Turtle WoW PALADIN Changes for Patch 1.17.2 - Deep-Dive & Discussion | Sucess or Failure?

[@haylax4186]

As a paladin main here i can't wait to get into this, this will finally make prot pallys actual main tanks instead of being relegated to off tanking or trash mobs i am in love with this and can make something of the Preg-pally build from Wotlk or some variation - a high armor healer that also does a shitton of damage and is hard to lock down a combination of prot and holy as for ret....yeah more damage LOL

[@Agrippa91]

Great videos covering all classes in-depth. Love me some looong videos ❤

[@SteelingMorality]

Later on when you get enough gear, prot pallys would swap to a 2h and 2h tank (similar to dw tanking for war). That's prob the reason then mentioned that in the vengeance section.

[@zhanokunzjg7804]

the holy shock one id did not like. its always been a healing/damage spell. keep it that way >

[@nicksalvatore5717]

Amazing changes. This brought me back to Turtle WoW … freaking great work team

[@abwesend182]

"how ... in the world are phys dps take down (prot) paladins at this point" what I dont get, why should a phys dps can easily take down a specct and equipped tank in the first place? (or any other tank specc in the game) What am I getting wrong?

[@lamMeTV]

The paladin parry talent is very exciting! Because parries give extra attack speed so its rad during questing

[@gui_p_mello]

As a ret I just find it a bit boring to have to wait 6 seconds to use any melee spell. I wanna use my weapon infused with light magic! I'm really glad crusader strike deals actual damage and doesn't feel almost poitless to press and that Holy Strike is gonna be instant cast, feels better! I just want my gameplay to feel better, for me it's more important than how viable it is. They could do more interesting stuff with the seals as well.

[@kordatier2023]

start seal twisting

[@GregPeterson123]

Play retail then. Or just admit you are cheap and can't pay $10 there? Requests like this just ruin the good private servers - they end up a mess like Retail where every class does everything, just to satisfy some minority players..

[@gui_p_mello]

@@GregPeterson123 Boy what do you understand about game design? I can't take your comment seriously. I respect the work of the turtle wow team, but it doesn't mean I can't say what I think about their choices without being disrespectful. You are too aggro and I bet you have never had any experience with game dev

[@GregPeterson123]

@@gui_p_mello really? I need be into game design to comment here? :D Powerful abilities need CD. If what you want is implemented - most people will leave the server.

[@gui_p_mello]

@@GregPeterson123 If you want to be this kind of asshole, yes you better be into game design to know what are you talking about, it would be less cringe. You are clueless. No, retail ret pally is not what I want. Stop bitching.

[@usurperx7111]

What WILL change* Because one thing is sure, nothing is past tense when it comes to this F******* patch!!

[@amarjamakovic1297]

I wish holy shield blocked spells :(

[@shjelde660]

agreed

[@КряКра]

relevant for ret pally build? Pve

[@flamerollerx01]

Let's be clear. Holy paladin healing in melee will be seen as a liability in progression content and not allowed in serious raids. For dungeons, it's gonna be pretty fun, but it's just too dangerous to be in melee range of a boss while healing and using your globals on anything not healing will be very dangerous for your raids survivability. Nobody will be doing that in raids. They have to do some pretty major stuff to make melee holy pally work. Also, you don't appear to know about the couple items with +X fire/nature damage added to melee attacks that have been used by paladins on turtlewow to proc judgment of wisdom and also vengeance because the damage can crit. Look up fiery plate gauntlets and the ring from the rogue boss in gilneas. I forget the rings name atm. Using both is crazy uptime and mana restore on hit that alleviates ret/prot mana problems.

[@MaxMusterkommentar]

the +dmg items still can trigger wisdom mana gains? I have the feeling its no working anympre for me like before the patch.

[@Psilocybin77]

ring of electrical binding, and it still works.

[@traviscue2099]

I really want Avengers shield, while I know it's not classic.. It's a great skill for ranged pulls, it's pretty silly that I have to become an engineer to use granades to pull.

[@bob_jim6584]

Looking forward to the Shaman deep dive.

[@shjelde660]

working on that one as we speak 😅

[@MrTussbon]

Holy shock change made me sad.

[@davidnagy1046]

coming from later expacs, what i'm missing with prot pally is the ranged pull ability, something like Avenger's Shield...

[@shjelde660]

Very true, i dont know the range on the new taunt we are getting as paladin

[@Mythix-net]

They implemented a similar ability in 1.17.2, they were so close to giving Avengers shield haha. Maybe in the future they will give us this amazing ability.

[@hexcrab7344]

Project epoch will have avenger's shield, gonna go there fuck turtle wow

[@Psilocybin77]

Why make decisions for pvp, when Twow is largely a PVE server. Obviously the 2 people PvPing on Twow are very vocal, but who cares.

[@chc2650]

Would have prefered Divine Storm as ret capstone over Rep

[@keleitas150]

I'm not a fan of these changes beside the holy one. Especially ret. I like the frenetic playstyle of crusader spamming. I like the unique interaction with certain items like Scythe of the Harvest and MCP. I liked that ret paladin is kinda the underdog that with effort and unique items and synergies (flametongue totem) can rival warriors. Also, these change feel like are taking away the vanilla mindset from twow. I think they should've brought these changes very slowly while keeping an eye on community feedback instead of going all out so suddenly while being so conservative in the past. No wonder in the twow discord the community is very divided

[@shjelde660]

YEa had they implimented these changes slowver, would likely have been better

[@crackshack2]

Exactly, they should listen to feedback from their community like what the devs of Helldivers 2 do.

[@marcopalazzo9349]

Holy Paladin change is ridiculous, having to melee to gain all these new benefits is crazy, guarantee every Holy Paladin will revert back to FoL spamming the melee aoe is just to much in classic.

[@pardingo]

Yea, I have to say, the biggest disappointment for me is the removal of the Shockadin. Really a big loss. I know it's a super niche spec but damn if I didn't love it.

[@justinmccray5014]

Bump

[@zack6192]

They need to just make both servers pvp open world war. The pve server converted to pvp for three months so they can balance their stuff for pvp. It's obvious they are balancing for pvp. Make a hardcore server so hardcore doesn't have to deal with pvp. All hardcore characters can move to the hardcore server.

[@GregPeterson123]

Many people enjoy the Vanilla vibe on this server, so please - don't kill that because of people who should play Retail but cant afford to pay $10 a month. If someone wants a warrior-like paly - theu can make a warrior alt, and most player actually have alts

[@romanjohnson75]

2nd half of this comment feels a little dumb lol paladins are warriors of light

[@GregPeterson123]

@@romanjohnson75 the current TurtleWow paladin completely removed the need for a warrior in all situations. Beter tank, beter dps, better pvp...and well - healer. Add also the stupid mele hunters who are now basically dps warriors with better aoe... All this completely broke the game for me.

[@1MoreTurn]

Judgement of Crusader nerf. ah darn. If only I could have enjoyed it a little bit longer. :(

[@Psilocybin77]

1 paladin at least....lol. GL to all the Prot paladins with constant dunce cap RETs who don't know their classes showing up to raids for free gear off the backs of the few tanks.

[@IceGeck0]

They jsut nerfed the shit out of us for no good reason. Holy Nova was the only fun healing priests got to have in dungeons and its now worse than useless. Helf meditation mana regain was halved, it is now barely enough to cast a single spell. Has been a LOT of drama and scandal surrounding this cash grab server over the years. The world is 6 years old and the economy is completely trashed, certainly a terrible experience for new players. Best look elsewhere, Epoch is starting up in the next few months...

[@josephjoebrown11]

the devs play aplly

[@leave0901]

They destroy the core of the holy pala and ret. Make me quit the game successfully

[@Horus-89]

Bye

[@BenDover-gc4xs]

100%, awful and unnecessary changes

[@ИгорьСавельчев]

The core of holy in 1.12: You can slack on consumables and still be kinda acceptable and shine only if like lack of frost rez on saph. And lack of scaling of flash of light becoming obvious in t2.5, t3. The core of ret: Spend all your gold on every consumable possible and still suck ass in pve. Or prepare retbomb in pvp by sitting on the ground. Also changes kinda fixed how bad itemisation for healers in vanilla suck. For example, if you are minmaxing healing output in 1.12.1 you want your pre-raid stratholme chest to change in aq40 only. So whole 2 raid tiers w/o direct upgrade. And every single healer wanted same cloth pieces.

[@nicksalvatore5717]

Dramatic af - the changes are awesome you baby. I think they should bring holy shock back as a weak ret pally mid range caster ability

[@MatthewTheUntitled]

Cry me some more tears, delicious!

[@Moanzy]

shout out @dodgykebaab He was my nr.1 Private server content creator. Too bad he moved on ;)