twelve o'clock high :S2E21 Back To The Drawing Board

[@garshdarnitibelieve8260]

I can watch stock footage of Army Air Corp from WWII 24/7...thanks for upload

[@alfredagain]

"The destruction of evil. The humbling of the bully". To me it's also magnificent.

[@rogerlynch5279]

Here it had made it even better if the Professor was someone having lost friends and relatives through the Nazis. Many people have. On the question to the former Austrian Bundespräsident Kirchschläger why he never has watched the Miniseries Holocaust, he had answered; I DID NOT HAD TO AFTER LOOSING HALF OF MY FAMILY IN A GAS CHAMBER.

[@deanguando1335]

I was only a kid when this show first came out. But I really enjoy it now.

[@stinker43]

For me this is fascinating despite some technical inaccuracies due to them using what film of the planes they could. My father in law was a radio op in the Navy in WWII. He brought home a few boxes of aluminum chaff from his time in the Pacific. I still have 2 in my garage.

[@gradydillonastiny6109]

Great work Burgess Meredith that plays Penguin on batman

[@karencupples1339]

Combat is the best World War 2 show, but Twelve O Clock High is truly the second best one for sure. Thanks for posting it, full of life lessons we need to keep us going and to not give up during this snake venom Nazi take over, to give us inspired combat wit.

[@Southprong59]

Agree, Combat # 1, Twelve O Clock High a close # 2; both very good.

[@Lajs657]

I agree you.

[@richardleonhardt8440]

I feel the same way friend

[@DavidDavid-ux8ed]

My thanks to Jefke Perimans for letting me download all 3 seasons, 78 episodes, from KZbin. My favorite TV program back in the 1960s. 😊

[@gerrygrzywinskl6135]

Love this show keep it on you tube

[@tomiedotson1050]

I liked this episode. However, the Germans did not have good radar. They were still using the Klystron tube for frequency control. As far as the radar screen, they did not have the sweep type either. The British used non sweep type as well. By sweep type I mean the beam going around on the scope. This came later. The British invented the cavity magnetron tube. This is what enabled the British to track the Germans and focus the British fighters where they were needed . The British gave the U.S. the cavity magnetron tube . This is also the same type of cavity magnetron tube that is used in microwave stoves.

[@LazlosPlane]

Why is there always one sexually frustrated nerd who wants to ruin it for everyone else? Damn, every time....

[@paulcompton7861]

@@LazlosPlane : Tomie Dotson: The Germans didn't have the Klystron Tube (you do in your Microwave oven) as it was a British invention that allowed them to use much more accurate, and ultimately aircraft mounted, Microwave Radar. During the Dieppe Raid an English Jew, Flight Sergeant Jack Nissenthall, serving as a technical NCO with the RAF went ashore to try and determine if the Germans HAD invented it. Because he new all about the Klystron Tube his bodyguard, a section of Canadians, had orders to kill him if it looked like he might be captured; a fact that he was aware of. Although unable to complete his mission of inspecting the German Radar station he was able to cut cables leading into the station. This forced the Germans to switch to radio, rather than telephone, and British intelligence, who were monitoring everything, of course, were able to determine that the Germans didn't have microwave radar held back as a secret fallback, and much more. For a brief and loose account you can look up Dieppe Raid on Wikkipedia. That article fails to mention that the Dieppe Raid actually achieved exactly what it was set out to do; show the Allies what they needed to learn before the 'real' invasion. If you want to read the actual, fascinating, story of Nisenthall's exploits, you need to track down a little book called 'Green Beach'. Similarly, the British invented 'Window' which the Americans renamed as 'Chaff'; you know, just like British 'Asdic' became US 'Sonar' and a recent movie would have you believe that it was US personnel that recovered an Enigma machine and code books from a German Submarine! Chaff was strips of Aluminium Foil. The British had it for some time before using it but weren't confident it would work. It wasn't until a Luftwaffe Night Fighter pilot who was spying for England, I kid you not, defected to England with the latest Heinkel Night Fighter that they were able to test it and immediately put it into use. If You want to read about that you need to track down 'The Greatest Coup'. FYI LazlosPlane, this sexually frustrated nerd is posting this information because I believe it, and these heroic men should never be forgotten!

[@rickjones1176]

why do the ignorant always attack the knowledgeable

[@paulgerald5808]

BTO ,Bombing Through Overcast . 1943/1944 . I believe . Thank you . By the way ,. I love this old TV series .

[@JosephBoxmeyer]

This closing music is something that I remember from old movies. I miss it.

[@officermalloy4201]

Gotta love the submarine pings for the German ground radar at 17:07 the sound engineer must have had a "run what you brung" kinda mentality. From 2013 and it's 2021, and it's still good!

[@olentangy74]

I believe it’s the same sound effect from Voyage to The Bottom of the Sea!

[@bandaddie]

Chaff was developed by British, Germans and Americans, independent of each other, in the late 1930's. The Brits called it "Window" and the Germans called it "Düppel". Credit for the invention in it's effective form goes to Welsh scientist Joan Curran, though all three nations had it operational at about the same time, early 1942. Japan had their own version, in a different form but still effective, a year or two later. Due to secrecy, it is difficult to determine who used it first.

[@rogerlynch5279]

I like this episode. It is a very intelligent written and executed one. Shows something real from the War that both sides did their own advencements.

[@harryfaber]

Except that the Germans and British were way ahead of the US in the radar war. The best contribution from the States was in production capacity, building lots of British designed equipment. The Germans had been using radio and radar direction finding systems from the late 1930s.

[@paulgerald5808]

BTO equipped B-17 and B-24 s were nick named "Mickey" ,ball turret ,removed and the BTO radar installed in its place . Thank you .

[@theresadelicot5104]

Wonderful acting episode all around....

[@Brucev7]

This one was interesting with the Chess game going on between the Americans and the Jerries. Peace

[@juanmonge8]

Their next target should have been that radar installation.

[@mickcoomer9714]

The sound inside the German radar room is straight from voyage to the bottom of the sea.

[@GeeBee909]

Both series were made by 20th Century Fox studios that's why

[@babuzzard6470]

Burgess Meredith, what a great actor, Batman, In Harms Way, this, he was always great.

[@cactuswren9771]

LOL!! The one thing the B-17 was NOT was stealth! :))

[@partymanau]

Just the radio noise from all those sparkplugs would be a horror to shield.

[@m.w.wilson234]

By the way, check out the nurse @14:05 - how would you like to have her as your lieutenant? Without a doubt - nothing looks like silicon; great 60's hair style. Could you imagine what would happen if those GI's back then had to stand at "Attention!" for her? Even TSgt Komansky gave her the once over before he entered the room; was it in the script? @33:13 - this radar looks rather sophisticated for 1941; this is the USAF radar at Tempelhof Central Airport in West Berlin. I know because I entered this building frequently when stationed there in the early 70's. The 10 mile air radius agreement for West Berlin was measured from this airport and this was the radar to control it. The entire building complex is among the 20 largest (not tallest) buildings in the world for its above ground area. It was built in the 30's and never totally finished. They were still not exactly sure how large it is below ground. It is shaped like a flying eagle: the USAF was on one wing, passenger terminal was in the middle and West Berlin police are still on the other wing.

[@paulsuprono7225]

That Andrew Duggan seems to be a regular Guest !

[@virgilstarkwell8383]

Wasnn't Alf Kjelin in Ice Station Zebra?

[@hoodoo2001]

Love the sonar radar! Does show the one step forward half a step back countermeasures in which the Allies were able to keep a step or two in front of the Germans although there were setbacks.

[@bf945]

30,000 feet in a ME109 without an oxygen mask?

[@ThirdDegreeWitchExplores]

LOL at 18:05 it's supposed to be an Me109 attacking a Fortress , what it actually 'attacks'is a MK5 Spitfire !

[@cat-lw6kq]

Back then i was watching this show on a small 19" b&w tv. I doubt if anyone noticed.

[@jakejacobs7584]

Odd, the German radar was making sonar noises like voyage to the bottom of the sea...lol

[@russg1801]

Burgess Meredith..aka The Penguin..is in this one. It'd be another decade before he was Sly's boxing manager. And they'd never come back without dropping their bombs; there would always be a secondary target even if it was only a rail yard, etc.

[@TEGRULZ]

Was also a Captain in the USAAF in WW2

[@ziblot1235]

Yes that seemed strange to me too. Those bombs werent cheap. But I guess in a situation where they were gonna get "whipped" they would dump them to lose weight? I could accept this maybe once or twice. But a pilot who did it moore than once might be flying a desk. Whatddya think?

[@lennyhendricks4628]

Am I confused or is the German radar making SONAR sounds (the pings) ??

[@23merlino]

i have the impression the editing of the plane scenes in the first series was far less error prone ie; the p51 in the close ups is always the later version with the bubble canopy whereas in some of the long shots you see the older version with a different canopy... i need to go back and check

[@a.leemorrisjr.9255]

Absolutely correct. 2 different 'Stang models are depicted in film. "Bubble" canopy "D" model came later in the war. P-47s firing on our 17s? Ah well, had to use what footage they had I reckon😊.

[@robertbishop5357]

I wonder how many b-17s were used during this series?

[@daleburrell6273]

It was only going to be a matter of time before the Huns came up with countermeasures...

[@dwightstewart7181]

The premise of this show makes no sense. Tracking the bombers' radar signal would not have helped the Germans find the actual bombers in that overcast any better than normal radar (which the Germans had). Bombers had no reliable way of finding targets on the ground in such conditions, but those bombers were still vulnerable to being detected by ground-based radar.

[@rexbentley8332]

Sonar returns in the radar room?

[@rodfirefighter8341]

Those firefighting suites worked really well. You could walk right in to the flames as long as you didn't stay too long. I had the silvers with the asbestos sealed into the fabric.. AVGAS, JP-4, and JP-8 flames were no problem, just my rubber boots got hot!! Oops, that stuff causes cancer though!?

[@-oiiio-3993]

I was wondering when Burgess Merideth would show up in one of these.

[@TigerDominic-uh1dv]

The Technology that was coming into Play at that time. Very Interesting 😊

[@dontaylor9392]

Since when did the Major start flying as the co-pilot?

[@dindinprivate3477]

He often does, on and off... I think it first began after his only son went MIA.

[@gallopingalumphus5390]

Yep, that's it. Watch "Storm at Twilight," S2, E11, Old Fart Major Stovall wants to get back into the action.

[@SimopsAus]

Yeah but he said he was grounding himself permanently..........

[@jrcadet4]

I'd forgotten that Robert 'B-1 Bob' Dornan played Paul Burke's co-pilot...

[@shooter2055]

I LOVE IT! This is eminal electronic warfare!! An Old Crow-- --

[@joselopezmoya9786]

I USED TO SEE THIS SERIES AS A TEEN-AGER LIVING IN N.Y.

[@IndependentBear]

@3:37 sonar beeps when the radar is tracking incoming bombers. Worth a chuckle.

[@mediocreprofessor3533]

Smoking in a hospital room with a heart patient. Amazing!

[@davidwinston6721]

At 46:10 looks like my fish finder screen plus the sonar blips. Excellent

[@daniellim366]

The patient is struggling while the visitor is smoking.😜😛😠

[@r2gelfand]

I was expecting to see Captain Kirk in the Kraut radar room.

[@scott37040]

And now I know where chaff originated. Flew helicopters in the US Army during the Cold War. Chaff was definitely something we counted on had "the balloon gone up."

[@electricmanist]

Sorry to disillusion you, but the use of chaff (aluminum strips) originated with the British ( RAF bomber command) . They used it to disorientate the ground radar controlling the 'flak' batteries and intercepting fighters.. Incidentally. the RAF used the code word "window' for this innovation. It was quite successful for a period. (Used mainly during night bombing). American bombing took place mainly during daylight, so it was less effective as the aircraft were visible.

[@paulgharett4727]

Who was the narrator? He pronounced "episode" as episoduh!!

[@podaly]

We loaded our B-52s with chaff back in the 70's!

[@mariakelly5]

Germans: "And we would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for the meddlin' 918th Bombardment Group!"

[@rogerlynch5279]

Ulkig das so auszudrücken :::)

[@HobbitHomes263]

The germans were diabolically clever! They apparently had a time travel machne that allowed thme to travel forward in time to the 1960s, capture audio recordings of AMerican submarine sonar form cheesy TV series, travel back in time and use that to shoot down bombers DIABolCAL!

[@orlandopadilla2464]

Wow. It's penguin From the old bat man series

[@dannyhonn973]

Throwing tinfoil in the radar. Good to see Frank Overton back flying.

[@stevelindstedt8858]

"Rink's Raidar"....(why would a top secret project be painted on the nose of a bomber, like a billboard?)

[@paulmadden4372]

Forest Trump would spill the beans anyway!

[@rodfirefighter8341]

Misinformation!?!?!?!

[@stevelindstedt8858]

...that's like painting "Norden's Bombshell" on a B-17.........just ridiculous.

[@ziblot1235]

Chaff, originally called Window[1] by the British and Düppel by the Second World War era German Luftwaffe (from the Berlin suburb where it was first developed), is a radarcountermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminium,

[@stevelindstedt8858]

People from the US always have a tendency for taking credit for ideas that somebody else thought up or were involved in.. The movies "U-571" and "Bridge Over The River Kwai" are perfect examples.....It's no wonder the Brits get a little miffed.

[@majorlee76251]

The penguin strikes again. Bthw, chaff was developed by the British

[@alejandrayalanbowman367]

and was known as "Window" The Brits also developed radar.

[@TheGravitywerks]

Yes!....And the worst Me109 model Hollywierd has ever produced!

[@kenkesler3087]

Yeah. It was FOIL, not cut up tin cans. The strips also had to be cut to a specific length. And that "ME109" looked more like an ME108 Taifun.

[@k75romeofive]

@@kenkesler3087 it sure did, I wonder if it was one.

[@dannyhonn973]

Thats a late model 109 he was flying.

[@richardbengston2402]

Smoking in the room with Oxygen , UFFDA!

[@Dave-tw9ib]

I caught that director screwed up

[@salpah09]

Hey they use to smoke in hospital rooms. Go figure

[@altor23]

They smoked everywhere

[@weedme4932]

DIESEL & GAS SURE MISS THE GOOD OLE DAYS 😗🚬💨💨💨😁 Weed Me

[@IndependentBear]

@@salpah09 Not when oxygen was in use. I remember Army hospitals from that period.

[@abjr2010]

Alf Kjellin had a part as Col. Richter in season 1. The POW commander.

[@daleburrell6273]

abjr2010 That's interesting... a Norsky portraying a Hun-!

[@dwightstewart7181]

A lot of actors reappeared over and over again in this show as other characters.

[@paulw.woodring7304]

@@dwightstewart7181 Some even rose from the dead!

[@dwightstewart7181]

@@paulw.woodring7304 .. Lol. Amazing stuff. It wasn't hard for Hollywood to come up with zombie movies. They did very similar in a lot of their television shows.

[@Neal_Schier]

Kamansky I told you in the other episodes to pay your income tax. One last warning. If you don't you will end up on a work release program during your time at the Big House.

[@russg1801]

Gee, poor Burgess had a heart attack on this show and he died from one in, what, Rocky 4?

[@danbrennan7348]

....and, croaked in Grumpier Old Men

[@karlpresler7342]

Rocky 3

[@flutist218]

The blond haired German officer was killed in an earlier episode.

[@dwightstewart7181]

A lot of actors reappeared over and over again in this show as other characters.

[@russg1801]

The canteen cup wasn't 'tin' it's aluminum and the type of metal would be immaterial.

[@russg1801]

My last comment on this bogus episode: anyone else wonder how they turned VACCUUM TUBE electronics off and on instantaneously?

[@seegurke93]

I dont know :D Its all rubbish and stupid if you have any knowledge of the past and on aircraft. But somehow I like it :) Its like a hatecrime. I hate it but I kinda enjoy watching it... cant stop anyway. Boy but as a pilot it really hurts sometime what misinformation and illogical stuff they spreaded. I bet many peole believed it since not anyone has the knowledge we have today or we gathered by our jobs and hobbys...

[@suburban404]

@@russg1801 Turn off the plate current, but leave the filament current on. Standby mode.

[@jamesheil-fo9td]

British came up with chaff first they called it window

[@superancientmariner1394]

Hmm...H2S (British), Window/Chaff , British (and aluminium, not tin).....talk about re-writing history. lol

[@juanmonge8]

During the six day war pilots through tin foil out of their planes.

[@-oiiio-3993]

That was the original form of chaff, one of the earliest countermeasures' used to defeat RADAR.

[@russg1801]

Gotta love the propaganda they spewed in these episodes; radar target acquisition was even less accurate than the Norden bombsight which for all its mid-20th Century sophistication could at best be counted on to hit something within a square mile of the target.

[@johnmoore8016]

read a report on bombing in WW-II which stated about 1 out of ten hit the target.

[@majorlee76251]

That's why carpet bombing was invented.

[@bcask61]

The German radar sets made pinging noises? No wonder they weren’t very good.

[@partymanau]

The Penguin at work. Holy umbrellas Batman.

[@mygirlbecka1]

30,000 feet and nobody’s wearing an oxygen mask and Galager and the copilot aren’t even wearing cold weather flight gear. And yes the submarine sonar radar is a bit much

[@jamesheil-fo9td]

Radar does not make noise

[@noygdbizyness800]

I thought 'chaffe'...not sure of the spelling... was a British invention . . .

[@Mikey300]

The British appear to have been the first to deploy "chaff" (they gave it the code name "Window") about the time of the Hamburg firestorm raid in July 1943. Still, I remember enjoying this episode a great deal when it first aired. If BBC had produced a similar series, they would have either done the Hamburg raid, or a multipart episode about the "Battle of the Beams" and the British efforts to jam the Luftwaffe's electronic navigation systems.

[@MrSlitskirts]

Yes, the British called it "Window" as per this Wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_(countermeasure) kind regards.

[@rodfirefighter8341]

They cut aluminum foil into different length of strips, have radar a slightly different return signal so it looked like a whole fleet were attacking. We later used chaff to clutter up enemy radar but early attempts used many strands, same length, different widths!

[@bandaddie]

Chaff was developed by British, Germans and Americans, independent of each other, in the late 1930's. The Brits called it "Window" and the Germans called it "Düppel". Credit for the invention in it's effective form goes to Welsh scientist Joan Curran, though all three nations had it operational at about the same time, early 1942. Japan had their own version, in a different form but still effective, a year or two later. Due to secrecy, it is difficult to determine who used it first.

[@cat-lw6kq]

I have seen chaff as a radar operator it does clutter up the scope.

[@richardbengston2402]

Filter cigs in 43 HMMMM I don't know about that.

[@rexbentley8332]

Someone brought that up awhile ago, seems they did have filter cigaretts at that time, advertized as healthy.

[@genebatchelor5186]

the c rats i had s moked were russian straw

[@weedme4932]

HELLO HELLO!!! BOOM BOOM !!!

[@marypalmer4328]

Btw, Captain Kirk was in a different episode. At Egland(I think) Air Force Base in FL there is a large collection of those old planes. They are huge.

[@danbrennan7348]

14:03 Naughty Nurse

[@karlpresler7342]

Play doctor with her

[@Biffo1262]

All the non-smoking actors were 40 a day guys by the time this series finished. The whole thing is a promotion by the cigarette manufacturers.

[@SOffenbach]

18:00. 30,000 feet. No oxygen mask.

[@CaptainTeeVee]

Wow, Act 2, smoking in a heart patient's room...won't see that nowadays!

[@axxellein]

TRES Cool/Heavy

[@donofon1014]

well I am grumpy. No one showed the least interest in how severe the guys vision wounds were. Like ... who cares?

[@williambrownlee4534]

Burgess Meredith .....who's next !!!

[@stevedandy973]

First use of chaff.

[@Dave-tw9ib]

i cant place that guy was he my favourite martin cant spell

[@GeeBee909]

You must be thinking of Ray Walston

[@JosephBoxmeyer]

That German radar beep beep beep reminds me of the 60's Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, just about the stupidest TV show ever. And then I noticed that this Colonel was the Captain of the Submarine!

[@johnrogan9420]

Airborne Radar

[@jagtone]

Actually, HSX.

[@jagtone]

I meant H2X.

[@Teacherman1955]

"Mickey" was the name that became synonymous with USAAF "H2X" radar platform. "Mickey" was developed at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Radiation Laboratory in Cambridge, Mass. The the 482nd Bomb Group (Pathfinder) was established at Station 102, Alconbury, England on Aug. 20, 1943 with the objective of leading bombardment missions of the Eighth Bomber Command to Europe by the use of radio beam and radar equipment. Fred Rabo was transferred to assist Col. Cowart in his efforts to establish a pathfinder group. Fred accompanied Col. Cowart back to the U.S. in 1943 to obtain B-17s equipped with the new version of radar developed at the M.I.T. Radiation Laboratory, as a modification of the radar (H2S) being used by the RAF in their bombing missions. When Fred first saw the B-17's equipped with the hand-built retractable H2X units under the nose of the aircraft at Grenier Field, New Hampshire, he was heard to say "that radome looks, Mickey Mouse".

[@Dave-tw9ib]

should of had a party and used beer cans , ha

[@Biffo1262]

Chaff (code named 'Window' by the RAFwas invented by a Swansea born woman, Joan Curran, not the Americans though they developed it . Changing history to self grandisize is quite immoral but let's face it the techincal and historical details of this series has been abysmal.

[@timothyjordan5731]

Germans wouldn't say 2000 feet. That's British imperial measurement. How disappointing!

[@johnrogan9420]

Chaff

[@carolecarr5210]

Picture of patient "on oxygen" is not on O2 with smile pouring into room from cigarette!! Dumb!!

[@carolecarr5210]

Hospital scene was BS. Supposed to to be on O2 but, no & his man smoking in room. Crappola..

[@stevelindstedt8858]

The solution:....metal strips dumped from bombers.....(The British thought up that idea.....it was called "Window") Just another case of the U.S. trying to take credit for someone else's work.....(Just like the movies "U-571" and "Bridge Over The River Kwai".) I don't blame the Brits for being a little miffed.

[@danbrennan7348]

Yeah, and, the British take credit for cracking the Enigma code. Don't forget, the Polish had about 80% of that broken, prior to Sept. 1, 1939, snuck the research out to Britian. Oh, they gave the Poles credit for their research.

[@paullevins5448]

Especially since we had to bail them out of both wars. Even in todays world they cant defend themselves. When they try to conduct an airborne op they have to use our Military Airlift command (MAC). So really they owe us, for that and all the lend lease equipment they never paid for! Maybe if they'd get rid of that parasitic royal family they could use that money to start building up their military.

[@gavind4162]

Code Name Windows R.A.F Lancaster Bombers Dropped 2 Centimetres Foil Strips Over Germany To Confuse There Radar InStilation System

[@timothysowers685]

KAMANSKY BACK in The COCK pit with Joe Gallagher AGAIN 7:50

[@williammitchell4417]

So this is how they first use Chaff in combat

[@electricmanist]

Sorry but it (chaff) was first used by RAF bomber command during their night bombing raids). The British used the code name 'Window' for this invention. Aluminium strips of a specific length were used. It was given the code name "window".. It was very successful for a period, as it swamped (confused) German radar frequencies. Daylight bombing was adopted by the Americans, (B17's and B24's) so 'window' was less affective- if at all.. Visual sightings were more effective.

[@A_10_PaAng_111]

Rocky -1 lol

[@johnrogan9420]

Yankee games!!

[@johnrogan9420]

Tin foil cups!