Twin Turbo vs Veritas Twin Screw Vises

[@AndreyKharitonkin]

Interesting vice, great installation! Regarding bushing for the Veritas twin screws... When I installed mine I used DN 32 PVC tube for sink drain as bushing. It is 32 mm outside and close to 28 mm inside - just slightly bigger than the screw. I have some stretchers underneath the worktop (or that purple leg in your case) that I drilled to let this pipe with the screw to go through. Now the screw is supported all the way and also protected from dust underneath (though, some saw dust on exposed part of the screw can go inside when you close the vice). Also before installing to the actual workbench I built a prototype out of cheap construction wood for front and rear jaws - that helped a lot. Had once the same problem with screws being disengaged from each other. Turns out I had to tighten those two set screws as you found out. Happened only once so far in 5 years.

[@AndrewKleinWW]

Thanks for the very complete and thoughtful review.

[@krtwood]

Thanks for the vise, and for being a clever bastard!

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks for the thorough description of these two vises. I've got the Veritas ts vise and I thought that I would like it a lot more than I actually do. I will happily replace it with Andy's Twin Turbo at the first opportunity!

[@krtwood]

Where was all this criticism about the vise before we bought ours, eh?

[@jeremyspecce]

Awesome review and breakdown. I loved the editing comparing the speeds. And that add-on spinner is slick! Came here from Andy's channel when he recommended to watch your video before his response. You have gained a very impressed subscriber.

[@ffjsb]

Looks like to me that there was way too much slack in the Veritas chain, I think it would've worked better with a link removed. As for the twin turbo, I'd apply Slip Plate graphite spray on the gears, it sprays on wet but then dries with a soft coating of graphite that doesn't attract dust, and it would probably quiet the gears a little too. You can get that stuff at Tractor Supply Store, and you can also get a steering wheel spinner knob that would work on the handle like the one on the Veritas handle.

[@mcremona]

That's a mighty fine pinky you've got there

[@David-Lyell]

We're going to showcase the best pinkys of the year on PopWood playback, this is a top contender.

[@David-Lyell]

@@mcremona I'll put out a call for everyone to submit pictures of their pinkies.

[@krtwood]

I wash it at least once a week.

[@mcremona]

@@krtwood is that a lot?

[@krtwood]

It more than I wash the other ones. Because it's special.

[@thebubbacontinuum2645]

You can stack set screws just like nuts. I don't know if there is room in the Veritas for a set screw and a jam screw, but it's an established practice.

[@kurttalert]

Good stuff. Been following Andy’s progress with this for a while, can’t wait for it to be for sale. I’ll be building a new bench around it!

[@skeeterd5150]

If you still have the Veritas, use a drill bit into the screw hole to make a conical divot on the shaft and get a conical shaped setscrew to lock it in.

[@reforzar]

I could flip my bench over, but then I’ll have to spend an hour clearing it off.

[@krtwood]

Well the flipping process will take care of that for you.

[@jlw35cudvm]

I have to try that next time I clean my bench

[@tomdenny8507]

Look forward to hearing a long term review of this amazing vice.

[@johndelepine4856]

WOW great vise. I never knew that even was available....I have to have one for sure. Thanks for the video.

[@handydan1591]

I love the handle idea. Easy enough to adjust the plans for it with a thread hole and a handle with a bearing. Great idea.

[@thomasarussellsr]

still would have to add that center stop for the handle shaft somehow. Maybe an option to order it with a hand-wheel instead?

[@robertcornelius3514]

Critical Judge, here. The only thing that I worry about is when you really have to crank down on the handle. That torque over time can cause a lot of twist in those gears. Time will tell.

[@shamanic1]

Well, I'm surprised no one mentioned this, but, the torque on a $99k Tesla OUGHT to be ferocious, just as a wide-jaw vise, for $400+ SHOULD be a joy to use! It is surprising that Matthias Wandel hasn't offered plans for a gear-driven vise as of ten years ago (though it would probably have required intense nerdy abilities). ;-) So, the budget - or even regular-income woodworker - is still left out of the wide-jaw end vise market; the man who remedied problem could do very well, $$ it seems to me.

[@RobinsonStevens]

It looks awesome, great job! Thank you your feedback. It will be interesting to see what the pricing will be on this vise.

[@thomasarussellsr]

Andrew Kline (the inventor/builder) mentions the proposed price on his most recent video about the vice.

[@mchristopher]

Thanks for making this video. I just purchased the Twin Turbo 20” vise. I need to install the twin screws though an apron or endcap similar your install. I’m wondering how large your through holes in your apron are to allow the sleeve from the jaw to pass through without binding or catching as the vise racks up/down or side to side slightly.

[@MrDaneBrammage]

The backlash in the Veritas vise is because the chain is too long. Chains are almost always a bit long because the length can only be adjusted in increments of one link, which is why drive chains normally have a spring-loaded idler pulley to keep the chain under tension. Running the chain around a couple of fixed posts like this is a simpler solution to take up the excess length, but it only works until the chain stretches or the sprockets wear. Then you have excess length and no adjustment, causing the problem you see here.

[@krtwood]

I'm sorry I didn't give you an example of the set screw tightened and loose but no you are completely wrong. There was hardly any backlash with the set screw tightened. I lived with this vise for years and tightened that set screw with my own hands and saw the difference with my own eyes.

[@tomas6700]

Are you the same guy in your KZbin channel picture? Nice video. It helped with defining the Veritas twin screw vise option.

[@bearkatwood6354]

some great info, very much looking forward to trying out one of these vises.

[@jbb5470]

The new vise appears to be a huge improvement! I really like the mods you made especially the clear front. Great review!

[@krtwood]

Thanks!

[@muchgratitude]

Should the bottom of the vise be enclosed also? Saw dirt can get in, and clogged up the gears.

[@caesar2164]

Or a spring detent for the handwheel conversion?

[@krtwood]

Not sure what you mean

[@caesar2164]

@@krtwood www.mcmaster.com/detent-springs basically like the ball detent on hex ratchets. the shaft could have a little dimple/groove in the middle, and the collar would have a spring ball detent. when you want to "lock" it into handwheel mode you move the shaft through the collar until it locks into place. When you need the extra torque, you just push the shaft one way or the other...

[@krtwood]

Yeah, something along those lines.

[@ElectricGears]

@@caesar2164 Yes. I did exactly this modification to a metal working vice of mine many years ago and it has been *very* convenient.

[@jeremyspecce]

And if the rod itself was oval instead of round (which would very likely be a lot more expensive) it wouldn't rotate so the knob would stay in the same orientation.

[@JerryPaulTreeCreations]

That was a great review! I just watched Andrew's upgrade video, and it was the first time I've seen this vise. (I've been out of touch for a while it seems lol) When I started watching another of his videos, he suggested your's and I thought, "Cool! I'm already subbed to him!" and came to see what you thought of it. ... I'm really glad I did. I like the wood overlay with the knob. Hopefully he'll provide some options like that .... or maybe you could start another side business with them! Great video, and a great review. Cheers!

[@NRCarrillo]

That looks pretty darn sharp. If I DID ever get a vice like that I would definitely want to see the gears as well. Would want some acrylic for protection but maybe some backlights so I could see the internals better AND then you could go so far as inlay or apply some kind of wood/metal trim. Scroll work or cast iron? Would really give you bench a Wow-Factor !! Also, great video and I really appreciate you!

[@krtwood]

Thanks!

[@davetarrant6888]

That was an excellent review Kevin. I subscribe and now I’m looking forward to watching your bench videos and hopefully getting one of Andy’s vises.

[@thechumpsbeendumped.7797]

Looks really good, it’s a shame you’ve cracked the acrylic already though.

[@krtwood]

Uh, it's not cracked anywhere.

[@thechumpsbeendumped.7797]

My mistake, it’s a reflection at 17:58. Watching on my IPhone.

[@aaaa-me9uu]

Great review and nice job customizing things.

[@ransx77]

Great review, but how about a "one-year later" followup video?

[@krtwood]

The vise went through a lot of changes between this and the production version so it's not super relevant how mine is holding up. It still works fine and I would still take it over the Veritas for sure. It has gotten a bit harder to turn it in the fast mode. Probably needs to be relubed after almost 2 years. In the slow speed I don't notice any difference. There was something in the fast gears that binds a little. The way all that is mounted is different now so it's not relevant anymore. It hasn't bothered me enough to mess around with it. Personally I think I would prefer to have a single speed that was somewhere between the two, closer to the fast than the slow. I never use the slow speed and the fast speed could be just a little easier to turn. He does have better threaded rods now that have less friction so that may even not be something I would want if I had the current version.

[@akquicksilver]

Great video on Andy's vice. And I appreciate the tell/tale on the Veritas vice. I considered buying one of those a few years back, glad I didn't thanks to you. If you put both your hands in your jean pockets, would you still be able to talk?

[@krtwood]

Twin turbo hands.

[@fouroakfarm]

And if you ever get tired of this one, bam, you've got a spare transmission for your car

[@ericrickert3045]

This is a game changer!

[@SteveFrenchWoodNStuff]

That was a great review. And that new vise sure is nice.

[@krtwood]

Thanks, Steve! Nice seeing you around.

[@Uncle_Buzz]

...but did you try Wranglerstar Loctite?

[@LPRNChannel]

I have that same bandsaw. Could you tell me where you got the riser block from?

[@krtwood]

Probably off Amazon back in the day. The riser blocks for Grizzly are similar, they just have the alignment pins in different spots so it's possible to adapt them if you can't find the Delta version.

[@More-Space-In-Ear]

Awesome informational video my friend, thank you...she certainly looks the biz. 👍🏼😊

[@krtwood]

Thanks!

[@seanmoran1056]

Boyd coddington is alive

[@James.......]

Good info on the vice!

[@brainfornothing]

Thanks for sharing !

[@roofermarc1]

I like this. Thanks

[@jamesk1619]

the 12yr old girl pinky made me chuckle

[@Zaniahiononzenbei]

Why not just use a chain breaker to reduce the length of the chain on the Veritas? Looks like it would be fine. :)

[@krtwood]

The chain length has nothing to do with it and it can't be even a half link shorter.

[@neonjoe529]

@@krtwood I was thinking the same thing; it seems like the full turn that you need to do before the other side engages is just the slack being taken out of the chain. When you took off the cover, I was surprised that there wasn't some kind of tensioner (like bicycles have). Either way - doesn't matter much now that you have a new vice :)

[@krtwood]

I didn't give you a closeup of the sprocket spinning on the shaft but trust me when those set screws are tight both handles turn without any delay.

[@neonjoe529]

krtwood ahhh.... I see...

[@MikeKapotsy]

I have two brand new Veritas twin-screw vises to install on my Samurai Carpenter workbench and this video doesn't exactly make me feel great about that. I'm not sure how I feel about that Brian. 🤔

[@krtwood]

It's not bad enough that your phone is outdated as soon as you buy it, eh? Somebody has to go and make Twin Screw Vise 2.0. 1.0 is perfectly serviceable though.

[@MikeKapotsy]

@@krtwood well that makes me feel a little better. I certainly cannot return them now, it's been two years or more since we purchased them! This bench has been quite the project. LOL

[@JDeWittDIY]

@@MikeKapotsy You might be able to resell them on ebay (or the likes) for almost full price, since they're new.

[@Dathanswick1]

nut block.... Does that violate the T & C of youtube?

[@stevensrspcplusmc]

Did you contact Veritas?

[@digitaIgorilla]

The 12 yr old girl wants her pinky back, get your own!

[@beezee6979]

Just wondering if you contacted Veritas about the issue? I have always heard that they had great customer service and I feel they would have wanted to make this right for you.

[@krtwood]

Nope. it took a long time for the problems to surface and if Andy's vise hadn't come long I would still be using the Veritas. It just has some annoyances. I think the problems are inherent to the design. I hope they'll take notice of the Twin Turbo and make some improvements though.

[@beezee6979]

@@krtwood Thanks for the response.

[@nagranoth_]

1:45 ehm... you're supposed to make it out of wood... and they don't deliver ANY of the wood, because everyone's workbench could be different...

[@ГеннадийВажнов]

Зачем столько статики и лишних слов, когда и так всё понятно. Хватило бы и 5 минут.

[@bobwitt305]

To be fair, he keeps saying he's not following the instructions, talking about the need for accuracy but is power tapping with a hand drill, couldn't hold a consistent reveal on a hand made part, acknowledged that the gears are not manufactured to an acceptable tolerance which anyone could already see, and has to modify it to a greater extent than the veritas to get it to work right. I get that this is still a sort of prototype but it really is a horrible sales pitch. Not to mention this would appear to be a noisy vise.

[@krtwood]

Not really sure what your point is besides to be grumpy.

[@TheBeerbelly007]

Good stuff---

[@strujich]

круто.

[@metro6028]

those arm movements makes you seasick unwatchable i'm sorry