who came up with the idea for this movie even rehashed the theme from the short she wrote for Pixar a few years earlier. I think whoever made this movie just ran out of creative juice. How do I know? The Kaiju battle at the end of the movie says everything it needs to. Let’s get some new, fun ideas next time Pixar!
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly Schaff, my best friend is Asian and she says that her mother is EXACTLY as overbearing, overprotective and controlling as Mei’s mother. Not saying all Asian moms are like this, but there is a lot of truth within the character itself in her lack of tactfulness. That said, even if this film isn’t a masterpiece, I still want more female directors behind the chair at Pixar. The fact it took them 27 years to do it without firing them (Brave) is insulting and I hope there will be more of them.
@SoldierDelta
@SoldierDelta 2 жыл бұрын
Even as someone who was... fine with Brave, at least I liked it... yeah Pixar not having a single female director for 25 films, 27 years, 2 changes in ownership, and a whole firing of a great director... it feels kinda shitty. Meh, at least we got a decent director in the end. She seems to have had a lot of fun directing Turning Red. Hopefully she can work on another project.
@recitationtohear
@recitationtohear 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKOrapljfryqotE *Ходімо finally*
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 2 жыл бұрын
Brave is not the worst movie on earth but you can tell Brenda being fired from the project killed the film overall. That’s all I’m saying. At least they did this woman a courtesy by actually letting her finish the movie. And she’s awesome. I hope she’ll be back for more films down the line.
@MacI-1970
@MacI-1970 2 жыл бұрын
This film was garbage. Sandra Oh was the only good thing about this trash.
@frostyfreeze325
@frostyfreeze325 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. A bit exaggerated, but that's what asian mom would do.
@joshualee2458
@joshualee2458 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, unfortunately the "unrealistic" nature of the mom doesn't hold up outside of your own experience. My mother was very controlling and invasive including to the point where she showed up at the apartment complex where i lived and attempted to use her knowledge of my ASD diagnosis to bypass privacy rules. And I'm not even Asian, I've heard this to be far more common among my Asian friends.
@EyesWillRule
@EyesWillRule 2 жыл бұрын
I just think it's a universal experience between mothers and their children, not necessarily tied down to a singular culture. A lot of moms are like Ming- they don't want their children to turn out "like that" even if the "like that" isn't actually bad. Eventually things will get to a head and the child will just be themselves regardless of what mom thinks.
@chasedbyvvolves9256
@chasedbyvvolves9256 2 жыл бұрын
@@EyesWillRule Normal, healthy moms aren't like this. It's exclusively a crazy person thing, though some cultures cater to it more than others.
@abloogywoogywoo
@abloogywoogywoo 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Ratatouille is a masterpiece in his book. FERAL RATS THAT COOK. What 2020s hypocrisy.
@undercovercat8449
@undercovercat8449 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, my mother was like this
@clearlynotchloe
@clearlynotchloe 2 жыл бұрын
@@abloogywoogywoo are you trying to shit on ratatouille? because i’ll fight you till one of us dies on this hill
@sammy6866
@sammy6866 2 жыл бұрын
No because the way the mom acted is exactly how mine did. Even if some people saw it as fake or cartoonish, it's a reality for many people with severely strict parents. It's cringey, traumatizing, and you feel alienated from other people, I think that's why maybe for me the red panda thing could've been a good analogy, but it kinda fell flat. Still enjoyed it tho!
@Sofiaode18
@Sofiaode18 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Schaffrillas did not have that experience and couldn't relate to it because I would never wish that kind of thing on anyone. My mom worked and I never got the full extent of her psycho overprotective mother-ness but I would imagine turning out even worse had she been a stay at home mom who had nothing better to do. Asian parents are just control freaks like that.
@frostedfelony
@frostedfelony 2 жыл бұрын
Same 😳
@jaroj1112
@jaroj1112 2 жыл бұрын
Why did it fall flat
@Soniman001
@Soniman001 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaroj1112 it didn't it's just an annoying term people use way to liberally
@venictos
@venictos 2 жыл бұрын
@@Soniman001this movie fell more flat than the seltzer I left open two days ago. The story and characters were not intetesting at all. And why does Disney have to keep forcing diversity at every single chance they get? I hope other people like the movie, I'm just not one.
@40dbelow0
@40dbelow0 2 жыл бұрын
It’s safe to say this movie wasn’t made for you, Schaff. That’s why you’re not connecting with it. Asian Americans, tweens, people with helicopter moms, women. We see ourselves in this so much it’s deeply effective. Of course you can have your opinion but please know this is an incredible realistic take on a lot of things tween girls go through, right down to the “cringey drawings of the crush”
@scalyboi8918
@scalyboi8918 2 жыл бұрын
This is the dumbest movie I’ve ever seen
@swarshakamra6826
@swarshakamra6826 2 жыл бұрын
@@scalyboi8918 everyone's past was dumb
@Sleepai
@Sleepai 2 жыл бұрын
@@swarshakamra6826 this movie was even dumber
@AA-cf4es
@AA-cf4es 2 жыл бұрын
@@scalyboi8918 i bet you are a 13 yo boy.
@scalyboi8918
@scalyboi8918 2 жыл бұрын
@@AA-cf4es try again pal
@vanilla_aster
@vanilla_aster 2 жыл бұрын
As a filipino, I never felt Ming's lack of self-awareness to be unrealistic, in fact it was the complete opposite. I really saw myself as Mei Mei during the convenient store scene and even her entire background of her upbringing where she would try to do everything to please her mom. The lack of self-awareness of Ming and how she chose to be overbearing to Mei Mei was honestly very tame compared to what I've experienced with my mom growing up. Heck even the scene with the dad consoling Mei Mei hit close to home that I started crying because I completely understand and experienced the exact way the dad consoled her, by just being with me and trying to cheer me up. When I was watching this with my non-asian friends, they commented how spineless the dad felt, so I had to but in and say that the way the father acted was a very common thing in an asian household when the mother is as overbearing as Ming. So for me, I believed it really hit the nail on the head with its portrayal of the family and the conflict that Mei Mei went through. And after watching this video I do find it interesting to hear from your perspective and I really appreciate the message you have about not letting people of that culture get drowned out by others because this movie is something that I believe should be appreciated as much as Encanto.
@collinevanrossen4403
@collinevanrossen4403 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree. I also have a filipino mom and have a white dad, and this is exactly how it goes. My mom was always the loud, brash, overbearing one and afterwards my dad would come to console me, so that hit so close to home, and the part where mei and her mom were in the bamboo forest and they had a heart to heart really hit me, since my mom rarely talks about it, but sometimes mentions that her mom wanted her to be ‘perfect’ as well, and idk it just resonated with me.
@mahala4881
@mahala4881 2 жыл бұрын
@@collinevanrossen4403 i have a filipino mum and white dad too. I swear we all live the same life here haha
@nalukirisakidragneel5648
@nalukirisakidragneel5648 2 жыл бұрын
very well said
@kimkab0om
@kimkab0om 2 жыл бұрын
Filipino mom white dad, we all share similar experiences and I find comfort in that
@Michelle-mh2tg
@Michelle-mh2tg 2 жыл бұрын
I’m full Mexican, but this movie really hit a nerve. That’s how many ethnic moms act with their children, and many white people just don’t get it. For them the stakes weren’t big enough, the pressure of being perfect and honoring your ancestors was dumb, but we get it, and I feel like Asian people get it a lot more. I really wish people stopped comparing it with Encanto, and love it just as much, appreciated for the amazing movie and storyline. Bc they’re similar, but they deal with it accordingly to their culture.
@PapaHepatitis7170
@PapaHepatitis7170 2 жыл бұрын
I love that people in schaff's comment section sometimes talk about their own opinions and why they liked the movie, it gives a different perspective into how not every movie review channel has a legion of mindless "yes" zombies
@anib8863
@anib8863 2 жыл бұрын
Also the fact that most people are being respectful (at least from what I've seen) which is really good.
@gaspoweredpick
@gaspoweredpick 2 жыл бұрын
Schaff's opinions tend to be less popular, or at least not align perfectly with my opinions. Though I enjoy watching his videos anyway because he makes great points and explains himself very well. Also, he's pretty funny.
@ethanmarquardt2760
@ethanmarquardt2760 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree with this comment
@Peasham
@Peasham 2 жыл бұрын
I don't want to read the comments on reviews where people think the movie's calarts.
@umbrella3235
@umbrella3235 2 жыл бұрын
This is the ideal comment section imo.
@sofiamartinez3742
@sofiamartinez3742 2 жыл бұрын
There are many points I would like to put out there, perhaps not as an Asian-Daughter but as a Mexican-Daughter who greatly related to this movie: 1) High stakes don’t always mean death. The stakes here are more personal, more emotional. The stakes for Mei are between her individuality and the relationship with her mother. That’s why in the climax when she finds her mother’s soul as a teenager and one decides to suppress her panda and the other doesn’t they verbalize the fear they have of growing apart. And perhaps many have never had to experience it that way but for me one of the hardest decisions I’ve had to make is follow my own path despite what my parents’ expectations of me were. Just like Mei I was terrified of losing my relationship with both my parents, and maybe mostly with my mother. 2) The red panda and period situation was a joke, because it is an obvious one. But it’s not the entirety of what the monster means. The way I interpreted it is that the monster is the unpredictability that many immigrant parents fear in their kids. The “falling out of line” and not being who they expect us to be. Which is why Mei keeps her panda, perhaps being the only woman in generations to do so in her family. Coming back to immigrant families, we value our relationships with our parents so very much. And many of us choose to keep that “monster” hidden as long as it means keeping that relationship with our families “happy”. 3)The red panda being a female only situation makes a lot of sense. In my experience, when it comes to immigrant families we tend to put a lot more pressure on our girls to meet expectations and become the women we want them to be. Whether we are the oldest or not, immigrant daughters carry the expectations of their families on their shoulders. Making us the ones who have to, in most cases, suppress our red pandas for the sake of our families. 4) In the most respectful way possible, relatability doesn’t always equate a good movie. Especially when we come from places of privilege. Sometimes movies will show us perspectives that we have never lived ourselves or considered, and in doing so we might think the movie ain’t good. In my opinion this movie isn’t a 10/10 but it is definitely up there. The stakes are realistic (within the fantasy aspects of it) and so are the relationships between mother and daughter. The comedy makes sense when you think about the protagonist and her friends being tweens. And I absolutely love the stylistic choices in the animation. I watched this movie with my parents. And at the end of it we couldn’t stop joking about how funny it would be to meet my grandma’s red panda. And how my mom’s panda and mine are now in good terms. Funny how sometimes the family trauma, once healed, allows for conversations like those.
@Mia-bo2dk
@Mia-bo2dk 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, as someone who basically isnt an immigrant (even most recent ancestors have me a 5th generation. Ive lose virtually all connection to our country of origin), your points are still relatable. My mum has major expectations over me, be they religious, how i present, my sexuality, etc, and i dont meet most of them. I still have yet to come out of the closet over the fact that im trans, because i believe she wants me to be this big man, a concept i personally despise. I cant even imagine how bad these must be for an afab person
@janimatics
@janimatics 2 жыл бұрын
You said it all perfectly! Exactly what I was thinking!!
@sofiamartinez3742
@sofiamartinez3742 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mia-bo2dk Much love to you dear, and thank you for sharing your perspective which is every bit as valuable. 💖
@Mia-bo2dk
@Mia-bo2dk 2 жыл бұрын
@@sofiamartinez3742 much love to you too. It means a lot to get support over these times, especially now that my mum is mandating i go to a building for a belief i dont even share
@LandonEmma
@LandonEmma 2 жыл бұрын
"FURRY = BAD" NOW, GET A LIFE!
@momonatics4life796
@momonatics4life796 2 жыл бұрын
Oof shaff I'm sorry but that scene where the mom literally stalks her daughter at school just to give her pads is definitely not unrealistic, I'm a Filipino guy born and raised in the Philippines but something similar happened to me. More so on the lines of going out on party's in a hotel with my friends while my mom insisting she comes with but stays in another room, even on trips with my friends she insist on literally following along in her car, which you have no idea how embarrassing it is when one of your friends recognizes it's your mom driving. My entire highschool life I never got to sleep overnight in a friends house nor go out on late night parties, only got to do that when I finally hit college, even then there's a compromise. In short Ming is a pretty accurate representation on what an asian helicopter mom is like, so no she's not cartoonishly over the top. And trust me, for an asian kid, hiding things like these from your parents is PRETTY HIGH STAKES, the tongue lashing you'll get (you may also get the belt) will absolutely make you feel like shit. Although my mom only ever hit me with the belt one time (which I won't go into detail because that incident was definitely my fault) and more so played the role of the overbearing mother, it was my father who leaned more on physical and emotional abuse, getting low grades meant I had to study non-stop to the point where I was crying and vomiting out of exhaustion, if I made a mistake he'd hit me, sometimes with the metal buckle, a hanger, a broom and even a wooden baton. My mom tried her best to protect me from his physical abuse but, this was considered normal in our household back then because it was normal for his household when he was a kid. And as a grown up now I hold a lot of ill will towards my father, I barely talk to him and barely see him on a day to day basis, the funniest part is we live under the same roof. I love my mom though despite being extremely overbearing. So yeah you really shouldn't judge this movie based on something you've never experienced.
@highdefinition450
@highdefinition450 2 жыл бұрын
I don't need to know the context to know that it wasn't your fault you got the belt. Even if you were being an absolute shit, a parent shouldn't hit their child. Simple as that. Kinda messed up she managed to convince you you were at fault for how she acted. She's in control of her actions, not you.
@KaelyWaely
@KaelyWaely 2 жыл бұрын
the studying til you vomit is pretty extreme but going and partying at hotels and late night parties with your mom was pretty normal. My mom would most likely do the same thing and I'm not Asian.
@kittysharpe5269
@kittysharpe5269 9 ай бұрын
@@highdefinition450ngl this kinda made me cry cuz my parents were very keen on beating me, so hearing this kinda hit home a bit
@obinnaonyeije
@obinnaonyeije 2 жыл бұрын
I think that the lack of "stakes" compared to Encanto is intentional; the tension of the story comes from the fact that only the family feels there is a problem both with the panda and with showing sides of yourself that aren't "appropriate." Having the other kids (as well as Mei's dad) be accepting of the panda shows that the generational trauma in this specific scenario is based on mostly unfounded fears, yet it continues to be perpetuated until Mei speaks out against it. It ties into the idea that sharing negative or excessive emotions isn't something to be ashamed of.
@harmunni
@harmunni 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought the stakes in this movie was the risk of diassponting your parents or losing the love of your family
@danjlp9155
@danjlp9155 2 жыл бұрын
@@harmunni I agree, particularly around the point of the story when she has the talk with the grandmother. As soon as she found out that keeping the panda might mean losing her mother, the stakes really shift for her. Again, no offense against Shay but like the movie spells this stuff out.
@anafu-sankanashi8933
@anafu-sankanashi8933 2 жыл бұрын
Encanto was criticised by people that it was also too low stakes. But those type of films work the best
@minecrafter3448
@minecrafter3448 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sure, “unfounded”. Every single generation caused major destruction before they were able to banish it. The moral just doesn’t stick. He wasn’t right about the stakes. The stakes were very high. It just isn’t given enough emphasis to seem like there are high stakes. Not to mention that they sacrificed any hope the moral they were intending to deliver had when they increased the stakes of either getting full control of the panda or banishing it.
@harmunni
@harmunni 2 жыл бұрын
There have been seems where Mei literally hits herself from speaking out to her mom. Where her mom would get upset and angry with her for stuff like being mad for discovering about her terrible transformation when she rightfully should be especially when she was never told about it. It's not unfounded fears it's a pattern that you can even see still happens with Mei's mom and grandmother. She's a teenager regardless of her having excessive emotion this is what happens when you keep it in. It becomes excessive, and messy. The movie is about growth, self discovery and being open about yourself which is why her friends are what bring Mei back to her human form because they accept her regardless of her feelings and looks. It literally gives the idea of being true to yourself and others is nothing to be ashamed of.
@tiamccurds
@tiamccurds 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why a movie needs stakes for a coming of age movie. This was a movie about Mei finding herself, trying to set boundaries with her mother (and extended family) and the movie showcased how many immigrant families put their child on a pedestal for success. I cried most of the movie because Mei was able to embrace herself and had friends who supported her along the way, it is something that I, and potentially many other women, have lost as we've become older. It connected with me more than Encanto ever could because of its relevance in my own life.
@daelcart1947
@daelcart1947 2 жыл бұрын
Movies don't need high stakes to be good. But a movie being relatable doesn't mean it has no flaws. Personally encanto was a lot more relatable to me and I liked the subtlety compared to turning red.
@missybarbour6885
@missybarbour6885 2 жыл бұрын
I think it had very relatable stakes. My parents catching me doing something they wouldn't approve of was the SCARIEST thing I had to worry about at 13 lol
@sakura9959
@sakura9959 2 жыл бұрын
Her friends are so nice 🥺, and the fact they end up being friends with the bully. While I’m latina, I have to admit I liked more how Turning Red addressed this topic, just my opinion.
@lauraniun3092
@lauraniun3092 2 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree here
@SilastheMatchmaker
@SilastheMatchmaker 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I think Encanto was a good movie, but I think trying to compare it to Turning Red is a large stretch, and I think it's a shame people are doing it so much just because they touch on some of the same subject matter and released close to each other. Turning Red isn't supposed to be as deep or dark as Encanto, because it's supposed to be a more of a light-hearted, slice of life coming of age story about a teenage girl figuring herself out. Encanto *did* have Mirabel figuring herself out, but the movie was darker and it's entire focus was the idea of generational trauma and the effect it can have on a family, and the idea of toxic perfectionism. They *brush* on similar themes, but I think it's like comparing apples to oranges. Encanto is really good, but I definitely agree that Turning Red resonated with me a lot more since it reminded me so much of my own experiences as a teenager.
@Macalicious
@Macalicious 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I could tell you that Mei's mom was unrealistic, but Ming is a spot on portrayal of my grandmother, who's even more paranoid than her. My granny would walk right into my school demanding to see me. Would watch me during sports practice because "your instructor could be a child predator" and then continue to feed me apple slices so I couldn't practice and warn me of strangers in such a way that I became a shut in with trust issues for yeard and even after theraphy, I still have problems adjusting to new environments because I think "Some random person can literally kill me right now for no reason". After all these years I still feel like it's my fault that she disowned my uncle because he let me have dinner at my classmate's (his stephdaughter) house. "We have food at home, if you want to beg for scraps at someone's else's place then you're dead to me" is one of her 'favorite' lines.
@jeniferjoseph9200
@jeniferjoseph9200 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry you experienced that
@Macalicious
@Macalicious 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeniferjoseph9200 it's okay, now that I'm older I see things from a different perspective and my granny deals with her own demons. I feel upset but honestly I just hope that others can break generational trauma and toxic family bonds easier now that it gets more and more adressed nowadays.
@highdefinition450
@highdefinition450 2 жыл бұрын
Wtf
@thetriggeredone3461
@thetriggeredone3461 2 жыл бұрын
@@Macalicious it's crazy how you went through that I guess I kinda went through similar examples of this but not as crazy as you my mom would always come up with some excuse for something as by not letting me go to a simple field trip to Orlando but she would let go to a fucking prison Field trip to not letting me walk home even though our house is very close to my school because she thinks the worst gonna happen even though there's literally no serious crimes near my area to basically other things so while my situation is not as crazy as yours I can kinda relate in a way also sorry that this is a late reply
@jojak12-54
@jojak12-54 Жыл бұрын
Damn
@clinicalia
@clinicalia 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, my mom wouldn't even let me turn on the air conditioner in our house because she was genuinely convinced I would do it wrong and it would "explode and kill" me. Some parents are lunatics. It's perfectly realistic. Lmao.
@tinacofalls9202
@tinacofalls9202 2 жыл бұрын
I do just want to point out that the director did say in a few interviews how the scenes where Mei is embarrassed by her mother were pulled from her own childhood experiences, including the one where she spies on her outside the school, so I didn’t see the scenes as unbelievable or overdramatized, but just how some cultures instill certain values on their children in different ways depending on their heritage, or just their inherit lack of understanding children today and how they act towards each other
@merleawe_
@merleawe_ 2 жыл бұрын
This means the scene where her mother showed her crush the drawings she made of him is real... That is ABSOLUTELY mortifying. But it seems like the director was eventually able to break from her tiger parent, because she's directing an animated film. Doing animation is something even western parents think is a worthless career; so I'm glad she got to do what she loves.
@guacamollie2460
@guacamollie2460 2 жыл бұрын
Wait did he says it was overdramatized? This is absolutely ridiculous lmao
@Chaos-vm7cy
@Chaos-vm7cy 2 жыл бұрын
@@guacamollie2460 He said it was preposterous so it still stands
@itslapisnotbob8368
@itslapisnotbob8368 2 жыл бұрын
@@guacamollie2460 he then contrasted it to another movie which he says has “realistic” family conflict
@loupiote2315
@loupiote2315 2 жыл бұрын
My mom being from a very different culture from the country I live in, she would do super embarrassing stuff too. She *has* told super embarrassing periods-related stories to my friends, and she definitely would tell the person I love that I have a crush on them, even to this day. I get that for people from center-europe or north America, this amount of cringey behavior from parents is just unfathomable, but in some cultures, parents just do act like that
@mollybloxham8028
@mollybloxham8028 2 жыл бұрын
My mom hated this movie, which was kinda sad for me. She said that it was implying that friends are more important than family. I was kind of shocked she saw it that way and didn’t know what to say. I get where she’s coming from, but I think she’s stuck in the viewpoint of the mom in the movie. Alternatively, I really related to it! I totally feel overwhelmed with expectations for being a certain way. The point of the movie is that at times, it feels easier to be yourself around friends than your family because you’re scared of loosing your family or separating yourself from them. That’s why Mei is so scared of turning to her mon and begins avoiding her. Maybe my mom just saw herself as the mom, and was unable to relate to the kids like I did.
@fa1ruz
@fa1ruz 2 жыл бұрын
You have a tiger mom. Stay strong.
@honeysluiced
@honeysluiced 2 жыл бұрын
YES exactly! i'm honestly relieved my mom didn't watch the film with me because I have a feeling she would've hated it too.
@mollybloxham8028
@mollybloxham8028 2 жыл бұрын
@@fa1ruz sometimes it definitely feels that way. I know that like the mom in Turning Red, she does really worry for me and wants the best, and she does love me. She’s not as severe as Mei’s mom, but I do feel really self conscious. I often can’t talk about my interests without her making some kind of comment on how they are a waste of my time. She doesn’t get that I actually do a lot of work and stress about it becoming self reliant, and just have interests outside of that as well. Although since I’ve moved out at started going to college, it’s gotten a lot better (I don’t think I realized how stifled I felt before that). We’ve communicated a lot better and understand each-other a lot more. We talked about the movie a bit more, as she just worries about family/guardian figures being seen as villains rather than the complex people they are. That really is true! It can be easy for a child to see the end scene (I won’t spoil it) as a hero-villain fight. This can lead to children becoming resentful towards their parents with any opposition. But it’s important to see the other side as well. Without this kind of representation, children might not realize that their parents or family aren’t perfect. Every person is complicated. It is easy for people to get stuck in their own concerns and feelings that they often forget those around them. That’s not necessarily a “villain”, but rather a person who needs to talk it out to build understanding, just as my mom and I did. Of course she’s not perfect, but she’s doing better, and I love her so much for that
@nimaizal
@nimaizal 2 жыл бұрын
same. I watched this movie with my mom and younger siblings, and at one scene my mom said something like "poor mom, Mei lied to her". it really shows that she sympathized with the mom, and kinda missing the point the show was getting at :v
@mollybloxham8028
@mollybloxham8028 2 жыл бұрын
@@nimaizal yeah! Like yes, Mei lied and that was bad, but the important part was that she felt she couldn’t tell the truth to her mom
@veeisntcool
@veeisntcool 2 жыл бұрын
“Just because this one cool thing, that’s when people like her?” Yes. That’s how middle schoolers work.
@cdevine9459
@cdevine9459 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@buddygettingnutty8351
@buddygettingnutty8351 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think he knows how middle schoolers works, they are very simple. This one is a flop tbh he could have done more research instead of calling characters "too cartoonish" even though they are not. Just comes off ignorant to me.
@Rachel-xu7jj
@Rachel-xu7jj 2 жыл бұрын
LITERALLY!
@ArloTheSilver
@ArloTheSilver 2 жыл бұрын
Middle Schoolers are vicious If you can do one cool thing, they will milk it till they’re bored with you or you refuse to do it anymore. And after that, they know exactly how to rip out your soul. In the words of John Mulaney,”13 year olds will insult you in an accurate way”
@medaka-chankurokami1882
@medaka-chankurokami1882 2 жыл бұрын
Still a boring movie
@amyparvin3945
@amyparvin3945 2 жыл бұрын
During the end of the movie, I was crying in my mom's arms. She never pushed me hard but my dad did, which is why this this movie hit me right in the feels! Although it was a bit cringey at times, I loved the movie overall especially because young girls can digest it easily. I was EXACTLY like mei mei when I was 13.
@sophhuh2113
@sophhuh2113 2 жыл бұрын
I normally agree with your reviews, but this one just didn't hit, like... How can the panda not "have anything to do with Mei's personality" when the whole point of the movie is "embracing the panda" because that's who she really is, now that she is changing? At least that's how the movie sounded like to me. It was less of a metaphor for a period and more of a metaphor for how we have hidden, "crazy" sides to us that we don't have to be ashamed of. The people who love us will love us regardless.
@jewelsdragonfly
@jewelsdragonfly 2 жыл бұрын
I guess Turning Red meant "being pissed off". Which makes more sense
@Rainsofchange
@Rainsofchange 2 жыл бұрын
What is even more annoying is how Mei specifically monologs about what the panda is all about and asks the audience whether or not they will hide aspects of themselves. Mei literally spells it out at the end, but people are getting way too caught up in the idea of it just being about a girl getting her period...which Mei doesn't even actually get! Her mom asks and she says no, but she runs with the period assumption of her mom's because she doesn't want her mom knowing about turning into a literal animal since she didn't know about the panda lineage at that point. It was probably around the corner with the emotional storms rising, but it was about becoming a woman(an adult) in more ways than the only one people seem to care about with girls.
@dantefarge3369
@dantefarge3369 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah and even mei’s friends talk about how her embracing her panda makes her more happy and free than she ever has been (before she wouldn’t have dared to go out without her moms permission for example) and that why she decides to embrace it bc she is discovering herself and wants to accept her panda and not hiding it like her family
@Butterfly-tw1ej
@Butterfly-tw1ej 2 жыл бұрын
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@EdDevil
@EdDevil 2 жыл бұрын
I agree that the movie is a metaphor for a girl starting her period (puberty in general) but if that's truly the creators intentions then the scene of her taking people into the bathroom to show them her "panda" for money is insane.
@erinjkrizakk
@erinjkrizakk 2 жыл бұрын
this is one of the first times i really disagree with you, Schaff. This was one of my favorites Pixar has ever put out, and i really think the "cringe" elements are intentional and completely to the story's benefit. being 13 is cringey as hell and that is FUNNY AS FUCK. I can definitely see why people either really love this movie or really hate it considering how specific it is, but as someone who was an overachieving 13 year old with dorky friends and a complicated relationship with my family, this was a hit for me. a solid 8/10 !!
@jupiterzombies
@jupiterzombies 2 жыл бұрын
^^^^ this, 100%. i went thru SUCH a cringey emo phase trying to 'rebel' in my own way! it's hilarious and so relatable
@BreeCeesAll
@BreeCeesAll 2 жыл бұрын
This movie made me cry because this is EXACTLY how my mom was, but she never apologized, overly controlling trauma, and strict and hovering all the time, not feeling good enough, it hit hard. I absolutely loved this movie. I always tried to appease my mom, I always put myself last and put my mom first and it destroyed me as a person. I missed out on so many parties, friends hanging out, because of her. Its conflicting when you're young because she doesnt respect you or your privacy or give you room to grow, but then she feeds you a nice dinner or offers to help and youre like "maybe I did mess up disobeying my mom" and the internal conflict of Mei felt real to me I dont think predictability is a bad thing, not everything has to be groundbreaking. This is one of my favorite movies because it resonates with me so much.
@ohwow6640
@ohwow6640 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't allowed to cry because I was watching with my mother, a proud self-proclaimed tiger mom, and she was agreeing with everything Ming was doing and condemning Mei. She kept looking at me several times during the film as if she was trying to warn me about doing anything rebellious like Mei. At 17 years old, I've never raised my voice or answered back at my mom. Pretty sure I cried myself to sleep that night lol.
@MrMule-eg5fg
@MrMule-eg5fg 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, f in the chat Also your mom sounds like the helicopter parent
@MisterIncog
@MisterIncog 2 жыл бұрын
You see, you described the reason why I think the movie is bad. You described real feelings that are so much deeper than what is shown in the film. And movie just playfully skips over them to happy ending. Nobody was thoroughly written, the problem isn’t developed in any way, it is just shown, for a bit. Felt like a cheap attempt to relate on something that is deep without being in any measure deep. It seems it worked judging by people’s reaction
@MrMule-eg5fg
@MrMule-eg5fg 2 жыл бұрын
@@MisterIncog exactly Pixar: Here's a conflict. Us: This is an undeveloped conflict. Pixar: ... Us: Are you going to develop it any? Pixar: Alright I got to go Us: Where are you going? Pixar: See you next year. Us: What the fu-
@helenarosno
@helenarosno 2 жыл бұрын
i know how you feel. my parents believe that family is the most important thing. when mei had that conversation with her mother about how thinking about the people she loved most helped her calm down, but those people were her friends, not her family. my brain was like “loving friends more than family is morally wrong” but that couldn’t be more false. love has no bounds. sometimes you can’t help who you love. sometimes i think that something is wrong with me, why i don’t feel very close to my family or love my parents as much as i should. even tho the target audience is very young, this movie hits hard, but that’s always a good thing
@dewdropart4180
@dewdropart4180 2 жыл бұрын
“how cartoonishly overbearing she was” I wish I thought the same thing when comparing her to my own mother. The scene at the store was so similar to something my mom actually did. It was actually painful to watch 😳
@isabeliturbide7495
@isabeliturbide7495 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta agree with some of these comments. My mom was EXACTLY like her. I don’t know if this is just me, my friends also related to this too. Immigrant families have different beliefs about raising children. It may seem extreme to others but this is just how we were raised. When Mei’s mother went to that cashier guy, I got flashbacks and felt her embarrassment. The ending conversation with Mei and her mom actually made me cry. I really love that I can finally relate myself so much through these characters. I hope others agree with me too.
@jeninesarah7132
@jeninesarah7132 2 жыл бұрын
THATS WHAT I WAS SAYING even if I am not so a Chinese girl but an algerian one I related just a lot about mei and her mother I just really loved this movie for this and almost everything actually
@loveashfan1
@loveashfan1 2 жыл бұрын
omg i had flashbacks too
@thebigstinky6438
@thebigstinky6438 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. The "if I'm not good enough for her, then I'm not good enough for anyone" broke me completely. The other part that destroyed me was when Mei's dad finds that video of her goofing around with her friends in panda-form and was so supportive, a stark contrast to her mother, and it was so devastating because it was something I wish I got growing up...
@Tinky11221
@Tinky11221 2 жыл бұрын
It's not just immigrant families. My friends mother is just as bad and a big reason for that is because she raised her daughter alone in a dangerous city so she really went overboard.
@hunkpapa5843
@hunkpapa5843 2 жыл бұрын
What about sitting out side your classroom watching you, just in case she needed pads. That’s crazy, if your mother was like that I feel bad for you because that’s traumatic imo.
@veronica.gimenez
@veronica.gimenez 2 жыл бұрын
The movie does not only equate periods to turning into a red panda. That's its most surface level interpretation. When you add in the fact that her mom, aunts and grandmother also gave up their pandas at a young age, you realize it can't only symbolize periods. It symbolizes giving up what makes you different, what makes you *you*, to fit into a preexisting mold to make sure you don't stand out too much and not bother anyone.
@alatussolanum
@alatussolanum 2 жыл бұрын
Mhmm.
@AxxLAfriku
@AxxLAfriku 2 жыл бұрын
I recently revealed the genders of my two girlfriends. It got a lot of hate and now has 30 times more dislikes than likes. I am really sad that people can be so mean. Sorry for using your comment to talk about my problems, dear ver
@moooothman7476
@moooothman7476 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I thought so too !! I never really understand when people equate the red panda as periods because that’s not what the movie is saying ?? At least I don’t think so?? To me it was about a side of herself that she hides and/or embraces depending on who she’s with and her journey to embrace that “weird” side of her :D I thought the movie was really fun !!
@cameronweaver2013
@cameronweaver2013 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard the analogy of the panda being related to puberty in general as well
@reneerodriguez7368
@reneerodriguez7368 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I could give up my periods. 😒
@slimeandgrime9626
@slimeandgrime9626 2 жыл бұрын
The whole metaphor wasn't supposed to be for only periods, it was just to illustrate puberty and maturing in general
@UncleHyena
@UncleHyena 2 жыл бұрын
Tbf his point was that Mae, is the only recipient of the metaphor
@AlessaParker
@AlessaParker 2 жыл бұрын
as a Korean, I also saw it as a metaphor for how Asian kids are taught not to show strong negative emotions towards their parents otherwise they're seen as being weak and disrespectful.
@Google_remote
@Google_remote 2 жыл бұрын
@@UncleHyena No? It was made for young teens (mostly girls) going through those changes.
@UncleHyena
@UncleHyena 2 жыл бұрын
@@Google_remote he means within the movie. Guys dw, I’m not one of those exhausting people Schaff is talking about. I’m literally saying that within the context of the movie, only Mae (to an extent) has the panda issue, her other girl peers are Scot free. I’m not necessarily agreeing with this but this is what Schaff thinks let’s down the metaphor. Jee gosh willie OBVIOUSLY, it’s aimed towards pre-teen girls and I love how unapologetic it is with the humour and style. I’m just trying to point out what Schaff meant
@franklinbadge1215
@franklinbadge1215 2 жыл бұрын
Still tho, "Turning Red" had to have been intentional
@MrChannelforwatching
@MrChannelforwatching 2 жыл бұрын
When I heard you say the scene with Mei and her dad was contrived as hell, I literally turned my head up. I've had an extremely similar situation happen to me with my parents. I once had a huge argument with my mum about going to a sleepover with my friends. My dad silently listened while we were both going at it, and I went into my room and cried my eyes out. He later came in and apologised to me about my mum, saying he doesn't know why she's like that sometimes. A lot of Asian dad's don't really know how to handle situations like these and often stay out of it, since they don't want to seem like they're taking sides. But I'm sure a lot of them do observe and understand the amount of pain and struggle their kids go though, and even though they may be awkward and not used to showing emotion, they still do their best to talk to us. I was watching this scene with my entire family and was holding back tears during a lot of scenes. Never in my life have I seen a film hit the nail on the head with these specific problems. Having a big American company like Pixar actually represent families like this is so important.
@TweedleDeem
@TweedleDeem Жыл бұрын
Honestly I think viewing that scene as contrived really shows how taken out of the movie Schaff was. Like I was too busy emotionally resonating with the movie to analyze whether it was a contrivance or not. Not that my brain is empty when I'm watching a movie, far from it, but I was more focused on how relatable the movie was as a child of an immigrant rather than "plot contrivances"
@conkerlive101
@conkerlive101 2 жыл бұрын
"How did Mei's mom not find this stuff if she's so overbearing?" Maybe because Mei lived with that her entire life and knew the things her own mother looks for. That's why she invented the Mathleets and she probably never really checked under her bed which is why she hid the stuff there.
@notatallfunctional
@notatallfunctional 2 жыл бұрын
Mei’s mom is overbearing and controlling, but she also has a lot of trust in her daughter. That may sound contradictory, but let me explain. She think that she’s raised Mei SO well that she’s this perfect angel who wants all the same things she wants. She couldn’t imagine her daughter hiding things, or lying unless someone else making her or something. She’s always done what she’s told and has had good grades. She’s more of a “protective” overbearing.
@jupiterzombies
@jupiterzombies 2 жыл бұрын
kids of helicopter parents become VERY good at lying and hiding... i should know, i was doing the exact same stuff...
@burneraccountx2971
@burneraccountx2971 2 жыл бұрын
I never knew how badly I needed to see an ACCURATE depiction of being a tween girl - goofy, sincere female friendship, dealing with periods, crushes and fangirling, absolutely all of it. There are so many films involving boys’ coming-of-age, from Stand By Me to Luca and they are incredible, too - along with plenty of joking about the grosser stuff (cough American Pie and Co cough). But when has there been such an accurate, true and honestly humanising look at the same for girls? Why is it that what’s considered gross for boys is less taboo than what’s considered gross for girls? I had never even realised until seeing this movie just how much has been blatantly missing from representations of girls’ experiences in film. So much of our presentation centres on desirability, either having it or not having it, so finally, FINALLY seeing what it’s actually like to simply exist from our own perspective/memories of lived experience is shocking. Growing up isn’t all about learning to be mature, beautiful, driven or desirable - all acceptable traits of womanhood. It’s also messy, funny, awkward, gross, and full of evolving relationships. On a really basic level, Turning Red puts to film what every woman already knew: tween girls are just as gross, goofy and connected as tween boys. Its existence goes further and makes a stand for something we might have hesitated to believe: tween girls are just as deserving of having those experiences recognised. Thank you to all who made this film for creating something so true, so real - so hopeful. Reposting this comment bc I hope guys who might be icked out by the film understand its importance!!
@infernityable1369
@infernityable1369 2 жыл бұрын
"Tween girls are just as deserving of having those experiences recognized." As long as you're willing to deal with the sincere judgement, rejection, and dismissal of those experiences than that's fine.
@jaxxis8662
@jaxxis8662 2 жыл бұрын
@@infernityable1369 why doesn’t boys coming of age stories get the same criticism? It’s a double standard
@curloscurlos3362
@curloscurlos3362 2 жыл бұрын
who cares
@afriendlypoltergeist4073
@afriendlypoltergeist4073 2 жыл бұрын
right!!! we need more media like that tbh. only now that i got it i know what i was missing.
@zarpasuave
@zarpasuave 2 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@hurricanejay1777
@hurricanejay1777 2 жыл бұрын
This movie was a targeted attack for me, an Asian-American girl. Mei said stuff that made me jokingly look at my mother while we watched it together, but then Mei said stuff that made it absolutely impossible for me to look at my mother because WOW she hit the nail on the head. The stress of being the only Asian-American (and I will use "American" to mean "North American" here) daughter is apparently a more widely known experience than I thought. I mean, I knew that there had to be somebody else out there who felt it, but to see it in a movie just made me feel so validated.
@NicolaLarosa
@NicolaLarosa 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the parenthetical. Everyone using "American" for "USA citizen" bugs me.
@Iemonic
@Iemonic 2 жыл бұрын
@@NicolaLarosa Everyone using "American" for "USA citizen" shouldnt bug you. We aren't gonna say United States of Americanese or something. Also people are prolly never gonna stop anyway so may as well get over it
@sammycool4049
@sammycool4049 2 жыл бұрын
I like the term “Canmerican”
@MammalianCreature
@MammalianCreature 2 жыл бұрын
@@Iemonic Just seems like people forget Canada exists in North America, and South America is swiftly forgotten.
@saraha.1336
@saraha.1336 2 жыл бұрын
@@MammalianCreature mexico is also in North America. And if yall Canadians have such a problem with EVERYTHING Americans do then stay out of our spaces
@aidancode
@aidancode 2 жыл бұрын
One of my teachers decided to talk about this movie in class, saying that they watched it with their niece but turned it off midway through because they were offended by the girls' actions. This really put a new light on the movie and made me appreciate it a lot more, because for me it's easy to lose sight of the fact that a lot of parents (or in this case, uncles) are very controlling. Do I think the movie is incredible? No. But it tells an important story, and so what if Encanto already did it? The more the merrier.
@onlyonezenn6037
@onlyonezenn6037 2 жыл бұрын
Schaf, you know I love you but as a pasty white girl myself, I couldn’t disagree more with elements of this particular review. I cried full on 3 separate times during this movie bc some dam in me just broke. I did not have helicopter/tiger parents, nor am I asian, but this movie spoke to something in me so deeply I can’t begin to express. The child I used to be that grew into the woman I now am. Maybe it was the pressure I always put on myself to be perfect, maybe the shame I felt for being pubescent and growing into my sexuality; maybe it was the fact that no one should have to hide themselves away in a small cramped place to “fit in”. Being big and messy and is something we’ve been conditioned out of, especially as girls. The whacky animation and comedy suits the emotional tone of being “cringe” and “wild” at age 13. “Turning Red” was a universal story about self acceptance that goes three layers deeper if you are a) a woman b) asian. It’s quite possible it really “wasn’t for you” but I think the Red Panda symbolized much more than puberty. It’s the true self that’s always being told “you are too much” “you are embarrassing” “you need to grow up”. Some people take those comments to heart and seal the beast away and become repressed adults rather than embracing the beast and living wholly as yourself. This movie is meant to be whacky, it’s meant to be honest about how young girls experience growing up. I know you recognized that this movie probably wasn’t your demographic, but a 5/10 is pretty brutal for a movie that spoke so deeply to so many others ❤️🐼
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo 2 жыл бұрын
5/10 is not that bad, And plus he gets turning red A for effort.
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo 2 жыл бұрын
@@appleant1083 But still my point still stands.
@nox12566
@nox12566 2 жыл бұрын
couldn’t agree more with this omg i was looking for a review like yours generational trauma isn’t a new concept explored in movies but I felt that this movie really did do it differently. And the fact that some people are only reading the red panda thing as a metaphor for puberty is kind of dumb, because it obviously goes much deeper than that. i might be biased because the scene where she finds her mother as a little girl crying genuinely made me bawl my eyes out but i feel like this movie is just such a good tribute to young girls and growing up in general
@lepetitmonster8737
@lepetitmonster8737 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite part of this movie is the 2000´s vibe, before cringe culture started to be a problem. I just find it so absurdly accurate for the time the movie is in, and much more for 13 y/o in the early 2000s, before the internet became what it is nowadays. Feels like everyone forgets that.
@LizardKingRequiem
@LizardKingRequiem 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah seriously, to say all of that stuff about perspectives and everything only to immediately say “it’s a 5/10” makes every little disclaimer before just lip service, like it’s a smack to the face. I’m not saying it’s a revolutionary movie, but for some reason he thinks a movie that’s not “pushing the envelope” doesn’t deserve a high rating even if it’s solid?? It really makes no sense to me
@rainyrouge5123
@rainyrouge5123 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think the movie actually handled the helicopter parent trope in an interesting way. For one thing, she had a practical reason to be overbearing. She was being overbearing because she wanted to watch out for the signs of Mei's panda coming out so she could better prepare for it. Also, Mei isn't a rebellious kid who wants to break away from her parents like Ariel. She's always bent over backwards to be a perfect daughter. She gets perfect grades in school, she never misbehaves, and she works at her mother's temple. Something I found clever is that when Mei starts to misbehave, Ming doesn't blame her or punish her because she believes her daughter is pure and perfect and wouldn't actually do that. When Mei draws dirty pictures of the convenience store guy, she assumes that guy did something to her and confronts him with her drawings instead of getting angry at Mei. When Mei starts profiting off of her panda and lying to her mom, she assumes it's all because of Mei's friends who are a bad influence on her. In both of these scenes, she doesn't get mad at Mei at all because she sees Mei the way Mei wants her to see her: her perfect kid who wouldn't do that. And I think what set Ming and Mei's relationship apart from Ariel and Triton's relationship or Nemo and Merlin's relationship is the fact that their relationship isn't strained at the beginning of the movie. Mei feels a lot of pressure to be perfect for her mother, but they clearly have a close, very sweet relationship at least before the whole notebook thing. Look at the way the watch soap operas together while making dinner or work at the temple together. The thing that causes conflict is Mei growing up and changing, which fits with the theme of the movie. That's my two cents. I thought the movie had some tone issues and story issues too, but I thought Mei and Ming's relationship was heartwarming and a really refreshing take on the overprotective parent trope.
@Indie-pendentUser
@Indie-pendentUser 2 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head with this take, that's a perfect summary of this movie's core themes
@MisterIncog
@MisterIncog 2 жыл бұрын
But her mother is literally showed a lunatic that deserves to be in an asylum. It’s an interesting idea to show how overcontrolling parents don’t always lead to antagonization of their children, but that is not how you show it
@floppavevo5920
@floppavevo5920 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who had a helicopter parent I 100% agree with you
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx 2 жыл бұрын
Man I feel those ending scenes where all the lies are revealed to Ming has so much more weight now.
@umbra_kyu
@umbra_kyu 2 жыл бұрын
@@MisterIncog Uh... She didn't do anything that would be deemed "mental asylum" kind of crazy. My mom used to go in schools ALOTTT, was she crazy? No. She made sure i was eating and i had my things. Mei's mom made sure she had pads lmao. Shouldn't have acted sneaky though. Usually staff don't mind if you walk in with permission. Not sure if it was the same in Canada though.
@TheLonelyGoomba
@TheLonelyGoomba 2 жыл бұрын
Genuinely curious. When's the last time you saw a movie that wasn't predictable? This isn't a dig it's just, after a while when you've seen a ton of movies, it's all very predictable and samey really. I really do struggle to think of a movie where I couldn't just plot out the overarching story almost immediately and it ended up pretty close to the actual movie.
@fa1ruz
@fa1ruz 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, being able to predict movie are not a bad thing but idk why the way scraff said in this video it feels like it was a bad thing
@honeysluiced
@honeysluiced 2 жыл бұрын
maybe im an idiot but i was on the edge of my seat during the scene when mei's mom transformed - and the climax of the film took my breath away. i think i was just so excited for this fun new pixar film that it was easier for me to suspend my disbelief? and thus it was less predictable bc i wasnt rlly thinking/theorizing about what would happen next - i was just watching in the moment
@cooldudemcgee4457
@cooldudemcgee4457 2 жыл бұрын
It would say it has less to do with other movies and more with understanding foreshadowing and general movie tropes. Maybe someone who doesn’t watch these movies wouldn’t guess the mom turning into the panda, but other people could because of them watching previous movies.
@CamRunsonFandoms
@CamRunsonFandoms 2 жыл бұрын
I can take this a step further. I took one film class last semester in college, and I'm not a film major, however after taking that class I've begun to notice certain filming techniques that make future plot points very predictable. The last time something was probably jaw droopingly unpredictable for me was probably Infinity War. Even No Way Home was predictable given how much theorizing the internet did on the film.
@cindy4628
@cindy4628 2 жыл бұрын
I felt the same way, the only media that was refreshing where I couldn't predict anything was game of thrones
@Ventiwings
@Ventiwings 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting hearing opinions from a drastically different upbringing. I watched this feeling incredibly and uncomfortably seen. My parents weren't.. as controlling or hands-on as the parents here. Even the aunts gave me flashbacks of how mine acted towards me when I was being pushed to meet rising expectations. They already have an image of you that's just as static as their principles and won't change unless something DRASTIC happens. Which sucks. Bc it's either they change their mindset and realize how they were wrong about you, or they see you have a massive breakdown and recognize that you (the adult in their lives) is the problem or they never change and say that YOU are the problem. The climax was silly, yes, but I feel like it helped make it easier to digest that way. This is how kids feel like their worlds are crumbling when a parent they looked up to just Invalidates what they love. Ofc a giant red panda kaiju battle won't happen but a fight between an overbearing parent who has good intentions but hurtful methods and their child who has done nothing but appease that parent can feel Just Like That. The stakes were in the future of that familial relationship. At this point, Mei's life revolved around her mom's approval. It wasn't until minutes prior that she blatantly disagreed and disobeyed. She has a rush of empowerment and clarity that her mom can't dictate her life and if mom can't listen to reason, then she'll listen to rebellion. And she does. She responds in kind and that helps Mei and the rest recognize Ming's feelings and vulnerabilities. Yes, you could get some of the intention if looked at just the gender aspect but that's not the only thing. It exists alongside the Asian upbringing and its damaging cultural generations and family dynamics. It gave a good representation of 2002 and the teenagers with their hype for boy bands and how innocent it all is. It's just how it was lol I did enjoying the introspection of Schaff but oh boy. Turning Red was A Lot. Thanks to whoever read through all that lol I had a lot of feelings while listening to the video.
@kirbbys
@kirbbys 2 жыл бұрын
i think the "only liking mei because shes a panda" is very relatable. im an artist, and people only ever liked me for that in middle/highschool. i was found weird because of me being autistic and people only wanted to be around me because i could draw well. it reminded me a lot of finding myself (for different reasons) but i found myself crying a lot through this movie just because of how much i related to it. definitely a movie of perspective
@ladynoluck
@ladynoluck 2 жыл бұрын
Right! I also drew, and people would ask me to draw things and then never talk to me again. I was considered “smart,” when I just worked really hard through my ADHD, and people were nice to my face in group projects, but others would share that the group members told them the project would be easy because I’d do everything for them (yeah, bc I didn’t want to fail on their subpar work). Once I was eating lunch with people I thought I was becoming friends with, and I jokingly stole a fry from someone’s tray like everyone else was, and they all gave me a death glare and asked what I was doing. They only liked me when I was quiet and provided them with something, so I immediately got up and left them, embarrassed as hell for thinking they’d be my friends. People definitely can like you for only one thing without actually becoming friends with you. Preteens and teens are kinda notorious for it in my experience.
@KayleeFarnes
@KayleeFarnes 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree! And the way after high school friends quickly disappeared because we were no longer in school together and could benefit from each other. For sure only liking people "because they're a panda" is a real and relatable thing.
@ssy02151
@ssy02151 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah in that aspect other people liking her panda but her mother hating it as well as Mei thinking she shouldn't really do this also makes sense because many parents think doing art may not make a good career. Honestly, as someone whose hobby was drawing, I could definitely see the conflict that way. Liking art is who I am but there are times you wished you would be better at something else
@lyavain2764
@lyavain2764 2 жыл бұрын
Man same... they always want you to draw them too lol. But really kids that age ARE shallow so idk what he meant exactly. That's just kinda how it is being a preteen.
@lovelyfluer
@lovelyfluer 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve experienced that Aswell! It made me quit drawing for awhile because people only wanted to hang with me to draw them something so i stopped. I was around 10 maybe and people would find me weird for that.
@Nightlizard1564
@Nightlizard1564 2 жыл бұрын
This movie really didn’t deserve all that hate it got from Twitter, imo I doubted this movie at first but after watching it I actually enjoyed it. It was a little bizarre lol but we were all at that cringy age before. Overall solid 8/10 film
@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375
@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 2 жыл бұрын
If Twitter hates a movie it means it’s good
@nanashi2146
@nanashi2146 2 жыл бұрын
What ever deserves the hate it gets from Twitter
@nicholas104
@nicholas104 2 жыл бұрын
Any sane person should not be on Twitter anyway.
@SoggySlopster
@SoggySlopster 2 жыл бұрын
This movie was very mid. Generic “hip” pop culture kids written by boomers and a lazy story that’s basically a more domesticated kung fu panda
@aweirdoandaphone4135
@aweirdoandaphone4135 2 жыл бұрын
Well, first off it’s Twitter of course they’re going to hate it. Second of all, I think this is one of the only Pixar movies that genuinely made me cry because of the mother since she reminds me of my mother and the issues I have to deal with. Thirdly although it’s not the best, it’s still pretty enjoyable to watch.
@vilwarin5635
@vilwarin5635 2 жыл бұрын
The panda doesn't represent only her menstruation, is also the change in her personality. The rage and independence most teenagers have without knowing why. Her family members managed to hide that personality change, but May is embracing it Her peers like her more in her "rebel" personality, but she has to find a middle ground
@joevictor53
@joevictor53 2 жыл бұрын
This right here. I'm not a girl but I was still able to relate with Mei. I remember those teenage years where I was emotional and my thoughts were all over the place.
@johndoe4110
@johndoe4110 2 жыл бұрын
@@joevictor53 same, puberty made me confused and angry. So glad it's over.
@LandonEmma
@LandonEmma 2 жыл бұрын
"FURRY = BAD" NOW, GET A LIFE!
@Em_Elizabeth
@Em_Elizabeth 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, something really weird just snaps in your mind as a teen.
@sapphic.flower
@sapphic.flower 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed how a lot of people didn’t realize Mei’s sensitivity came from her panda! The panda is all kinds of puberty stages like body hair, body odour, lower metabolism, and mood swings! But everyone only fixated on the period part 😅
@rykaro69
@rykaro69 2 жыл бұрын
Does a movie need high stakes to be good though? What even are high stakes? Because what aren't high stakes to you (such as seeing a boy band in concert) are the highest stakes to a teenage girl. You say this film was predictable, but for me, it was the biggest breath of fresh air in a while. I've never seen a female character be so unabashedly herself without it being the butt of a joke before. Mei and her friends are all so supportive of each other from the get-go, creating much more positive energy for most of the film. It's ok that you didn't like this movie, but that's because it wasn't made for you.
@Party-noob718
@Party-noob718 2 жыл бұрын
i see "It wasn't made for you" everwhere when someone says something they dislike in the movie bruh.. (English is not my First language)
@seigeengine
@seigeengine Жыл бұрын
Cool, but the average viewer isn't a teenage girl living twenty years in the past.
@whenthemoon
@whenthemoon Жыл бұрын
@@seigeengine The average viewer isn’t a living toy either, but that’s not why people resonate with the Toy Story movies, is it?
@seigeengine
@seigeengine Жыл бұрын
@@whenthemoon Cool, and why do you think little kids resonate with toy story?
@whenthemoon
@whenthemoon Жыл бұрын
@@seigeengine The same reasons that teens and adults resonate with Toy Story, and the same reasons people resonate with Turning Red. The themes, and how one can relate them to their life despite taking place in a different world. You don’t need to be a “teenage girl living twenty years in the past” to feel connected to themes of dealing with growing up, the struggles of having an overbearing parent, learning to balance your own needs and ambitions with what your parents want, and trying to find your place in the world.
@ultpjm4506
@ultpjm4506 2 жыл бұрын
the stakes WERE high. to mei, her family/mom and her boy band concert is everything to a 13 year old girl. they’re her whole world
@alessandroconti380
@alessandroconti380 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh, this movie had way better stakes than Encanto, Encanto's stakes are "Oh no, if we don't fix the candle, everyone in the family will have to live as a powerless normal human, just like... the main character.... or everyone else in the village for the matter......., geez how will they ever recover?" Also nobody else cared, like at all, that they lost their powers, they didn't even need them back
@awsomedude23456
@awsomedude23456 2 жыл бұрын
@@alessandroconti380 if u think that’s what the stakes were, then u missed the point of the movie
@alessandroconti380
@alessandroconti380 2 жыл бұрын
@@awsomedude23456 Then what are? illuminate me
@elderfiend6295
@elderfiend6295 2 жыл бұрын
@@alessandroconti380 The stakes weren’t just that they’d lose their powers, their entire fucking house would crumble to the ground and they’d have to find a new home.
@virgil.6539
@virgil.6539 2 жыл бұрын
@@elderfiend6295 additionally, the powers are literally the representation of how Abuela healed from her trauma and the last thing her husband ever gave to her, his ultimate sacrifice. And the powers are essential parts of the people that have them. Sure it makes them 'above average,' but they didn't do anything to deserve to have those taken away from them. but more so, THE POWERS ARE NOT WHAT'S IMPORTANT. it's about the family's bond breaking and possibly becoming irreparable as a result of the years of abuse and toxic mindsets.
@CarrieTooTired
@CarrieTooTired 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who’s known in high school for being the “weird girl (but she draws good tho),” people liking Mei *only* for the panda is super accurate. Like I literally had a girl immediately stop talking to me just cause I didn’t give my fruit snacks for a day. Or have people at lunch only talking to me because they want a drawing from me. Or how my own friends say my valentine cards aren’t actual valentines a year ago but still want me to draw them cards the next year. Even when they get to know you, sometimes people just don’t mesh well. You can be well liked but still not be popular. Also the generational trauma and pressure from family in this movie is definitely accurate. As a Taiwanese-American girl, my mother would be as overbearing as Ming. It’s the sense that you can’t be yourself in front of them because they judge you for being too weird. They judge your taste in friends, blaming them for “influencing” you. The only thing this film did that my mom didn’t do is her tell me she’s sorry for teaching me to be so hard on myself. This movie gave girls like me a comfort we can’t get in real life.
@CinnamonWithATwist
@CinnamonWithATwist 2 жыл бұрын
big same, the other kids only ever talked to me when there was a group project that involved drawing. suddenly I was everyone's best friend apparently
@jadegreenglasses8468
@jadegreenglasses8468 2 жыл бұрын
My best friend started bullying me, so I left him and started hanging out with my other best friend. My mom, who thought the friend that bullied me was a "Good influence" blamed my less well-behaved friend for "peer pressuring" me. Edit: Once I brought candy out to recess and there was a crowd of people claiming to be my "best friend" and I didn't know their names. Also, I have 2 friends, nobody else XD
@storytrailart
@storytrailart 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, very well said on both points! But absolutely on the topic of being “liked for the one thing you do” vs popularity. Extremely accurate, happened to me too growing up.
@grache6969
@grache6969 2 жыл бұрын
Comparing Turning Red to Encanto is missing the mark. They are two separate films with completely different cultural backgrounds that don't even serve the same purpose. As an Asian being raised by an immigrant mother this movie did a remarkably good job making her believable; I think that a lot of people are lacking the cultural understanding behind a lot of aspects of this movie and I hope more people give it a chance.
@eddiecactus1085
@eddiecactus1085 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen other people say this and I completely agree: if you want to compare this movie with Encanto you should be comparing Mei with Isabela, not Mirabel. Mei is the golden child of the family, not an outcast.
@michaelstrong5383
@michaelstrong5383 2 жыл бұрын
I can see where people are coming from when they compare this to Encanto, but, as Schaffrillas said in the video, unlike the latter, this movie didn't really dig deep into the generational trauma aspect.
@ThatGuy-jc4vr
@ThatGuy-jc4vr 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I wasn't a fan when he called the mom a lunatic and completely unrealistic. Mainly since she's so much like my immigrant parents lmao. I guess it's just a cultural thing so it's fine that he couldn't understand or relate.
@davidwilli5542
@davidwilli5542 2 жыл бұрын
He only compared the generational trauma part of encanto and turning red
@ramonandrajo6348
@ramonandrajo6348 2 жыл бұрын
Whatever. XD
@TigerDragon1001
@TigerDragon1001 2 жыл бұрын
I know other people have said this, but it is really wild that the mother was unrealistic to you because wow, I was cringing so damn hard because Mei’s experiences were painfully relatable. I had an extremely similar experience to the cashier drawing scene. My friend and I drew some Seggsy images, and my mum found them. She brought them over to said friend’s house with HANDWRITING SAMPLES to prove my friend had “forced” me to draw them and needed a strict talking to. It was so humiliating I straight up blocked it out of my memory until my mum brought it up when I was older as a “funny” story.
@xoxoRubenAngel
@xoxoRubenAngel 2 жыл бұрын
As someone with very strict parents growing up, Mei's parents were extremely believable. I also pride myself in usually guessing the plot of most films after a bit, but I was always surprised by the turns this film took. Your spidey senses must have just been more sharp than mine when watching this. it was kind of a slice of slice film but that's okay. Sometimes small stakes can feel gigantic, specially when your parents are super strict. Plus, I'd say that potentially being "cursed" with transforming into something monstrous, is a pretty high stake.
@Aku_Karya
@Aku_Karya 2 жыл бұрын
If your a giant red panda thats out of control you could be put into a zoo or be chucked out into your “natural habitat” or even worse killed in order not to cause trouble. I was really hoping that the movie would have a scene. with pest control or poachers that herd about the red panda. Then the stakes could be more pronounced yknow?
@saltedwounds
@saltedwounds 2 жыл бұрын
@@Aku_Karya same.. but the ending of the movie wouldn’t have really worked with that
@Aku_Karya
@Aku_Karya 2 жыл бұрын
@@saltedwounds wouldve been a new ending entirely.
@missybarbour6885
@missybarbour6885 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I truly don't know how he predicted all that. Maybe film people just refine a skill for it or something idk
@citruslllad
@citruslllad 2 жыл бұрын
honestly, i really appreciate how this movie is just.. unabashedly about weird teenage girls. i'm so sick of seeing girls in movies be shoved into one overused simplified trope after another: lovable tomboyish side-main character, kinda girly needs to be rescued at least a few times character, can kick your ass in high heels character (yes, i'm sick of that, too. nobody can kick ass in high heels). so the fact that this movie was unforgivingly, _unashamedly_ about just.. regular, weird teenage girls who go through puberty and go to boy bands and have _realistic_ parent issues was just.. so, so, so refreshing edit: ok so since a few replies mentioned it let me clarify: obviously there are some people who can kick ass in heels, i exaggerated my wording. i was mostly referring to when directors tried to get women to do "girl power, but with heels!" scenes that ended up with serious accidents because it is _so_ hard sticking a landing with stilts, and it's usually dangerous either way
@pleuriglosse8198
@pleuriglosse8198 2 жыл бұрын
the main reason i didnt like the movie was also the main reason it was good; it was super awkward.
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo 2 жыл бұрын
I may disagree your opinion, But I can see that.
@Shyflyingsaucer
@Shyflyingsaucer 2 жыл бұрын
I can kick ass in high heels. Used to wear 8'' stripper heels around because I was insecure about my height and got pretty good at incoporating my tomboy hobbies with those things. Just because you can't kick ass in high heels...
@christopherkaiser8369
@christopherkaiser8369 2 жыл бұрын
@S V I thought that too. But then I saw the movie was set in 2002 and I didn't think it was that bad. 2002 was when girls were crazy about boy bands. It would he way worse if it was present day
@Andrea-mn8ne
@Andrea-mn8ne 2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherkaiser8369 Yeah, because present day girls aren't totally obsessed with, say, K-POP boybands. Nooo, definitely not. That would be craaaaaazy.
@isabellaadb
@isabellaadb 2 жыл бұрын
I saw a tweet about the comparison with Encanto and I totally agreed - Encanto definitely was very good portraying the family and mirabel’s struggle, but it was more about being the black sheep of the family, while Turning Red focused on the golden child. So I think to be a fair comparison between the two, we’d have to compare Isabela with Meimei - and the latter is definitely more rounded
@_yoshivolts_115
@_yoshivolts_115 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@jessicaHcat
@jessicaHcat 2 жыл бұрын
OMG now I'm imagining Isabella secretly acting like Mei Mei 😂
@andreafraustoz
@andreafraustoz 2 жыл бұрын
Antonio was given coatis that reminds me of red pandas, deja vu.
@fortcolors9887
@fortcolors9887 2 жыл бұрын
Huh. That's a very interesting point, and now that you mention it I think you're absolutely correct.
@MirellaSnape
@MirellaSnape 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly like Abuela blamed Mirabel when Isabela sung What Else Can I Do? where she was having the time of her life with her sister but not acting as Abuela's perfect flower girl, and how Meimei's mum blamed her daughter's friend because obviously her perfect golden child wouldn't think about acting that way.
@michelleboon7646
@michelleboon7646 2 жыл бұрын
As an Asian Canadian girl, I adored this movie as a love letter to tween girls in the aughts, and especially for how it tackles Asian women and the suppression of emotion. Like many people have pointed out, the panda is a metaphor for expressing feelings authentically rather than suppressing them. Women and Asian women, particularly, tend to suppress their feelings at the expense of their mental health, so I found it extremely powerful when Mei's grandmother and aunties smashed their coveted amulets to help Ming complete the panda ritual. They chose to panda-out; they chose to feel all that unbridled feeling they were told to suppress to help their family member, which subverts the opposing myth in many Asian households that to support your family, you have to swallow your feelings and appear to be perfect. Even though everyone but Mei chooses to contain their panda, I think that's reflective of their generational gap. Her grandmother and mother's generation have been living separated from their pandas all this time, separating themselves from those intense emotions, and that's how they've grown comfortable living. Meanwhile Mei is young and gets to decide after reaching a common understanding with her mom, and showing that generational progress gives you the sense that there's even more hope for Mei's children if she has them. That they won't just have a choice, but that choice will be an even easier one. And there has been transformation in the older generation. Ming's panda in a tamagotchi is (maybe unintentionally, but beautifully so) symbolic of her being more attentive to her own feelings, as it's something she can't neglect; she consistently feeds and takes care of it. Even the silliness of the grandmother's 4-town necklace makes her panda more accessible. It's not a sacred piece of antique looking jewelry that you have to be careful around, it's a tacky fangirl piece that you can handle with less worry. Speaking as part of the key demo (an Asian grly who grew up around Toronto) this movie is a fat chef's kiss, and the 4-town songs are absolute bangers.
@dylanpham9995
@dylanpham9995 2 жыл бұрын
The generational trauma in this movie is different than Encanto and for me, is more relatable maybe it’s because I was an Asian child who grew up with similar experiences. And just like with Luca, I like how the stakes were toned down, from experience, it was actual quite real and I love how they didn’t really exaggerate. Even the part where the mom shows Devon the drawings, it’s definitely something my mom would do (maybe not the same day but probably the day later)
@dinelperera412
@dinelperera412 2 жыл бұрын
Im an asian too but i find encanto relatable
@agustinvenegas5238
@agustinvenegas5238 2 жыл бұрын
@@dinelperera412 funily enough i'm from latin america and liked red a lot more than i thought of encanto (i didn't like encanto)
@lDaNu
@lDaNu 2 жыл бұрын
The generational trauma form Encanto comes from guerrillas and violence while Turning Red's one seems to be more based around asian culture and/or repressing their emotions to strive for perfection. Maybe that's the reason some people resonate better to one than the other.
@kiarime
@kiarime 2 жыл бұрын
@@agustinvenegas5238 people like different stuff for me turning re was my fav
@monavieuk4521
@monavieuk4521 2 жыл бұрын
there were stakes though?? for mei, her relationship with her mom and her love and approval was at stake and she was scared to lose those things. even says that to her friends at the concert when she makes up with them. that’s why she keeps everything a secret from her mom. and towards the end of the movie in the scene where mei and her family are in the bamboo forest, she literally says to her mom that she’s scared that growing up will take her away from her. so there definitely were stakes in the movie. her hitting puberty and growing up into her own person is her challenge bc when she was a child she was obedient and docile and “perfect,” and she’s scared of tarnishing her moms perception of her as she grows. mei even said that her mom wouldn’t even look at her when she was in her panda form in the scene where her friends first find her red panda. in the conclusion of the movie she and her mom finally come to terms with her keeping her panda, she says she does “miss how things used to be (before her red panda,) but nothing stays the same forever.”
@alessandroconti380
@alessandroconti380 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh, this movie had way better stakes than Encanto, Encanto's stakes are "Oh no, if we don't fix the candle, everyone in the family will have to live as a powerless normal human, just like... the main character.... or everyone else in the village for the matter......., geez how will they ever recover?" Also nobody else cared, like at all, that they lost their powers, they didn't even need them back
@sunnyseas6
@sunnyseas6 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the mom was unrealistically overbearing speaking as someone who's mom would come to my classroom and have a fight with the school guard to bring me my lunch. I personally loved the movie, it felt so authentic to the way I grew up and my relationship with my mom. Boy bands, friends, cringe and goofiness, thinking the world would end if you disappointed your mom, a lot of the movie felt like I was looking back at 13 y.o me and it made me so emotional even if people who can't relate to the experience think it's predictable.
@teddybacon1483
@teddybacon1483 2 жыл бұрын
I had a strict, religious mother, and honestly, despite being cartoony, mei’s mom was just like her. This is the kind of stuff she would do to me.
@Arianddu
@Arianddu 2 жыл бұрын
"When a movie is so rooted in a certain cultural context..." There. Right there. That's where you show exactly how much you missed the point, and why we need more movies that don't centre boys, especially read-as-white boys as the protagonists. I'm a pasty white, Australian born Euromutt about to turn 50, and this is the *first* movie I've seen in my life that connects with how it *feels* to be a girl going through puberty. And I suspect that is why you don't connect with the movie - you've never been asked to put yourself into the emotional space of a pubescent girl, and you have no reason to. The fact that the characters are Asian and Canadian has some relevance to the story, but you don't need to be rooted in that culture to understand the experience and the emotions - any more than you need to be a fish to understand the central concern of Finding Nemo.
@Punkini
@Punkini 2 жыл бұрын
This. White men are so used to everything being specifically about and for them, anything that doesnt is automatically bad because it isnt relatable to THEM. And if anyone else says they dont like something because they cant relate to white male protags, we get called too sensitive and whiny. This whole review is just very telling in a bad way about how a lot of white men see media as a whole. Its for THEM. They dont want anyone else having a starring role in THEIR industry.
@Crowboneboy
@Crowboneboy 11 ай бұрын
I could kiss you on the mouth for this comment. NO ONE mentioned this, you're the only one that pointed out possible reasons on why this reviewer didn't feel "connected" to this movie
@bysolriver
@bysolriver 6 ай бұрын
THANK YOU. I'm tired of people being like "I couldn't connect to it" BC IT WASN'T MEANT FOR YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT'S NOT FOR MEN, IT'S FOR WOMEN WHO A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN THOSE TWEENS AND HAD TO "HIDE" OURSELVES TO BE COMPLIANT TO SOCIETY AS A WHOLE FFS. I'M TIRED OF WOMEN HAVING TO PUT THEMSELVES IN MEN'S SHOES IN EVERY PIECE OF MEDIA AND THE ONE TIME YOU ASK THEM TO DO THE SAME THEY JUST SAY IT'S "UNREALISTIC AND BAD". This topic makes my blood boil.
@iRazenrak
@iRazenrak 2 жыл бұрын
The period analogy was an intentional red herring. It's less about periods and more about owning your unique quirks. That being said, Mei seems very normal. She's nowhere near as weird as like, Lilo from Lilo & Stitch, or Bonnie from Toy Story 4.
@LolsTheGreatAndPowerful
@LolsTheGreatAndPowerful 2 жыл бұрын
a very enterprising, slightly annoying young lady
@violetta698
@violetta698 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh "cartoonishly overbearing" parents aren't too unbelievable, at least when it comes to Asian (or Asian diaspora) parents. Was it maybe a little exaggerated? Yes. But does it represent how a pre-teen/teen girl would perceive the "embarrassing" actions of her overbearing parent? I think so.
@whoopthy
@whoopthy 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, just Helicopter parents in general
@Snowapplyby
@Snowapplyby 2 жыл бұрын
Also just sort of a dude version of growing up, so it's kinda fair you don't relate 110% Sorry this comment got cut via KZbin, by dude I meant dudette actually and that is here now so.... * ...just sort of a dudette version of growing up, so it's kinda fair that you don't relate 110% but, like females actually do go through that puberty phase too. We just don't pop a tent at random or decide to fight people. It's quieter because we absolutely must make it quiet and parents don't always help because hey! We're quiet about it, we're not shaking the boat. Hence, le giant red panda that is inopportune and can be calmed into a human via love and comfort and acceptance is totally realistic and seriously relatable.
@Rachelkipper
@Rachelkipper 2 жыл бұрын
I remember my dad was like this and justified it by saying I was a girl, and saying I get “a different level of care”
@michaelcaboose9604
@michaelcaboose9604 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! When he said it was unrealistic or he's never seen anyone act like this (paraphrasing) in my head, I just thought "has he ever met one of those asian parents?" Kind of as a joke. But I'm asian and mixed and it's so true. I also really felt connected to the other family members too, they felt like my family and I really liked that
@ziyad1809
@ziyad1809 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah lol, especially cuz Mitchell Vs the Machines, which I really enjoyed, had a parenting dynamic that was totally unrelatable to me, but i still was able to appreciate it and I didn't dismiss it as unrealistic
@benjaminwebster4482
@benjaminwebster4482 2 жыл бұрын
As an African American child growing up I can say that parents do indeed have the tendency to be overbearing to the point where you no longer think it's necessary to tell them everything that's going on in your life for fear of being judged or corrected on it. I related to that specific scene a great deal
@thareelhelloagain
@thareelhelloagain 2 жыл бұрын
I don't tell my parents a damn thing now. I barely even talk to them because of how abusive they were to me growing up. I hated how this movie seemed to say that your relationship with your insanely strict, toxic parent is more important than your own mental health and happiness. I'm much happier now that I don't have much of a relationship with my parents.
@benjaminwebster4482
@benjaminwebster4482 2 жыл бұрын
@@thareelhelloagain Try sending 'em a text message explaining how you feel. They'll text back angry texts. They'll bring up all they've done for you and this is how you repay them. As long as u don't snap back and keep cool, they eventually have to ACKNOWLEDGE your feelings before they ignore them. Even if they don't understand, it'll be a weight of your chest to get rid of all that negative energy. I did it and my relationship with my mom is much better. Give it a shot. If it doesn't work, at least they know
@thareelhelloagain
@thareelhelloagain 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminwebster4482 I've done more than that. I've done as much as get them to come to counseling with me. It did not work. They did not listen. But thank you for the advice. Sometimes parents are too stubborn to acknowledge their abuse.
@benjaminwebster4482
@benjaminwebster4482 2 жыл бұрын
@@thareelhelloagain np bro best of luck
@jamssy3409
@jamssy3409 2 жыл бұрын
@@thareelhelloagain but the movie did exactly the opposite? Or did I have the wrong impression of the movie
@lavendermenace8078
@lavendermenace8078 Жыл бұрын
I think the thing that really gets me is that even if your relationship with your parents wasn’t like this, that you didn’t know anyone growing up that DID have parents like Ming. All my friends had parents that have wildly different parenting styles, flaws and behaviours. While my mom is very similar to Ming, most of my friends had different struggles like abuse, neglect, absent parents, over controlling, ridiculous expectations. Even tho we didn’t all have the same experiences, that never invalidated the other person or minimized their struggles. It was never weird that my friend had a neglectful parent cause I had a helicopter parent even with them being different experiences. idk if I’m explaining it right, but I’m just genuinely confused how you didn’t know anyone who had a parent who was even kinda like this cause to me it feels super hella common
@donnamitsuki281
@donnamitsuki281 2 жыл бұрын
I find absurd so many people tried to argue "no child acts like that,no child would do that" when it's a complete lie. I remember being 13 and doing extremely cringe stuff,Mei's drawings in her notebook? Yup that was me,obsessing over characters for the first time. It was a fun charming movie,I appreciate this refreshing direction Pixar is going in,and I appreciate that it seems instead of twist villains,now we're getting antagonists. Abuela and Ming are two characters I love to discuss about,since despite their actions still causing harm,their intentions where never evil,and they grow from realizing and admitting their mistakes. This also makes me realize both Latino and Asian families are very alike and have more in common than I ever thought,I wonder why that is.
@ratonagotica9447
@ratonagotica9447 2 жыл бұрын
Latina (peruvian) here, I agree 100%
@justintimefordinner4902
@justintimefordinner4902 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of this stuff just comes from POC families coming from a background of being an outsider and having to be more cautious because of it
@gabrielacarrillo1740
@gabrielacarrillo1740 2 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people who come from collectivist cultures can relate. Also that is just selective memory. Holy smokes I was cringe like MeiMei as a preteen/teen. Everyone out here acting like they never drew/wrote/read fanfiction at that age lol
@rickastley3045
@rickastley3045 2 жыл бұрын
Add Arab families to the mix, and from what I’ve heard, Indian families too. Honestly at this point I think that Western/European families are the outlier, the rest are like this. Since most of us English speakers live in European countries (+the US and Canada) we see stuff from the lens of that population. We think what is normal here is normal everywhere, and everything else is an outlier, when that isn’t true.
@toxoplasmagondi
@toxoplasmagondi 2 жыл бұрын
i was way cringier than mei at her age. this movie actually toned it down lmao
@a.l.b.324
@a.l.b.324 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this should be pointed out, the Panda isn't a metaphor for periods, it's a metaphor for living your emotions to their fullest, which is a thing a lot of kids (especially girls, and from what I'm reading in the comments, ESPECIALLY asian girls) are taught to repress from a young age. It's funny people are saying "It's a movie about periods!!!" (something that's only just used as a funny misunderstanding in the first part of the movie) when "are you on your periods?" is one of the most common questions girls get asked when they get overly emotional.
@highonshortcake6375
@highonshortcake6375 2 жыл бұрын
This is so true
@sweetdreams1678
@sweetdreams1678 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying this
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow 2 жыл бұрын
“Overly” ie a way that makes the majority uncomfortable
@CreatorsHubCreates
@CreatorsHubCreates 2 жыл бұрын
He did point it out
@yen0705
@yen0705 2 жыл бұрын
Spot om
@SinsandVices
@SinsandVices 2 жыл бұрын
When I watched this film and we got to the "the mom was so unrealistic" part I just screamed in disagreement with every example he gave. This is so accurate to my experience and I am glad I am not the only one.
@Kooki_Mawnster
@Kooki_Mawnster 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest I had no idea whether it was unrealistic or not because I didn't want to assume, but I did think it was pretty insane and that I'd die from embarrassment as Mei did and kept saying "Oh my god that's so embarassing!!". But then I saw many other commenters like yourself saying it happened to you all and was just astounded. Then I read someone saying that it happened to the film makers as well. Man I feel for yall
@belushibelushi3841
@belushibelushi3841 2 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly! The mom was so accurate to my mom.
@ohwow6640
@ohwow6640 2 жыл бұрын
I watched this with my mom and the both of us agreed that this movie was pretty accurate on that part :')
@sunnystar-km4td
@sunnystar-km4td 2 жыл бұрын
LOL it really shows when people who didnt grow up under unreasonably strict parents say things like "OH THIS IS UNREALISTIC" when they watch turning red.. like what do you mean that IS the reality for kids with strict family we really have to beg for the minimum
@shaniatreyu9303
@shaniatreyu9303 2 жыл бұрын
Big surprise that a white man has a shit take about asian teenage girls.
@zohy98
@zohy98 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, when I first saw it I could feel the 13 year old in me hyperventilating from being seen here. I was actually so stunned afterward, I rewatched it the next day to try and pinpoint everything I related so strongly to. From being an immigrant family and puberty, to developing a new relationship with your parents as you age and generational trauma - I could relate and see myself everywhere I looked.
@TheRibottoStudios
@TheRibottoStudios 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think we've ever had a Pixar or Disney movie where the kids were just....Kids. I'm not sure Luca counts with the kids are fish people. Here....just kids. With one able to turn into a panda. Like the stakes here were just the same as that of Luca. The guys just wanted a moped. The girls just wanted to go to a concert. I'm white myself, and had a pretty chill mom, so couldn't relate to Mei in THAT way, but I have friends who have tiger parents. The mom was NOT cartoonish. I could relate to Mei in other ways. Being the weird one, the one who has only a select few friends that you're super close with...Pixar movies are getting more and more personable. And I think we need more of that-just....stories. Not everything needs to be BIG AND EPIC. Sometimes you just want to go to a concert. Sometimes you just want a moped. Sometimes, you just want to be a cook. For me, the only thing I didn't like is that Tyler didn't even apologize for the crap he said, not about Mei, BUT HER FAMILY AND CULTURE. With so many movies now about taking accountability for past mistakes, the fact that they just accept the bully into the group without even the bully going "I'm sorry for what I said." it reminds me too much of Namaari not apologizing and just being accepted which I hate. OTHER than that, I loved it. I loved the cringe on the second watch cause I knew what to expect, and was like "sure this is how kids are-they're cringe." I love the friend group and that they just accept her for being a big red panda, cause they EASILY could've gone with the trope of "oh no, everyone hates her for being DIFFERENT." As a way to relate to her race but they subvert that nicely. I think this film will be very divisive though-either you're gonna love it, or not.
@lahlybird895
@lahlybird895 2 жыл бұрын
He did Apologize I said sorry when he was asking her to get off and you could hear it in his voice I think he might have generally meant it and even if he was lying but still more than namari ever did
@edenp3268
@edenp3268 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to see other people feel the same way about tyler! while i understand kids can say mean things to each other and make up, his comment on her "freak" or weird family and traditions cut deep, and i feel like kids should be shown that you should apologize in those type of situations too. yes, mei-mei should apologize for hurting him physically, but what he said was pretty hurtful as well... it's just not visible damage
@catnotvaxxed1842
@catnotvaxxed1842 2 жыл бұрын
@@lahlybird895 that’s true, but I think he only said sorry because he wanted her to get off of him and not hurt him. Either way, it would’ve been better if he gave a proper apology (like for insulting her family and culture) during the concert and not when he’s in danger being forced to say it.
@boodledemic6430
@boodledemic6430 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine thinking you can’t have a tiger parent because you’re white? Lol imagine thinking you can’t experience something just because you’re a certain race
@TheRibottoStudios
@TheRibottoStudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@boodledemic6430 dude that's...kinda the point in all of us being different. I WON'T have the same experience in America or anywhere compared to an Asian Canadian. That's what I meant and you know it. Don't get it twisted. Most tiger parents are Asian but that doesn't mean they aren't rich pompous white people either. The reason why tiger parents are usually NOT white is cause THEY HAVE TO WORK EXTRA HARD to prove they can succeed compared to white people.
@KuncanDastner
@KuncanDastner 2 жыл бұрын
Is this movie predictable? or have we just seen this story because we're older, because maybe less exposure to these beats would increase someone's enjoyment of the movie (especially if they're younger!)
@_yoshivolts_115
@_yoshivolts_115 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't predict most of the plot, not until the mothers necklace cracked and I saw the grandmother's scar, only then did I see what was about to happen, the movie was very different than what I first expected.
@PrincessFelicie
@PrincessFelicie 2 жыл бұрын
Never mistake your own media literacy with predictability. Critics and media buffs will always be able to know what makes a story good, and follow the structure of media to know how events will unfold before they happen. General audiences can be very different beasts from critics and artists. Of course that's not to say non-artists are "dumb" or that a piece of media _can't_ be predictable in detrimental ways, but story beats that fit a "natural" progression aren't bad in themselves.
@biscatt
@biscatt 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s nice that the story is simpler it allows you to focus on the charaters and the emotions, the driving force of this film, and not have to worry about any plot twists, it’s predictable and been don’t before because it’s a good way to tell story where the charaters are the focus
@Misty_Haze
@Misty_Haze 2 жыл бұрын
@@_yoshivolts_115 Mhm same, except It took me this video to realize about the scar
@annim.2611
@annim.2611 2 жыл бұрын
hey duncan, i love u
@user-ih1xn1js1p
@user-ih1xn1js1p 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this review! I like that Schaff couched everything in the fact that it's his opinion, and to listen to the people who this movie represents. So, as an asian American weirdo with a cringe 8th grade Kpop phase, here are my 2 cents. 1. Mothers definitely have acted that crazy. My friend's moms have literally pulled the 'looking into your classroom from the window' and gone off on teachers for no reason. 2. As for why the kids only like her as a panda at 3:10, isn't that just normal teen popularity? Also, I think it would further muddy the message for other people to get to know her; the key is that she learns/teachers her mother self acceptance. 3. I'm realllllllllllly sick of Asian rep having to martial arts epics set in 300 BC. Like with Mulan, raya, hell even avatar, there's so little English media that represents the asian experience in a realistic way. That kinda ties into the stakes comment-I feel like if it were something more serious like Encanto, where the family magic would die, I'd kind of tune out. But opening up to my family?! YEESH that's seriously mortifying. It just felt so much like my life that her embarrassment was 100% mine, so it makes sense that it was hard to get into. The discourse on this movie sucks because a lot of the justifiable tonal issues are inextricably linked to the relatability to (and therefore validity of) the Asian American experience. But like Schaff said, there are other similar films that seem to uniformly grip everyone, so it's just a matter of opinion. Reminder to not be rude at people who disagree!!
@monicaenglish2566
@monicaenglish2566 2 жыл бұрын
Her turning into a panda was not about getting her period and then just taking it away with the ritual. Heck, if that were a thing all us girls would jump at the chance of not having cramps and bleeding out every month. The point of the panda was that she was discovering her true self and that side of her was considered not good enough and shouldn’t exist or be put away. I’m sure there are many of us who felt they had to keep their true selves a secret or locked in for fear of rejection or that we wouldn’t live up to our families unrealistic standards and the pressure that gets put on us for trying to be perfect. As someone having grown up in a Mexican household and having a mom who was strict while expecting so much from me, I totally related to this movie a lot!
@sunl6539
@sunl6539 2 жыл бұрын
YES! Thank you, the Red Panda isn’t a metaphor for periods, I don’t understand how everyone keeps conflating that. The period thing was discussed for like 10 mins and then the theme shifted into Mei trying accept this part of herself and trying to find a balance from her mothers expectations, the panda is NOT a representation about periods.
@DirtyNoodless
@DirtyNoodless 2 жыл бұрын
The panda being a metaphor for growing up and periods at the same time was mind blowing and amazing, I WISH I was a red panda
@eddiecactus1085
@eddiecactus1085 2 жыл бұрын
I mean seriously. Did the people who say this even watch the movie? It’s such an obvious metaphor for puberty and identity that I honestly have no idea how anyone could think it’s just a period analogy.
@alexblurphy5800
@alexblurphy5800 2 жыл бұрын
@today was a good day i am a satanist
@merlumili
@merlumili 2 жыл бұрын
Yea! I feel like the period thing was just a little joke about that first time you get it, but nothing more. By the time she shows the panda to her friends, it's pretty obvious what it's actually supposed to mean (especially since the friends love it but the mom wants it gone)
@soap_eater4517
@soap_eater4517 2 жыл бұрын
They said "stripper" "sexy" and "drugs" in this Pixar movie intended for children, so it's a good one in my book
@thenotoriousc.h.a.s.e
@thenotoriousc.h.a.s.e 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@michaelstrong5383
@michaelstrong5383 2 жыл бұрын
The "stripper" part took me by surprise. This movie really earned the PG rating.
@alam4359
@alam4359 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't they also say "crap" like two times?
@soupdoggo__
@soupdoggo__ 2 жыл бұрын
8 minutes with 150 likes, good job
@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375
@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 2 жыл бұрын
This Movie is more raunchy than any normal Pixar movie, and I mean is it any suprise we literally had a guy getting turned to ribbons in Incredibles and Hopper gettimg eaten alive in Bugs Life
@jmrsdn6907
@jmrsdn6907 2 жыл бұрын
I found it interesting how neither “party” was the right choice. Her friends don’t have the ability to nurture mei, and her parents don’t have the maturity to let her grow. Mei’s choice between the two of them shows when she feels overly anxious at the family dinners, but makes dumb choices at Tyler’s birthday. In the end she realizes that she needs a little bit of both! That saved this movie from being flat to me.
@A_Strawberry
@A_Strawberry 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like mei's mom waving the box of pads in front of the entire class is one of the most relatable kinds of embarrassing moments. Like when I was at Disney world and told my mom I needed a pad, she then told my stepdad who screamed for the entire park to hear "does anyone have a pad/tampon?" It was the most embarrassing moments in my life and I know excatly how mei felt when the box was being waved in front of the class. Even if she did buzz in, being handed a box of pads in front of everyone would still be equally as embarrassing and feel the excat same way.
@dreamcatcher4165
@dreamcatcher4165 2 жыл бұрын
As a 20 year old, watching this movie was very cathartic to me personally. Though I am not asian (I am Latin American) watching mei and her interacting with her mom and living her life with her besties honestly felt like I was watching 13 year old me. I think what really makes this movie special is how it treats Mei and her friends and their interests. We live in a time where tween/teen girls are just really hated unprovoked, our interests were always made fun of and minimized. This movie treats the interests of their characters with the upmost respect. Like even now I would say the whole concert goal would be no big deal, but this movie made me feel like it was a major deal and nothing to sneeze at.
@lemontea3434
@lemontea3434 2 жыл бұрын
I'm Latin American too, and I really felt too connected to Mei, because the way Mei's mother treated her, it was similar how my dad treated me. In my home I was his perfect kid, quiet, responsable, and always bringing excellent grades to home and always looking that I never caused any trouble. But with my friends I was free, with me being a 13 year old kid; enjoying my "cringy" likes, always hiding them from my family... I just was able to be myself when I turned an adult, thanks to my younger siblings because at least they were able to express without fear their likes and I took that as a inspiration 😊
@Lucia-ct2sj
@Lucia-ct2sj 2 жыл бұрын
GIRL I'M 20 AND FROM LATIN AMERICA TOO AKSBISS and honestly I agree with everything you said. I LOVED this movie and I related so much to the characters, their tastes and pasion, it was so refreshing and nostalgic and sweet
@kaylewolf
@kaylewolf 2 жыл бұрын
Hey I am 20 as well hehe
@FeyPax
@FeyPax 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. It really took me back personally
@esmevigil23
@esmevigil23 2 жыл бұрын
Same here
@josephinechicharo-bachour5362
@josephinechicharo-bachour5362 2 жыл бұрын
The kids being nice to her when she's a panda but not getting to know her beyond that is SO RELATABLE, especially for 13 year olds!! I have a friend who through Jr. High dressed in comfy clothes and never didn't much with her appearance, and all the other kids kind of ignored her. It was only on the day she was helping someone with their cosmetology practice where she had makeup and her hair curled that the most popular girl in our grade came up to her and spoke to her!! Kids in their early teens will only associate with you when you have something cool or you fit the box they want you in. So to me it's 100% plausible, if not inevitable, that the rest of her peers didn't want to know the real her. I'm just glad they didn't do the predictable "everybody likes me now, I'm gonna be a red panda for others and ignore my friends from now on" shtick.
@aestheticshh5136
@aestheticshh5136 2 жыл бұрын
I’m going to be honest, as someone who has a sister who is thirteen and has to watch her and her friends 24/7 (I’m their chauffeur basically lmao), middle schoolers would not have taken her turning into a giant red panda well. 100% would have ostracized her as ‘weird’ more so than ‘cool’. Middle schoolers are mean
@broccoli9678
@broccoli9678 2 жыл бұрын
im west asian and i found a whole crap ton of turning red relatable, especially in family dynamics-- when mei was talking at the beginning of the movie about how parents do so much so they expect everything as the bare minimum, i could not even express how much i relate to that; im lucky that in my circumstance, my mom isn't very involved as she used to be now that i've gotten older, but i still couldn't believe it also, when you said mei's mom had no self awareness like whatsoever, that is fairly accurate to IRL, it was definitely exaggerated to some extent, but there is definitely a collective lack of self-awareness, stubbornness, and irrationality among (at least) most west asian moms, but from what i've heard from a few friends who are east asian, their moms are the same way
@skelebonez1349
@skelebonez1349 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not even west Asian and a teenage guy and I can still relate to turning red for lots of reasons. And something I kinda am annoyed by is how he does use that idea sometimes for some characters when... those kinds of people DO exist. My mom for example believes in what’s called “the divine right” where she believes she’s a king chosen by god without realizing how irrational and stubborn that is alone.
@LarryWater
@LarryWater 2 жыл бұрын
I'm asian-american, and I couldn't relate. My mom was never too strict.
@rickydinto
@rickydinto 2 жыл бұрын
I'm West Asian: 😎 I'm Middle Eastern: 🗿
@wanded
@wanded 2 жыл бұрын
imo those moms are the reason asians are the most successful group who earn the most in the US, maybe it's not worth the money but you can't have it all it's a trade
@androgynousbutter1373
@androgynousbutter1373 2 жыл бұрын
south east asian moms are also the same way 😪
@velvet._.87
@velvet._.87 10 ай бұрын
If I'm being honest, when these two movies came out I watched both with my mom. My mom's Colombian and I really wanted to watch Encanto because it was showing Colombian culture. After watching Encanto though we both found it lack luster... some of he songs were great others were a miss, we both felt like it was missing something but we didn't know what. When we watched Turning Red though, we both loved it so so much. I've never felt a movie portray what it's like being a 13 year old girl so well that I felt really emotionally moved by it and my mom did too. We related to both Mei and her mother in different ways and it honestly felt really really heartwarming to see this beautiful story told. To me Turning Red is a great movie and left me more satisfied with it's ending than Encanto did. Encanto is still a good movie, it just didn't compare to Turning Red for me and my mom
@LaLaLaLaNom
@LaLaLaLaNom 2 жыл бұрын
No, the mother wasn’t ‘cartoonishly’ overbearing at all. I’m black and my mother was just as insanely strict. Things like breaking a friend’s Destiny’s Child CD I was narrowing because she thought the music wasn’t appropriate for a pre-teen, then sending me back to school with the broken CD to give it back to the friend with a note to her parents… That kind of shit is too realistic.
@missmadyreads
@missmadyreads 2 жыл бұрын
For real I was watching the movie with my mom and when Mei's mom made a scene in front of the store Clerk my mom was like "this is something my mother would have done" and she was dead serious, and I fully agreed. Mothers can be like this so I didn't find Mei's mom to be unrealistically overbearing at all.
@gogeta5303
@gogeta5303 2 жыл бұрын
Say it with me: _Just because it happened to you, doesn't mean it's universal._
@BrotherhoodforLife277
@BrotherhoodforLife277 2 жыл бұрын
Also say it with me: just because you because you put a quote doesnt make it smart or true.
@gogeta5303
@gogeta5303 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrotherhoodforLife277 what about my statement is untrue, pray tell?
@dedrick7949
@dedrick7949 2 жыл бұрын
@@gogeta5303 they’re not saying it’s universal, they’re commenting that mothers like this DO exist and are more common than people might believe.
@bwolos1
@bwolos1 2 жыл бұрын
I can promise you that the mother's actions ARE unfortunately realistic. I had a mother just like that. She DEFINITELY would have done what this mom does if I'd been an artist and drew something like that.
@cordelianelson8209
@cordelianelson8209 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly cried every time I watched Turning Red. I'm not Asian, I am not Canadian, but I am a woman who grew up with helicopter parents in the early 2000s. The scene where the mom finds her drawings actually happened to me, and the way that the movie seems to bend reality is a good representation of what Someone can experience if they have trouble with their parents in this way. We often have trouble connecting to our emotions because everything is taken care of for us, and life is easy until we grow up or are told by someone else to grow up. It is clear throughout the movie that while Mei's mother provided for her, she was also projecting herself onto her (thus making the "I lied" scene very impactful). This is what the movie sets out to resolve, Mei's mother must realize that she needs to be her own person, and to choose to stick with the panda is just one of many decisions that sets her apart from the rest of the family as her own person. This may be something that happens more to women as a social stigma in the US and Canada, but I think it is much more pervasive and widespread than most people think. While people expect men to take power and be their own person, women are expected to be mothers, but not just a mother, they are expected to be like their own mothers (this is not true for everyone, but certainly in my own experience). The movie also focuses on the community aspect, and the solution they give is for Mei to help her mother out of it. I think that this may be more parentification than a solution, but I also think that one shouldn't leave their mom alone entirely in Mei's situation. This movie gave me a lot to think about as a woman and I think that is what makes Turning Red a powerful movie, especially for women.
@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748
@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I too cried when watching the movie. I agree with the points you made.
@slurples149
@slurples149 2 жыл бұрын
She's canadian so I don't know what you were trying to imply
@cordelianelson8209
@cordelianelson8209 2 жыл бұрын
@@slurples149 That was my bad, I realized I wrote American where I should have written Canadian. I was trying to say I don't come from her cultural context, but I still relate to the movie.
@slurples149
@slurples149 2 жыл бұрын
@@cordelianelson8209 Oh you're fine!
@miche8868
@miche8868 2 жыл бұрын
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@ReddKnight10
@ReddKnight10 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the super cartoony character designs and especially the eyes really worked in the movies favor because right from the beginning we see Mei as the narrator and she’s a middle schooler obsessed with cute things; kinda like she’s telling us the story and getting some details overly embellished (kitten challenge being extremely hard is a good example I think)
@mcdadais
@mcdadais 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think people only liked her because she was a red panda. She was a goodie two shoes and probably a narc before. And now that she's a red panda she's rebelling more and probably having a more desirable personality. Anyway that's how I saw it.
@axlorg89
@axlorg89 2 жыл бұрын
Same. The truth of the matter was that she never gained any friends from being a panda, she always had the same friend group who assured her they love her regardless. They just appreciated she was able to stop repressing her wants.
@AHylianWarrior
@AHylianWarrior 2 жыл бұрын
That's also just how kids are: you have a cool thing, they like you for having the cool thing. They'll often skip getting to know you and get mad if you don't have the cool thing they wanted to see.
@hefoughtabear118
@hefoughtabear118 2 жыл бұрын
Id still buy it if they only liked her for the red panda persona. Kids are shallow
@jenny_therobot
@jenny_therobot 2 жыл бұрын
4:06 you can't even say it's not realistic bc it's based off the director's actual experience where her mom actually followed her to school and hid behind a tree lmfao. I think you're conflating "unrelatable" with "unrealistic" here. same with the other kid's not caring abt Mei unless she was a panda-- they're middle school kids. why would they care abt someone who wasn't their friend unless they had something really cool about them? it's completely normal. I feel like this is very subjective opinions being presented as objective reasons the movie isn't as good
@NotAnotherKuromi
@NotAnotherKuromi 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, a lot of people seem so nieve about different oarentig styles & not being willing to listen to those who had strict, pushy, over protective parents is fustrating. Also what would be more unrealistic was his suggestion that the kids would be willing to look past the flashy panda, patiently slowly get to know Mei, appreciate her for who she is & then each kid at school, then her having many things in common & getting on well enough to form a friendship!
@privernd
@privernd 2 жыл бұрын
First thing I did after watching after watching was scroll the comments to make sure someone pointed out the tree incident was based on a real thing Domee Shi went through. Glad Schafrillas was able to reconsider his thoughts on that.
@crobeastness
@crobeastness 2 жыл бұрын
@@NotAnotherKuromi my mom from europe was far more strict. if this is what a tiger mom is like, cake walk.
@NIHIL_EGO
@NIHIL_EGO 2 жыл бұрын
@@crobeastness Are you going to talk about your mom under all the comments ? Like fucking hell, Freud is quacking in his tomb right now.
@crobeastness
@crobeastness 2 жыл бұрын
@@NIHIL_EGO i do so because i want to bring awareness to people who are misinformed and think the mom in Turning Red is some kind of strict depiction.
@JayPlusForerunner
@JayPlusForerunner 2 жыл бұрын
The dad was the best character and no one can tell me otherwise. Dude is just so chill about literally everything
@a_person172
@a_person172 2 жыл бұрын
I wish he had more screen time. I hope he gets a Disney plus spin off series because he deserves it
@shireenrazak7160
@shireenrazak7160 2 жыл бұрын
I hope we get a short seeing what happened. I WAS HOPING WE GET A FLASHBACK SO BADLY.
@borp9173
@borp9173 2 жыл бұрын
but what about wilfred
@poopiheadinc.3851
@poopiheadinc.3851 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the old guy too
@azucena-hm2wo
@azucena-hm2wo 2 жыл бұрын
plus the cooking scene is chefs kiss
@lasercraft32
@lasercraft32 Жыл бұрын
I pretty much died from secondhand embarrassment at the part where the mom shows the drawing to the guy at the convenience store... And I'm a 21 year old man. That scene is just unbridled pain.
@autumn-uc6cb
@autumn-uc6cb 2 жыл бұрын
with respect because i greatly value your opinion, this is probably the most ive ever disagreed with you on a film review. this film is catered largely to people of different demographics, and the fact that it didnt fit in every piece of relatable content to other demographics does not take from its quality. i believe your opinion that this film is unbelievable (outside of the obviously unrealistic elements which were largely metaphorical) is one merely of a background that doesnt compare to this film. i found both mei and ming relatable as a daughter of a somewhat overbearing mother and the cultural ties to filial piety and ancestral worship were beautifully done and made from an honest place. for teenage girls, and specifically asian girls or those of immigrant parents, this film hits home in sm ways. also, the film style is def intentional and i felt like it didnt take from the emotional beats in the slightest. aside from j being cute and funny, i felt like the faces were drawn dramatically in tense moments because thats how it felt to mei, and help to put you in her shoes. the cartoonish and action elements were so charming to me and clear references to "girly" anime styles and boy bands- which for a film about a teenage girl makes perfect sense and is honestly refreshing. you saying that youve been able to relate to asian women in films before doesnt mean you will relate to all of them, and that doesnt mean a film hasnt made its characters empathetic- i was honestly shocked to see a topic of that sort handled with sm carelessness by a person who has handled sm diverse media. it came across to me as a very close minded way to dismiss not finding a character of another background relatable. finally, i found a lot of this review dense and its clear you didnt research your source material before you made this video. i know this isnt meant to be a full review of the film and merely your first brief opinions on it, but ive seen you handle other films w so much grace and i was disappointed that you didnt give this one its dues. with that being said, i appreciate that you corrected some of the false information in this video in your comment, and gave more diligence to this film. im glad that you are willing to hear us out and it shows how much you listen to your fans. i love your content as always and i hope to never see you stop sharing your opinion on films and media
@cristiansrevenge5355
@cristiansrevenge5355 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@jaxxis8662
@jaxxis8662 2 жыл бұрын
I strongly agree with all of this
@whenyoucoolasacucumber
@whenyoucoolasacucumber 2 жыл бұрын
Just like not relating to a movie does not make it bad, relating to it does not actually amplify it's quality, only the person's enjoyment. That said your points as to why criticisms surrounding the film are not that grounded are valid, although admittedly since the majority of this review was about his particular feelings and responses to the movie, it was implied that they are not really criticisms in the first place.
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo 2 жыл бұрын
@@whenyoucoolasacucumber Relating to the film makes the movie better and not automatically makes it a masterpiece.
@mandisaurus
@mandisaurus 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's really unfair to compare Turning Red to Encanto. Yes, this movie did have a small generational trauma thing going on, but that wasn't the main point. Two very different movies with very different messages.
@Termsofseve
@Termsofseve 2 жыл бұрын
in my opinion, encanto's story is something many people can emphasize with, whereas turning red's story is something that a smaller but significant viewerbase can *relate* to
@nebullae
@nebullae 2 жыл бұрын
@@Termsofseve and in many other people's opinion, turning red's story is far more relatable than encanto's. different strokes for different folks. i don't like how people automatically compare the two and immediately diminish turning red's story because it largely centers around an asian girl going through puberty and coming of age. like... half the population goes through that. yall really going to ignore that fact?
@nebullae
@nebullae 2 жыл бұрын
people literally see "generational trauma" and leap to conclusions, it's so tacky. it's even worse when it's people being absolutely ignorant and equating the cultures from both movies because they're foreign/not white and have female main characters. their stories could not be MORE DIFFERENT. it's insulting to be comparing them side by side when they're completely different stories with different lessons, characters, cultures and themes.
@snkybrki
@snkybrki 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno. I saw it and it just kinda looked...dull. Not in color palette or anything, but it's like the 3d equivalent of the bean face trend in Cartoon Network as of late. Cute movie. Definitely not made for my demographic, but I can get the appeal.
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo 2 жыл бұрын
@@snkybrki Yea agree i though the was straight up bad but i do see the appeal.
@pokemnstar
@pokemnstar 2 жыл бұрын
Despite being Latina, I actually related much more to Turning Red than I did to Encanto. I’m the oldest, and I was also a straight A “perfect daughter”. And while my mom isn’t anywhere near as overbearing, I still definitely related to the amount of pressure that Meimei faced. As a queer person, I’ve always felt like I had to hide that part of me in order to keep up “appearances” for my mother. And just like Meimei’s mom, she might not have intended that result, but that doesn’t negate my feelings on the matter, if that makes sense? And while Encanto tells an incredible story about generational trauma that has certain aspects I can relate to or were familiar to me, Turning Red feels much more personal.
@daelcart1947
@daelcart1947 2 жыл бұрын
Really! I feel the exact opposite🤣 I rated a lot more to Isabela and have the same perfect daughter lgbt thing going on! I really think the over the top comedy didn't hit very well for me.
@samantha4669
@samantha4669 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way! I think being a "weird art kid" influenced my enjoyment of this movie as well. Each movie is stunning in their own way (and are honeslty my favorite movies in recent years alongside Coco and Soul) but Turning Red is 1000% geared to a younger audience in a tasteful, appropriate, and relatable way that personally spoke to me more.
@supersucks
@supersucks 2 жыл бұрын
I love your perspective on this! I’ve been reading a lot of other people from Latin America say they really relate to Turning Red as well.
@lyavain2764
@lyavain2764 2 жыл бұрын
I can 100% relate to the hiding your queerness for your family's appearance. Hell, I'm still only really out to my parents, friends, and my boyfriend's family. It's difficult when you start realizing adults in your life are not always right and it's okay to be your own person and still love yourself. The reviews saying this encouraged kids to disobey their parents are either stupid or don't remember what being a kid was like.
@LeNimph
@LeNimph 2 жыл бұрын
Encanto focused on the whole family where as Turning Red was way more personal. My dad is whitebread and my mom is Latina and I was shy and nerdy and growing up my squad was very diverse and multicutural like Mei's. One of my best friends was Chinese and the one things we bonded most over was having overbearing/abusive moms. I feel like Turning Red is just more focused on Mei as a character and we get a more personal take on how generational trauma can effect one person and their relationship with their family and friends while as Encanto was a look at a whole family. I feel like Mirabel was a far less developed main character because of that and you have people saying they relate to Xyz trait related to one of the members of the family but it's a way broader shallower experience. I like both a lot but Turning Red felt more intimate and relatable.
@actually_curious4773
@actually_curious4773 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not Asian or Canadian and I grew up on a different continent yet I still found this movie very relatable and touching. I feel like the central conflict of the story, the mother-daughter relationship, is covered far better than in most movies, including Encanto, and to me this makes up for the storytelling flaws. One of the things I really appreciate is how the movie shows the good side of Mei's and her mom's bond, it felt really fresh in comparison to other animated movies with a similar conflict. Imagine if Little Mermaid started with Ariel happily singing at her father's event, or if Nemo actually respected his father, or if Mirabel actually had any good memories about her grandma or her sisters to begin with. Most movies start with such a conflict already very much present and ready to erupt, but in Turning Red it's developing right in front of our eyes and that's what adds more weight to it. I also disagree about stakes not being high. Mei and her mom play central role in each other's lives so the disintegration of their relationship is a very serious issue for both of them and I'm kinda happy it remains the central theme of the movie instead of some external threat. I also don't agree with some people who say it's a movie that appeals to kids primarily - as an adult I could relate equally both to Mei AND her mom and that was really confusing but also illuminating. Also I feel like a lot of the movie's cringiness comes from the fact that it simply depicts preteen girls so accurately. We're so used to seeing movie teenagers saving the world Harry Potter style that actually seeing 13 year olds acting like 13 year olds and having age-appropriate reactions, problems and hobbies is quite startling, because well, they are indeed that cringey and awkward.
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