TWIST in Karen Read Case! Did Jury Vote Not Guilty for Two Counts? What Happens Now? Lawyer LIVE

Was the jury united on not guilty for two counts? Karen Read says so in a new filing.
The jury deadlocked in the Karen Read murder trial. She was accused of killing her boyfriend John O’Keefe by mowing him down with her car -maybe even intentionally. She says she was set up by corrupt law enforcement officials trying to protect their own.
O’Keefe was found dead in Canton, Massachusetts, in the front yard of Boston police officer Brian Albert. Prosecutors say Karen Read dropped him off at a party at Albert’s house and then hit O'Keefe with her car.
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[@cecilelee2442]

This case is such a mess and makes the entire justice system look incompetent.

[@summerbright2769]

Yes it does look like mess and it’s messy Because everything that happened points to Corruption Judge she is Corrupted she doesn’t want her family and friends to go Jail

[@annettenelson9669]

@@cecilelee2442 Can’t wait to see the movie….only, they better let Karen go before making it.

[@BlackStump172]

This is not incompetence but out and out corruption .

[@annamariapaola]

The Judge being a woman makes this even more suspect. She looks like a bimbo on this entire hung jury response. Who does not poll a jury? WTF?

[@annedupuy-kq7zn]

She is guilty

[@tamararutland-mills9530]

This Judge did everything possible to swing this in favor of the prosecution, including designing the jury form.

[@hollystiener16]

She doesn't design the jury form solely. The Proscutor and defense have a say and must approve it.

[@commiecomrade2644]

She did not design the Jury form. What she did do was not Poll the Jury or even bother to find out what charges they were hung on. She even said "if it is not guilty they just don't check guilty" So if they didn't fill out the form what the heck does that mean?? Not guilty! But the judge just declared hung on all charges.

[@victorsauvage1890]

How has this dirty judge operated in cases which he has tried when the whole nation IS NOT looking-on?

[@georgewashington3555]

Judge Beverly is a disgrace , as much integrity in her job as Trooper Proctor.

[@fabnforgotten6061]

[@SunnyDays70s]

How convenient for Aunt Bev and Lally. I pray that by the time the new trial occurs, the FBI will have uncovered more evidence about the corruption in that State.

[@wroffinwroffer6713]

The judge was hoping for a guilty verdict. When she realized she would have to declare a mistrial, she just read the note, dismissed the jury, and that was it. Good thing KR has top attys. All charges need to be dismissed for good. She is not guilty.

[@AidaShawJ.D.]

She was hoping for a verdict, any verdict, because trials are expensive for the county, the state, the defendant, etc..

[@chrislim7615]

That's right,she rushed thru it,not happy abt it hence why;)*

[@chrislim7615]

1st.n foremost(she wasn't drunk)Cos that would mean,the rest of the ppl(Albert's,Macabes,Higgins)etc.were all drunk-driving???!!!!!!!

[@hotpinkthread]

@@chrislim7615they were all drinking and driving, they all admitted to that on the stand. She had consumed at least 7 shots of vodka before going to the second bar, where another 2 drinks were ordered. She was still above the legal limit intoxicated the next morning. She was drunk, that is the only part of this trial that is not in question.

[@hotpinkthread]

@@wroffinwroffer6713 The attorneys were in the court for several minutes after she declare$ the mistrial, before the jury was released from the courthouse, and they did nothing to oppose the mistrial. In fact, as soon as the judge left the courtroom, they started celebrating. This filing is just to try to give themselves grounds for appeal should she be tried again and found guilty for charges 1&3. They are just defense attorneys doing their lawyering, not everything is a conspiracy theory or collusion to do wrong.

[@trickedouttech321]

There is no way she hit him, not with the damage to his body I'm telling you that is a beating

[@jenniferhyde5389]

Not just you but three FBI engaged witnesses scientifically proved that's the facts.

[@coolingwater9802]

And the dog bites on his arms

[@santiedormehl3042]

The expert soooooo proofed he was beaten up. Those people all grew up together and covering the murder up

[@commiecomrade2644]

@@minimeguju6868I think you are misinterpreting their comment

[@minimeguju6868]

@@commiecomrade2644 you are right. My bad.

[@davidschneide5422]

The Rodriguez charge should include a reminder that the defendant is presumed innocent.

[@golflre7179]

Yes! Absolutely. The way it reads is biased towards conviction.

[@rocketrider1405]

Was the judge afraid to survey the jury because she didn’t want to hear this as a possible outcome?

[@pink4078]

Sounds like the Judge failed everyone. She isnt doing her job well.

[@johnmorgun9961]

She messed up at the end. That's for sure.

[@annettenelson9669]

She should feel guilty for sure…after all she is a JUDGE! Karen Read is a human being too…just no robe like blonde.

[@gitmoholliday5764]

This Judge didn't refuse to recuse herself for no reason, she wanted to be able pulling strings, like a spider in the web. This was a planned act, like if plan A fails we shift to plan B.

[@yamamamama6219]

She got paid !

[@marys5624]

She’s a good judge who made a mistake, that’s it.

[@bekind4742]

This judge needs investigating !

[@jacquiw804]

Always said that Judge should have recused herself. She's a disgrace to her profession.

[@hotpinkthread]

@@jacquiw804 so, how many court cases have you attended? How many judges have you seen in action? Have you been to law school? Studied law in any capacity?

[@hotmoon2959]

She has a mission.

[@jacquiw804]

@@hotpinkthread I've seen a ton of court cases. Did you actually watch this case from the start? She is too close to the witnesses and was biased from the start. Any other judge would have removed themselves from the case.

[@kirstengrau1]

She has to RESIGN from her office. Who will be feeling safe, when she's a judge in other trials?

[@georgewashington3555]

She has as much integrity in the court as Trooper Proctor had in his investigation. Terrible.

[@David.Gaugamela]

Everyone and his brother wanted to know how the jury split, with the exception of this judge who hastily declared a mistrial without polling the jury. Was that the action of an impartial and fair judge?

[@melsafken764]

She also didn't want to know "why" an attorney objected to questions during testimony. Odd.

[@lindanavenue3042]

So jury didn’t understand that the last 2 experts were from the department of justice. I’ve been wondering if they figured it out.

[@Izzy-dl9nw]

Bev declared that soooo quickly 🧐

[@annettenelson9669]

@@David.Gaugamela …and even blonde will have to meet the REAL judge someday and pay the Piper! Run Bev Run! Ha!!!!!!!

[@Cottonsie]

she knew what she was doing

[@slapadabass13]

This whole trial/investigation is the definition of a clusterf***k

[@drypoj]

How could the jury possibly reach a verdict of guilty on even the second charge when there is a very reasonable doubt that Karen even him John at all with the SUV, even accidentally? Forensic investigators determined that John's injuries were most likely or almost certainly NOT caused by being hit by the SUV?

[@GoSheepie]

Excellent refresher! Exactly

[@shameemhinds9233]

Mind blown that ANYONE thinks she hit him. She’s innocent!

[@hadleydullnig477]

I stumble in my mind on that point as well. But I missed parts of the trial as well.

[@Hooklineandsinker145]

Exactly!!! and the video was inverted and lally just prayed no one notoced in cross! it certainly wasn’t brought up on direct!!! This judge is a joke, she cant even let the attorneys define their own objections! She’d just ask the wotness the SAME questions as the lawyers were.

[@PhyllisBurris]

Evidence of dog bites??

[@conradsieber7883]

Can a judge make a bigger more careless error than this?

[@johnmorgun9961]

She was being high handed and it's come back to bite her.

[@Stubby779]

Quacks like a duck

[@Shelsight]

I don’t think it was careless. It was deliberate. She didn’t want to poll the jury…

[@BlackStump172]

@@johnmorgun9961It has not yet come back to bite her . She is the judge and makes the decisions.

[@kathysantaite825]

Was not an error. It was on purpose.

[@harrietrynkiewicz2815]

That is what the Judge did. She summarily found the mistrial without giving opportunity to the lawyers to be heard. Period.

[@georgewashington3555]

that is correct.

[@markg6605]

This case was so mishandled. She should be investigated as well before she handles another case

[@minimeguju6868]

It seems they’ve gotten away with it in past and this trial is public televised. Over confidence since gotten away in past when judge makes up for mishandling.

[@user-hb7di7sq1j]

The McAlberts can gift Trooper Proctologist cash for a defense lawyer

[@RiseandSHINEdailyinspiration]

😂😂😂😂

[@chrislim7615]

Good:1😅😂😅Absolutely:100%

[@jenniferhyde5389]

I bet they have a Go Fund Me going atm😂

[@jeanebelleavoine3591]

😂😂😂😂

[@hotmoon2959]

Right on .

[@janicehooper7399]

This judge needs to be investigated also. She made several questionable decisions throughout the trial that leaned toward bias. (In my opinion) These new revelations are unconscionable and further muddy the fair and just civil rights of the defendant.

[@johnmorgun9961]

Deeply held convictions? Weren't the jury supposed to decide on evidence not 'deeply held convictions'?

[@user-mu8jh5zh1w]

@@johnmorgun9961 As human beings our decisions are based on our convictions. I don’t know what appeals are being filed or what’s going on behind the scenes. Did the prosecutor properly vet his witnesses? No. Did the defense argue jury instructions or the mistrial pronouncement in court? No. He was setting up for exactly what happened as all good defense attorneys would do. We are being spoon fed things by the media. I agree that this trial was a mess but it is what it is. Only time willl tell what happens. There will either be a retrial or there won’t. I only know that if I had served on that jury, I would have weighed the evidence and then voted without sacrificing my integrity or convictions. For instance, would I be able to sentence someone to death for a horrible crime? I would have trouble doing that, but the evidence may persuade me to do just that. Everyone interprets evidence differently .

[@wednesdayophelia]

A "conviction" by definition is a deeply held belief or opinion.

[@tamiflo]

In Massachusetts it's to a "moral certainty "

[@joannepollak5843]

The jury form was not understandable at all! On purpose?🤷🏻‍♀️

[@BustedFlush7096]

👍🏽👍🏽

[@AidaShawJ.D.]

Not on purpose. Evidently, the lawyers in CW just went along with it & no one thought of challenging.

[@sandy-m2r]

@@AidaShawJ.D.her defense asked for changes. One she agreed to do, which was to add a not guilty option for either charge 2 or 3 (can’t remember which)

[@scottriddell7893]

I thought the judge refused to make those changes.

[@ChrisWaigl]

​@@AidaShawJ.D. It was being challenged

[@jcs137]

It will be interesting to see what the other jurors say now. It’s going to get more complicated.

[@victorsauvage1890]

All young people would benefit from a classroom discussion of this sort.

[@dr.bibineumann]

0:40 those defense attorneys are rockstars.

[@kelliethomson922]

Show ponies

[@hollystiener16]

Not really. They are grasping.

[@jfk32975]

@@hollystiener16. For sure. Not going to work. 😢

[@livetoeat123]

Judge Bev will never rule in favor of the defense in this. She is the most biased judge I have ever seen

[@alpschild]

@livetoeat123 I’d argue she’s bad, but not as bad as Judge Gull in the Richard Allen case.

[@wildroses3040]

She probably simply knows that KR is guilty based on evidence that wasn’t allowed at trial.

[@brendakauffman8133]

Judge Bev, is Auntie Bev to the Albert and McCabe children, so she shouldn't have even tried this case, as there is a conflict of interest.

[@livetoeat123]

@@wildroses3040 How can she be guilty of hitting him by the car and leaving him to die, if it hasnt even been proven that John was hit by a car. Whatever she thinks she knows does not give her a justification to be so clearly and completely biased

[@Rae777]

@@alpschildalso, Judge Glanville from the YSL trial. It’s hard to believe all 3 of these cases are happening at the same time. A lot of awfulness being exposed at once

[@joannepollak5843]

The judge was either incompetent or biased towards the prosecution.

[@AidaShawJ.D.]

Neither is true! She is well qualified judge, who went to law school, passed the bar, served as a lawyer for several years and was nominated for judgeship. She was doing her job. She did it well! Disagreeing with her ruling doesn’t make her biased. She was very fair!

[@CH-vm6cq]

@@AidaShawJ.D.she was careless. She should have clarified what the jury meant.

[@Brucebod]

My husband thinks she may have dismissed the jury so quickly to help the prosecution. She knew there was a chance of 12 - 0 on any of the charges and so she pushed it thru so the prosecution could retry the case.

[@plutotech]

​@@AidaShawJ.D. Bev, is that you?

[@joannepollak5843]

@@AidaShawJ.D. I have been listening to several lawyers who disagree with many of her rulings during the trial and especially how she handled the jury form and instructions. She also should have asked them about their verdicts on all three possible charges. We’ll see how this pans out. I watch a lot of trials and even when I don’t like a judge’s ruling, I can still respect it.

[@asenath7766]

That judge was super biased and handled this case poorly. She acted like she was a damned queen. I can't stand her.

[@mhern57]

The problem is she IS the queen. She's the queen of that courtroom a 10:59 nd can do whatever she damn well pleases. She has ultimate power granted by the Supreme Court and rarely, and I mean Rarely do the higher courts show up to overturn or discipline a judge for Anything. Blatant or not. Because that's just how it is and has always been.. unfortunately

[@colettejaques2559]

She was solid and handled all of the attorneys, karen Read's inappropriate laughing in court. Proud 👏

[@PatriciaKeel-ig9ni]

I have read that judges are failed lawyers.

[@LeanneRigby-iy7nx]

@@colettejaques2559🤮🤮🤮

[@santiedormehl3042]

​@@colettejaques2559Not true the Judge was bias.From the start she was against the Defence team

[@CrosbieLane]

Interesting Lee! I feel the judge never liked nor cared for Karen Reed, bit of prejudice there. There was no solid, without a doubt evidence that KR actually hit her boyfriend. IF she did, how'd he end up in the middle of the front lawn? Still think there was an altercation between O'Keefe and the Albert cop, the dog got involved, jumping and scratching. Either O'Keefe fell and hit his head, or someone hit him in the back of the head- he died. Procto is up to his ears in this!!!! Thanks for your work💌

[@annettedantzler1200]

That’s why I think all the charges that they listed was really tough on the jury! What a mind-boggling experience… left no room for error - or agreement

[@BustedFlush7096]

The jury directions muddled me all up, and I’m a college educated person.

[@christianpadgett7923]

?Should the Judge have asked if they were deadlocked on all charges before declaring a mistrial?

[@tenderstepsPaul]

She could and should have. Her jury instructions and verdict forms were unclear. Jurists seemed to have thought that their options were to find not guilty or guilty on all charges. The judge seems to have dissuaded questions. At the very least, this is an administrative failure on her part, Sadly, I think she is corrupt. "Jokes" are going round about the possibility of the completed verdict forms going missing. Sadly, I would not be surprised. I am appalled - KR should not suffer even more because of "administrative "failures",

[@IngridEnbar]

What is the reason to have the new trial in front of the same judge? It makes no sense. Is the same judge make the same decisions on the same issues? If not it may be an admission of at least bad judgement. The same reasoning applies to different rulings. If there is a new trial it should be in front of a judge who has a fresh take on everything.

[@StellaKnights]

how could 8 people think he was hit by a car , not very bright are they

[@lilg2300]

Can the judge be investigated?

[@stevenprice6957]

For what ? Agreeing with Jackson’s demands on changes to a form slip ? Or letting Johnny come lately witness into a trial half way through who read about it in the Boston globe. Lol. The judge goes by law. Definitely was too soft on Jackson if anything.

[@dvb1746]

@@stevenprice6957 or for rushing into a mistrial, for forgetting to give the Defense a chance to ask questions and probably more here and there…

[@BustedFlush7096]

@@dvb1746exactly!

[@AidaShawJ.D.]

For what?

[@rad4579]

@@AidaShawJ.D. For being biased and corrupt.

[@user-bv9xj4vb2w]

Why didn’t the judge ask about all counts in the beginning? Seems incompetent. And conflict that her brother represented Chris Albert, a witness

[@jenniferhyde5389]

The judge dropped the ball by not asking for clarity on the votes on individual charges.

[@joannepollak5843]

@@jenniferhyde5389 Wondering if she did it on purpose to get the mistrial.

[@jenniferhyde5389]

@@joannepollak5843 my thoughts exactly. Shes has been steering away from the defense gaining ground on a not guilty all through the trial. In my opinion.

[@latteda4652]

Seems like they can’t get her for DUI if there was no one there to test her alcohol levels, see her driving, etc. It shouldn’t count the next morning when she wasn’t driving

[@Grammichal]

The hospital said her BAC was high the next morning but who can prove she didn’t drink at home that night as she was calling John’s phone over & over? However, I heard she can be adjudged DUI if she had only one drink. The bars have video of her drinking (as was everyone else).

[@tenderstepsPaul]

@@Grammichal Personally I don't believe she was not capable of driving through drink. No only is there questions about when she drank alcohol, but how much she drank at the bar. I can easily imagine she bought drinks to fit in - "I am a part of this group" - but may not have drank the drinks she bought.

[@brendathomas8554]

If you watched the trial you would know she's not guilty! If you watched the trial and still think she's guilty, your intelligence is seriously in question!

[@conradsieber7883]

Tough the judge screwed up don't tell me she can't call them in and put them under oath to determine what occurred. This lack of common sense is ridiculous and makes people distrust the legal system...

[@janewalls169]

That judge sounds incompetent or is biased.

[@mariapilarme]

Both

[@georgewashington3555]

Judge actions in that courtroom are as ethical as Proctors investigation and text messages. and we know he is off his desk without pay.

[@butwereallsombdyspecial]

What a cluster F of WHAAAT? 😅

[@marymartino6926]

Wow, what a nightmare

[@viabaking7626]

What a waste of resources

[@davidschneide5422]

Proctor getting $184k per year

[@georgefromdownthehall3334]

They don’t care about that 😂

[@hotpinkthread]

@@davidschneide5422I wish I made that much for doing a half ass job!

[@samariagraham4502]

The McAlberts might be intimidating the jurors as ŵe speak.

[@cbutler9540]

That is a pretty high salary for a trooper

[@AidaShawJ.D.]

“Over Time”

[@melsafken764]

All the LE in that area/state seem to get paid too much.

[@melsafken764]

​@@AidaShawJ.D. Overtime? Like driving back from a funeral? Ole Higgins needs to be investigated imo.

[@athenaf8278]

184,000 plus overtime

[@georgefromdownthehall3334]

@@athenaf8278I think the $184,000 included the overtime. So it’s $184,000 plus the generous benefit package

[@rinn1061]

I think of myself as fairly smart and fluent in legalese. (Eg. worked in the SAO as an assistant to the DA prepping court documents/docket filings, have a BA in criminal justice, etc.) and I think the verdict forms are so confusing. It does not surprise me that the jury had issues with it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist or anything but this whole case was so incompetently handled that it makes me question if it was intentional. Something smells!

[@jdxx59]

More like something stinks!

[@tenderstepsPaul]

Completely agree. No one should suffer because of administrative issues. Everyone should want jury instructions to be clear, and the verdict forms to be clear. Everyone should want the jury to be able to communicate with the court with clarity - we want to know what they decided on each charge. It took me ages to believe she was (to a degree) corrupt but there just seems too many "odd" things happening in her court.

[@Jayhay-]

I think it was part of the defense plan with a mistrial

[@Hooklineandsinker145]

What say you, Bev? Unbelievable. Bev’s JOB was to look st all the juror forms & find her not guilty in charges 1& 3. I believe Bev knew she should do this, no double jeopardy, fed & commonwealth!!!! unreal

[@MaTTheWish]

What a failure. How does an incompetent person get this position where peoples lives and families seeking justice are in her hands. Lousy person. Absolutely poor quality human.

[@dianamead2990]

Doesn’t the judge check the verdict forms for a decision and a signature before announcing the verdict?

[@scottriddell7893]

She refused to add not guilty options to the individual charges on the form.

[@mariapilarme]

She should but she didn’t.

[@jcs137]

Not guilty was on form as judge ended up adding it. I saw the form on another channel.

[@susanv6554]

​@@jcs137not for each individual charge though. They wanted a not guilty option for each of the 3 charges. She added a single not guilty..... for 2nd degree murder and all lesser charges.

[@jdxx59]

Wow…this case just keeps on giving. Are there any competent people involved in this case and trial besides the defence? The two victims are John O’Keefe and Karen Read. I doubt those that should be held accountable ever will be. 😠

[@davexrable]

Aunty Bev is as crooked as the rest of them.

[@annettenelson9669]

@@davexrable who is she an aunt to?

[@islesofshoals3551]

She really made a fool of herself but doesn't seem to get it

[@Stubby779]

Just another crook

[@minimeguju6868]

@@islesofshoals3551that means PD has something on her.

[@georgewashington3555]

Agree Bev has as much intergrity as Trooper Proctor has.. add DA Morrissey.

[@golflre7179]

The charges are so #$&@ confusing. As a jurist, if the first charge was not guilty I would have given a pass on the others because the CW did not prove anyth8ng.

[@supernova743]

The first charge includes intent to commit the crime. The other charges dont need a intent. Basically an accident that was caused by karen but not a decision to cause the accident. If the state proved she did it but the jury didnt believe it was an intended then the other charges would apply.

[@nancymilawski1048]

Apparently the legislature of Massachusetts needs to change this law so that the "judge is REQUIRED to poll each juror on each count in open court." The law should also state explicitly that counts agreed on by the jury will be dealt with immediately (either dismissal of charge for "not guilty" verdict or planning for sentencing on "guilty" verdict.

[@linastorm8703]

It was NOT Higgins. It was Albert who looks like Higgins

[@Breeze2Wind]

Bev probably didn't think this would have e come out!! BOOM💥

[@BustedFlush7096]

💥💥💥

[@MaTTheWish]

🤯💥

[@RichardZabielski-ql9ss]

She definitely thought they were too intimidated to speak up! Glad 1 person has the balls. Only 1!!! That's sad!

[@tenderstepsPaul]

I would be stunned if that was her actual belief - it could be. However, given some possible involvement on her part in the so-called "Canton mafia", perhaps this was the best option open to her. I find that a frightening thought.

[@shannontimmons5594]

I always assumed the judge polled them privately and knew the split.

[@user-dz2yt9cf5b]

Me also remember she would speak to the jury before they were dismissed

[@kitcarsoncarson615]

So, they said she was not guilty of second degree murder and not guilty of leaving a scene of personal injury and death but some felt she was guilty of manslaughter while operating a motor vehicle under the influence of liquor. They believe she was not guilty and guilty of really the same things simultaneously. They believe she was not guilty of leaving the scene with injury/death (count 3) and guilty of manslaughter while operating a motor vehicle under the influence of liquor (count 2), but how did she not leave the scene during the manslaughter? This is so messed up. The judge and her instructions to the jury were made so this right here would happen, and it worked. I think the judge saw the jurors hadn't marked on the jury form the not guilty for both counts 1 and 3, so she quickly called a mistrial and dismissed the jury. That constitutes a fast one in my book. I think she did it purposely. The judge may have lee way on many things but should she do them, maybe. But, in this case this judge made many inappropriate rulings. This case is a MESS and the judge is the reason why besides the people who are the real guilty murderers--Alberts and McCabes. The prosecution will not have an expert for the next trial to explain the manner of death because the ME for the prosecution said they aren't the ones to be able to tell the manner of death in this case, that would be for a forensic mechanical engineer accident reconstructionist. There isn't a reputable expert in dog bites that would say that the injury to JO's arm isn't from a large canine. The prosecution won't be able to sew up, zip up, or put any ups on this to make anything look reasonable next time around. Karen Read is Not Guilty of anything other than having bad taste in friends, and men.

[@hotpinkthread]

Involuntary manslaughter, would allow for them to convict her of accidentally and unknowingly hitting him due to her state of mind from being intoxicated, causing his death. The leaving the scene charge, would require her to knowingly leave someone after she knowingly injured him. So they could easily have convicted on the lesser charges under involuntary manslaughter, yet not convicted for the leaving the scene charge. The judge would not have any means to have seen the jury slips prior to dismissing the case when she went back to the deliberation room. The judge has zero contact with the jury during deliberations. The judge can ask the jury a question, via piece of paper, which is brought to the door by a clerk of court. The clerk of court, does not enter the jury deliberations room either.

[@barbarad9317]

Well, if she didn’t drive drunk, she would not be in this mess at all. She should quit drinking.

[@gitmoholliday5764]

​@@barbarad9317did anyone prove she was intoxicated ?

[@annettenelson9669]

@@kitcarsoncarson615 They only need 1 vote for the charge to be not guilty

[@annettenelson9669]

@@barbarad9317 He asked her to drive!

[@terryleong7]

I also believe that it is futile and a waste of money even to retrial on the lesser charge - the prosecution team need to make the logical decision rather than an emotional one

[@mariapilarme]

The problem it’s they are corrupts, they present in court a video flip trying to deceive the jury.

[@shawnatwood4653]

Could these judges be any more incompetent??!! Good Lord! Did the judge do this on purpose? Do your job judge!

[@supernova743]

I was on a jury before. My judge was professional, knowledgeable, and experienced. If i was on trial i have confidence i would get a fair trial. The judge in this case not so much.

[@jackiebeh6702]

This is so distressing I cannot listen. The judge should be dethroned, biased.

[@susanv6554]

Ironic how fixing the verdict form like they asked in the very beginning would have solved this entire problem 🙄 🤔 Almost like they knew what they were talking about. Why would anyone gamble with someone's life/innocence like that. I wonder if this will set a precedent for future verdict forms?

[@flynneart1111]

Obviously crooked

[@cherfluet2405]

? Did they not say that Karen was home y 1236 AM..How is it that John O'Keefe was not on the ground at 2e0AM by the man who 0lowed

[@tarynhertzberg6064]

Not sure why any juror didn't go to the press and state they said not guilty on 2 counts.

[@violatrujillo]

Yeah right and let all the nutcases know who they are

[@hotpinkthread]

Maybe they did. Maybe the informant is someone in the press, like Turtleboy.

[@gayleenoldroyd2391]

At least one did. That's why we're here. One reached out to the defense.

[@ED-es2qv]

Can Karen get out of drunk driving charges if she can prove the entire police force drives more drunk than her every day?

[@Grammichal]

No

[@m_christine1070]

😂

[@LindaMitchell-bm2fm]

The gift that keeps on giving

[@viabaking7626]

?? Could the defense have asked the judge to poll the jury on individual charges? Everyone dropped the ball...

[@BustedFlush7096]

she didn’t give them a chance to speak.

[@sandy-m2r]

They’re not allowed to ask for a hung jury in MA.

[@dianebrooks412]

They failed to ask

[@hotpinkthread]

@@BustedFlush7096No, they are not allowed to ask for a polling of the jury in MA.

[@hotpinkthread]

@@dianebrooks412they are not legally allowed to ask on a hung jury in MA.

[@cindythompson1805]

Wow! I didn’t see this coming

[@JJW419]

The judge has been absolutely horrible. How do you make this kind of mistake on a case this big

[@cbutler9540]

That is why we listen to you to explain it all!

[@dianebrooks412]

I feel like the chief should be accountable. When cops were invoked they should had given the investigation to a different jurisdiction

[@sarahterry2140]

The rule in the CW does not prevent a juror from contacting an attorney, however.

[@tenderstepsPaul]

The clarity of the jury instructions and the verdict forms are purely administrative duties of the judge. The judge should have worked hard to facilitate clear communication and understanding for all parties, and enabled the jury to communicate their verdicts clearly with the court. The failure in this case seems to indicate "interference" in the judicial process by the judge, and indicate a lack of fairness in the treatment of Karen Read. I am so outraged as I engage in understatement.

[@judysmalls6467]

The judge messed up BIG time!

[@teresawingbermuehle4212]

where are the JURY FORMS ????????

[@tenderstepsPaul]

I was reading a comment on another KZbin channel (Melanie Little) by a very credentialled retired lawyer/professor and he made a passing remark about verdict forms in this district having a habit of going missing. It would be striking if they had gone missing. And surely, she must have checked that the verdict forms were filled in appropriately before declaring a hung jury? She may/will have a lot of difficult questions to answer now. Added in the edit: Apparently, the jury followed instructions and did not fill the jury form in as they had not reached a decision on all charges. So, of no use to the defence - in fact, a problem for them. However, I agree with commentators substance (the actual verdicts) should triumph over form (the fact the jury form was not filled in).

[@user-rw8rp3du3m]

Aunt bev made it so complicated

[@tarynhertzberg6064]

Maybe Bev only read the note and didn't even look at the jury form.

[@fabnforgotten6061]

Exactly, what i said too. Bev is holding & reading 1 paper. The jurys note...not the verdict slip. I dont even think the jury had handed the verdict slip in when she declared a mistrial. Did the attorneys or anyone besides bev see actual verdict slip?

[@iamllux]

Oh, just wait. Things are going to get even more interesting.

[@-A-Gem-state-of-mind]

they filed motion to dismiss alright ! So what happens next?? Could they get it dismissed ?

[@AidaShawJ.D.]

We wait for the court’s ruling. CW will file an objection, obviously.

[@supernova743]

90 percent chance the judge declines to do this. There are several issues. Pulling the jury back in after dismissal is a big one. Another hurdle is judge bev seems to want a conviction and will want to preserve any charges she can for the second trial. Third is this is one juror and several people bringing in heresay. Thats not a strong stance to start. The defense needs to try to get in touch with more jurors, the jurors can decide to speak or not.

[@conradsieber7883]

The foreman and/or jurors seem confused about their task like they're choosing from among a menu of possibilities versus making a choice about each charge independently if that was actually their guidance.

[@andrewgraybill7920]

Foreman messed up. Bev messed up. Defense messed up.

[@VivaciousOM]

@@andrewgraybill7920The foreman chosen by Bev. Orchestrated.

[@andrewgraybill7920]

@@VivaciousOM If the foreman was really corrupt, he would have just voted guilty on all counts. It appears he voted not guilty on counts 1 and 3. This Jury and especially the foreman had no leadership and lacked initiative to ask questions or make sure there was no confusion on what they were "hung" on. Jury and foreman are partly to blame. Judge is partly to blame for being tired and not making jury instrucitons clearer. Jackson/Yanette are to blame for not asking more questions and getting more clarification. He wrote "beautiful eloquent" notes to the judge but the notes were not accurate or specific enough for the judge to know what was going on.

[@avirani0203]

Hi Lee. I love your analysis and perspective on cases. With regard to Rule 27(b), the Reporter's Notes states, "This rule also provides that the court may declare a mistrial in cases where the jury is unable to reach a verdict. However, it must first receive and record the verdicts which the jury can agree upon. See ABA Standards Relating to Trial by Jury §§ 5.4-.5 (Approved Draft, 1968); Rules of Criminal Procedure (U.L.A.), supra, Rule 541." Would this put a requirement on the court to ask the jurors if they were able to agree on any of the charges? Thank you for your response.

[@MaTTheWish]

Nice work!

[@andrewgraybill7920]

I was looking for this

[@VivaciousOM]

Thank you for this detail. Good to know.

[@samdavies7665]

Does the judge look incompetent if it turns out Karen Read was found not guilty on 2 counts, yet the judge calls it a mistrial. Norfolk County can't look much worse.

[@GH-oi2jf]

I think she is not merely incompetent, I think she was partial toward conviction.

[@tenderstepsPaul]

Well, the jury instructions and verdict form design are an administrative issue, and they have nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of the person on trial. They should not influence the verdicts. At the very least, the judge clearly failed in these tasks.

[@user-sx2rx5de9d]

Proctor is on the relocation bus with the priests

[@Tennisgirl101]

Ty! I was so confused...and there you are to clarify it all!

[@susanmoore7229]

I don’t recall the judge asking attorneys if they wanted a poll. 🤔 This is an interesting turn of events. I tend to believe defense claim bc it sounds reasonable. However, what do I know?

[@aussiecatlady]

Did the defense fail to object to mistrial and request a poll? Why wasn’t it made clear in closing they could vote not guilty on some which would have been accepted?

[@Grammichal]

Auntie Bev made her ruling in one swift motion without allowing either side to weigh in.

[@lindathomas1124]

How often are juries given a shopping list of charges and they can pick one over the other? This is crazy.

[@mariapilarme]

They are not picking lady just they didn’t find her guilty of second degree murder and abandoned the scene of the crime. They are 3 charges.

[@Grammichal]

Almost always

[@tasst2674]

IMO, Bev did not ask because she did not want to know if they found a unanimous verdict on any counts.

[@user-rw8rp3du3m]

A new trial to determine whether he was attacked inside the home.

[@suscos]

The jury confused Brian Higgins with Brian Albert

[@shelleymusleh439]

Can you explain what you mean? (Genuine question)

[@andrewgraybill7920]

Lots of Brian’s and Bald cops in this trial. It’s confusing.

[@Jam_Lady]

@@shelleymusleh439… the juror stated that is was intimidating to have [Brian] Higgins sitting in the courtroom during closing arguments. It was actually Brian Albert who was present during closing arguments. Juror had the two Brians confused.

[@shelleymusleh439]

@@Jam_Lady oh okay thank you! I must’ve missed that part. I was cleaning while listening.

[@SunnyDays70s]

Yes, I noticed that too. That’s a bit concerning to think the jurors couldn’t keep everyone straight and still render a verdict?

[@chrislim7615]

That's right,really unfair hopefully a change of:Judge n venue(if there's another trial)Cos this judge is incredibly:Bias❤always leaning towards the proscecut

[@chrispetersen4863]

? Lee... Missed the live, unfortunately... Any chance you can explain how the Prosecution seems to get multiple "bites at the apple" by charging multiple things in the same case that basically seem to be varied levels of the same charge? I was asked this and unable to explain it myself.

[@HosLongToAmendVerdictForm]

It wasn’t Higgins staring at closing. That was Brian Albert.

[@dianamead2990]

I wonder if the Alberts are intimidating!

[@mariaskinnider115]

They have been in the past that’s why Colin is such a bully boy. I think/hope their bullying days are over. Canton town needs to vote Chris off the town council.

[@christianpadgett7923]

They already rendered a verdict. Just because Auntie Bev gave confusing jury instructions and a flawed verdict sheet doesn't nullify their decision.

[@jfk32975]

They didn’t already have a decision. This is all one jury. Hello

[@AndyPanda3]

I love when you make charts. It helps. Thx for being there!

[@bethlampron2925]

Didnt they have to fill out the form when they handed the decisions to the Judge? Wouldnt it have been marked ...not guilty on 1 and 3 and indecisive on the other 2? what was the point of the form if it didnt have to be filled out?

[@CoolCucumber710]

It’s MA🙄

[@scottriddell7893]

I think there was no 'not guilty' options on the form for individual counts, only guilty.

[@mariapilarme]

We don’t know yet

[@Peony11111]

What a mess

[@cclmontoya]

????Did you say that the judges’s father is representing one of the Alberts? Or did I misunderstand. If so, I think the judge should have recused herself

[@user-bv9xj4vb2w]

Judge’s lawyer brother represented Chris Albert when he killed someone while drunk driving.

[@shaleniramsahai5782]

It is possible the jury believe she didn't hit him with her SUV but they would like her to be convicted for driving intoxicated, a reckless behaviour that can be a danger to anyone.

[@juliepeterson6639]

You settle my brain, and I love you Lawyer Lee. You are the clarifier to those of us who were either not privy to, or missed a bit of the trial. Your hard work is very appreciated!

[@theory.Neutral]

Error after error committed by Cannone has caused the Mass justice system great embarassment and a public perception scandal. Every past and subsequent case she handles will be scrutinized and this will be costly for tax payers. Perhaps she needs to be removed from the bench for public safety and order.

[@VivaciousOM]

Indeed. Proctor caused great embarrassment of Mass State Police. Now Kevin Albert caused great embarrassment of Canton Police department-he was just suspended.

[@sarahterry2140]

Judges are appointed in the CW.