Turtle WoW HUNTER Changes for Patch 1.17.2 - Deep-Dive & Discussion | Sucess or Failure?

[@Vyn_HK]

26:08 I asked a GM the other day about the inconsistencies between the Talent Calculator and the Changelog. And they said that the Changelog is what’s accurate. Keep that in mind for future class evaluation. There was one specific mistake in the talent calculator of Priest for example that caused a HUGE uproar. As it said that Power Word: Shield was no longer usable in Shadowform. Something that was considered in an earlier draft and didn’t make it to the changelog, but was mistakenly left in the talent calculator

[@proceduralcoffee]

because why fix both and make it consistent? lazy devs.

[@Agrippa91]

The Improved Steady Shot talent will increase the damage of SS as a whole, not just the added damage.

[@Thunderlord_Tozn]

I have never thought about using hunter pets as true tanks, but the idea of having extra talents in a skill tree where different pets could tank in different ways would be sick af

[@bob_jim6584]

I have leveled several hunters and kind of glad that BM spec might level a little faster. I made him so I can send items and money to my warrior I'm going to level. It's challenging leveling a Warrior as your first character on a server when you play by yourself a lot. This is my second watch. I find your knowledge very insightful.

[@Mythix-net]

Nice work @Shjelde I always enjoy your breakdowns.

[@shjelde660]

Thank you @Mythix, and i must say its insane how fast your channel has grown! Keep making videos :D

[@VegetoStevieD]

I think the frost "duration" in the [Planning Ahead] talent probably means that they will remain encased in ice longer, or the frost on the ground will last longer. (if it's triggered AFTER 5 seconds)

[@shjelde660]

yes

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

Another great idea IMO, if they don't want to address pet pathing and survivability in a real way, is to just give hunters something akin to a warlock's demonic sacrifice. Make it something like pet meld, where you gain a certain amount of attack power or crit based on which pet you meld with. If you meld with a turtle, your defensive stats shoot up, if you meld with a raptor, you gain a little haste and attack power, something like that. It would completely take care of the raiding situation, where sometimes raid leaders demand you don't even use a pet.

[@jangerloff3521]

Do you know what the optimal rotation is for melee hunter ?

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

They could simply make entrapment work on one trap per hunter at a time, or make it so as soon as a second trap springs, the first trap disappears.

[@Jubafree]

Did some dungeon as melee and it is a really fun spec.

[@Flamestryke-TV]

you did a good job overall with this. I agree 100% that the changes are good but some things need to be reworked still. Great job 10/10 would watch again :)

[@Agrippa91]

Pretty sure Serpent Sting already scales more on turtle than classic.

[@gondorian1640]

what would be the best race for hunter pvp? (alliance and horde side)

[@shjelde660]

i would guess probably gnome and goblin since they both have escape utility

[@dustincooper7181]

I wish I had the time to come back to T WoW but I'm in school to become AMT and damn so much work to do.

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

They need to address pet pathing, making the pets run to the rear of a target if the target has aggro on something else. Why? Cleave. Lots of bosses and raid trash mobs cleave, and it can sometimes one-shot a pet that is stupidly standing in front of the mob because the tank doesn't care to spin the mob away from the raid.

[@shjelde660]

You dont think that the increase to avoidance is gonna be enough to mitigate the aoe to pets?

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

@@shjelde660 I think it's really going to help on fights were pets could already survive if hunters were careful, but on fights where a boss or trash cleaves and the tank didn't face the enemy away, I think the pets might last one swing more. It will not be as "fire and forget" as TBC was.

[@soulcleric]

@@davidjones-wr3pg but 80 % reduction means its gonna take 5 of those 1 shots to kill. i think its gonna help alot, let see lol

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

I wish they would make mend pet an instant cast hot like rejuvination so you don't have to channel it.

[@lule.8668]

Hopefully you will release some gameplay video

[@shjelde660]

i will

[@joezar33]

I have a "Surival Hunter" , definitely interested in *Aspect of the Wolf* 🐺 . Is it true turtle might nerf the horde racial ? Im an ally player, but Horde meant to have PvP racial, getting a win on the Alliance side more challenging that way. Be such a dumb idea if turtle nerf them .

[@justinmccray5014]

Bump

[@Toxicopathy]

Making classes easier, always made negative effects

[@thecozyplace1206]

But having it either too complex or too hard to play and no reward for it isn't good either. A simple class must achieve a simple-medium result. A difficult to master/complex class should achieve a high level of satisfaction and result.

[@KingLich451]

Better than them being literally useless.

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

Survival is going to end up being too strong. IMO, prepare for a nerf hammer, and not just for the abusable traps in pvp, which could be fixed relatively simply.

[@flamerollerx01]

Why should hunters have capability to handle all classes when no other class works that way? Rogues have a hard time with casters and paladins, warriors same etc. Some classes should just not engage with some classes unless it's a 2v1 scenario.

[@shjelde660]

i'm not for the rock, paper, scissor philosophy. A more geared and/or skilled player should be able to beat a less geared and/or skilled player imo

[@KingLich451]

Rogue cant beat a warrior? Uh ohhh, sounds like skill issueeeee

[@glorm3801]

Please stop conflating Rangers with Archers, person with bow = Archer. A Ranger is someone who is one with the forest being extremely knowledgeable of their environment and its inhabitants, and is well trained in martial combat. They can use a bow but there is also Rangers that have never touched a bow in their life, bow does not equal Ranger.

[@patrickobrienstr]

Calm your tits this is his channel sir

[@Saintslapaho]

Wutang

[@joezar33]

Wu Tang... that should be a new class 😅

[@Saintslapaho]

@@joezar33 I'd play it.