TVJ Smile Jamaica | Kumina Misunderstood or Feared?

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[@ampsa84]

So amazing to see the cultural awakening taking place in Jamaica. It is so vital for our identity and attitude towards life. I went to Cuba a couple years ago and was amazed by how the African cultural retention helped the people to stay strong. Everyone respect the culture and the youths find purpose in it and stay away from gang and violence. I was also amazed because it reminded of the Jamaica my grandmother talked about. It also perplexes me how Jamaica label African culture as obeah and bad, there's so much church and Christians yet the island is full of wickedness. While a country like cuba where most African descendants hold unto their African traditions and have a low crime rate.

[@tehuti2994]

Love and preserve our culture

[@caribbeanteacher4810]

Doc took me on my first trip to Watt Town and I will never forget her for it. Zion, Pukkumina, Kumina lives on.

[@hwworklifejourney2149]

I love this discussion let kumina live

[@andrewdawes3070]

I wish one day Jamaicans embrace their African culture. The culture is all within the Jamaican culture, from the language and food. Obeah is derived from many different African spiritual system and was used to resist colonial powers, and freedom for the enslaved. Its development is still growing. We no longer fighting the white man in change, so those aggressive measures are not needed in the same way. Kumina is on the same level. These systems could free Jamaica and build it with a righteousness foundation, so the people can flourish . The Europeans did not outlawed these practices because it was evil, but because it empowered the enslaved African in Jamaica. Do people use any spiritual system to do dirty? yes they do, but in Africa spiritual systems the stress is to live in a character of righteousness, when not done penalties will occur. Ancestors demand character. Period. Why because they are concerned with the development of the community. They don't want to return in a impoverished, drug infestation, gun shooting area, or humans of the same hue or culture at odds with one another. I don't personally practice Obeah or kumina, but under as I am practicing ifa and 5%, which can be misunderstood to some people, but I understand and that what counts. We fear what we don't understand and what you can not conquer. These practices help you to be in alignment with the cosmos, and nature. We see the creator through nature. ... all creatures are manifestation of the creator. We are not separate from the creator. Psalm 82 for my Christian family. The Muslims or sufist, say the creator is closer to your jugular or heart. This is African spiritual ity

[@andrewdawes3070]

Kumina brings me peace and joy when hearing the drums.

[@Jahton.]

But the drums can’t also can be used against a person

[@YawAsafo]

Bigups tuh di Afrikan Ancesta dem. Eye man nuh bizznizz weh ignorant people seh bout Afrikan Spiritual Systems. Unnu praise dead white man but unnu cyaan praise unnu own Ancesta dem.

[@oraltraditions6127]

Many of the younger people in St. Thomas don't even know how dangerous these practises entail. "Play with puppy, puppy licks your mouth."

[@R1M1r1m1]

I was wondering why Obeah was a bad thing as well. Isn't it all about the intention? You can use it for good and bad just like christianity.

[@QueenKJB2014]

I think it’s because they made Obeah, illegal in Jamaica. So it has been viewed in a bad light throughout the years.

[@tristanstefano8099]

This was great

[@jemts5586]

This was great! I'd love to see more from those two ladies, what they're researching and discovering. I'd also like to see a conversation on Obeah, and its roots, and how it's been perceived over time.

[@nylahubbard5319]

🎉nice

[@fitzbryden5642]

Kumnia is a Drum music with Deep spiritual Base if you dont have you cant get it the Best music Ever

[@andrewdawes3070]

We don't need to throw away our traditions, but the further develop, and improve on. When you work with the Ancestors you understand this. We don't need to use charms for foolishness like love spells or putting hex on people with bad mind. If the system is not transforming your mind set then something is wrong. The days of going to spirit for unrighteousness is about over. Things have changed, so people doing such things in whatever religion or spiritual system will have problems. The African will rise again in all our glory and more. Ase

[@rosaworksrosaworks9410]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@ce_lice_li2474]

You can clearly see and hear the bias on the part of the interviewer . We have been taught that anything African is bad.

[@valenalford1307]

Big up yourself Rocky

[@user-zc3ms5zm6y]

My grandmother always claimed her parents were from the Congo, she only knew her grandfather as Captain. We were skeptical as she was born in Westmoreland. My mom did her DNA, she is 99% african, her 1% white was from her father's side and 56% congolese. Her family name was also Allen. More Jamaicans need to do their DNA.

[@kushsakhu]

The interviewers need to put on their Africa head top for this interview. ❤️💛💚

[@dominicphillips5532]

Great interview, thank you for sharing! Shame there had to be someone who seemed to only want to steer the conversation to a negative direction, taking away from a progressive movement

[@shernetstewart5819]

Watch Rocky him big up St Thomas me place

[@shyneempress6059]

I would like to be a part of this

[@illmatic33]

From the drum start play me nerves start jump. This was practiced in form of setups in the 90's in St. Elizabeth... To mourn the dead. I went back and couldn't believe when I see sound system string up. Tradition died out.

[@elsarobinson4574]

Thanks or this interview. I think the interviewers need to listen more and talk less. When you ask a question, let the person answer you. Also, do more research and prepare better questions. I'm not so sure about using Kumina for tourism. That really seems to bypass the primary function of Kumina which is healing. Overall, it's good to see our African traditions being featured on your show.

[@calbertbrooks4849]

Good one

[@JullianLue]

Rate empress ❤

[@ninjaguy3]

Lol he called it myth

[@yasmindixon3358]

Truth is a pathless land; religion binds one to one lane:" I am the only way, ...lest you believe in me, ....otherwise eternal damnation etc... many a religious war was fought over this premise. Spirituality aligns one with the laws of nature and the circle and cycles of life, death & resurrection: hence the important role of ancestors in preserving the circle. There is no scripture or received text. Maintaining a high vibration or life condition via dance and drumming, trance etc.,;Africans knew as the path of salvation 10,000 years before Christ walked the earth.

[@nylahubbard5319]

Nuh chat

[@ninjaguy3]

Why they used that so called drummer??? He don't believe in nuttn

[@aileanjames233]

It just a Culture

[@iiSneakX]

Fears it’s obeah

[@oraltraditions6127]

Jamaica is totally submerged in obeah practises now. Historically, little obeah popped up here and there, and some folks hid their involvement, but today, everybody is involved. Even pastors and church members are involved. Good, bad, and indifferent. Politicians, government officials, business people and Jamaica is at a place of no return. We talk about people dying everyday in Jamaica, uno no see nutten yet. Peace has been taken from the earth, and people are killing one another ( Revelation 6). Jamaicans must return to prayer and fasting. The Catholic Church destorted the movement Jesus started. He did not call them Christians, He called them apostles, and they were first called Christians in Antioch because of the love they showed to one another. Jesus founded his Church in Act 2, and from then, the church grew. From 120 men to 3000 men, to 5,000. Constantine flawed Christ's church. People from Antioch said the apostle act like Christ, so they called them Christians. We are Jamaicans, so they call us, Jamaicans. There is a church called Elim, and many times they refer to themselves as Elimites.

[@uncensoredreasoning1012]

Christianity isn't our thing we are Bantu Israelites who were scattered and our ancestors taken to this world obeah and myal is different but obeah like the Bible can be used for both good and bad we need to get back to out ancestoral roots and leave this religion go back to the Torah and Our ancestoral practices

[@oraltraditions6127]

@@uncensoredreasoning1012 Everybody needs to know who Jesus is. A life without Jesus is a useless life. There is no other name whereby men must be saved, but the name of Jesus Christ if Nazareth. The whole world had been in sin until Jesus came to save us frim sin. He came to reconcile us back to God. It is simple, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved or reject him and end up in eternal damnation- hell fire. Ask God to receal Himself to you. Tradition and ancestral practices are devilish, wicked, godless, and detrimental. You need a life of prayer, seek the Lord and you will find Him. Spend time to know Him. Your life will changed for the better. I trust God to lead you out of darkness into His marvelous lifht.

[@cjames9588]

Kumina is not a religion

[@RBB8S]

I heard Kumina is more like Cuban Palo (also Congo based) in the sense it doesn't as an extensive mythology as the Yoruba religion in Cuba for example. But you can still call it a religion.

[@maryjs4878]

C james did you not watch the video?? It says that kumina is a religion.

[@cjames9588]

@@maryjs4878 and I’m saying it isn’t 😂

[@maryjs4878]

@@cjames9588 you're saying its not a religion because it's an African religion. But for you..you believe that only European religion is a religion.

[@Caseylacey]

It’s a spiritual practise.

[@dorothygriffiths649]

I must posit a comment to address one of the points made by one of the host. "Christianity was not used to rape us' as you suggested. It is best to do qualitative research before addressing a topic such as Kumina/Obeah. If you are ignorant of the information on these topics step back and allow the real experts to speak. Obeah in itself is a very sensitive (evil) I will just leave things as is for now. What I would suggest though is, if you attempt to pick this topic up in another forum is to be handled skillfully when trying to examine its origin and influence. It is very heavy that's all I will say at the time. We have been exposed mountain knowledge due to the advancement in technology, travels and research than ever before on the last 10-20 years. Many of the practices we hold dear to and repeat as part of the African culture and we deem cultural we should stand back and take a closer look at them and consider whether it's truly wise to uphold..Even some African Christians would suggest the same opinion that I am positing. We claim to be a Christian country, so with that let us really examine some of the things we retain that does not necessarily make for good and worthy for us to mimic or should just serve as knowledge to enlighten and allow to rest.

[@dorothygriffiths649]

Da Boot , “Where is your evidence?”

[@king-red18]

@@dorothygriffiths649 lol wow are you that much in denial ? Try looking at "'our" real history for a start . It might help you alot

[@dorothygriffiths649]

@@king-red18 As scholars when we posit it’s from the standpoint of scholarly evidence, documentation or artifacts: do you possess any of the lot? Then shhhhhhh!

[@tamahlhazelwood7320]

Interesting. I can't speak learnedly for the experience of St. Thomas nor Jamaica, but I can speak upon the experience of what transpired in the North American Colonies. Indeed, the semetic (Abrahamic faiths) have always been used as a tool of conquest of the African (Diaspora) mind, with Christian proselytization being the primary component. Ironically enough, due to the structure of African spirituality, displaced Africans were able to amend and adapt Christian principles to make it fit and work for their experience. This effect is quite the contrary in vice versa. Christian adherents have a very difficult time understanding African spiritual principles and often times demean them. I champion the idea of relinquishing all Semitic tenets or principles and practicing religions/spiritualities that our forebears put forth before the advent of the Christian conversion. I digress. I agree, there needs to be serious mass examination of the African Spirituality of the colonies (parishes, provinces, cities etc) From Kumina, Vodun, Obeah, to Santeria, Sango cult, IFA and other African based faiths we have work to do. Awa Sankofa!

[@melissamurray1328]

@@dorothygriffiths649 .so are you saying Bartholomew del Casas did not written to enslaved African people because we have no souls?! Are you saying the The Catholic church did not issue a Papal Bull to enslaved us which resulted in raping of slaves?! Maybe as a scholar you should read Thomas Thisstlewood diary on what he did in Jamaica and that was just one of