TWIN TURBO MOD FORDS (2V, 3V & 4V)

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Richard Holdener

Richard Holdener

Күн бұрын

FULL BOOSTED RESULTS, TWIN TURBO 4.6L FORDS (2, 3 & 4V) TRIPLE TEST. Why add a twin-turbo set up to a 4.6L 2V, when you can apply it to a 4.6L 3V AND 4.6L 4V too? Rather than show boosted love to just one Modular Ford family, I decided to give you guys info on adding boost to three different Modular Ford combos. Starting with a modified 4.6L 2V (PI & non PI Hybrid), we also added the twin-turbo to 4.6L 3V and Cammed 4.6L 4V (o3 Cobra) motor.

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@arturos.3973
@arturos.3973 4 жыл бұрын
You're like Oprah. "YOU GET BOOST, YOU GET BOOST. EVERYBODY GETS BOOST!"
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
That was the inspiration
@LS__812
@LS__812 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I came to comment..
@itskarl79
@itskarl79 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 You didn't show how much the 3v made with 14.5 lbs boost... I saw the file was there when you opened the 10lbs boost though?? @ 7:18 ... Only asking because I'm debating single vs twin turbo on my 05 F150 (towing) 5.4 3v, doing MMR rods, timing guides/tensioners yada yada... I will probably just keep it under 10lbs, but nice to know the potential
@niknasstie
@niknasstie 4 жыл бұрын
The V10 modular guys are complaining now!😂
@magdump7380
@magdump7380 4 жыл бұрын
Damn straight. Wheres the love?
@thestig572420
@thestig572420 4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao.
@robsorgdrager8477
@robsorgdrager8477 4 жыл бұрын
@@magdump7380 it's in your f250 . Not sure you want to boost that engine much over 10 psi.
@eric63377
@eric63377 4 жыл бұрын
@@robsorgdrager8477 pop sum plugs out much??..🤣😂
@insaneTrout
@insaneTrout 4 жыл бұрын
@@eric63377 as an owner of a 2V V10 with 257k miles i haven't blown a single plug.
@JerryF417
@JerryF417 4 жыл бұрын
Finally! Mod motors. Yay!
@compted10
@compted10 4 жыл бұрын
I believe he has a couple extra videos if you are interested.
@joefries365
@joefries365 4 жыл бұрын
ahh yes i cant wait to see what they do on an electric motor
@nocomment1749
@nocomment1749 4 жыл бұрын
As a guy whose building a 3v I really appreciate this! It’s hard to find content or information about the 3v considering it’s short lifespan. Good video!
@Scootermagoo
@Scootermagoo 4 жыл бұрын
Well just remember to anti-sieze the sparkplugs so they actually come out.
@nocomment1749
@nocomment1749 4 жыл бұрын
Scootermagoo I luckily have the revised heads from late 2008 and 2009 models. Thanks for the warning tho lol.
@markmccarty727
@markmccarty727 3 жыл бұрын
How many thousands of them are still running. There 3 of them same color and package as my FX4 in a town of 8000 people, dozens of 2 and4wd running around. Not to shabby for a motor with 'problems'!! Mine just tripped 250000! I tow a 5400lb dry weight camper. Car trailers, gonna pull an old tractor soon!!
@Bugsidious
@Bugsidious 2 жыл бұрын
I'm building one as well. And aftermarket parts is super hard to find. No intakes or fuel rails.
@nocomment1749
@nocomment1749 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bugsidious CPE or an old JPC if you can find one (and have no budget) ford performance is also good but if youre going to see boost pressures in excess of 20 I would just run the Jegs intake. Fore Innovations also has complete fuel systems available.
@MrAPCProductions
@MrAPCProductions 4 жыл бұрын
Big bang 4.6 2v, 3v, and 4v. Lets get it on!
@ts302
@ts302 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you Richard! Please do a follow up with the 3V and VCT.
@fascistpedant758
@fascistpedant758 4 жыл бұрын
You look like a hot climate Santa Claus, delivering boost to all the little engines of the world. Santa Boost!
@jeffsnyder2051
@jeffsnyder2051 4 жыл бұрын
thanks im a lil 2 valve guy,thats a lota juce from i lil 281 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@tomhamilton9140
@tomhamilton9140 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Ford stuff. 👍
@kodystiehl9985
@kodystiehl9985 4 жыл бұрын
Please keep the 4.6 vids coming. I've learned so much about my 2v from you!
@9psi
@9psi 4 жыл бұрын
Bring on the 3V vct love. In 5.4 size ;)
@Prestiged_peck
@Prestiged_peck 4 жыл бұрын
No. Even Richard can't love the 3 valve 5.4
@mrchemistrycow
@mrchemistrycow 3 жыл бұрын
@@Prestiged_peck its the red headed step child lol
@Prestiged_peck
@Prestiged_peck 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrchemistrycow more like the red headed step child's red headed step child
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 2 жыл бұрын
Turbo on a motor adds power? Who would've thought? /jk
@jafferm1938
@jafferm1938 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I liked the power curves of the 2v and 3v... they were much smoother and made more low end torque
@Prestiged_peck
@Prestiged_peck 4 жыл бұрын
That's what they do lol
@stevenwalker9013
@stevenwalker9013 3 жыл бұрын
Love my 4.6 2valve.
@jakejacob9814
@jakejacob9814 3 жыл бұрын
imagine if the vvt wasnt locked out
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 2 жыл бұрын
For a car, i'd rather have the 4 valve. For a truck, maybe a 3 valve. If i was going 2 valve, i'd rather get an LS to have better aftermarket support. Horsepower knows no branding.
@midnight347
@midnight347 2 ай бұрын
​@@sepg5084the mod motors have endless aftermarket support and with forged internals sky's the limit no reason for an ls. Buy a gm if you wanna build an ls.
@lukestrasser
@lukestrasser 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure if the thumbs down is from a 2v or 3v 6.8 V-10 owner. Neat test, the 3v engines rarely get any love.
@austindoud273
@austindoud273 4 жыл бұрын
V10 would be cool to see on the dyno
@unclesquirrel6951
@unclesquirrel6951 4 жыл бұрын
Personally I blame squirrels
@pmd7771969
@pmd7771969 Жыл бұрын
They should've used e85. Very few guys wanna run that expensive 114 to 118 s h I t. And e85 runs cool. No intercooler needed usually. Bloodviking
@carcrazy5645829
@carcrazy5645829 4 жыл бұрын
Love the 3V stuff!
@texdevildog9174
@texdevildog9174 4 жыл бұрын
New t-shirt: Boost makes everybody happy.
@moosestangls5099
@moosestangls5099 3 жыл бұрын
All Ford guys please help!! Have 4.6 running on passenger side of motor only?? All 8 coils work an injectors?? Left side never gets hot
@charleswaynewright2042
@charleswaynewright2042 9 ай бұрын
I'd love to see what the 3 valve twin turbo would have done with a little more effort, bren speed has cams for the 3 valve that doesn't involve all the tune timings issues i had been giving a lot of thought to twin turbos on my old GT im 68 years young and getting tired of these little 90 pound kids in there coyotes come by me in the parking lot and rev their engine I've even thought about putting some 460 aka 520 on their ass if i gotta put the oil pan in the trunk it will go
@Drifter6942
@Drifter6942 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the same test done with superchargers on the 5.4 2v and 3v
@markmccarty727
@markmccarty727 3 жыл бұрын
Just made a request for 3v 5.4. low boost 6-8 lbs, for towing. My 5.4 3valve motor does a good job towing my 5400lb camper. No complaints. But 450-500 ft.lb. of touque @6-7 lbs of boost would be awesome. The old dogs got 250000 miles on it, but still going strong. If I decided to freshin it up it be nice to have more power. My phazers are locked out, all the fixed done.
@madmod
@madmod 3 жыл бұрын
@@markmccarty727 I know a centri blower isnt known for torque production at low rpms but it is a bolt on option for boost with a 5.4. It would have a rising boost curve but still produce a lot more torque than stock.
@markmccarty727
@markmccarty727 3 жыл бұрын
@@madmod Yes, and it's an easy installation, but it's not really a load sensing application. My 5.4 does a really good job, and I'm nowhere near maxing out the tow capacity. But just like racing, a little more is always better. Probably could get 550-600ft. lbs. Of torque really easy with 70 mm turbo. I think 500 would more than I need. Getting onto the interstate pulling a camper is tuff with some of the short ramps and NO acceleration lane!! Hardly ever do that, but a little more power is never a bad thing
@madmod
@madmod 3 жыл бұрын
@@markmccarty727 The benefit to even a centri blower is the fact you can pulley it up to get into boost more quickly while also avoiding any exhaust issues with having to feed a turbo. You will still come into boost very early with a vortech and a pulley. Should be able to support 500+ ft/lbs no problem.
@markmccarty727
@markmccarty727 3 жыл бұрын
@@madmod Still dragging it along. To do that ud still have to make arrangements for bleeding boost off by the time you get it spinning faster. I know, I want alot for next to nothing. In reality, a 4.6 with a properly sized turbo would probably be more efficient. But I'd still be pulling that big ass transmission and rear end! I'm out waiting on back surgery and got to much free time, but not able to put it to use!! It works fine now, and very versatile. 6lbs. Of boost @2500 would really great though!
@jonroberts6518
@jonroberts6518 2 жыл бұрын
Came back to watch this video again, showing my brother. I'm finding similar turbos out there in that t04e 57 trim and 60 trim just wondering what that aspect ratio was on those 57 trim? For me this video won't get old
@mikeaston9636
@mikeaston9636 4 жыл бұрын
Was the 3 Valve with stock pistons and rods?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
all stock
@tomstamatakos8027
@tomstamatakos8027 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Wow! I wonder how these stock 3v can't survive on the street/track over say 500 HP? Seems like in the real world with exhaust restrictions, real driveline, tire torque, axles/transmissions and twisting forces tweaking everything back up the drivetrain they tend to fail at much lower power levels. Do you think it's realistic to say that with an engine dyno (due to how smooth the resistance is) that a "test car" might have to reduce the power at the crank by say 30% to have some sort of safety factor? Interested in your thoughts on this! Like in the same way that launching a stick shift car can break stuff at way lower power levels than an auto does. Keep up the great videos and showing us what's possible - Love it!
@schmidtygt
@schmidtygt 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomstamatakos8027 500 whp. These engines are straight crank hp
@carguy99
@carguy99 Жыл бұрын
Torque is measured in pound/feet NOT foot/pounds. There is a significant difference...
@captainsledge7554
@captainsledge7554 Жыл бұрын
So much for same combo on every engine... everything was different lol totally different
@srh4401
@srh4401 3 жыл бұрын
So the 3v hangs with the 4v for much less money and at a more useable rpm range?
@midnight347
@midnight347 2 ай бұрын
When you start revving that 4v to 8k with stand alone it really comes to life assuming you have the right cams and intake manifold to make power there.
@midnight347
@midnight347 2 ай бұрын
This 4v is a terminator motor only has 8.5:1 compression vs high 9s for the 3v that also makes a difference.
@ElDudeTV
@ElDudeTV Жыл бұрын
That's my dream to see my Lincoln Town Car EXECUTIVE L with twin turbos.
@tolfojuan
@tolfojuan 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the same comparison but with the 5.4
@ronaldpoley4357
@ronaldpoley4357 4 жыл бұрын
Man, that 3-valve was torquey!
@madmod
@madmod 3 жыл бұрын
Im still shocked by that torque plateau
@manitoublack
@manitoublack 4 жыл бұрын
Might need to come to the dark side and use a real ecu like a Motec or Adaptronic to control variable valve timing
@austindoud273
@austindoud273 4 жыл бұрын
Or megasquirt
@SomethingFunny454
@SomethingFunny454 4 жыл бұрын
@@austindoud273 That's what they call my ex wife.
@markrein7282
@markrein7282 4 жыл бұрын
Or just lock the cams in a more reasonable spot, or get a custom grind with a proper ICL for locked cam timing. The TFS 2v adjustable crank sprockets work well on a 3v.
@andrewslagle1974
@andrewslagle1974 3 ай бұрын
@@markrein7282 the vvt is key on these engines !
@markrein7282
@markrein7282 3 ай бұрын
​@@andrewslagle1974 Agreed with a N/A version. Once you go boost, it is barely worth the effort to risk the loss of valvetrain control with the stock phasers. At least you can now piece together a reliable system where you can use the VCT, not like 10 years ago.
@strokermaverick
@strokermaverick 4 жыл бұрын
Ported, npi heads,are not as good as, stock pi heads.
@Spad68
@Spad68 4 жыл бұрын
You can tell right oglf the bat if you fallow his channel.
@cob2072
@cob2072 4 жыл бұрын
web.archive.org/web/20160220174040/www.sullivanperformance.com/yvs450/tech/tech.htm
@cob2072
@cob2072 4 жыл бұрын
this is some really good information you should read
@strokermaverick
@strokermaverick 4 жыл бұрын
What’s the cost, for marginal gains?
@ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers
@ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers 9 ай бұрын
No wonder that Koenigsegg bolted two Rotrex blowers on a 4V in the beginning
@richardb7977
@richardb7977 4 жыл бұрын
How about the 5.4 guys complaining?
@nocomment1749
@nocomment1749 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
THEY CAN LOOK AT THE TURBO 5.4L VIDEO THAT IS UP
@Sir.VicsMasher
@Sir.VicsMasher 4 жыл бұрын
Love to see what you could do with a sleeved and turbo'd 5.4L or 5.8L Ford Mod Motor. Not too many have done that as sleeved Coyotes are pretty hot right now.
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why you think that - when the GT500 came out with the 4v GT head 5.4l in '07, they've been boosted up to and well past 1000WHP ever since
@Sir.VicsMasher
@Sir.VicsMasher 4 жыл бұрын
​@@RyTrapp0 Big difference between a sleeved/ turbo'd 5.4/5.8 vs early GT500 with a 4L Whipple.
@chadkent1241
@chadkent1241 4 күн бұрын
Sleeved Predator has dynoed 2930 whp, won overall Sick Week and ran 6.26 @ 227mph on radials
@laParka777
@laParka777 4 жыл бұрын
Fuck ya! Now we just need the V10 and it will be full circle. Just kidding Rich, love your videos. I have learned a lot from every single 2v mod video you have produced. Your Non Pi shortblock with PI ported heads and cams combo is by far my favorite.
@baddonkey6876
@baddonkey6876 4 жыл бұрын
Do you happen to have data a buick 455 we could see? Or the data on the LS that greg brown put the smallblock ford hemi heads on in Hot Rod site, i believe you were the photographer on that motor
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't do the photos for that and I do have a Buick 455 on loan from David Freiburger
@baddonkey6876
@baddonkey6876 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 is it the one him and steve had in the chevelle
@mixvideos727
@mixvideos727 4 жыл бұрын
Ford stuff 👍👍
@MrJroc1996
@MrJroc1996 Жыл бұрын
Do you remember what size turbos were offered with this HP Performance kit? I have this kit on a 96 cobra right now. I think the paperwork that I have stated that the turbos are rated at 700-800 horsepower. The A/R on the compressor housing is 0.5. Wondering what trim they are.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
46mm and 57 mm
@jamespurvis8880
@jamespurvis8880 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Richard, I just bought a complete 4.6 motor with aluminum block (RF 1L2E) and PI heads for 300 dollars. I think it came out of a 2001 explorer. It has stage 2 NA cams from Cushman Motorsports and I am afraid they will not work with a turbo because of the duration. It also has the 6 bolt crank but I will have to upgrade the rods and pistons since I am wanting to go single turbo. What combo would you recommend without breaking the bank?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
use those cams with boost-they work fine
@jamespurvis8880
@jamespurvis8880 4 жыл бұрын
Richard Holdener thanks for replying love your content.
@coryrose2545
@coryrose2545 10 ай бұрын
Wish you woylda turned up 3v
@coryrose2545
@coryrose2545 10 ай бұрын
Lol I kidding
@Bugsidious
@Bugsidious 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for a after market fuel rail system for the 5.4l 3v. I haven't been able to locate one for my 2005 f150 project. It's for a supercharger application, so that I can run a return system and a regulator. Thanks in advance for the help.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
No idea
@insaneTrout
@insaneTrout 4 жыл бұрын
sooooooo....what about the V10's....2 valves specifically. there a freaking everywhere. would love to see what it can do anywhere from 5-15lbs of boost...
@michaelangelo8001
@michaelangelo8001 4 жыл бұрын
Can't get over the amount of hp from that old 2 valve, at 2 bar.
@michaelharris748
@michaelharris748 4 жыл бұрын
2v arent nearly as bad as ppl make them out to be. You got guys out here in stock 2v gts from the 90s getting gapped by coyotes and everyone says oh they suck theyre slow...with the right mods they can make some power and it dont take nearly as many mods as most people think it does. I think the power is very respectable. The 4v is def the king of the older mod motors and even the coyote is a 4v. The gt500s were also 4v albiet 5.4 and a punched out version of the same engine the 5.8. I love me some 4vs but i also realize the potential of the 2v when done right and i respect them and they sound great.
@dreygrach
@dreygrach 4 жыл бұрын
A 2v making 714 hp, amazing! 🤤🤤🤤
@midnight347
@midnight347 3 жыл бұрын
This is an engine dyno with no exhaust and no accessories pulling hp from it and no driveline loss. In a car this combo might see 600 at the wheels on a good day which isnt bad just wanted to put into perspective that this 700+hp is nowhere near 700 WHEEL hp which is what most people refer to in the automotive aftermarket industry. It isnt that hard to make power with a 2v people just repeat what everyone else says that they can't do it. With stock rods they can't reliably hold much above 400-450 rwhp but you can get a forged rotating assembly for like 2 grand and then the skies the limit basically. That is the only thing holding a 2v back from making big power. It won't make as much as a 4v with equal mods and boost but it can def make plenty of power.
@dooby1445
@dooby1445 22 күн бұрын
@@midnight347You’re not wrong, but how much horsepower do you think a properly sized exhaust costs? A proper exhaust will have less than 1psi of back pressure (not pre-turbo). I don’t believe the power loss will show up on a dyno.
@steveparlier9282
@steveparlier9282 3 жыл бұрын
Wanna see 1000 hp out of 2valve I’ve heard it can be done maybe with the pi swap?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
i did it with boost on a pi
@charlestalton1825
@charlestalton1825 3 жыл бұрын
Taking notes
@charlestalton1825
@charlestalton1825 3 жыл бұрын
Non pi block with pi heads 2v !?
@b.c6015
@b.c6015 6 ай бұрын
What does the 2v 3v 4v 89v make on motor
@raybowen8516
@raybowen8516 4 жыл бұрын
What about doing a Triton V10
@theozman38
@theozman38 4 жыл бұрын
I love the vice grips. Lol. Modern technology still relies on those handy dandy devices
@Crimsonoverlord.
@Crimsonoverlord. 2 жыл бұрын
who cares if they complain
@smoke_oguwop
@smoke_oguwop 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a solo video on a 3v 4.6
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 4 жыл бұрын
Would have liked to have seen how the boost to drive pressure ran on these setups.
@Wicked_RotF30
@Wicked_RotF30 3 жыл бұрын
Want to build a 4V and put it in a P71.
@schoolofhardknocks1096
@schoolofhardknocks1096 4 жыл бұрын
i know it’s a dead horse but man i wanna see a 427w stroker
@P71ScrewHead
@P71ScrewHead 4 жыл бұрын
it would beat the mod motors including the 4v like its a walk in the park, like it's got them on a leash, like there's no tomorrow, like it wasn't funny, like your momma caught you stealing from her coin collection to buy candy, like, like, well, you get the point..lol But yes, a 427W based 351W is a beast of an engine SBF..
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
I have done several of those including an all aluminum version
@schoolofhardknocks1096
@schoolofhardknocks1096 4 жыл бұрын
TigreLoko24 currently in the process of building one for a 95 step side ford 4x4 she’s gonna be a sleeper when i’m done
@schoolofhardknocks1096
@schoolofhardknocks1096 4 жыл бұрын
TigreLoko24 All functionally zero bulshit no lift and dumb ass tires and wheels pure performance towing and all around badass ford truck
@P71ScrewHead
@P71ScrewHead 4 жыл бұрын
@@schoolofhardknocks1096 that's kool, gonna be a strong runner..
@rupertastrid8846
@rupertastrid8846 4 жыл бұрын
So I remember doing some research in the past and the 57 trim t04e turbo's actually tend to make less power than the 50 trims with all else being equal. The inducer on the compressor is slightly larger but the exducer is the same. I'd almost bet if you did the math and plot them out on a compressor map the 50 trim would have been a better choice to stick with all around, I would've enjoyed seeing back to back with the exact same turbo setup.
@RJon2006
@RJon2006 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting torque curve on the 4V. Any particular reason why it’s wavy and not as linear?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
maybe tuning
@Y2daT420
@Y2daT420 4 жыл бұрын
you should do a stock pi 2v block with non pi stock heads with a twin turbo .. .. so a budget guy with a both engines could basically do a budget NA build for 1 car using the non pi block w the pi heads + cam upgrades.. and the pi block with the non pi heads along with a cheap twin 50 or 57 turbo kit for car 2,, + needed ecu and fuel injector-pump upgrades ..aiming for the 600 ish hp mark... mainly bringing this up because i have 2 cars with 95-96 year 4.6 2valve and a 01 4.6 2v...all lincoln tc
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
non PI heads are not good
@Y2daT420
@Y2daT420 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 my thought is a lower compression motor on the cheap $$ to make more power under boost pressure.. ( which is due to more total volume being pressurised on the intake stroke) provided you have the turbo well sized/..ect for the build. However if the non pi heads are junk then ???
@charlestalton1825
@charlestalton1825 3 жыл бұрын
Y2da420 i see ya, good for the goose & the gander - na vs boosted and /or compressed ??? Now I'm confused, like mechanical variable duration and the " open valve " concept!
@dooby1445
@dooby1445 22 күн бұрын
@@Y2daT420It’s not the year 2000 man. Our fuels are better these days. High compression high boost on E85 and let it eat man.
@JosePerez-ki5zv
@JosePerez-ki5zv 3 жыл бұрын
Stock internals??
@ripfletching
@ripfletching Жыл бұрын
Please pm me about pricing for a NA 5.0 build in my 2015 f150 thanks
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
I DON'T BUILD MOTORS FOR SALE
@ripfletching
@ripfletching Жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 well, that’s sad. I know you know your business I couldn’t afford to do it this winter anyway, but I would love to have a naturally aspirated street legal pump, gas motor build in the near future.
@elms1319
@elms1319 6 ай бұрын
Great video 💯
@b.c6015
@b.c6015 6 ай бұрын
2v 3v 4v vs LS and LT which one you taking ??
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 6 ай бұрын
I test them all
@scottadkin541
@scottadkin541 4 жыл бұрын
This man, what a legend. Keep it up, I show your channel to anyone I can. Fantastic information and wonderful dialogue!
@isaacphillips8543
@isaacphillips8543 2 жыл бұрын
Love your channel. Currently have a 3v 4.6 Mustang GT. What cams and head work were done? Or did you run boost at 10.5lbs with stock internals, stock heads on the 3v 4.6?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
WE RAN BOOST STOCK AND MOFIFIED ON A 3V
@isaacphillips8543
@isaacphillips8543 2 жыл бұрын
In this video specifically, for the 3v, it was stock heads, cams, piston rods, with 65lb injectors with long tubes? I wanna make sure i got that correct. I would love to replicate this in my 3v for a while before i get a 4v 5.4 and rebuild it and go with boost.
@timboro3433
@timboro3433 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't realize that to4e would make that kinda power, good to know
@strokermaverick
@strokermaverick 4 жыл бұрын
Turminator engines, were underrated by, 50 hp and 50 lb feet of torque! Looks it up!
@HioSSilver1999
@HioSSilver1999 4 жыл бұрын
15-20 at most.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
I don't have to look it up-I ran plenty of them
@timothybayliss6680
@timothybayliss6680 4 жыл бұрын
They made almost their rated power at the tires. I've seen one test that tossing the factory airbox aside made more than 400 at the tires on a stock car. It was also a magazine test car, so was maybe better than most, but they could deliver the goods.
@HioSSilver1999
@HioSSilver1999 4 жыл бұрын
@@timothybayliss6680 they typically made 350-360 whp stock. Ran like they had 320whp. I have a 03 cobra motor in a notch with a ported blower that makes 468whp 471wtq
@timothybayliss6680
@timothybayliss6680 4 жыл бұрын
@@HioSSilver1999 I haven't looked into cobras in years. From what every dork that has one says is they have a long break in period, and will continue to increase in power until almost 30k miles. The most I've seen from someone claiming to have a stock car is 381 SAE on a mustang dyno. That seems really high to me, like more than a c7 corvette. If you look at the mph these cars could hit in the 1/4, they were making at least 430hp the whole time.
@TACOMASRT5
@TACOMASRT5 4 жыл бұрын
So how much boost can a factory 03 grand marquis take
@austindoud273
@austindoud273 4 жыл бұрын
Up until it bends rods back a 1/4 turn
@timothybayliss6680
@timothybayliss6680 4 жыл бұрын
All of it. I think the 03 cars were not pi ones and the engine long block is different than the mustangs. The rods will be the weak link. They make 220 crank stock. If you want to run 18 pounds on e85 and kick out about 400whp...youll be okay, just. If you want more than that, just coyote swap.
@jvinsonhaler
@jvinsonhaler 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the 3v content! My 07 3v is tired and I’m debating whether to rebuild & boost or swap for a 460 or maybe a boosted 351w like the 1k hp version you did in another video.
@midnight347
@midnight347 3 жыл бұрын
Just do forged internals on the 3v and add boost. They can make a ton of power no reason to go with a different engine unless you just don't wanna deal with having an engine built which is ideal honestly for longevity if you actually care about being able to run it like its supposed to be ran and still get plenty of life out of it.
@srh4401
@srh4401 3 жыл бұрын
What were the specs on the 3v cams
@srh4401
@srh4401 3 жыл бұрын
That's my question and the 3v at 10lbs made more power than the 4v at 7 lbs but did so at much lower rpm. That's a huge win for the 3v
@billyking5377
@billyking5377 4 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a 3v v10 run
@ethanwild3301
@ethanwild3301 10 ай бұрын
whats the difference between a cobra 4v and an aviator 4v? Just built bottom end?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 10 ай бұрын
intake and possibly cams, not sure on compression
@ethanwild3301
@ethanwild3301 10 ай бұрын
@@richardholdener1727Thanks! I thought the heads were different too
@devincrawford1876
@devincrawford1876 3 жыл бұрын
So why didn't you do the pi heads with the 270 cams? Like you did with the comparison of the pi vs non pi?
@artemusifasuenshuffleman8535
@artemusifasuenshuffleman8535 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Just what I wanted to see..love your videos, straight to the point and on the right level.
@jonroberts6518
@jonroberts6518 3 жыл бұрын
Hey 4.6l4v near 20psi boost and knocking on the door for 1K hp 👍
@hiteracing1489
@hiteracing1489 Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@umakemerandy3669
@umakemerandy3669 3 жыл бұрын
Good good!
@emmanuelestrada5914
@emmanuelestrada5914 4 жыл бұрын
How about trying a 6.8 V10 !!!!
@ryanmalin
@ryanmalin 4 жыл бұрын
oh hell yes! this is the perfect video for tonight! Thanks Rich!
@timruiter5460
@timruiter5460 4 жыл бұрын
Twin turbos on my Mark 8! The Original Cobra engine.
@fachu2
@fachu2 4 жыл бұрын
what about the 5.4L? Just kidding! Wish I'd boosted my 06 F150 3V 5.4L now.
@scottb3637
@scottb3637 4 жыл бұрын
What cams did you use in the 3valve engine naturally aspirated? I saw you bumped the injectors to 65 lbs.
@lulujrlaulom7905
@lulujrlaulom7905 3 жыл бұрын
4.6 really came alive on that 2v.
@The3chordwonder
@The3chordwonder 3 жыл бұрын
I know this video is old, but it is useful for me. Starting a new project, F100/Crown Vic swap. I got a 2011 Romeo 2V PI engine and I want to make cheap power on it. From what I can see, turbos are definitely the ticket to cheap power, especially those ebay gt45 turbos (I plan on doing a single to save money). I am completely new to the 4.6 motor. Other than ring gap, what needs to be done to support a decent amount of boost? I know the 2v had forged internals -- what could the stock internals take?
@The3chordwonder
@The3chordwonder 3 жыл бұрын
edit - I meant to say I know the 2v (In this video) had forged, not cast like stock, internals.
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 4 жыл бұрын
Since Mihovetz was mentioned, I'm obligated to post up his absolutely mind blowing insane combination(as of about 4-5 years ago anyway)... Production 4.6l aluminum Teksid block - 282cu in Production GT/GT500 heads Production timing components(chains, sprockets, followers, lash adjusters - not kidding) 11.25:1 comp 62psi 10000RPM 3000+HP 5.88@253mph @ 2500lbs(Pro Stock chassis) He's also used factory forged Kellogg '03/'04 Cobra cranks at this level too, though he's switched to billet because they start to twist around 3000HP LOL Mind you, while these are 100% legitimate production parts, the reality is that there isn't a production head or block on earth that's making 3000+HP and running high-5s without hundreds of hours of work put into them, so don't go thinking it's equivalent to 'junkyard parts'; EVERYTHING requires a lot of work up at 3000HP.
@zethloveless7238
@zethloveless7238 4 жыл бұрын
Teksid block that no longer resembles anything near stock castings it’s a sealed ass worked over race block 😂 also stop acting like they last forever...I’m so sick of hearing “because mihovetz”. In fact from what I know the 5.0 iron blocks are even better for said purpose 🤷‍♂️. More than sure he’s blown up more than his fair share of those 😊. Seems even guys in mustang forums are sick of folks repeating same bs bc of one guy with race worked parts
@PureCountryof91
@PureCountryof91 4 жыл бұрын
@@zethloveless7238 teksid blocks were made by the same people that made ferrari block if I remember right..
@zethloveless7238
@zethloveless7238 4 жыл бұрын
PureCountryof91 I know this. What’s your point ?
@PureCountryof91
@PureCountryof91 4 жыл бұрын
@@zethloveless7238 there have been numerous tests of the teksid to 1200hp and beyond. This was back before we had the kind of engine management we do now. I'm just putting it out there that the teksid was a really good block for being designed and built for the 90's muscle/luxury car
@zethloveless7238
@zethloveless7238 4 жыл бұрын
PureCountryof91 never said it wasent hell even inline 6 blocks like a 2jz are good for around 2000hp before needing billet but that’s besides the point. What I meant was after awhile that block isn’t stock with all the filling and girdle work etc needed.
@lloydholt6511
@lloydholt6511 4 жыл бұрын
Great test. Boost always makes power. No surprises their. Factory Ecu would be interesting.
@mikethatguy27
@mikethatguy27 2 жыл бұрын
There's TONS of these motors out there the market could really be just as easy and fun as LS builds ... I think OHC's scare people is all.
@midnight347
@midnight347 2 ай бұрын
Idk why they're fairly simple and easy to make big smooth power with.
@BMW_DAILY
@BMW_DAILY 3 жыл бұрын
Is that the kit I always see on eBay for under 2,000?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
no sir
@BMW_DAILY
@BMW_DAILY 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 darn, how well does this kit fit on an a new edge Mustang?
@ZackNakazora1
@ZackNakazora1 4 жыл бұрын
starting to think the next "modern muscle classic" is a 2v crown vic with some mild ported heads and 10 psi... 600 hp isnt anything to snuff at and you get ALOT of car for the money
@xxxmikeyjock
@xxxmikeyjock 4 жыл бұрын
difficult to package. I am stuffing all the crownvic suspension in to a 95 f150, smart people would stick to the older frames that actually fit the CV stuff, and there is way more room for a turbo then in a CV chassis.
@lpssamanthayt8361
@lpssamanthayt8361 4 жыл бұрын
What does it take to make 1000 hp on a three valve that’s my goal
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
cams, head porting and boost
@Texasknowhow
@Texasknowhow 3 жыл бұрын
Richard, I'm installing a Crown Vic frame and drive train under a '71 Ford F100 body. This is done a lot but I wanted to know what I was getting with the 2006 CV (not a P71 police car) engine... were these the 2 valve engines? Would they be like the non PI mustang 4.6s? What can I do to bump up the power on these? Thanks in advance, this would be a great video someday to help all us swap guys out. Thanks, love the videos and the knowledge gained. Clay
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
AN 06 SHOULD BE A pi
@Texasknowhow
@Texasknowhow 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 - so a PI 2 valve, right?
@Brock_Landers
@Brock_Landers 4 жыл бұрын
So Rich, I'm a big Honda guy. I have a 612 whp EJ8 built LSVTEC turbo. I also have a 6th gen Accord that's about to get a J32A swap with a 6 speed manual. What I'd really like to see is what a single or twin turbo kit would do on a J32A2. I know that you're big on the B16 and B18, but I'm really interested in seeing what the stock J series can do. My stock J32A was rated at 260 hp and mine has headers, a full exhaust with dual mufflers, an Injen cold air intake, and a single stage 50 hp dry nitrous kit.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
I have a good friend doing a J swap in an NSX-I will have videos
@reeseharrison3419
@reeseharrison3419 6 ай бұрын
Hey wassup man I have some questions about that 4.6 3v
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 6 ай бұрын
ask
@reeseharrison3419
@reeseharrison3419 6 ай бұрын
Can you give me a call
@reeseharrison3419
@reeseharrison3419 6 ай бұрын
Do you think it’s worth doing a twin turbo set up on the 4.6 3v I have a 2010 gt mustang and was really thinking about doing it after seeing your video
@toms5oh
@toms5oh 4 жыл бұрын
what computer did you use for the 3V?
@ronjonsircar828
@ronjonsircar828 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard, I've always enjoyed reading your articles back in the Muscle Mustangs and fast Fords days and watching your videos, they are a wealth of information. I was wondering if you have any experience with forced induction modular engines running on LPG auto propane? It doesnt seem like there is much info out there regarding forced induction and LPG as a fuel source. Are there adequate engine control systems available to run LPG on a twin turbo or supercharged modular ford engine? can the stock ECU control LPG injectors (Im wondering if the ECU from a vehicle that came from Ford with the "gaseous engine prep package" might be set up this way?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
no lpg testing
@benjaminnolastnameforyou7938
@benjaminnolastnameforyou7938 4 жыл бұрын
Ok so when will be the shootout lol?
@dangerousfreedom4965
@dangerousfreedom4965 4 жыл бұрын
I wish you would state what fuel you are using. 91,93?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
race fuel with boost
@dangerousfreedom4965
@dangerousfreedom4965 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 so like 110?
@l8tapex
@l8tapex 11 ай бұрын
Tks, its something but way too many variables to be a control.
@opieg7333
@opieg7333 4 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for the guys with 5 valves being left out... well not really... Wish I could bounce a few dozen question off of you but feel like I get a better grasp on the flow-power dynamic with each of your videos. Maybe you can dig into the cam spec stuff a little more? I get the impacts of static compression and head flow in a static state, but really feel lost in understanding what those cam specs mean to outcomes and how the variations in cam specs impact everything. Seems like you can really "adjust" dynamic compression with the cam set up with changes in lobe sepration but how much do such changes matter? Really appreciate your work.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
cam timing is important but whatever the change in the power curve from cam timing-boost just adds to that
@dino8402
@dino8402 3 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t you change the cams in the 3v also
@leosixpower
@leosixpower 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!!!! You guys could use a fueltech ems that controls the variable cam timming.
@johnk5577
@johnk5577 4 жыл бұрын
would've been nice to see a run with the 4v boosted setup on a 5.4 lincoln navigator motor
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
check out the 4V 5.4L turbo video that is up
@johnk5577
@johnk5577 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 found it, thats a very nice unit
@ariczacari
@ariczacari 4 жыл бұрын
My guy! Why didn’t you make these videos years ago! Great stuff so much information.
@midnight347
@midnight347 3 жыл бұрын
He used to do testing for muscle mustangs and fast ford magazine back in the day that is actually where the 4v portion of the test came from they did a boost comparison on that engine he mentioned in the video they did twin screw, stock blower, centrifugal blower and these twins. They were always doing cool tests and build up like these in those mags back in the day man I miss mm&ff mag going to have to get another subscription. Not the same as it once was but still a good mag for ford guys with lots of info.
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