TVR vs VIPER

Steve Sutcliffe drives the TVR Cerbera 4.5 and the Chrysler Viper GTS

[@frankburns8871]

I was in love with the Viper from the day it debuted...but I'd take that TVR without having to think twice.

[@K22MDL]

Me too, I woiuldn't hesitate. Probably why I own another TVR, my seventh in 30 years.

[@18837ven]

Vipers and TVRs always have been such menacing cars to drive according to the stories. Automatically made these two brands my heroes, really hope to drive em one day

[@daverunner3397]

The boys in Blackpool built that one right

[@GT-fh5no]

I had a cerbera 4.5, I totally fell in love with that car. Real roller-coaster ownership

[@martinbond461]

I owned a Chimeara 500 in 2003. Awesome machine, but terrifying to drive fast in the wet!

[@iantownsend5480]

I do like the single head lights versions of the Cerebra more

[@sampagett5735]

I NEED a TVR in my life! One day...

[@jeffbanks9955]

can you believe these cars (especially the TVR) were designed in the 90's?? they still look modern and stylish today its crazy

[@tadficuscactus]

Jeff Banks stylishness isn't to do with the age of a car.

[@craigdixon7416]

The cerebera made me a tvr nut when it first came out I was 15 now 37 and still love them. 4.5 best spec but those tuscan light's don't work as well as the originals. The viper I love particularly in that colour with the stripe like a relatively modern shelby daytona coupe, there both fantastic just need that lottery win.

[@scottjoplin.1429]

Next year they’ll be old enough to bring to the US, and therefore won’t have to follow EPA safety regulations. Can’t wait for 2021.

[@vadenummela9353]

Everytime I watch a video like this, every year it sinks in more that 1. Cars like this will never again be built. 2. Cars like this that have been built will never cost as little as they do now. And right now im the furthest away ive been from affording to get one, and I will be further away next year.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

god that viper dash looks like Fisher Price made it

[@ZondaF355]

Great vid! Would love to see a series from you guys. Thanks

[@krocialblack]

Everyone can have an opinion. Everyone can have their own unique taste. But if anyone has the nerve to trash either of these cars, deserves to be thrown in a mental hospital. Both of these cars where given high praises by journalist, race car drivers, and everyday people around the world for decades. And here I am in the comment section seeing either *A.* a bunch of eurotrash yuppie/hipster wannabes shitting on the Viper, knowing there was a time they had the same Viper posted on their walls when they where younger. Or *B.* I bunch red white and blue blooded patriots shitting on the TVR because "It ain't from good ol' Murica". At the end. No matter what your taste is. Or where you *COME* from... You *HAVE* to respect *BOTH* of these cars for what they do. Bringing joy to the lives of millions of gear heads everywhere! *DONE*

[@ricardocandeias9554]

and with that you end with all discussions about supercars or sports cars.

[@paxhumana2015]

Zak Jansen , oh, hey, we have a racist Eurotwat that is pissed because someone shit over their Fascist made vehicles.

[@paxhumana2015]

Zak Jansen, how about you take your OWN advice about speaking before you comment, you fucktard?

[@markmark5269]

The Viper was nothing but a power house. It was heavy, handled poorly, and was seriously underbraked. Numbers of prod-class races in the day would see them out front for a few laps due to their power advantage, to only then run out of brakes, and have the field catch and pass them. And of course the fuel bills were staggering.

[@mr.butterworth]

A TVR Cerbera is one of a few cars I'd love to import into the US someday. And if I can park an old school Viper in the garage with it, just call me lucky.

[@lugiakane470]

Mista Butterworth if u could try a cerbera speed 12 7.7 v12 :) put some hair on ya ass

[@gerardmontgomery280]

The car even TVR though was too mental to put into production.

[@Brangeta]

This was fantastic, please do a video featuring my favorite TVR, the Tuscan, in the future. Being in the US, I've loved the Tuscan ever since I discovered it in Gran Turismo in the 90s, and have never seen a proper review.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

That Cerbera is lovely. Viper too cheesy for me.

[@ponyempiresunite9702]

The scariest 90's era cars ever built.

[@lillnemo1]

to me, the viper always looked like something was off, like the wheels being way to small for the arches the tvr looks more balanced and finished

[@DTCJimmy]

TVR is in a different league. If you are worried about reliability, in Essex and maybe elsewhere a garage upgrades the parts that are a common issue and makes them reliable, it costs a pretty penny but afterwards the only negative to the TVR is the safety aspects lol and basically the TVR motto of "Don't crash then" just continues. I'd love to own a few TVR's, theyre so wacky and different while still being amazing and unique English cars.

[@nelsonclub7722]

I had a Cerbera and all it wanted to do was kill me - I loved it. But then if you do a buy a car that is named after the dog that guards the gates of hell what should you expect other than to arrive there not only going backwards at 150mph+ but screaming and already on fire?

[@scottjoplin.1429]

Hey, at least it has good storage. And if you get the factory-spec oil problem fixed, the thing is great.

[@Jonathan_Doe_]

TVR’s late 90’s early 00’s designs have definitely dated better than the first gen viper. And that vipers interior just looks shite. Also the random parts TVR used mainly came from British/EU models of cars so they’re way easier to find here than the GM parts bin selection the Vipers made of.

[@Epotheros]

The Viper was all about performance per dollar while sacrificing everything. The Viper was a significantly superior track car to the TVR, but its interior was significantly worse. Also, the Viper is a Dodge so it would have more parts in common with Lamborghini and Mercedes in the late 90s than it would have with GM.

[@ErosGalaxia]

@@Epotheros in no way the Viper is the better track car. The Cerbera weighs 1,000 lbs less and has 37 more HP. It’s the lightness thats gives it a huge advantage over the Viper. What was the point of Dodge sacrificing everything but performance when TVR gave you everything and performance while still being slightly cheaper than the Viper and offering arguably better performance. The Cerbera hunted down supercars of it’s time and always has been the underdog.

[@UbERRetroGamer8432]

@@ErosGalaxia Uhh... Should I tell him guys?

[@tadficuscactus]

I'd go with the cerbera.

[@kingcurry6594]

The Viper is amazing, but the TVR is just astonishing. It handles much better, for a start, and looks far better, especially inside. And very reliable if properly maintained and used correctly. There is a Cerbera Speed Six on my drive (my son's). The only thing I like more is my own Chimaera 4.5 in my garage - because I can take the roof off mine!

[@lugiakane470]

King Curry tvr are noted for the oversteer but with skill and understanding there rip ass drifting cars

[@glennoc8585]

Lugia Kane mine has the hydratrak duff which makes such a difference. The steering rack ratio is race so it does not need much input. personally I prefer oversteer to under.

[@kingcurry6594]

@@glennoc8585 God yes.

[@JT1000RS]

TVR

[@aspieotaku3580]

TVR and Aston Martin British muscle!

[@ducedevlstear2471]

I'm glad it's something wrong with your camera and not my phone 😉 Great little video, thank you 🥃🎩

[@FROOB202]

I'll take the Viper's exterior and engine and the TVR's interior thanks

[@mattnicholls1992]

Fool

[@FROOB202]

Matt N no u

[@Jaymobe07]

Looks are subjective as i feel the lines on the viper are way better. The greenhouse on the tvr just seems to elongated. Now for engine i can see why. Mechanically, vipers are way cheaper to own.

[@scottjoplin.1429]

Jaymobe07 Do note that the TVR weighs just over 1000 kg.

[@derbyjr]

I'm sorry, "Crusty old Chrysler"?! When did this guy become Jeremy Clarkson?

[@timorgano]

+American Track Master Because only Clarkson can dislike the tat the Chrysler put out, right?

[@derbyjr]

+TheOrgano id prefer just to every type of car guy to get along. But if you want to go there, at least the Viper isn't made out of plastic.

[@timorgano]

I wasn't mocking the Viper. I love the Viper. I just don't like the fact someone not liking a car being likened to Clarkson. Also, there's nothing wrong with the fibreglass TVR, It makes it light.

[@keyboardwarrior327]

With the TVR, the exterior was made of plastic. With the Viper, the interior was made of plastic.

[@thelonelywolf88]

@@keyboardwarrior327 this is the mid 90s, and Dodge wasn't too concerned with flashy stuff in the interior. It was all about how it performs. After all, it was about $60k new and that's a lot of bang for your buck

[@MatthewMorseCA]

So much fun seeing my buddy Graham's Viper GTS being driven and shown in a positive video review article. This still has to be my favorite modern muscle car in years...nothing like the lines and the V10 power!! #AmericanMuscleCars But wait... only £35K ?!? Here a great shape CA car goes for US$45-60K... quite a bargain still for all that muscle!!

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

+Matthew Morse a cerb is quite a bit less than £35K. Two on Pistonheads today are £13K and 25K, Vipers for sale - £45K, £50K and £80K!!!

[@glennoc8585]

SNORKYMEDIA but that verb for 14k will be a restoration car.

[@willywonker5388]

Good review, two amazing cars!

[@kingcurry6594]

There's a Viper lives about 100m from me, along with a Mustang. Add in my TVR Chimaera 4.5 and 2 others about 400m and the area can get just a bit noisy.

[@juststuff5216]

Never understand why you'd want a V8 to sound like a ford focus 4-pot.

[@agt155]

cross-plane V8's are for Cadillacs not sports cars.

[@carharttblade]

Hah all the Ferraris use flatplane v8, thats what gives them that sound, this should sound exactly like that, idk why is his sound so shite but can be fixed

[@lifeoncars5345]

They don't sound like a crusty focus at all and videos will never do them justice. Theyre literally a race engine in a road car. Proper racey, gritty flat plane v8 soundtrack 👌. Only the educated understand

[@glennoc8585]

Drive one you'll know your not in a Ford Focus

[@thelonelywolf88]

It's great to see how much the Brits love the Viper. It was the most breathtaking car I've ever seen as a kid, and back then I had no idea what it was

[@cedeking3855]

Viper guy here and im Italian, i don't read sincerely many brits love for the Viper, everyone talking shits about Viper, they clearly never driven one 😅

[@thelonelywolf88]

@@cedeking3855 and then you get Jeremy Clarkson who talks shit about American cars, yet he had a soft spot for the Viper when it first came out in his Top Gear review

[@aubs400]

Nah, the Cerb is far more extroverted. And better

[@tonyoshea8073]

The Viper looks way better on the outside, The TVR looks dated but the interior of that TVR is spectacular.

[@Arayig1982]

TVR has a Borg Warner Gearbox so does the Chrysler, but the TVR is the older non syncromesh first/reverse T5 while the Viper's was a T56 more modern and robust, thus one would think the viper's should have been crisper shifting.

[@totallyskint5899]

That horrible interior in the Viper lets it down so i would take the TVR it also looks better . I miss TVRs they didnt play the same game as the big boys.

[@hendawg3048]

As an American who loves cars i would take that TVR over the Viper any day!

[@DarkKnight-yz2wg]

As an American I have to go with Viper. Cheaper to maintain here. Plus more power

[@EugVR6]

Both please😎

[@v1sual3rr0r]

Since when is a T-56 out of a truck. Aston Martin and Corvette have used this truck transmission...

[@Arayig1982]

Dodge Ram SRT10, 2004-2006

[@jimikestell2672]

T56 is better box than the t5 box the tvr has

[@1183newman]

really wish someone would attempt a review of a speed 12, so little information is available on it

[@tomroberts5805]

sam newman there is only one real speed 12 on the road. Only one with the tvr made 7.7 v12 the others had non tvr engines.

[@gerardmontgomery280]

They built two prototypes Peter Wheeler himself tried the road car and said they wouldn't build it. If he thought it was too powerful, I'm inclined to agree. It was a car with modern hypercar specs but built with late 90's technology. A Koenigsegg One:1 built 15 years too early.

[@kingcurry6594]

@@gerardmontgomery280 Peter Wheeler never drove the Speed 12. It's a myth. He was 6'5'' and I couldn't get in it at 6'1'', so he certainly couldn't. I was with W112BHG a few weeks ago, just before it went to auction, and it is a mighty impressive car. My son has been out on the road in it as he has detailed it many times and knows the former owner. The other road going Speed 12 has an Aston V12 in it and is now silver (it was purple).

[@bigmarkdarula]

Exhaust doesn’t give you 60hp.

[@LawrenceTimme]

Not on a Honda no, but on an 8l v10 if you let a monster like that breathe it can make a massive difference. With a big engine like this a lot of airflow makes a big difference.

[@dreray4077]

His last words, You should ALL listen too, Thats truth.

[@z06dave]

I love the Cerbera but I have to disagree, half the appeal of these cars is the look, sound and character. The TVR is amazing but it doesn't have the hot wheels appeal of the Viper. It's so recognisable and striking. Yeah it's not gonna be as good, and yeah the interior is shoddy but it all adds to its charm. I'd take the Viper. A fellow Brit.

[@thelonelywolf88]

+Dave Checkley As an American, ever since it debuted in 92, the Viper was so stunning to look at and when I see one on the road, it takes my breath away

[@kingcurry6594]

@@thelonelywolf88 What does your guide dog say?

[@thelonelywolf88]

Hands down I go with the Dodge Viper. BTW I cringe when I hear it called the Chrysler Viper

[@paxhumana2015]

That's how they are sold in the UK, +Colin Donovan.

[@epicengines2565]

gotta love the low riding truck, right?

[@thelonelywolf88]

Pax Humana Still, it doesn't roll off the tongue as smoothly

[@epicengines2565]

Colin Donovan guess what. NOBODY CARES

[@JDStoneCreations]

Ha. I'm quite pleased with myself. When you posted the preview video of this I guessed both cars right, having never been in either :D What's Steve doing away from Autocar anyway?

[@glennoc8585]

I have a low mileage 97 Cerbera 4.2 in Australia for sale.

[@ryanlewis9953]

So prefer the death trap or the other death trap? Take your pick.

[@alexandertroy9621]

The TVR is a death WISH! It's the most fun you can have committing suicide!!!!

[@justindaley2460]

The TVR looks like an updated version of a Jensen CV8 - staggeringly, you never hear this mentioned.

[@lewistaylor8262]

+Justin Daley Probably because it looks nothing fucking like it par the lights

[@justindaley2460]

Lewis Taylor - Obviously not the interior, which in the case of the TVR was styled by a child with an oversized pot of 'play-doh'. If you are unable to trace the similarities in form as well as ethos between the CV8 and Cerbera then I question your objectivity. And 'par the lights'??

[@lewistaylor8262]

Justin Daley I despise the interiors of TVRs, genuinely don't know what was going on in the design front, or why the hell they proceeded to do the same idiocy in every model. I wouldn't question my objectivity, considering your point was that nobody noticed the similarities - because there's barely any. And 'Par the lights' meaning 'apart from the lights' within the implication that there is mild similarity there.

[@lugiakane470]

Justin Daley bit like saying triumph tr7 is a lancia stratos haha

[@justindaley2460]

You can be in no doubt that Peter Wheeler would have been very familiar with the CV8. Not only the radical front-end styling, but the recessed shut-lines to hide poor fibreglass fitting tolerances, to the similar roof/side-glass profiles. Also the lairy motor in a lightweight body, 4 seats etc etc etc. The Cerbera just looks like a CV8 that has been sat upon by an elephant.

[@temelerdinch528]

I go for the Viper

[@poorfordtransitowner1627]

Cerbera any day

[@datsie14]

i wish i could drive a tvr.... man

[@ramshaar2597]

The viper build for the wilder kind of driving if thats what you like the cerbera is not less better "more kind of lady on wheels "☺👍

[@lugiakane470]

drag race drag race drag race

[@tomroberts5805]

Lugia Kane it's already been done on an old top gear home video. The tvr won by a substantial margin.

[@paxhumana2015]

+candsmagaine, you should try the newest generation of Viper that has about 650 HP in its engine.

[@lugiakane470]

Pax Humana were on about 90's viper and tvrs not modern versions else it would be an acr viper vs tvr typhon

[@markmark5269]

But why is it that TVR owners often sell off their TVRs? There's plenty of used TVRs for sale

[@glennoc8585]

Marriage, family, loss of license, or older age. Seriously all these things are reasons that people state.

[@kingcurry6594]

I've just bought a 2nd one.

[@chris1.2]

still think the cerbera is the best looking car ever made, especially when they updated the headlights, shame about the interior finish.

[@frankytexas741]

Ah yes cars that want to demolish the driver! Eaven so I would love a tvr when im older!

[@dragod7233]

can you get TVR with steering wheel on left side ?

[@dcanmore]

yes... www.carandclassic.co.uk/list/100/lhd/

[@utubecomment21]

Never understood why TVR would take such an engine and make it sound like a 4-pot Vauxhall!

[@utubecomment21]

Lugia Kane What was that drivel? When you're ready to answer my question about the sound of the engine, you will let me know won;t you.

[@tadficuscactus]

utubecomment21 because flat plane crank V8s sound like inline 4 s.

[@bobrodriguez3651]

TVR!

[@xlukas1811]

Обе тачки огонь

[@-LK34-]

Dodge Viper**

[@SupercarsGT]

I love TVR, British design belong to american power. The Cerbera is amazing :D and the Viper is american power

[@robroyce6845]

too bad you didnt compare a TVR Griffith 500 with a Dodge Viper...just sayin...

[@ilmaio]

You compare these two cars without the drag race? It's like a porn movie without a coitus...

[@arebrec]

Compared to the Cerbera, that Viper is as ugly on the inside as it is on the out. It hasn't aged half as well as the TVR.

[@conchobar]

Resale Value says otherwise

[@gerardmontgomery280]

The outside of the Viper may be ugly, but it's ugly in all the right ways. Interior is dire though. My Da's old Cortina, back when I was a kid, had a better cabin than that.

[@genericallyaccepted]

You guys have no sight for beauty. The viper looks great!

[@genericallyaccepted]

@@riskog8432 definitely on the weird side, but I really love both these cars. Thanks Gran Turismo

[@SandyCow]

RisK OG really? I think the headlights are amazing, I even prefer the later headlights

[@bertrandbugel3941]

Edd !!!! in Wheeler dealers !!!!! ^^

[@perival9547]

GT1 IA license anyone ?

[@liarliarliar6495]

Put them on a race track, we know who'd win.

[@deanodino4330]

The TVR.

[@gamergodx179]

Abzx_30_C you mean spin off the track and crash yea lol

[@kingcurry6594]

​@@gamergodx179 You may have driven a TVR on a games console. I've driven one in real life - a lot. When you have done so, you can comment in an informed manner. Until then, I'd keep quiet if I were you, so you don't look an idiot.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodju3406]

TVR

[@norfskate]

Never has a comparison been more overused than that fucking “it’s like a rifle” one 😒

[@worldhello1234]

@5:20 Surprisingly, you spout unfounded bullshit. Bullshit because unfounded. :) Objectively, it counts everywhere, since race tracks vary in layout.. Just compare the Nardo race track to the Nürburgring e. g. Keep in mind that TVRs are renown to vary in power output.

[@Zilla__man]

Chrysler Viper

[@hertzwave8001]

speed 12

[@tollyt7465]

Unfortunately there's only one and the owner has turned down eye watering offers for it.. You will soon be able to buy what is in effect a speed 12 replica homage from Helical Technologies. It's called the TR and is a 6litre V12 twin turbo putting out 1018hp in standard form.. HT engineers and staff are mostly ex TVR and they've already tested two prototypes.. A road car and a racing version...

[@sethdarvick7925]

TVR hands down.

[@thurmar111]

as an american id take the tvr over the "crusty old chrysler"

[@gerardmontgomery280]

Funny, as a Brit I'd have the snake. Guess it's a mater of the grass being greener on the other side. That said I love this 90's to early 2000's generation of TVRs, they where the last proper British sport car manufacturer.

[@thelonelywolf88]

The TVR is forbidden fruit for us Americans...at least until it's 25 years old

[@lewistaylor8262]

I don't "Have" to love the Viper. 'Cause I don't. TVR'll break the second you breathe on it but the Viper is just so...uninspiring. The only defence I seem to hear is "But it has an 8l V10" - which is a shit argument because it's one of the worst damn power-to-capacity engines I can think of. At least the TVR gets decent power for the engine size - sounds better too.

[@ThePandaBeat]

You talk about "shit argument" and then you mention HP/L as if it was something important? LOL

[@ThePandaBeat]

+Lewis Taylor First of all, we are talking about sportscars. Arguing about HP/L in this context is completely pointless. It's like having a hammer to hit a nail, hit said nail without problems and then arguing that it's a "shit" hammer because it's made of iron instead of chrome-vanadium or other alloy. Pointless. Stupid. Second, you imply that there's some kind of relationship between displacement and "quality"... that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Third. If you see a Viper and you immediately think of the size of the penis of the owner, there's a big chance that you might be a faggot.

[@lewistaylor8262]

+ThePandaBeat wow, got so far into an almost respectable incorrect argument then just ruined it in the end

[@mr.butterworth]

+ThePandaBeat is correct, your argument over engine efficiency is invalid here. Your implication is that there is only one good formula for high performance, and you criticize the Viper for not meeting your ideal. Then it's not the car for you, simple as that. As was mentioned in the review, the low end torque of the 8.0 V10 was quite considerable. But it's worth noting that the V10 was quite under tuned from the factory. Power levels of anywhere between 500 and 1,000+ horses are possible from that engine through various means… And comparing the engine notes of a relatively small displacement flat plane V8 and a V10 is just a matter of opinion, they're both acoustic oddballs.

[@kingcurry6594]

"TVR'll break the second you breathe on it" How many have you owned personally? My son and I have owned 6 between us and we've had 2 breakdowns in 10 years.

[@shaun0162]

8.0 L V10? Sign me up. The boys in the blue did it right.

[@stringer-ik1pc]

Put your shirt on. Its not grinder.

[@shaun0162]

@@stringer-ik1pc so just to be clear, you keep your eyes below when you're walking down the street?

[@Mahalo_83]

Dodge 🤔

[@ubacow7109]

TVR's greatest downfall was their logo imo.... I get this feeling british companies just dont care to design a proper badge....

[@lukepeita4568]

Stick to the TVR review

[@resnonverba137]

The Viper looks awful inside and out.

[@Senna-xi1gr]

TVR all day long.

[@scwahtski1882]

TVR CAAAAAAAR

[@richardharrold9736]

Neither of them sound particularly good. The TVR sounded a lot better with the Rover cross-plane crank V8, but it's certainly the prettier and more desirable of the two. However, I would want to swap the AJP-8 for a Speed Six straight-six or an LS V8 - probably an LS7. Stronger, more reliable, more powerful and sounds better. Likewise if I had a Viper, I'd drop a 6.1 Hemi V8 in there...

[@TheLaXandro]

Well, the whole point of Viper is its gargantuan V10 engine. It was literally built around it. As was the Cerbera, when Wheeler realised their new engines just won't fit into Chimaera and Griffith. They both sound unique, too, Viper's engine sounds lazy, american V8-style, but being a V10, it has a completely different, more noble tone, while Speed8 is the exact opposite- it is screamy and fast-revving like some hot hatch engine, but it is still a large V8. These engines are a big part of their character, probably even the cornerstones of it, and swapping either of these for a plain Hemi V8 is like putting one into a Ferrari, blasphemi (pun intended). And you can find factory Speed6 Cerberas, anyway.

[@Malc180s]

The old rover v8 tvrs just sound like every other v8 on the road - lovely, and not very exotic. The ajp engines were brutal - hard and loud - a great sound. Nothing else sounds like these engines. Why on earth would you swap in a common as muck generic v8?! If you had a modern corvette you'd be better off swapping a tvr v8 in.

[@richardharrold9736]

Malc180s the AJP is just a harsh, blaring sound, thanks to its flat plane crank. Cross plane cranks are much more refined and generally nicer to live with. Why you'd want to swap out an LS for an AJP I can't imagine...

[@Malc180s]

***** Refined and easy to live with! Just what a sports car engine should be! Wait.......

[@richardharrold9736]

Malc180s TVRs and Corvettes are GTs. A sporting GT has to be usable and civilised as well as exciting.

[@flyingcumshot]

Let's just listen to the Viper? my mondeo sounds better.

[@v1sual3rr0r]

Your ears are broken.

[@captaincaveman8583]

lmfao

[@lukepeita4568]

British power good bye viper