Twinmotion 2020 Review - Is it the end of Lumion for me? (Twinmotion and Revit Tutorial)

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[@alexjones5220]

As an Architect I have been using Lumion and Twinmotion for a few years now. The one BIG problem with Twinmotion is the Level of Detail (LOD) optimisation for large scenes / distances remains at render time! If the development team can sort this major flaw out, we have a plausible alternative to Lumion. Oh, and please please increase the vegetation options - 2020 has lost trees, not gained more!

[@John_Mack]

What I like about Twinmotion. I have two systems that I use everyday. My desktop is a HPZ2 Mini that is perfect for CAD, but does not have a graphics card, therefor Lumion will not work on it. My other system is a game quality laptop with a very good graphics card and thus Lumion works on it. Twinmotion however works on both. On the HP the on screen renders are blocky, but when exported they are perfect. Also, I got Twinmotion for free, even 2020. Additionally, I am not a renderer by profession, Twinmotion is very very easy to use.

[@niirceollae2]

Revit kid you rock.. been following you for like 10 years now.. very helpful, learned revit with your help 😊

[@TheRevitKid]

Thanks!!!! You also rock!

[@ArchitectureVanguard]

I absolutely love Twinmotion and have already been using it! Getting 2020.1 for free is just awesome too! The quality you get for the required effort is just silly.

[@user-ii8yf4kj8x]

hey just wondering how you got the 2020 ver for free? - desperate architecture student

[@madichieekene1092]

@@user-ii8yf4kj8x you can get the student version from Epic games website

[@rogerhines4368]

So glad to hear this review, you may have swayed me towards Twinmotion as I was most certainly on the fence.

[@victor-arnovisagie9356]

wrong choice. but okay.

[@wolfgang_rm]

I think it depends on your profession. If you need photorealism, then Lumion and Twinmotion are not the right choice. All professional agencies work with Corona, Octane or Vray. Twinmotion is a very good choice for architects as it does not require a high degree of photorealism. Lumion is way too expensive to buy and upgrade. The upgrades are embarrassing. The best choice for me as a realtime renderer is D5. D5 is easy to use and does photo realism pretty well too. The speed of development is amazing. D5 Render will pretty much overtake everyone. Everything goes faster with the Chinese.

[@layoutarchitect]

korea fastest, but not free

[@benveasey7474]

Excellent review. If Epic get the bridge working between Unreal and Twinmotion then it will definitely be game over for Lumion. We'll be able to have custom water features - yeah!

[@TheRevitKid]

Ben Veasey I agree!! Getting the bridge to work even with quixel would be... well... epic! ;)

[@benveasey7474]

@@TheRevitKid I'm hoping Quixel Mixer will be 'inside' Unreal for texturing meshes without importing/exporting. My only concern is that Unreal will become too big for desktops and will need to be in the cloud like Autodesk's Project Plasma (aka the Revit killer).

[@TheRevitKid]

@@benveasey7474 Time will tell.....

[@victor-arnovisagie9356]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! WRONG! Lumion is KIN|G. sorry.

[@rayaalmahameed5857]

nice video :)... I suggest making your settings for an image then duplicate it and adjust the camera angle for the new image then click refresh, that would be easier than doing the same setting for every image.

[@carvingtheway]

A comprehensive yet compact comparison,,, great job man 🥂

[@henryglennon3864]

If the price stays that low, or even close to it, that's pretty damn incredible. I used the 2019 version a lot, but recently I've been teaching myself Blender, just because the TM 2019 quality wasn't there. 2020 doesn't get all the way to the 100% of Blender, but my God is the Blender learning curve high, and it is such a pain in the hole to deal with the FBX meshes that Revit exports.

[@asalbct1973]

2019 v2 + crack+?

[@slimmerick96]

If you got 2019 version of twinmotion, you can download the 2020 version for free in Epic Games Store

[@asalbct1973]

@@slimmerick96 yes i have v2020 full

[@jppj4067]

@@slimmerick96 + you have free access to megascan library of EVERY single items if you logged in through epic game account. And then they will implement raytracing, and game over. Ahahaha.

[@emmockladdie]

Thanks Kid - great overview. I'm pushing TwinMotion for our students to take up (principally because it's free) as the quality is just amazing considering its simplicity of use. I was/am a fan of ART renderer in 3ds max because of its quality level/passes/time render setting simplicity but of course they have to get to grips with 3ds max too. Without expensive graphics cards Lumion wasn't feasible for us and certainly not for students on their meagre budgets. Great to be getting the quality and VR outputs that Unreal Engine offers without having to get your head round Unreal Engine ... which is not the friendliest of software ... it can drive you demented!

[@TheRevitKid]

So true! I am glad you enjoyed! Good luck to you and your students!

[@glenn3646]

Unreal is super amazing but for 1 person its insane allot of work and tweaking, I did use corona render and did try blender for EEVEE with amazing also then try Lumion its pretty good also and speed of rendering d pretty good, but I will try Twinmotion today

[@akawinterstorm7997]

A provocative title, as i think there's room in my tool kit for all good tools, i guess it really comes down to the $$$$$ & what you can afford. I have never found a one tool to be the best solution.

[@davidbash3388]

There's definitely some things I like about Twinmotion 2020, like the aging tree settings, and the ability to control character animations. But just based off what I've experienced so far, it's just not enough for me to completely make the jump from Lumion 10 to TM2020.

[@imolotkov]

Jeff, really good review here. Thanks a lot.

[@ankulaypoulay60]

Once TM will make use of the Unreal Engine 5, this will be the real game changer. So far Lumion still gives better rendering output, that's why i'm still using it, but they wont be able to catch up with Unreal Engine 5. Might have to wait a couple of years for hat tho'...

[@TheRevitKid]

The key is "rendering output".. You are still rendering in Lumion. yes, the results are great (see all of my lumion reviews), but it is not REAL TIME. I do agree that having TM use the latest version of Unreal will help...

[@killerofprimes]

Lumion10.3 adds custom displacement maps

[@disconductorder]

Yea, not exporting channels is why im turning away from twin motion

[@WaseemOnlines]

I've been trying twinmotion for about 10 days, and I find these missings: 1. Cannot animate a specific car from the library. 2. There is no render elements like Render ID, Alpha, Reflection Channel. 3. There is no animated fallen leaves model (which is important to me for some shots) 4. No static moving for cars, people, every render will show different object locations which are not good especially for those who want to overlay videos in After effects. 6. Not able to use centimeters instead of meters for moving objects. 7. Not able to control the scale of water Caustic. 8. Autosave cannot be canceled. 9. Too much crashes, almost once every 2 hours (For the version 2020.1) 10. There is no possibility to select all images and render them all for 2k or 4k, you need to modify them one by one. 11. Not being able to use pc while rendering, the computer almost freezes. 12. Reflection box cause problem with the nigh scene. 13. No Option for softens shadows. 14. Cannot be able to record simple animation like rotating object 360 degrees. 15. Not able to change the position of the imported object axis. I think lumion still has better features.

[@akawinterstorm7997]

There's quite a few on your list that Twinotion can do, example fallen leaves "just add wind".

[@WaseemOnlines]

@@akawinterstorm7997 yes in fall weather, but not in summer I think

[@user-wv9vj3wx3o]

Call me old fashioned but I still like to rendering with more Manual software like vray + photoshop I know it's match harder to lernen but when you master it you will do more real photos than other software

[@awaismukhtar6258]

I agree.. But we switch to software like Lumion/TwinMotion to save time. And for someone like me, that is everything.

[@pongsatonrattanapriyanuch7331]

I would agree, 3d max + Vray is just phenomenal. But it use a lot of resources to render 1 frame(not just computer resource but man hour) compared to lumion/twinmotion. Not to mention the VR capability that is almost none exist in Vray.

[@_SG_86]

I still think an end render in Lumion 10 has way better quality output than TW2020. TW2020 misses sharpness and is still bloomy. You can still notice that some imported buildings dont match the environment. The only thing that sticks out is the vegetation, whilst a city scene doesnt have that much quality. The TW2020 style settings actually kinda suck compared to the massive choices you can pick from in Lumion (cfr. real skies, realistic style, interiors, u cant even choose a sketchy look in TW). I cant even pick any real sky in TW and the material settings are so bad. The only thing I like about TW2020 is the actual "gameplay" of the UI and all the things you talked about in your video.

[@BigLukeIkszipszilon]

Unfortunately the grass scatter is still not working properly: too many clicks to populate one area, still overflowing at the edges, does not follow modifications made to the terrain... No raytracing, the UI is still oversimplified and not user friendly...major disappointment overall :(

[@akawinterstorm7997]

Is there any conventional raytracing functionality in Lumion then? it may not be in 2020.1 but i believe it will arrive at some point.

[@BigLukeIkszipszilon]

@@akawinterstorm7997 no, no raytracing in Lumion neither. But Twinmotion demoed it back at the Archicad 23 reveal :/

[@akawinterstorm7997]

@@BigLukeIkszipszilon No they didnt they demoed opening Twinmotion project in Ureal Engine.

[@Arqui3D]

Thanks for the video! I'm also testing TM 2020. But... Don't touch your face!

[@sagerfxstudio8215]

Lumion for rendering better then twinmotion (Final Render)

[@slatunc6928]

hello useful video..✨How did you add the beam of light? (in 15.22)

[@TheRevitKid]

Thanks! That is a mix between having smog on and the sun angle.... but then also adding a light source and turning on "volumetric lights" ... I show it a bit in this tutorial, too: therevitkid.blogspot.com/2020/11/revit-twinmotion-2020-rendering-night.html

[@slatunc6928]

@@TheRevitKid thank youu🙏🏻

[@Charlie_Fucsard]

I tried Twinmotion 2020 in VR on my 2080Ti powered gaming computer & although the VR worked fine in Low & Medium graphics settings there was major issues in the High & Ultra settings when the real time ray tracing kicks in. The left eye rendered the entire scene, attempting ray traced reflections etc. but with some weird glitches. The right eye on the other hand rendered predominantly black with just some bright highlights where they were supposed to be. It's like Twinmotion or just the RTX standard in general can't render a real time ray traced scene twice simultaneously for both the left and right eye. Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me? Thanks in advance. For those interested & for comparison the Materials Room demo scene I tested in VR ran buttery smooth in both High & Ultra settings at full screen in 4k.

[@aaalaaain6671]

Thanks for the tutorial bro! What about changing the background for rendering in twinmotion 2020? Any help?

[@TheRevitKid]

aaa laaain it’s under context, urban, background.

[@tigerdyn]

Twinmotion 2020 just crashed on me while working on a heavy living room scene. Went back to Lumion and no problems. I think its too early still to switch to twinmotion. I am waiting for the unreal guys to put their touch and give us the unreal quality (or close enough to it) with the ease of use of the twinmotion interface with no crashes.

[@TheRevitKid]

Tiger Dynamic no crashes here.

[@bacazterchovej2235]

is it free for commercial use too ? /for early adopters/

[@vauzz66]

you are really a great help !

[@tattsun999]

Isn’t there any hope to Lumion anymore?

[@MrCokyG]

the end??? "IF ONLY"...did twinmotion can make animation door open when we wanna walktrough building? that one of many things simple question ..so dont compare too much and lil' exaggerate ...I'm user of both software...use depend on situation what software to use to job needed..

[@TheRevitKid]

MrCokyG Gblexs yes, you can make doors open in both lumion and twinmotion with multiple methods ...

[@AngryChris9215]

Off topic, but Curious about your camera setup for this video! Love the blurred background. Any insight as to how you set that up would be cool. Great Video. Thanks.

[@TheRevitKid]

Hey, it’s a canon (linked in the video description). The blur background is all about the lens.... cheers and thanks !!

[@emmockladdie]

For super blurry backgrounds you want a DSLR camera with a lens like this on it : Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM Standard Lens - the 1.4 is the aperture size - small number = big aperture = narrow depth of field = blurry. It'l be somethign like that as his camera is very close up to him when he's filming. Zoom lenses are good for the blurry but the camera has to be a long way away so it's usually not possible. He's awfully good at these videos isn't he? BTW the camera does not need to be a real expensive one - its the lenses that do the work, if you pay for good glass (lenses) a cheap camera body will do. When you upgrade, you keep the lenses and swap the body.

[@Tony-rz4ks]

great review

[@michaelpowell4007]

Nice review - On copying settings between images - there is a 'copy ambience', admittedly I haven't tried this yet. More importantly, where has all the landscaping features disappeared to?!? Why would they remove landscape creation, sculpting and painting?!?

[@TheRevitKid]

Where do you see that copy ambiance setting?

[@michaelpowell4007]

@@TheRevitKid will check when home from work but I am certain it is above or below an image thumb.

[@roelcayas8847]

@@michaelpowell4007 above an image thumb

[@adetibakayode1332]

EXCELLENT ONE FROM YOU BRO #CLAPPING#

[@TheRevitKid]

Adetiba Kayode thanks!

[@ryankane4876]

It works well for exterior scenes, but on interiors it’s way ugly. Enscape does better on interiors, though sometimes it’s noisy.

[@TheRevitKid]

Ryan Kane I’ve got some really good looking interiors in TM... on par with Enscape. Takes some time to understand how it handles lighting, shadows, and reflections.

[@tomruth9487]

@@TheRevitKid This is really good to know. I was wondering about the quality.

[@JohnFam77]

can you rotate a material in 2020.1? I can't seem to do it, but I remember it could be done in 2019

[@michaelpowell4007]

Click on 'more' under scale

[@DR-ry4ng]

2020 crashes so hard on my imac. 2019 was fine

[@RokoDesign]

same for me! try lower quality of render preview in preferences

[@wongkyo5339]

Try to use a Nvidia RTX eGPU on ur Mac, it's light-speed faster than mac onboard gpu

[@jppj4067]

I work on a 2013 MacBook Pro, the only way I can handle it is by typing command + P and choose low quality, then switch back to high res. I'm workin on small project, but it could be a workaround for you.

[@PO00800]

If only I could use my 3Dconnexion mouse with Twinmotion. It would make a world of difference.

[@fredrikasberg85]

Started using it today, and seem to also have a problem with crashes...running a PC, i7, nvidia Quadro K2000, 16 gb ram. Crashes every time I try to export something!

[@TheRevitKid]

Fredrik Åsberg not sure.... but I would say you need more RAM and I am not sure if the quadro card is the best bet for it ....

[@tigerdyn]

@@TheRevitKid Nah. It crashes for me as well and I have a beast system with RTX 2080 and 32 GB RAM. Lumion on the other hand never crashed on me. Not even once. It does sometimes go the "Not responding" mode when rendering 3GB + scenes, but if you leave it for 15 seconds it comes back to life.

[@fredrikasberg85]

​@@tigerdyn So I Just updated to a completely new computer, with a RTX 2070 Super, 16gb Ram, i7. Still having the same issue unfortunately. If someone could help I would be really glad!

[@kafikafi8841]

can you animate (swing) the tower crane in twinmotion 2020?

[@TheRevitKid]

kafi kafi yes! In both lumion and TM that is possible

[@yassineazizou1380]

I find lumion better than twinmotion, I will change my software in only one case, if TM becomes unreal engine with the same quality of unreal ungine

[@sharanyanair6441]

It’s happened !

[@sharanyanair6441]

You can now bring your Twinmotion file to unreal engine using bridge

[@MrCokyG]

did all of you realize that 2020.1 version, even you setting power of the wind to the limit...the tree or grass just not react to that..

[@TheRevitKid]

MrCokyG Gblexs mine does....?

[@zafmo9829]

in 2019, you could change the time of day in each individual photo after you created the image. However, in 2020, it seems i cant change the time for each photo separately.

[@TheRevitKid]

You can... It's just in the location settings now!

[@zafmo9829]

@@TheRevitKid yes found it lol thanks man

[@eztutor823]

Wonderful review. I've bin following both Lumion and Twinmotion from the start. My opinion is that Lumion still gives the best end results....that said...I like Twinmotion's UI better. I think that Twinmotion may have a bigger team, and the fact that its powered by Unreal engine instead of Unity may give Twinmotion a good push to eventually win over the market

[@avicohen2k]

I'm still waiting for the first real-time render software that will realize they should add quality ray tracing as a final option. Using the real time engine is fine when your working and creating drafts for design meeting but at the final stage I wouldn't mind leaving the computer a couple of hours to render that top quality image or two to showoff on a website or broucher! TM 2020 final image is still ways behind Lumion not to mention Unreal ray tracing.. Having TM based on Unreal I was hoping to get at least quality light and shadow baking but really disappointed its not there.. I know there are plans to allow export to Unreal but that means your dealing with another 3rd software which I would actually consider but the feature isn't there yet anyway.

[@TheRevitKid]

avicohen2k I’ve been able to get interior and exterior scenes very close to Lumion. I agree and disagree with final ray tracing. That defeats the purpose of a real-time program.

[@aldo_3d]

RT isn’t there yet really. You can try it out in Unreal Engine, create an empty project with RT set to on. You should have at least 1080ti or rather 2080 RTX $$$ lol

[@_SG_86]

You could try D5 Render

[@ap1970]

thx

[@youtith]

I think so?

[@deathblade909]

I agree if they fix bridge with unreal that with the included quixel library it's gojnf Tobe amazing

[@Curious_Skeptic]

Lumion still better, but at 3k+ it should be!

[@MacBamboocha]

Twinmotion's UI is terrible to say the least, especially for a daily work flow. The result however is worth the headache imho! Still, I hope we're getting smaller buttons with less sub-menus and some sort of detail list view for imports and assets. I'm fine with the smaller view port, essentially because real time rendering is faster that way! Switching between quality settings however is annoying, hidden options in sub-sections is confusing and takes too long to navigate, how layers and phases are structured is also way too Win8 Metro like - _if you get my catch._ The results for real time rendering are the best in the industry, amazing to say the *very* least! However I tend to put all interiors directly into the 3D model, because of how terrible TM's UI and view port movements are.

[@Nuae23]

Is it the end of the lumion? Yeah sure. Twinmotion can't save imported files right now and i'm not talking about crashes and many more. Just think about it, this is a rendering program and when you saved your work, you lost your imports. And yeah this is not a joke. What a disappointment.

[@christianmuntean]

One day it will. Imagine Quixel, Unreal Engine and Twinmotion working together. There is no such powerfull combination as these 3 guys here.

[@mae2309]

in two more releases TM will BE A MONSTER!!! I think epic will buy lumion to take it out of the market FINALLY!!

[@D0nKeY]

The fact they have unreal engine, and the technology behind it, especially with unreal engine 5 coming.. Once they do integrate a lot of those features it definitely has amazing potential.

[@WiFiTubeTV]

also known as the unibrow kid

[@viory_home]

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[@mrbigolnuts3041]

The tree grows??!! Bitch slap me to wake me up because I am in dream right now!! But hyper realistic? That's utter crap, it's got a long way to go.

[@glenn3646]

I thought you where a kid🤷‍♂️

[@TheRevitKid]

glenn yarzagaray I was a kid when I started the blog 11 years ago!

[@ardillasn260]

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[@zuam7645]

.... *REALLY?* ... Too much beard to see in this video!

[@rafovasquez6663]

Aburrido video de tendencia.