Twatty New Who Review- The Doctors Daughter

[@elric6]

You really should have used that clip of the Fourth Doctor breaking that guy's neck from Seeds of Doom.

[@ThePonderer]

Also, according to Steven Moffat, Smiley didn't crash into the nearest sun, just the nearest moon.

[@michaelsegal7443]

The irony being the actress that plays Jenny is Peter Davisons Daughter and David Tennants wife

[@jadominek7116]

Bad writing, hipocrisy... RTD's era in three words ;)

[@kramermariav]

Love how DD comes out the cloning machine with winged eyeliner.

[@YuzuruA]

Donna was also my favourite, it is a pity she was so underused

[@KidSnivy69]

I was pissed how they ended her companionship.

[@ZannyAisling]

The fact that they ended up just putting her in another f**king marriage seals it. If any of the New Who companions ended up single, I'd love it to have been the woman whose introductory episode was themed around her marriage. But no, she gets no development whatsoever because we need the Doctor and Wilfred to be sad. Also, what is it with New Who and giving companions romantic relationships. Do the showrunners not realize that some people just don't desire romance? Or monogamy? At least Captain Jack didn't get monogamously married to Rose's mom. Though I would prefer that pairing to Martha and Mickey, like what the fuck. But, was Jamie married at the end of The War Games? Did Ace go out with that cat lady? Ok I would've liked that last one but still.

[@johndelye3402]

Xanxia The author of the novelization of Fury From the Deep did have Jamie telling Victoria his feelings for her in an effort to get her to stay but she left anyway. Hell, even old fans like me couldn't give the furriest crack of a rats ass about companion romance, With Jo Grant I was cool with hers because it was her last story.

[@KOTYAR0]

Yuzuru A Couldn't it be somehow connected what she can't find microphone what isn't a horrible piece of shit?

[@Grayvorn]

I'm glad Big Finish gave Donna six more stories with the Doctor, plus her own box set.

[@its-morbintime]

Oh I've been waiting for this for a long time! One of the things I used to use to defend the "I never would" part was the effects of The Time War and him blowing up his home planet...however...I still say Tennant killed in his era. My favourite story of his - The Family Of Blood two parter, ends with him drowning someone in "unbreakable chains", throwing someone into an exploding star, forcing someone into a suspended state and making them a scarecrow (and...no one would happen to come across that? That would actually make a funny followup to that story) and putting someone in every mirror everywhere. I know the ending narration makes it sound like they all lived forever but...they were aliens inside the bodies of normal human beings. "Weak aliens" as described in the episode. HE. KILLED. THEM. AND. THE. HUMANS. THEY. POSSESSED! Then I find out the whole story is a Sylvester McCoy novel (which, characterization wise, makes so much sense considering this paragraph. Also, he euthanized a Cyberman in The Age Of Steel. Its not "the best thing he could've done" because literally a few minutes later he makes the human minds inside all the Cybermen aware of themselves. And there's that whole thing in the "Aliens Of London" two parter with Christopher Eccleston where he tried to kill an alien by electrifying it. I pin the excuse now for making that speech on "how he never would" as being..."10 is a fucking hypocrite". Also, him hating the military?...So I guess he completely forgot about his second, third, fourth, fifth and seventh incarnation there. The only other excuse is that because, by this point, 10 is 1800 years old in total (I calculated as best I could!!), he's gone senile and/or suffers from dementia.

[@billjacobs521]

There's a difference between "never kills" and "never kills except to save lives". He only killed, directly or indirectly, when it was the only way to prevent the deaths of innocents. He's not a pacificist. Killing a man already dog-piled to the ground and clearly now hated by everyone around him isn't defending anyone, it's a cold-blooded execution. Did he deserve execution? Possibly. But Tennant is showing the emotional struggle it comes with, and tries to teach these soldiers that killing is not the only solution.

[@josephaltarkawi3861]

So basically this was a sci fi metaphor for the book of genesis? It might explain why they had that dialogue about the female source as well as making the stupid war only seven days. It might explain the resurrection of the doctor's daughter as well but it just seems like a really lazy metaphor. RTD really liked making the tenth doctor space Jesus.

[@ShamrockParticle]

Loved your review! Especially the calling out and knocking on the generic orange green "mood lighting", as I was starting to see how overly lit sets in Warriors of the Deep was actually better... Then you bring that story up but for totally different reasons and out the blue. 😁

[@thomasbeevor9570]

I miss when futuristic/alien settings used to be visually appealing, imaginative and exotic (even if most did look cheap). In most modern sci-fi, colour is sourced from the palettes known as "bodily waste" and "raw sewage" to get that run-down dreary dystopian look.

[@QuikVidGuy]

"Well create more in the morning" already eats up like 12% of the war time

[@QuikVidGuy]

The whole "you're the daughter of a previous version of me and you're my girlfriend but you're playing my daughter in the show" thing is still​ weird to me

[@Darkcide1990]

Did they id flag your video for the music? That is bullshit.

[@Rocketboy1313]

I know this is an older video, but looking at this again I think the Doctor is not denouncing guns or killing an enemy in combat if it were necessary, but rather he dislikes executing someone who is captured and helpless.

[@ThePonderer]

I can understand reading the scene that way, but looking at the rest of Ten's era, especially the episodes immediately preceding this one, it's obvious the intent was an overall hatred of guns and anyone who uses them.

[@Rocketboy1313]

The Ponderer So is he only okay with WMD's?

[@ThePonderer]

Probably not those either, unless he's using them.

[@RobertHMayfire]

David Tennant: She's my daughter! *slap* She's my wife! *slap* She... my daughter.. *slap* ...She's ...my wife... *slap* She's my Daughter AND my Wife.....!!! *sobs*

[@Spike-Prime]

I love how Hagan conveniently forgets about The Doctor's granddaughter. Like, we're talking about a character who was literally in the first episode of Dr Who, and the existence of a granddaughter implies the existence of a previous daughter too. Even if we're counting "looms" as canon (which they're not), the very genesis of the show disagreed with Hagan on the Doctor's family.

[@DiamandaHagan]

Us silly Loom-fans work her into the show without any of that Doctor-fuckery.

[@iain9757]

Doctor who has no official canon

[@reverenddmo8944]

You're right, it's a piss-poor episode (and I just hated most of Dr I'm-So-Sorry's stories on bloody principle - he's the only Doctor I wanted to kick in the teeth), but Smiley does have *one* thing going for her... she's not Rose. She's not Martha. She's not Clara. Bring back the gobby Australian, all is forgiven.

[@AuroDHikoshi]

The doctor who never would.... since the BBC wouldn't be overly keen these days...

[@Crowley9]

So Mistress Hagan, what are your feelings about the news that Big Finish is doing Tenth Doctor adventures with Donna Noble as the companion?

[@DiamandaHagan]

+Crowley9 Im looking forward to listening to one.

[@mrdoctorgilmore]

DiamandaHagan just a pity that they're doing one with rose as well

[@Mister-Thirteen]

Okay this whole Auto-flagging thing is really starting to piss me off.....

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

+Mr.Northwind This fucking audio-removal needs to stop.

[@Dim4323]

I like Martha Jones she was my favourite companion

[@bloodrunsclear]

Is it just me or is there a bit of the Hitchhiker's Theme when his 'daughter' is introduced?

[@knshinn2]

It's just you. It's only a quieter version of the BE AWESTRUCK NOW YOU PLEBS music that Murray wrote specifically as the Tennant Doctor theme. Also, no banjos.

[@bloodrunsclear]

Ken Shinn That's a shame :/

[@casualcraftman1599]

The reason Jenny came back to life because Moffat ask for her to survive so he can use her for future episodes.

[@DiamandaHagan]

That worked out, didnt it?

[@casualcraftman1599]

Moffat probably didn't use Jenny because "she wasn't memorable enough".

[@archive9796]

no its because he wanted River to die and it wouldn't be as powerful if two people died who were close to him

[@ZakJordan98]

Since she's coming back in Big Finish, I'm hoping maybe she'll be written good.... Although I'm wary

[@ThePonderer]

Looking back at series 3, I really don't find Martha all that boring. She doesn't exactly pop with distinctive traits but I found her likable and admirable.

[@KidSnivy69]

I can say she was better than Rose

[@ThePonderer]

As if that were difficult.

[@archive9796]

I think her (well the shows) fault was ..well it should have been Donna then Martha as in some one who was not like rose at all But look at each series In which does 10 gets his best eps (well bar midnight and waters of Mars) Series 3 human nature/ family of blood and blink

[@ThePonderer]

I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make.

[@Tbm998]

+The Ponderer I think he's pointing out that with Martha coming in after the inexplicably popular Rose, and how she also had a crush on the Doctor (much like Rose, except her's was clearly not one way), Martha was pretty much guaranteed to be disliked. Although I don't see how the same wouldn't have happened to Donna if she'd followed Rose...

[@twilliamspro]

This episode introduced David to his future Wife

[@mkaiww]

Isn't that with the Dr would have children given that in the very first episode of Doctor Who we learn he has a granddaughter

[@DiamandaHagan]

I prefer the far more interesting book idea that she was the granddaughter of The Other, a pre-loom figure who helped set up Timelord society and was later reincarnated as The Doctor.

[@tyrant-den884]

DiamandaHagan I figured the loomed would still have parental like figures the TARDIS would translate as parents or progeny.

[@thewhitewolf1156]

The bit with Doctor hating guns, well, he may have started hating them after Time War, it’s not that unlikely. So 6th Doctor shooting Cybermen doesn’t negate that later Doctor, after what was a traumatic event, would completely hate guns. That, and the fact that each incarnation just likes and dislikes different things.

[@ZannyAisling]

Honestly, Donna was probably one of my favorite companions in all of doctor who. She wasn't given terribly good material, but it was refreshing to have a companion that challenged the dynamic of "attractive young assistant who's terribly ignorant yet can do no wrong in the eyes of the narrative" even slightly. I kinda hate how she practically got fridged, and the fact that she kept getting married only makes it worse. She should've ended up staying single, just because I'd rather her not be constantly in reference to men.

[@BowserTheSecond]

The funny thing is that the cloning machine is not unlike the Looms. Taking DNA from someone and reconstituting it into a new being. Not as elegant, but a similar result. If only the writer had taken the chance to draw the similarities.

[@Manraj-xw1cg]

The way the audio changes 3mins in otherwise a good review

[@Fransure]

This episode reminds me of Underworld with source being akin to Race Banks and does the amazing thing of being even worse than Underworld

[@NotesFromTheVoid]

Wouldn't cloning include the genetic alterations of the tissue donor. Because I can't imagine that the machine can distinguish between "natural" genetics and artificial alteration because it will all just look like DNA to it. Though She can't regenerate so maybe the doctor is just simplifying the Time-Lord/Gallifreyan distinction for simplicity's sake? (My personal headcanon is basically the looming thing, but without the Doctor being a reincarnation of the Other because I don't like the idea of the Doctor being anything more than some smart weirdo who travels in a box and likes to help out)

[@Duothimir]

I keep mistaking these for episodes I liked when I see the video titles. Goes to show how forgettable they are, I guess.

[@LastGleaming8]

When you realise that this episode was filmed in one of your favourite places in Swansea...

[@michaelsegal7443]

I guess when the doctor said he never would it’s meant to be 10 never would. Considering 9 basically tried something similar in Aliens In London. Or just bad writing

[@DiamandaHagan]

Bad writing.

[@allowableman2]

Different incarnation, different rules

[@henryzolnier-walker8767]

Small correction, assuming Time Lords are genetically modified Gallifreyans, as opposed to being a political or religious caste, than it's still not outside the realms of possibility that a clone or whatever you want to call Smiley McSmileyface could inherit some of those augmentations, unless Time Lords are good at DMR. Doesn't mean the rest of this episode isn't complete shit. I hope Jenny got stabbed by Susan Foreman with a pair of scissors. Incidentally, I've always liked to think that the reason Hartnell's Doctor only had one heartbeat is because he was so physically old, one of his hearts ceased to function.

[@tenthdoctor1085]

When the Doctor said I never would he meant that he would never kill if it wasn't necessary

[@DiamandaHagan]

Pity he never said that. Bigger pity that your theory expects that a bunch of soldiers fighting a war are supposed to defer to The Doctors idea of 'necessary'.

[@tenthdoctor1085]

DiamandaHagan the war was over he was defenseless.

[@supernerd5781]

DiamandaHagan I took it as I would never kill someone like you because you're not worth it

[@tyrant-den884]

I figured that he it is part of his dad shock. Different kind of dumb

[@Blubatt]

If there's one good thing that came out of Doctor's Daughter, its the marriage of David Tennant and Georgia Moffatt, as well as their children.

[@DiamandaHagan]

They're good people. Wish I enjoyed their Who more.

[@liabezdomny5136]

It hurts me physically to say this, but "The Source" sounds pretty good compared to this episode. At least, the irritating blonde idiot dies in that movie. And gets eaten.

[@tyrant-den884]

And I would never eat my own boogers like I did when I was two. If you are going to cite his PAST actions to disprove his future goals, at least use examples from this incarnation.

[@erikbrock5444]

The Doctor being anti-gun after going through the Time War seems totally legit to me.

[@DarthAzabrush]

The off screen war that flat out couldn't happen is not an excuse for ruining the central character. Or for anything else for that matter

[@erikbrock5444]

@@DarthAzabrush why couldn't it happen? And why do you see this as ruining the character?

[@DarthAzabrush]

@@erikbrock5444 The Daleks are an obscure race of embarrassing pepperpots who repeatedly get their arses kicked by stone age civilisations. The Time Lords literally wrote the rules of reality and everyone who ever stood against them either died (Racnoss, Vampires, the Greater Nestine) or never existed in the first place (Warlords, Vardans and about a dozen others in expanded material.) The Doctor is a petty criminal who the Time Lords have allowed to continue to exist because "his hearts are in the right place" not a moral authority on anything and certainly not space Jesus.

[@erikbrock5444]

@@DarthAzabrush whoa, easy there mate. I never said he was space Jesus; I just said war changes people.

[@DarthAzabrush]

@@erikbrock5444 Not getting at you getting at the mess they've made of the show. Under Chibnall the power level has come down a bit from RTD and Moffat's bullshit but sadly he's doubled down on the Doctor's supposed morality. This is a guy who firebombed an entire species to death to save their creators/oppressors. He or in this case she is not nice people.

[@RabbiB0Y]

Cough regeneration can change persnalty cough have you seen a soldier who killed millions cause war pick up a gun with out getting flashbacks no so stop

[@petersmernoff9590]

This episode isn't that bad. Not BLINK or THE EMPTY CHILD or anything, true. But Georgia Moffett herself is wonderful as Jenny, making more of an impact in 45 minutes than her Dad, Peter Davison did in THREE FREAKING SEASONS.

[@metalmugen]

Say what you want about Peter Davison but at least he was in some awesome episodes, unlike her daughter.

[@its-morbintime]

6:09 - while this episode was crap...no its not.

[@TheDerpyderpyderp]

if timeless are GENETICALLY altered wouldnt their clones have the same genetic alterations since they share the same genes

[@TheDerpyderpyderp]

timelords

[@apexa903]

True facts

[@THEGREATMAX]

The audio is strangely warped in this video, all up until Donna takes the stethoscope out of her ear. I don't understand

[@DiamandaHagan]

The theme music was cut out by KZbin and the audio closeby was affected as well:(

[@THEGREATMAX]

It's just super weird that it's timed to right when Donna removes the stethoscope though, isn't it? lol

[@JackJames2612]

Come on, Matthew Graham isn't the worst thing to happen to television. Him and Ashley Pharoah managed to make Life on Mars.. Even if he did have a Twitter spat with Philip Glenister years later..

[@archive9796]

YES YES MY FAVOURITE TWATTY WHO REVIEW ALL HAIL HAGAN ALL HAIL HAGAN

[@drift2196]

ALL HAIL HAGAN

[@alexiaNBC]

I agree with the Mistress on how hated this episode is (even I do having never seen classic Doctor Who) however I found one issue was the whole Doctor refuses to use guns part. Ignoring that every Doctor incarnation has their own personality and beliefs, the Doctor had been through the Time War (which from the way he talks about it and info I read about is the equivalent of both world wars on a universal level) which can change his views on using weaponry in contrast to his past versions. Many soldiers who went through such terrifying wars were so traumatized that they can't stand to pick up a gun again and adopt pacifist views. Does that excuse terrible writing though? Hell no I'll go incinerate myself for arguing with you, dear Mistress

[@billjacobs521]

I agree. In fact, Tennant's entire run had him consistently trying to, well, over-compensate, attempting to save the lives of murderers and lunatics because of his guilt over the Time War. Eccleston too, actually. Of course he would kill if he HAD to, if it was the ONLY way to save the lives of innocents, but to execute an unarmed and restrained man? No, never. That was exactly in character and it makes sense. The only time he openly appears to break this trend was in his last episode, when he takes the gun to stop the Time Lords from returning, precisely to avoid the universal Armageddon he stopped before.

[@tyrant-den884]

Unless he has a satsuna and the alien is behind them.

[@metalmugen]

He never would though... lol

[@stairwayunicorn4861]

What about Susan?

[@archive9796]

What about Susan ?

[@metalmugen]

What about Susan?

[@AlucardNoir]

With all due respect , and not only is that a lot but you deserve every last bit of it, NO, Highlander: The Source wouldn't be better at best it would be as bad and that's if you really loath Doctor Who in general.

[@seandarbe2521]

Future it up, embrace the ridiculous art direction and costume design, also dystopia is not clever just the writer being lazy. Diamanda do you agree that future of a Science fiction show should be entertaining and full of tropes not boring cheap realism.

[@KOTYAR0]

God, this is a great review But please stop using potato microphone, this is painful

[@DiamandaHagan]

Its not that great :P Its an old video, do the newer ones sound better?

[@stevencassidy6982]

I never liked Donna noble

[@apexa903]

Why