Twilight Domain: New Cleric Subclass from Tasha's Deep Dive (D&D 5e)

[@stella.bridget]

I genuinely love the flavour of this class. to me, when I read the description, it makes me think of that feeling you get while you're out camping, sitting on a beach or in front of a campfire while the sun sets. those vibes are absolutely my shit, and overall it's one of my favorite subclasses

[@MonstersMulticlass]

I think that certainly is a great way to frame this class. Id love a cleric in the party who basically just wanted to camp with their buds and keep them safe

[@jorisboonekamp9038]

The moment at 34:00 minutes when you realise your multiclass built has been found out. That´s exactly what I´m going for. I´m already a lvl 3 Rogue Assassin and now I´m taking 1 lvl Twilight Cleric. My next 3 lvls will be up to Ranger Gloomstalker. This ties in perfectly with my half-drow Underdark escapee who worships Eilistraee

[@MonstersMulticlass]

May your dm have inner peace

[@lordvectra7821]

how did it go?

[@chrisvelo2595]

Comment guy here to say, the only full caster that doesn't have ritual casting are sorcerers. Bards, clerics, druids, and wizards all have it. warlocks can get it with an invocation

[@MonstersMulticlass]

[@starshinobi1694]

I started a campaign with a Twilight Cleric of Illmater (RIP that campaign). I took the "horrors of the night" to be a more metaphorical concept - the darkness of your struggles, your "darkest days". Playing it with that made it all make more sense, especially when the god I used stands for sacrificing yourself (your possessions, your health, etc.) to help others and make their lives better.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

I love that. And that's much more interesting flavor than "werewolves and vampires" I played a paladin of Illmater back in our Out of the Abyss campaign and I loved it. I could see that as a twilight cleric being a great RP pillar to help the other PCs in times of struggle. Sorry the campaign died. Maybe we can get the cleric back in a one shot some time!

[@starshinobi1694]

@@MonstersMulticlass Heck Yeah! Niera Rez (the pun was not intended, my DM pointed it out after I made her) is definitely a character that will appear again!

[@lestertjester4140]

I just built a Twilight Cleric for an explorer campaign. He is a night watchman. “Horrors of the night” I took like Melisandre from GoT. “The night is dark and full of terrors.” He’s charged with night time excursions from the colony to watch over the adventuring party.

[@Wolfmin39]

You know, it'd be one thing if the channel divinity didn't create dim light but they really just had to go and do it all. I gotta say, I think it's most egregious how powerful this subclass is so early on. On some other classes you at least need to be level 10 before it really gets wild but this is a class you get to Uber Powerful a fair amount before you're close to finishing any length of campaign. Whoever designed the subclasses for cleric for Tashas is absolutely on some power level no one can stop them

[@MonstersMulticlass]

Jeremy Crawford himself descended from the towers in heaven and said 'Make clerics the best'

[@SignumExilio]

​@@MonstersMulticlass Am I confused on this? Wouldn't casting Dim Light in an already lit area do nothing? This would only be practical if you were in pitch darkness. As you guys said earlier in the video, it's already really easy to make dim light. Pretty much any class could convert pitch blackness to dim light. Edit: NVM, listened ahead and you addressed that, and yeah I guess it doesn't really sound like it makes a difference to me. There's tons of practical ways to make dim light, some of which are probably easier than channel divinity just so you can fly . .

[@twistedbambi2370]

Playing a twilight cleric once a week and I absolutely love it. With a creative dm, it is really fun for everyone in the party.

[@kravenkorvinus]

Twilight and Peace in a single game is bonkers. Smart DM grappled us both and took us to opposite ends of the map. But I must say Holy Aura+Circle of Power is *chef's kiss*

[@elriclittle2390]

I just made a character for a level 14 one shot. 10 Twilight Cleric/ 4 Divination Wizard, Faceless background. She serves Sarvas in her true heart and is a false prophet of Cyric on the surface. The flavor I gave is that she studies the stars at night and looks into the future finding the fates of heros that she is destined to be a companion to.

[@demiurge2763]

Dispel Magic actually doesn't work on Twilight Sanctuary, just like it doesn't work on Wildshape or a Vampire's Charm.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

Yeah I think we realized that since then! Since its not officially a spell

[@An123Observer]

I built Elephant Man, Shadow Knight of Justice (like batman, but a Loxodon). Twilight Cleric 6, Shadow Sorcerer 6, and Genie Warlock 8. (He uses disguise self warlock invocation in order to have his persona (Bruce Bane). His genie ring is his "Elephant Cave", and he has Pact of the Chain with an Imp named Alfred. He literally Flies around, wearing plate Armour, in a shadow of magical darkness, blasting enemies with maxed Eldritch Blast, but then he has tones of utility magic, cantrips, healing and flavor magic like Gaseous Form and Meld into Stone. So much Fun :D

[@MonstersMulticlass]

That's hilarious. Probably my favorite take on making batman in d&d

[@vulcorethegreat1220]

For the that steps of the night flight ability, As a DM i rule it as written it stays for the full minute after you leave the dim light, since tempest clerics have it specifically writen once they are indoors or underground they lose their fly speed.

[@dnddetective]

The Sage Advice Compendium has a section that talks about what is a magical effect. There are several different criteria listed in it, but one of them is if says the word "magical" then its a magical effect. It's answered in the question "Is the breath weapon of a dragon magical?" So in the case of Frightful Presence I'd say its not magical because its an ability that isn't described as being magical.

[@BebbaDubbs]

My first D&D PC is a level 5 (now 6) half drow, twilight cleric who serves Hecate

[@deshonejohnson7493]

no way! i just started a campaign and i’m playing a drow who also worships hecate through the twilight domain!

[@coltsfan354]

I took a Twilight Cleric into a oneshot and spent the entire encounter blinded, and needed a redemption. So I took them into Rime of the Frostmaiden, and man, THE FLAVOR.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

Please elaborate! I havent played frostmaiden. How does it overlap with twilight?

[@ma90291]

@@MonstersMulticlass without too many spoilers, you are investigating the cause of a perpetual darkness and winter that has befallen Icewindale. RP tip, a Goliath Twighlight Cleric that flavors spells as the Aurora borealis is super flavorful and fitting.

[@Spendleton]

Mislead connection to Twilight: It's light/dark, but not quite. I'm here, but not quite.

[@WhiskeyPatriot]

The peace domain cleric always hangs around the Circle of Spores Druid.

[@DGenHero]

Lmao

[@graymouser5609]

I don’t get y’all’s criticisms here. It is going to be a fun character to play. A good DM will have zero issue with it. This game is about heroes. This subclass is a great support character.

[@InLiquidColor]

I agree. If it becomes mechanically problematic, re-balance your encounters, which you are mostly likely doing already. I say this as a DM who also has a new twilight cleric I recently started playing in another game. I decided on her subclass purely based on theme before I knew how "broken" it was. As an animal nerd, a twilight owlfolk is what sounded super exciting for me to play RP wise. I'm thrilled my DM is nothing but supportive and happy to rebalance encounters if needed to make sure the game is still challenging and fun 🥰

[@Surge-kk6ew]

Now I really want to play a shadow monk twilight cleric

[@MonstersMulticlass]

A 2 level dip would be perfect for a shadow monk

[@MC-gj8fg]

In regards to dim light, I would say that if the sun (or source of roughly equivalent brightness) is visible in the sky while outdoors, then it is not dim light. If that source of light is obstructed (below the horizon, and thus twilight, for example), or is noticeably less bright than sunlight, then it is dim light condition for the Twilight cleric. Indoors, if it's a room lit by natural light but the source of light is not visible, then it is dim light. If it is a windowless room without light illuminating it to at least roughly the equivalent to the sun just above the horizon, then it is dim light. So, dim light for a twilight cleric doesn't necessarily have to be near dark conditions. It simply needs to meet twilight conditions. As an aside, I can see dangerous situations for a twilight cleric using this ability. Maybe it's temporarily twilight conditions due to very heavy cloud cover that breaks, or someone casts sunlight or something. I expect that the hapless cleric would drop out of the sky a stone.

[@ruriva4931]

I just started a campaign as a Twilight Cleric. I really like the concept. My character’s birth name was Rosaline Wolfe and she of a changeling who is a member of a large organized crime family called the Wolfe clan. She takes refuge in an order of twilight clerics and becomes a cleric herself. She changes her name to Briar Ewe and forges a new appearance and identity aided by the fact she’s a chanegling the this transition/rebirth is quite convincing. However she has tattoos from before she left her family making it impossible for her to truly discard her past. Thus she’s lives on like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[@Words-er5ez]

It's built for ghost hunting. Ghosts are some of the most dangerous creatures in the game.

[@quillogist2875]

The big impact of relying on darkvision is the disadvantage on perception checks.

[@ivanhetem1140]

Could you comment on 6lvl shadow monk and the remaining progression on the twilight cleric? Besides mobility, is it worth? Spirit shroud for instance with multiple attacks...

[@MonstersMulticlass]

You probably wouldn't get a ton of use out of the Shadow arts ability. Though...it just doesnt have much use anyways. That class is really undertuned. I COULD see 6 levels in shadow monk for shadow step, and then 2 levels in twilight cleric for all of that goodness. Wis is at least 13 with monk easily, you get some spell casting, get all of the amazing features from twilight. And then yeah you get the mobility of shadow step which is just really cool. I wouldn't do a dip into monk for it by any means. But if you were already monk and wanted to have some religious connection then I think it'd be awesome.

[@darkwyspercreations]

Im playing a lvl 3 twilight cleric in a muder mystery campaign and i love it!😊

[@andrewconsidine6681]

I'm preparing a twilight cleric for a Curse of Strahd campaign. It's gonna be perfect ❤

[@MonstersMulticlass]

That's a fantastic campaign for it. I wish your dm luck haha

[@andrewconsidine6681]

@@MonstersMulticlass Thank you! I promised to send him a coffee every session for dealing with me :)

[@andrewconsidine6681]

@@MonstersMulticlass Btw, just keeping ya updated. I will be role playing Kim Kardashian. Meet Dim Stardashian.

[@vulcorethegreat1220]

Pretty sure warlocks are the only ones that can not ritual cast unless they take tome pact and takes a certain invocation.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

Sorcerers as well Clerics Druids and Bard do but it has to be a prepared spell

[@satubock]

Does dispel magic work on a channel divinity?

[@MonstersMulticlass]

It's a lasting magical affect so I'd rule yes. But let me see if there's official word. Edit: Looks like you're right! Dispel magic does not work on CD's. So... The dm's only way to prevent this sphere is an anti magic shell or a beholders gaze

[@satubock]

@@MonstersMulticlass I think the incapacitated condition would be the easiest way to get rid of it. Or to simply separate the cleric from their party.

[@woutvanostaden1299]

Like a banishment spell? Have a (monk?) Minion grapple and drag the cleric away. Could it work with dominate person? So the baddy now has someone who heals and his minions? Of course home brewing a monster that steals temp hp will work, but the warlock might throw a book at you.

[@dylandugan76]

Dispel Magic, like Counterspell, specifically and only works on *spells* and no other magical effects, no matter how spell-like they appear. See the relevant sage advice. If it's not a spell in the PHB (or Xanathar's, or Tasha's, etc.) with a level and a school and so on, Dispel Magic doesn't do anything to it. That said, if your DM wants to be more generous with it, great.

[@urzoth3258]

This is the most ridiculous sublcass in the game. No idea what designers were thinking. It will break your game unless you make a house rule.

[@shadowmancer99]

I will never understand by people think that strong powers and combinations are a bad thing....I have never had a problem with any 5e ability or subclass....

[@shadowmancer99]

1/2 levels of Hexblade Warlock...solve that not seeing in darkness issue.

[@Spendleton]

Comments: Bards also have ritual casting.

[@bobfrancis123]

Thanks. I DO have Gloomsassin. Who could triple dip into Twilight. I'm not telling him ANYTHING.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

I was thinking of you when I said it hahahaha. Like the first thing on my mind was "This would be the end of Bob"

[@ShadamAran]

I don't think it's hard to imagine "horrors of the night". Monsters of ALL kinds have always taken to the cover of the night/darkness. Just do your adventuring at night with your 300 foot darkvision lol.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

It's not that it's hard to imagine them. It's that it's extremely broad. Your comment was actually my point :D

[@L1theMage]

MOON KNIGHT

[@jaredcarlyle4398]

They’re shitting on the trickery domain cleric but it really does have the best domain spells. More then makes up for the meh subclass features people definitely sleep on it.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

Definitely don't remember exactly what we said but I'll stand by the Channel Divinity sucking. But you're right the spells they get are awesome. Blink, Mirror image, dimension door, polymorph, dispel magic That really opens up the cleric list.

[@RupertFoulmouth]

Why is it so many of the reviews on this build are done by people who have never played it?

[@F.O.R.]

What are the terrors of the night?...you really don't get it? Every living person ...ever...has dealt with fear of the dark. That felt like just trying to have a take when none needed, but the rest was good.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

While yes it was said mostly in jest, I will say that the ambiguity there works well in real life where those terrors aren't real. But in d&d you can just give examples. It just feels like flimsy flavor to me if they're not going to try and specify at all. And most people I've seen playing a twilight cleric hace ignored the flavor entirely. Not to say everyone has or will. Do you have a concept that you like?

[@gorkon87]

So I don't believe this can be dispelled. It isn't a spell

[@MonstersMulticlass]

You are correct. Someone else mentioned that as well

[@truthteller880]

Does it take light to dim light? In doors and caves there's usually a ceiling so fly doesn't do a lot there. I really don't see how this is broken. Also i think anyone reasonable should agree the fly speed doesnt stick around once you leave dim light.

[@jm6456]

It's darkens light or brights darkness depending

[@azboomstickco4078]

Gods associated with comfort and darkness. The most obvious example is Jesus.

[@graymouser5609]

Not a big fan of dipping for min/maxing play. I do not multi-class, nor do I encourage it.

[@MonstersMulticlass]

You're on a channel called monsters and multiclass. So I'm of course going to say that multiclassing is encouraged here. Lot less for min maxing reasons and more for story reasons. We can still mention broken combos. Seems like what we do doesn't resonate with you. That's fine

[@graymouser5609]

@@MonstersMulticlass I get it. Lost sight of the channel purpose. My bad.

[@blakeknightvos7867]

Sounds like scrub talk