Turning Stalls - MzeroA Flight Training

[@plane15man]

Got into a quarter-spin my second time doing power on stalls with my instructor. He asked me what I did wrong, so I told him. Then he said, "Alright, do it again." So I spun again. He said, "That's not what I meant, but nice recovery either way."

[@abbieamavi]

I’m weak 🤣😂😂 I put my CFI into a spin on our first lesson, as he showed me a stall for the first time. Thankfully, he didn’t give up on me!

[@andyw_]

I never did these in my training. when I went on my check ride for my private pilot i had one and had no idea I even could do a turning stall. He kindly just walked me through how to do one and was happy. Something to know for sure

[@jeffs5927]

The exact same thing happened to me - no turning stalls in training, then asked to do one on my check ride

[@hamrepair3815]

One of the first things my CFI taught me was turning stalls. Also, once, he had me perform full power on stall with no rudder input to demonstrate how quickly you can enter a spin being uncoordinated. Was excellent training!

[@Arrow_Driver]

All the time during my training in the late 80'S As Well as spins. I also remember when spins were part of the check ride for PPL

[@vrendus522]

Thanks Jason, you found the source of my fear. When I was learning to fly, my instructor did the pulling back on the yoke bit and the plane did an abrupt right or left into a spin. Your technique is more gentle and this is why I had adjust so weirdly. I think what most student pilots don't get when they start off, is how important both the rudder can be and in case of a stall or spin, how to get the plane flying again. I learned to fly at the as*hole of the world, weather wise, so had to do a lot of thinking with respects to what my Cessna 150 club plane, was doing all the time. I am skill in spacecraft that fly like planes and aerodynamic wise, am smart. But you as a teacher, seem to pull the trick. Thank you

[@bobjhg3887]

Hi from the Netherlands! My instructor took me up for a full aerobatic flight during my PPL training, including loopings, barrel rolls and (most importantly..) some spins. Although I (sofarr) didn't go for an aerobatic rating I still go up for an aerobatic training flight every year. It gives you the repeated feeling what you can expect and how to react.

[@wordawg88]

I just did my first during my solo stage check and I’m going to do more. Also did spins and recovery. I’m very glad I did them.

[@psyrixx]

Spins are one thing I've never done but would love to. The school I learned at had it in their policy that spins were absolutely not allowed in their aircraft. We learned the theory, and how to recover, but never did any actual training. :( Definitely did turning stalls though! Lots of fun, I love practicing stalls. :D

[@emor827]

My first power-on stall maneuver resulted into the beginning of a spin because I was climbing and I didn't notice I was also banking to the right. When the 172 stalled the right-wing dipped severally and I was looking at the ground. I had looked at several videos on spin recovery prior to my lessen (PARE technique) but my CFI took control of the plane and recovered. I was a bit surprised at how quickly you can get into a spin. Now when I practice these maneuvers I keep an eye that I am not turning while climbing and that I am coordinated in the climb.

[@michaelcouch75]

Great video!! This was the second maneuver I was asked to demonstrate on my checkride but my instructor had never covered them in training. Made for a stressful event which I feel negatively affected my performance through the rest of the checkride.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

I hear that story so often!!! Sounds like all ended up okay though! Nice work

[@michaelcouch75]

MzeroA Flight Training It did and I passed, the DPE was gracious enough to demonstrate the maneuver once and then allow me to demonstrate it. All the stress of the checkride was self-induced the DPE was a great guy and ambassador for aviation.

[@jdjackson7180]

After a few years away from flying, I was getting current and my instructor had me do one. I did not have to do them in 2002 when I got my license. I went right into a spin because of being uncoordinated. I was in a C-172 G-1000. My first time with the G-1000 in it and I was having trouble trusting the digital ball. I felt it was lagging some.

[@DS-hz4ie]

For the glider practical test stalling turns are required so we practiced them a lot. It's probably because we try to stay right at the edge of a stall during thermalling.

[@ScottWoodland]

I had not done any pre-PPL...yes, I had to do one on the test, but had a good DPE and got through it. Was more completely prepared for CPL test last year ;-) Glad to see you demo that.

[@MichaelVanHeemst]

I unexpectedly had to do a full power turning stall on my check ride last month. I had done a few before but it would've helped to do more of them. If you're in the check ride phase, then practice these. It'll save you a lot of stress during the check ride

[@TGDylan96]

Ya we do spins in the PPL training and CPL flight test. Although turning stalls are at your instructors discretion. Really helps to practice them.

[@oledanielson4699]

Would love to see a re-cut of the film from the pilot's perspective throughout the recovery -- the rudder push, the leveling the wings, the slow pull back and pitch-up to level. The cuts to the exterior view, though scenically interesting, breakup the flow of actions needed to smoothly respond to the situation. Would help chair-fly the situation.

[@pumarolz]

Well tomorrow I got exactly what is described in this vid , never done this in my 5 years flying, my instructor will be pleased with the reactions

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Have fun and fly safe!

[@steamtrainjr1606]

DPE asked me to do this during my checkride and I had never heard about them - going to be doing these next time I'm up with my instructor.

[@advntrnutchannel2846]

Awesome material Jason, truly enjoy the fresh and young aviation education you guys bring to the table! P.S. the new “Inc. 500” stamp and Breitling is awesome ! Keep up the great work!

[@abbieamavi]

The best video I’ve found on Cross Control stalls!! Thank you 😁😃

[@VoteJaySchwartz]

Jason we have a DPE down here that always asks students to do turning stalls to the right with 10 degrees of flaps.

[@NETBotic]

Spins are great, I was stressing stalls until I did spins. On top of that, in most trainers spin entry is smooth and easily correctable.

[@jeffsherman91]

Did a spin inadvertently. Dual with instructor, and we were doing power-on stalls. It had been a while and I was sloppy with the rudder, and the right wing went down and then the left wing and we started spinning. I took my hands and feet off, thinking the instructor would save us, glanced over, and he was sitting there with his arms folded. Had to have taken less than a second, but it felt like minutes. We had never even TALKED about spin recovery, but I had read about it on my own, and while I did forget to pull power (the "P" in "PARE"), i pushed forward to break the stall at the same time putting in right rudder to stop the spinning and leveled the yoke. Not sure if we had spun half a rotation or one and a half rotations, but we had lost about 1,000' and were facing the other direction. Anyone who says that a 172 will stop spinning by itself has apparently never tried it because we were definitely going until I put in specific control inputs to break the stall and stop the turning. Or if SOME do, certainly not all. After being scared to death for a little while, I later realized that I had managed to get myself INTO probably the scariest thing a pilot could (an inadvertent stall) and managed to also get myself out of one, so it actually gave me a little confidence.

[@joshualandry3160]

You didn't wait long enough. If you had the 172 really would have recovered itself by about the second or third rotation. Just about every airplane will recover itself if you just let go. I've intentionally spun 172s multiple times as both instructor and student. The biggest problem with the 172 is keeping it in the spin. Funny thing is, today I heard about to CFIs in a Tomahawk who couldn't recover with PARE but the aircraft recovered itself when they gave up and let go at 4000 ft. They don't call them "trauma-hawks" without reason.

[@TylerJKnudson]

In my 141 we do turning stalls pretty early but spins are a no go, only needed for CFI's as far as I'm aware. I wish I had some experience just feeling a spin, turning stalls are a bit nerve-wracking because I know I don't have real experience with what could happen next.

[@chasemaza4683]

I have a stage check tomorrow this helped so much

[@bonexjr13]

Hey I’ve been watching your videos for a while and on Monday I got my PPL! Hopefully will start the instrument next Monday thanks for all the help!

[@craigwilliams9154]

I've got s stupid question- What sort of facility are you flying over around the 30 sec. -ish mark It looks like a weapons dump with attached race track...what? Also Thanks for the instruction.

[@Quokka_Volant]

5 years ago.... daaaaaaaaamn time flies

[@nsant]

Who would win in a dogfight, you or Fly8MA?

[@Aero360Aviation]

Very good information! I have also never done turning stalls... and it also irritates me that spins are not standard in primary training anymore. In fact, I had to go through Multiple instructors before I found one who was even Willing to demonstrate spin recovery with me!

[@flyingturtle4313]

I'd love to do some spins but the Tecnam p2002jf doesn't permit it in the poh. my school has a pa28. might ask my cfi to take me up for spin training in the Piper.

[@erikgdahlbeck]

Sadly, the PA-28 is not approved for spins either.

[@flyingturtle4313]

Erik Gunneland Dahlbäck really, damn, thanks for letting me know.

[@CaptainBobSim]

Try a high wing, taildragger (Such as an aerobatic plane)

[@XplaneStudiosHD]

All flight courses are required to do turning stalls here at Purdue

[@wisth351]

could you cover descending turning stall as well

[@Windtee]

I flew multiple spins both incipient and stabilized with rotations to the left and right. Good times!

[@meisterliko6235]

Hi Jason can you update some commercial maneuvers. Chandelles lazy eights eights on pylons steep spirals

[@jeremyfarley423]

my DPE asked in the oral if I done stalls in a turn. I was wide eyed and honestly answered, "no, my instructor said never turn in a stall..."

[@clifford4200]

A few turning stalls in training, never spun one time, in training or in any of my flying time. 300 hours later.

[@forfengeligfaen]

Why are you in the right seat Jason? 🤔

[@PilotBusaKaine]

Wow, great video, I will have to practice turning stalls.

[@kylegarcia4141]

Turning stalls recovery is what I don’t get. I do the stall and setup fine and then recovery I have opposite rudder with nose down to gain airspeed then establish climb attitude. Stage check was some trash only missed that yet have to go back and demonstrate it again.

[@idontgotnothin]

Aerobatic maneuvers should be mandatory training

[@paulbaird205]

idontgotnothin agreed. Didn’t think that until my instructor asked if I wanted to see a spin. I would have been in trouble if that had happened to me without him. It’s not so much the extreme attitude, but the Gs. Didn’t expect that. Probably wasn’t even 2gs.

[@michaelmiklosofficial]

Did turning stalls and spiral dives recovery on my skills test.

[@jonachaval1912]

Why don’t you call power on turning stalls incipient spins? Is there a difference?

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Hi Jon! Great question. Not every stall leads to a spin. A turning stall can be recovered from before entering a spin. An incipient spin is where now you are entering the developed spin itself. If you have any other questions please reach out to us at [e-mail]! Thanks!

[@vamsikrishna8765]

Hi, Everytime we do a turning stall, is it mandatory for the wing to drop on to the other side of the turn?

[@sheikhomurmaruf9436]

for climb up turn, outside wing will drop first. for level and descend turn inside wing will stall first.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Hi Vamsi! Please reach out to us at [e-mail] so we can give you as thorough an answer as possible. Thanks!

[@ivanpolescuk8212]

Why during stall in the right roll, the left wing stalls first?

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Great question! There are a lot of different aerodynamic factors that go into stall characteristics, feel free to reach out to [e-mail] and we can explain it in further detail!

[@marsgal42]

On my flight test I did power-on, power-off and turning stalls. In Canada we do spins in PPL training. It was an eye-opening experience for me: an airplane can do this. And *I* can make it do it. Whee!

[@mrkhan2983]

Please also cover accelerated stall ..

[@CamKiva]

I actually saw a video about turning stalls the other day!

[@hpeterson10579]

Never did a turning stall until my stage check

[@patonbike]

Looked very gentle to me, any reason it broke left?

[@javiere.gonzalez1021]

Left turning tendency due to engine torque, p-factor, spiraling slipstream and gyroscopic precession!

[@Efntodd]

Turning stalls are required on PPL checkride? I thought it was just power on and power off stalls?

[@joshualandry3160]

The ACS allows for an examiner to specify up to 15 degrees of bank on either.

[@nicolasposada2934]

Can you explain further why that left wing dropped?

[@CCitis]

Think about airflow over the wing and angle of attack. In a right turn the downward wing has a lower angle of attack... Outside wing stalls due to a higher angle of attack.

[@brentrichter1131]

The slip indicator ball was to the right. If he would have been coordinated the stall would have broke straight and level with the wings

[@adams.8997]

Because he was un-cooridanted. He needed more right rudder in the right hand turning climb (P-factor/Asymetric Thrust, Spiraling Slipstream). Essentially, there was yaw to the left, when it stalled the yawing force pulled the plane to the left. Yaw+Stall=Spin....

[@zachg1017]

first one i did was on my PP checkride in 2013

[@kannavthakur3494]

even i do few times but mine is bit mesy

[@Funraiser]

Breitling Aerospace :-) Very good choice!

[@flexairz]

Did turning stalls and spins as I have an aerobatics rating.. ;-)

[@philconey11]

"Who here has done some spins?" Are you asking about intentional spins or spins that made my instructor poop?

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Ha! Thanks for watching, Mike!

[@hmrbruce]

Why would I want to learn this? It is dangerous and I don't want to do IT.

[@ctsteve1967]

no person that has any training will keep pulling back on a clear day. Maybe in IMC

[@highmarkrich]

The removal of spins in PPL training is a joke

[@joshualandry3160]

Umm.... that rudder was completely unnecessary. Once you unload the wing the stall is broken and the ailerons are effective. As long as it is coordinated it will still break straight for the feet with no tendency to fall off on either wing. A turning stall is no closer to a spin than a normal one. The only way to spin an airplane is from a skidding stall. Wing orientation is irrelevant. If the stall is not coordinated than it is a cross control stall and not a turning stall.

[@user-ut9ln4vd5m]

Are you sure about that rudder being unnecessary? Sounds like a potentially serious thing for you to be mistaken about

[@youtubemail912]

How many degrees good to do turning stall?