COSMIC Desktop Release Date, Record Your Game in Steam, SUSE 19 Years Support & more Linux news

[@VallThyo]

I am really happy at KDE, but I will definitely try out Cosmic on my laptop, even tho it's not focused on gaming. I don't think Cosmic will do it for me because I like the customization KDE allows, but I also want to give it a fair try in bare metal. And about Steam, yes many people are also responsible for gaming on Linux being what it is today, but as someone who tried to run games on Linux back in 2008~2013, and tried again in 2021 when I got back to Linux... oh boy the difference is massive. The amount of per-game Wine workaround you had to do back then just to play a game at 10fps was massive. When I tried again after the whole steam push and improvements things were just... working. I never expected that and it was what made me go back to full time Linux, I like my games and I want to play them when I have time, and Linux right now is 100% delivering on that.

[@thingsiplay]

"Do you judge me for being a Steam fanboy?" No Michael. I am one myself. For good reason. I judge only people for being an Epic fanboy.^^

[@kbhasi]

(1:37) This was also mentioned on the COSMIC page on System76's website, but I appreciate that they designed it to be customised by distros, and their 'stock' configuration is just what they use when shipping it on Pop_OS. For example, Debian, my primary distro, tends to keep their desktop environment configurations close to stock, only customising it a little to switch the default background to the default Debian background for that release. If they were to ship COSMIC as an officially supported desktop environment, what I imagine they'd do is keep all of the Pop_OS defaults, including the panel layouts, except for changing the default background to the one for the Debian release, and maybe also changing the default accent colour to match that.

[@AnnCatsanndra]

You're not the only one who saw it as an astronaut. I definitely didn't see the monitor until reading their explanation, but it might work better standalone at icon size.

[@sharkuel]

Yeah same here. Because it makes sense given the name of the DE.

[@Adamy-69]

Yes this logo related to the word "COSMIC" you think about an astronaut because of this word ... cosmic

[@HaveYouTriedGuillotines]

It doesn't look like anything to me. It just looks like a sideways C.

[@matheusrosa94]

You can have clips on Linux with OBS, by enabling replay buffer. But obviously Steam's built-in clip and replay recording will be much more convenient, especially on handheld PCs.

[@hindigente]

Cosmic's logo kind of looks like a keyboard and monitor, which is, honestly, a missed opportunity to incorporate something Cosmos-related. A crescent-shaped O, a rocket-shaped I, a constellation-shaped M, etc, there are so many possibilities!

[@centy64]

Have to admit I don't usually fanboy a company but Valve make it relatively easy by going the opposite way from everyone else of giving me things I can use and not burdening me with things I don't. It really is that simple.

[@anghDescartes]

I'm gog fanboy, unfortunately steam is a drm system by itself. But I do appreciate their commitment - still, I got burned too many times by steam limitations and overzealous drm approach and factual monopoly. nice news on suse, tumbleweed is my distro of choice so happy to see them growing and focusing on the market.

[@kolz4ever1980]

bro trying to use those illegal pirated games using all those cute weaponized words ;)

[@anghDescartes]

@Moboproc i was reading recently some info on gog officially supporting heroic on linux which makes a lot of sense.

[@Your_Degenerate]

My first impression was that it was a tall C rotated ninety degrees and underscored.

[@SouthFacedWindows]

Meh I will always choose Bitwarden over 1 pass

[@chamezard]

Why not Keepass? Password should be offline.

[@ramyextra]

Why your camera looks like its low fps

[@luzkenin]

its not a camera, its a potato

[@michael_tunnell]

I was trying something new this week and it didn’t turn out that well, I’ll make adjustments for next episode. It will be back to normal or better

[@Jakeu1701]

Dest Linux 377 is not out yet and not posted in the show notes. looking forward to the darktable discussion.

[@thomassandstrom4450]

Thank you for info about "...377". Now i can stop waisting time searching the ghost video (DL 377).

[@michael_tunnell]

Sorry about that, I thought I mentioned this in the video. This episode comes out tomorrow morning. I’ll be sure to make sure I clarify that in the future sorry again

[@Jakeu1701]

@@michael_tunnell no worries. Not delivering oxygen. Will look for it then. Thanks.

[@michael_tunnell]

It’s out now

[@Jakeu1701]

@@michael_tunnell Thanks for the 411 on 377

[@larrywilliams8010]

The Cosmic logo made me think they tried to incorporate the C into it, but the C fell over

[@kringkingen]

Did your cam broke, it's like low fps, I think?.. Great video as always, looking forward to trying out COSMIC.

[@michael_tunnell]

I was trying something new this week and it didn’t turn out that well, I’ll make adjustments for next episode. It will be back to normal or better

[@NissNel]

Took me a while to process the sweet office suite 😆

[@the-answer-is-42]

I installed the Cosmic pre-alpha (I think) on my Pop OS device. So far it looks good, but it's definitely a pre-alpha. For example, there are missing settings and it doesn't have animations (don't know if that's intentional or they just haven't got around to it yet since it's a pre-alpha). The parts that are there that I tried seems solid, though, so it's looking good. Absolutely worth taking a look, just remember it's a pre-alpha. It won't be your new daily driver yet. They are heading in a good direction, though, do it definitely has promise.

[@mmstick]

Animations in libcosmic will not be part of the first alpha. Keyboard shortcuts are currently in a staging branch that will be merged tomorrow. Then settings will be complete for the first alpha.

[@Wilker_uwu]

other interpretations for the Cosmic logo: - a claw machine - a train (the line is the train tracks) - a bread on a plate - the top-down view of a doorknob - an airbag

[@fontenbleau]

Anyone knows 3D desktops for Linux similar to Bumptop app for Mac & Win? In current "flat" desktop GUIs like Gnome & Plasma i found hard to place video feeds somewhere far but watchable, so i see lack of desktop dimension. Kinda you can place today many windows together into any mozaic way, but by dimensional placing a sticky window on some virtual wall (under the angle) may be more productive - like several video feeds which needed only for background like music or streaming and etc.

[@meow-is-edible]

that reminded me of compiz Not 3d desktop, but niri and paperwm might be interesting to you. It has virtually infinite horizontal screen dimension.

[@fontenbleau]

@@meow-is-edible interesting 🤔 i'll check

[@Hid4ri]

So is cosmic branding replacing the Pop OS brand? Or are they just calling the DE cosmic and the os is still Pop OS?

[@thingsiplay]

Good question, didn't think about this before. They might even change the entire branding to Cosmic to signify a huge change. And it makes sense to me, as they are changing the entire desktop environment and many other things that are associated with it.

[@NiffirgkcaJ]

It'll probably still be Pop_OS!, but COSMIC will be the desktop environment.

[@michael_tunnell]

They haven’t answered this before but I would bet it’s going to stay the same

[@mmstick]

No, the COSMIC branding is specific to COSMIC. COSMIC is a desktop environment, whereas Pop!_OS is a Linux distribution. You can use COSMIC on any Linux distribution. There are some nods to System76 and Pop!_OS branding though. All of the logos feature an underline. The O in the COSMIC logo, the 6 in the System76 logo, and the P! in the Pop!_OS log.

[@Hid4ri]

@@mmstick well that is a shame, thanks for confirming.

[@Scrubghost]

I could not find the link to destination Linux 377?

[@michael_tunnell]

Dang I forgot to update the description! It’s destinationlinux.net/377 update: description fixed

[@yavener]

What's wrong with this camera? Or is he speaks under the water?

[@c.h.4126]

Low framerate from camera recording and motion blur as effect.

[@michael_tunnell]

There’s zero motion blur added. The frame rate is 60 I am not sure where it’s an issue, maybe during upload KZbin is messing it up in the transcoding.

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

I am under the wader

[@candyczar]

Glad to know it's not just me xD

[@RobertMcGovernTarasis]

Certainly blurrier than normal. Thought I had a poor bit rate

[@zxuiji]

1:08, being in rust won't effect performance vs being in c/c++

[@michael_tunnell]

That’s true but most of GNOME is in JavaScript so the current COSMIC is also in JavaScript

[@zxuiji]

@@michael_tunnell had not realised that fair enough then

[@mmstick]

That's not true. Go ahead and compare GNOME Software, KDE Discover, and the elementary appcenter to the COSMIC Store right now. Both in terms of memory usage and performance.

[@hnasheralneam]

I have Cosmic installed on Fedora, and it's worked very well in the time I've used it (the desktop is very polished) but there are far too few features at the moment, especially as someone coming from KDE

[@thingsiplay]

Steam Game Recording I was waiting a longtime for the Game Recording feature. And it even surpassed my expectations with the timeline functionality. Until now I was trying to capture footage with OBS, but OBS is clunky and not convenient. And the best part is, Steam Game Recording can record in the background automatically. This is awesome! But you know what that also means for the entire eco system of third party game recording software? They have to innovate and offer additional functionality in order to be competitive. And that's good for the consumer slash player. I don't care about them either, but to be fair, the third party tools would probably work with other game launchers and games without needing Steam to run in the background. Such as for people using GOG or Epic Games or anything else. I don't care about them, but there are lot of people who do. Edit: BTW I set Steam background Recording to 16 hours at best quality on my main desktop. On my Steam Deck I will be using it on demand, as it has a few fps hit according to some testers. I have to verify this myself yet. But it makes sense, because the Deck lacks a dedicated GPU hardware.

[@KM-sv4dh]

I hooed for some news about OpenSUSE Slowroll in the suse conference.

[@zxuiji]

the cosmic logo just looks like a fancy coffee table or tv stand to me

[@b0t123]

Minimalist brands are like a Rorschach test

[@esra_erimez]

I am a die hard KDE fan, but I am keeping a close eye on COSMIC. I've watched Jeremy Soller's interview on Tech Over Tea and this guy really knows his stuff.

[@jackrabbitping]

OBS Dont work on steam?

[@michael_tunnell]

It does work fine, but OBS is a lot more involved to do it than a clipping tool like this

[@GrishTech]

The new branding is great!

[@elalemanpaisa]

FDE ? The first Linux distro to offer FDE on the boot drive

[@nicolascarrion5055]

I love OpenSuse, but man the packagekit update manager should be removable if you wish to, without needing to mask the service. Also zypper needs some parallel downloading so bad, as DNF does

[@TheAtoldasROCAS]

they should change the name from PoP OS to Cosmic OS. Looks like more suitable.

[@necrothitude]

SLE going for 19 years of support just screams "someone in the EU is willing to pay lots of money to deploy this and never change it." If I were to guess, it's a government/military customer.

[@Thurgenev]

Steam is a great company, everybody is steams fanboy. The problem is saying steam isnot a monopoly having about 80% pc gaming marketshare. This behaviour is bad... particulary bad for content creators.

[@jorge86rodriguez]

I love valve and flat hub. I just wish flatpaks had an automatic way yo manage the permissions

[@Batwam0]

Something like Flatseal?

[@MustafaNawrozi-t3r]

Все понятно и по теме, долго искал годную связку

[@MENTOKz]

cosmic is going to be DOPE bro

[@Deezter16]

10:20 brutal

[@albundy7718]

Linux Mint 22.0 „Wilma“ Beta

[@genjii931]

What happened to your lighting? It's so dark this time.

[@michael_tunnell]

I was trying something new this week and it didn’t turn out that well, I’ll make adjustments for next episode. It will be back to normal or better

[@Bhethar]

Can’t wait for cosmic! I really hope it will fix GNOME’s peculiarities like being resource heavy compared to KDE, having to use a website to get extensions and being aggressively anti customisation 🤣 I love GNOME but I lost

[@michael_tunnell]

For me GNOME is kind of anti customization, they purposefully don’t even let extensions work out of the box, you have to jump through hoops first to get them to work, it’s a bummer.I think COSMIC will be much more customizable than GNOME because they are starting from scratch scratch because of the limitations of GNOME but I guess we will have to wait and see

[@mmstick]

Through Rust, we can reach for greater levels of multi-threading and optimization work; whilst having little concern for introducing regressions in the process. In that regard, we are already very competitive with other desktops-including Sway. Last week, the compositor gained thread-per-output rendering, so each display now gets its own CPU thread for managing its rendering and elements. It also contained some improvements for surface scheduling that drastically reduced CPU usage for some applications-such as Firefox when rendering PDFs. I've heard some early reports from people with older systems capped to 4 GB RAM that are running smoother on COSMIC than Sway. Although our desktop apps use Vulkan rendering by default, so having Vulkan hardware support will be the most efficient code path. Extension-wise, we already have most of the popular GNOME extensions implemented as first party applets. Panels are configurable in a similar fashion to Xfce and KDE.

[@kolz4ever1980]

valve always being the damn best which is why I don't even see a need for any other launcher for my games on my pc. Either on steam or gtfo for me.

[@louisfifteen]

Is this pdf editor better than the one we already have in Libreoffice's Draw? Hehehe Suite/sweet news, you just can't help yourself huh?

[@michael_tunnell]

Libreoffice draw isn’t really a PDF editor exactly is it? As for the dad joke, lol no I have no choice

[@louisfifteen]

@@michael_tunnell Well, it actually is. We have used it as such. Didn't you know that you could use Draw as a PDF editor?

[@breadmoth6443]

did your mic die or something ?

[@michael_tunnell]

I was trying something new this week and it didn’t turn out that well, I’ll make adjustments for next episode. It will be back to normal or better

[@ytbone9430]

What happened to the focus and the light? Why did you downgrade to a blurry dark talking blob? o)

[@michael_tunnell]

I was trying something new this week and it didn’t turn out that well, I’ll make adjustments for next episode. It will be back to normal or better

[@ytbone9430]

@@michael_tunnell Ok! Thanks.. o)

[@bitterseeds]

Cosmic Logo looks like a train to me. 🤔

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

It doesn’t look like a very minimalistic astronaut at all

[@screenoholic]

Fix you camera please. The low fps on your face with higher everywhere else triggers my motion sickness.

[@screenoholic]

And stop asking us to leave comment after every section of news. It is irritating.

[@michael_tunnell]

I thought I fixed the video issue this week. Is the framerate still an issue this week?

[@screenoholic]

@@michael_tunnell Yes, sadly it's still there. Does it not appear wrong on your displays? 😳

[@louisfifteen]

OMG System 76 is taking their time. For how long have they been working on this Cosmic Desktop, how many years now? I have been waiting so long and my patience is gone. Okay, I will continue watching your show, lol

[@mgord9518]

An entire DE from scratch is a huge undertaking. There's a reason why most DEs are based on existing ones and re-use tools.

[@louisfifteen]

@@mgord9518 I know. I'm just very impatient.

[@mmstick]

My dude, it's been exactly 2 years. That's a record breaking timeframe for producing an entire GUI toolkit, compositor, and DE.

[@louisfifteen]

@@mmstick That may well be my Dude. I am still impatient because I want it yesterday.

[@elton9412]

I bid you farewell too

[@hindigente]

Another great episode.

[@outforbeer]

Steam like shadow play would be great

[@crazystupidgamer]

Cosmic's branding looks hypercool. I love it

[@davidalright]

Hey mate you got a problem with your videos. Low FPS bad quality and bad sound. It wasn't like that before. You should check it out. Something is def wrong.

[@michael_tunnell]

I’m aware of the audio issue, and next week will be fixed. Is the framerate still an issue this week?

[@davidalright]

@@michael_tunnell Yes it is. The video is blurry/slowmotion. Your last four uploads only are like that. Don’t think it’s on KZbin’s side. Changed anything in your render settings while exporting maybe ? Good luck! 🤗 Keep bringing us those nice vids. David

[@realmwatters2977]

ASTRONAUT

[@TheEricDangerous]

An idea of Canonical's embarrassment after Google lays off the flutter team ? When we explain that we need to get Google (or Microsoft) out of the Linux development loop...

[@guilherme5094]

It's a astronaut!

[@mavfan1]

We already judge you for other reasons (weak thumbs) so there's no reason to add being a Steam fan-boy to the list.

[@michael_tunnell]

LOL savage!

[@diuran1919]

uu this time your recording is bad in sound and video. THX for news.

[@michael_tunnell]

The audio is not as good as last week but I wouldn’t call it bad, at least you can understand what I’m saying and there’s no static interference. Gotta look in the bright side 😁 But seriously the audio will be fixed next week, I’m not sure what is wrong on the video ends of things, I thought I fixed the framerate. Is the framerate still an issue this week?

[@KnightRiderOfVoid]

​@@michael_tunnell camera seems weird, frame rate seems low, I think the lightning and muffled sound don't help the perceived quality. Anyway, I don't think it's too bad, as long as the news part on screen looks clear and fluid I'm ok, and yes, the audio needs to be good but not really an issue as long as I don't hear weird sounds or artifacts.

[@scientiac]

It's definitely an astronaut

[@monabuu]

Bro is making the quality worse every episode Man, I really like your show but with the frame rate, audio and (lack of) lighting, this is barely watchable

[@michael_tunnell]

The new style I tried didn’t work, I learned that but not uploading and re-recording would have not been possible this week so I had to accept it. I can absolutely guarantee that next week everything will be back to normal or better. Although I thought the frame rate was fixed this time

[@KnightRiderOfVoid]

It's a news summary, don't be a biatch. Go read the articles yourself if it bothers you so much. I'm on boart with letting him know that we see an issue in his video, but giving him a hard time and saying it's barely watchable just because the quality is not 100%? Nah, you just want to complain because you want others to feed you the news with a spoon, like a baby that only knows how to cry imstead of talking in a reasonable way.

[@KnightRiderOfVoid]

​@@michael_tunnell thankfully you take it well and already are trying to improve it, but don't stress too much, it's definitely watchable and I can understand. Sure the audio and lightning will be better when you go back to the old way, but don't stress about these overreacting, selfish and rude comments. They will not leave because they don't like reading, it's just a tantrum to get your attention.

[@fabricio4794]

Im on Linux and i dont care bout Steam...Long Life to Emulation...

[@thechroniclesofcriss942]

the Cosmic logo looks to me like yet another one in a long line of minimalist, super-basic, uninspiring corporate logos. it's [just] a corporate logo IMO.

[@mehr5821]

"Do you judge me for being a Steam fanboy?" No Michael, that's actually decent. I judge you for all these stupid quirky asides you've been making in these episodes. Stop with the stupid jokes and your personal opinions please dude just read the news. Stop saying "also" 50 times in the same minute focus on the meat of this show. You get more details wrong than you think and it doesn't flow well. How about you stop trying to be like every other creator with half-baked clownery and do something unique like informing us? This entire year, this show is slowly getting more annoying to listen to.

[@leobardek]

you could invest in a better camera to record these videos

[@michael_tunnell]

My camera is not the issue, not sure what it is. Before a few episodes ago everything was great and now it’s been funky. Not sure what happened but I’ll fix it

[@Algeriawindows69]

brother fix your framerate

[@michael_tunnell]

I was trying something new this week and it didn’t turn out that well, I’ll make adjustments for next episode. It will be back to normal or better

[@bakaata]

linux users always be having problems with audio and video bruh its so annoying

[@michael_tunnell]

I was trying something new this week and it didn’t turn out that well, I’ll make adjustments for next episode. It will be back to normal or better

[@amanterobot]

I don't get the point of all these expectations on this so called "cosmic" desktop. In a world of DE with Gnome, kde, cinnamon, budgie, xfce and so on, what do you expect from this new DE ? It will probably do the same things other DE do. Apart from the fact the looking at the alpha version it looks like Gnome. It sounds to me like reinventing the wheel 🛞.

[@laszloszabo7536]

Personally I expect that it's going to be a stable polished distro with actual backing (system 76) and that comes with a lot of expected benefits. 1. Enough money to have a good team working on it. 2. Expecting it to have design polish and support considering they have a lot of companies using their laptops with POP-os. 3. A new wayland DE that's easily usable with a lot of distros and is modular(unlike gnome) follows the direction of the community (unlike gnome). Basically a lot people (including me) hopes that it's going to give us a polished, new desktop option on Linux and might take away from Gnomes market-share potentially making the linux desktop more modular, less opinionated in the direction of what Gnome people thing (like no theming, server side decoration, etc.) and offer us a more stable alternative to KDE. Hope that makes sense

[@thingsiplay]

There is no DE that does things the way the Cosmic team wants to. Gnome is weird and makes it hard for anyone trying to change things up, won't implement certain Wayland stuff and so on. KDE is very complex and probably not what they want. And this goes on to all other DEs. With Cosmic they have full control over every aspect of the DE and are not dependent on anyone else.

[@Hid4ri]

@@amanterobot I think some people want an out of the box experience of things they end up spending so much time configuring themselves. It makes having to re install or install on multiple devices they style you like saving time so you can use your computer for reasons other than tinkering like using apps to get things done or have fun with. I also get people like to tinker, this brings on the amazing world of Linux, there is choice on however you want it. If you don't like it, don't use it and stick with your favourite, it really is as simple as that. If you prefer to use a unified os that dictates one way because they believe it should be the only way, then use windows or Mac os. For me cosmic makes gnome they way I want without messing around wasting my day configuring it with finding and installing then tweaking all the right plugins.

[@amanterobot]

thanks everybody for your explanations. Now i got a general idea of what to expect. So at this point I just need to wait and give it a try. 👋🏻👋🏻

[@mgord9518]

Never understood hating on alternatives. Cosmic has some unique stuff going on, but even if it were just a GNOME clone without the politically-obsessed devs, it would still be worth it.

[@101kawsar]

I appreciate what Rust is great for, but written in Rust seems like the wrong reason to be excited about Cosmic.

[@mmstick]

People have every right to be excited about a desktop written in Rust that they can both contribute to and be able to benefit from. No more segfaults or runtime JS/GObject errors. A software store that's 20x faster than KDE and GNOME's. Multi-threaded compositor with high performance. Multi-threaded applications that don't freeze.

[@hazelora]

omg the cosmic branding is so bad :( so sad, such a promising project

[@PyVerse-47]

how about mentioning some of linux sucks by lunduke topics sometimes buddy? be more useful to the ecosystem

[@ianakotey]

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