Two Botters Show me How to Catch Hidden Bots

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[@jaylukasser5984]

why is this vid so quiet? i have every cranked to max volume bro

[@TexasGreed]

@DistroXFCE pugger isn't breaking rules is the difference

[@falenone11]

Ew what a trash tier "game" Come on dude, it's not even fun with cheats

[@ItsSawyer8]

@@DistroXFCEcry lol

[@user-dy6fs7vd4g]

Zolcano is filled with bots and jagex is doing nothing about it almost every world has a bot in it some worlds have level 89 bots and up to 10 of them on 1 zolcano

[@babel_fishing]

It took two stoners literally 1 day to automate what Jagex is unwilling to do. I swear Jagex does not even try.

[@yellowsmello]

Jagex has all the capabilities to take out bots. The willingly keep a certain amount of bots to inflate player count. Especially with the price of gold so low they have little reason to ban more.

[@TheAdvertisingChannelOnYoutube]

Took the text from thy thumbs. Jagex knows how screwed they are. The current player base is as bad as a group of stick in the mud boomers. Doesn't matter the idea. They will likely deject it.​@yellowsmello

[@DescendingVelocity]

Why would they try? Bots make the player count huge and it looks good for investors. They only ban the ones that people complain about on social media, but there’s plenty out there that don’t even try to hide and go unbanned. I’ve seen the same barrows bot on 302 for months. 6k chest completions. I don’t even bother reporting it anymore

[@dvd4133]

Bots are only banned when they impact the bottomline revenue. Some bots are definitely beneficial to the player economy/playerbase unfortunately.

[@Canuckrz]

It frustrates the absolute hell out of me. They wont even deal with the GE spam bots spamming the exact same things over and over. Going to any non skill cap world is absolute cancer.

[@joshuaholmes6324]

what if sir pug is the biggest botter…

[@Mrmghz1]

Probably is. How else is he going to be friends or close enough to spend hours with butters

[@King-Ransom]

​@@Mrmghz1because he's well known on KZbin and RS, and if I were in the bot community I'd love to do an interview with him or have fun.

[@Ayekay403]

​@@King-RansomThey also want to get on his good side as well..

[@jfang00]

he is. lol

[@SwiftKanaka]

Mastermind

[@imskiller99]

That awkward moment when the bot makers make a bot list in order to counter botting.

[@Jbasile1992]

they absolutely have some failsafe that protect them from the script.

[@cagxplays9602]

@@Jbasile1992 they dont care, they know they will continue to profit regardless because jagex cant ban all of their bots faster than they can make and sell them.

[@Jbasile1992]

@@cagxplays9602 yeah but why make it harder on themselves ya feel?

[@cagxplays9602]

@@Jbasile1992 Because they know nothing will change, it's been how many years and the number of bots is as high as ever..

[@Earthboundmike]

@@Jbasile1992 You did hear the part where one was botting HCIM? He wanted it to be harder lol

[@bcross15]

i could tell how uncomfortable pugger was with the "no thanks" lol i don't blame him

[@21ps3freak]

I'd hope it's quite a normal response to someone online trying to get you to download and run a .exe type program...

[@amazingkool]

​@@21ps3freakIt was the tone, not the words.

[@ak-jx1pm]

The entire conversation is staged that was a script clearly

[@cagxplays9602]

@@ak-jx1pm yes dude, everything on the internet is staged, theres nothing real anywhere 🤣 (sarcasm)

[@shwastv6551]

Plot twist, he DGAF if people bot and sticks with bot busting to make $ from youtube. Durp Durp

[@TheaVanherst]

As an experienced cheater myself, one thing cheaters love, is ratting out other cheaters.

[@casualBob7]

gotta get rid of the competition. cheating is meaningless if everyone does it

[@TheaVanherst]

@@casualBob7 No, Cheaters find meaning from being better than other cheaters, or knowing when someone is legit cheating and being able to curb stomp them. The fun is cheating the best and getting away with it and being better than others.

[@ipksometimes490]

That's only you bro. You're a dog

[@pyroman7196]

Soooo true!

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@TheaVanherst Yeah, it's like how pkers are willing to pk other pkers for their Bones and a screenshot.

[@kNowsSight]

For 2 botter to be able to do so much in a day shows that Jagex probably either 1. Is doing bot detection wrong or 2. Is not doing enough for bot detection because hey its bond money

[@NullHex]

Jagex as a company is a cash cow due to RWT. Why bother with crypto currency when you have your own Gold Pieces (tm)?

[@Mexican00b]

jagex has aklready been bought and sold several times by now... its old school botscape

[@olaola5889]

3. jagex is behind bots and get money for that. Who in this time buy bonds with real money? sell bots then a time ban and sell others more pro more expensive. Edit: Also, if they eliminated the bots 100% effectively, the number of players would reduce a lot (people who kill bots in the wild, people who use bots because they don't want to get into mining and other boring skills)

[@FelixgreenYT]

As someone who dabbled in botting for quite a while, you'd be surprised the different things the companies are using to combat bots. One thing is that they do not ban bots as soon as they're detected so it's harder for the botters to determine why and how. Also, generally, botters are spending money on these farms and sinking a lot of GP out of the game when they get caught, which doesn't seem like it but it's generally good. There are also like, minor bots, and major bots. I used to record myself playing the game and then run it back on a loop, changing the loops frequently. It's so hard to differentiate a lot of bots from players because unless you're looking at their screen or they are bad at creating bots/ don't care if you see it, you won't notice.

[@nikoSlo1]

​@@NullHex every single mmorpg is a cash cow and has rwt in it, even wow,ff14 and so on... u google for a specific game rwt or cheats or anything, it exists everywere and you can never trully stop these type of people.. sure u can bann a few but theres always gone be new players doing it all, its like irl crime... u can minimize it to a certain % but its never gona fully go away, someones gona do crime regardless. its just that back in the days in 2006 and 2007 rs the internet wasn't as evolved so that we could see all that hapenind, hell when i played i thought everyone was a real player back in year 2006 - 2008 when i played runescape regulary.. than i found out years later it was majority of it bots lmao. lets not forget in world of warcraft when i played it.. hell that place has bots too to the same ammount, i went questing on my chracter and noticed 20+ bots in a single area farming materials and gold lool

[@johnthomason3256]

This took them a day. Botters are the only ones who can catch eachother. Reminds me of back in the day when they went and hired the biggest script writer to be a jmod and he designed the only bot busting system that ever worked. Jackmob

[@brendanc8344]

Same reason white hat hackers are so valuable

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Does he still work there?

[@AlbinoMidge9377]

​@@MeanBeanComedyyes he does

[@formatme]

@@AlbinoMidge9377 no he doesnt lmfao, he left jagex a long time ago

[@RuinedItAgain]

Jagex needs the bots to keep buying the bonds and keep player numbers up. If they ever remove bots, it will be immediately replaced with mtx, just like they did to Rs3 back in the day.

[@D0ses]

i respect pugger keeping his word to not expose these guys for them helping get a whole lot of bots banned. they suck for being botters n snitching but thats a whole dif convo

[@nocapvisualz]

I think Jagex has made it clear, they only care about game breaking bots. If they deleted every bot they would go out of business. That's why we love you Pugg.

[@alain4037]

At this point, bots are just npcs

[@JoseSw8]

@@alain4037😂😂😂😂💯

[@ah-yp6vp]

Is my cannonball bot a game breaking bot??

[@jujutalley]

They kinda do the opposite tho they leave the game changing bots in forever and then ban regular players for using auto clickers

[@bobmarley5454]

@@ah-yp6vp In a massive farm, yes. It can disrupt the supply and demand. If it's just a handful of accounts.... no. They'll make a negligible impact on the game.

[@FederalAgent126]

the botting is way more advanced than you might think i was maced in the wilderness by a bunch of bots, all had 110+ smithing and 120+ cooking (combat levels between 118-112)

[@ClaudioProductionsX]

this video reminds me of a scene of the movie the big short by how they're talking about how they bot: - I don't understand, why are they confessing? - They're not confessing, they're bragging.

[@Sabotai2]

It's reminiscing actually.

[@kaylor87]

This is actually so crazy. Imagine if Jagex actually wanted to eliminate bots, this just shows how easy it would be.

[@user-ug5ic7wc9z]

I love the fact you had enough honour to not snitch on these lads, you both agreed upon a deal and organised some things and then kept to them while having a laugh.... commendable brother 🤙 at the end of the day its a game and we are all just trying to get by and find some enjoyment

[@YourCasualPoster]

Bro that software literally reminds me of when Batman had the unethical high frequency generator reciever screens that Lucius used to help him catch the Joker

[@andrewwelker7287]

This was so sick. I loved that you got to have these guest stars and what they shared with you.

[@KillingDemons]

Jagex has been clear about bots for a while now. They do not focus the type of bot farms that drastically effect the game. They only bust the ones that aren't. If I had to guess, they likely have a max amount of p2p accounts they are allowed to ban each month before it effects their bottom line.

[@zygiskulkulikauskas2862]

Bro revs are crowded ... I farm them as pkers are rare these days

[@Gymthingz]

@@zygiskulkulikauskas2862thanks for the tip

[@bostonnate4024]

These guys do top level content and don’t get banned but little Timmy buys 10m he gets perm banned

[@samgerland6087]

Little timmy isn't much revenue for the company, and not only did he scam the company out of 10$. Beyond that he's a perfect person to set an example on. Big pops with 100s account running is a great revenue stream, and if allowed to run for long enough they will come back straight after we take them down to secure the revenue stream continuously

[@ocdahm]

They do get banned, that’s what they said, it’s just not instantly

[@bostonnate4024]

@@ocdahm getting 99s? They get banned once they start making gp, they need to be banned before they even get that far. Anyone playing over 6 hours a day should be screened for botting daily

[@Testiculitis]

@@bostonnate4024 And the only reason they don't is because of how much money they make from the bonds that bots are using 🙃

[@thejimcricket]

he scrolled over of the names with his mouse it's churliron470 and hypoocuvula.

[@Popzugzugz]

Bruh why

[@jamiephillips9345]

Best video yet. Working with the botters, genius video

[@Eloquence00]

What a cool video. It really shows the potential for bot busting. If these guys worked a 9-5 for a few weeks, I'm sure they could have a system to identify most bot farms in the game. Some bot farms are just going to be undetectable or nearly undetectable - written with huge amounts of care for things like randomized actions, randomized gear swapping, chat gpt integration, etc - but any of the lazy ones would likely be spotted easily. The implication of this, however, is less that these guys are geniuses - though they are undoubtably pretty smart - and more that Jagex is failing to counter the bot issue on a fundamental level. Personally, I believe there is a few incentives for Jagex to keep some bots in the game. Firstly, the purchase of bonds is obvious monetary incentive, but also from a gameplay perspective, I believe that Jagex wants there to be some item liquidity for most items in the games. Consumables like Zulrah scales, dragon bones, runes, sharks, amalyse crystals, herbs, etc all need high amounts coming into the game since they are in use often. As negative as the effects of botting on the economy are from a GP perspective, the supply of actual items being high is likely largely due to various bot farms. If actual players had to go and collect herbs, or had to buy them at enormous gp values, the game would very likely lose players. Cheap gold inadvertently aids this side of thing. I think Jagex likes to have a certain amount of bots doing very tedious activities like making soft clay and teleport tablets, killing lava dragons, and even doing things like Zulrah or revenants and so only bans a certain % of them when they go over certain thresholds. Obviously, this eventually causes the price of some of these items to crater, but from Jagex's perspective, as long as they can keep pumping out new content with new uniques that are desireable, they can allow this. I'm not sure, if that's the thought process but I believe that Jagex must have reasons to keep these bots in the game, even if they are obvious suicide bots that should be detected by the systems rapidly.

[@kyleradcliffe8605]

write a book bozo

[@LulRazzles]

This is the equivalent of getting stuck at your plugs house for the night

[@jordanrey1637]

335 is mostly used by high volume gold sellers btw

[@Spraying_Mantis]

I love your Vids and the hard work you do for us!!! But man you flashbanged me like 5 times everytime ya switched scenes to the bots LMAO

[@iamkevinbeach]

They havent had fun playing this game in a long time, then finally had fun!

[@EditSnowy]

Now all that tool needs is a "Sort By:" tool, finding Highest to Lowest or Reversed likelihoods. I.E. The difference between finding a huge bot farm, or a very small off the radar bot farm instead.

[@zerg6205]

Bot-Busting Bots is a funny, yet awesome concept!

[@beastlye212]

These dudes were knocking off the competition smart business moves

[@zakvillarreal8236]

"This guys a tank!" Monks robes

[@brunosalvarani7120]

every time I watch one of your videos, I get more interested in botting osrs, my cuntry has a weak currency, I have pc more than strong enough, I know how to code, and every time you show a bot farm you motivate me by telling how much profit I'm capable to make, specially since you are showing a lot of spagetti code working for bots, and making a shit ton of money... sorry to say this, but you sucessfully made me join the botter side xD

[@digi3218]

I was just thinking the same thing lol. But my motivation mainly is coming from the comments of how jagex doesn't seem to care anymore

[@jameschapman7996]

i buying bunch of scripts why not they get away with it right . why work ass of wen others can do whatever

[@samgerland6087]

As long as your farms is big enough and consistently re-appearing after the eventual ban "wave" they will let you run enough to sustain. At least imo that's how it works. Glhf

[@asta4412]

It's worth it and a good way to make passive income

[@pkzammy666]

Imagine if Pugger is actually like the Big Mob Boss of Botting in OSRS. And he's just doing this to cover his tracks. Meanwhile he lives in a Varrock Mansion.

[@NathGalaGamer]

This is ur best vid yet love it

[@Chris-qr3ce]

Bro, Burt is fucking good. I would pay him to teach me what he knows. It's scary how fast he made that stuff. Not only the program, but bots have to go along with them, and then get data collected, analyzed, organized and consolidated/related, thats crazy! Yo, Burt. HMU, I'm tryin to learn from you. You know how in the karate movies the Good master defeats the bad dojo master and all the students ask the good teacher to teach them because they seen how amazingly good he was and how much better he was than their "master"? Thats what this is, I want to learn from someone with skill like that so I can have skill like that. There's teaching, then theres passing on experience, skill, and knowledge, and I don't think theres many people that are on your level.

[@smokercat]

this was a very interesting watch. also informative on how much jagex just doesnt care about botting lol

[@adarrm]

Incredible video Pugger, I smeta redemption ark for these lads 😂

[@99huntlife33]

These dudes really believed you wouldn't report them after the call? L0000L

[@King-Ransom]

I wouldn't. That's how Pugger would ruin his public figure by being dishonest and nobody would wanna do these videos with him anymore thus hurting himself in the end.

[@bodaciouschad]

Ever heard of a Judas sheep? Its the one sheep that leads the other sheep to the slaughterhouse. Why doesn't the butcher slaughter it with the rest? Because if they let the Judas sheep live, they can have it lead the next herd to the slaughterhouse again and again. This botter/bot scripter duo is more than eager to help Pugger slaughter their competition so they can upscale later. They likely think they can outsmart Jagex and, as long as they can outlast their competition, they'll have market dominance after the ban waves take out their competitors.

[@Darklordiban7]

​@@bodaciouschadI'm not sure if it's that deep. I know guys like this and guys like this do this shit for fun. I was helping a friend test his anti-cheat for a private server of a game and a guy popped up with the most advanced custom cheats that had ever been seen in the game. He just hung out, showed off what stuff he could do, helped test the anti-cheat, and even gave some good advice on how to improve it.

[@SaltyVest]

A journalist would never reveal their source, an undercover cop would never reveal a CI and Pugger should never dox or report these lads. It's beneficial to have eyes on the inside, no matter how much you may or may not trust them. Remember all that crazy schizo shit with the duel arena RMT guys sending people credible death threats? If we had inside men at the time maybe those dudes would've been brought to some kind of justice.

[@HSBA-hh9ko]

There's a keylogger and malware on the program they made for him

[@frankdamico996]

One of my favorite videos by far. Yall need to remember its a game osrs isnt a mfin religion, but look sir pugger converting homiez to the light

[@funkdocc7880]

this is the best content the game has to offer nowadays

[@skyemanuel5069]

I found black mask bots. Found near the staircase that leads to the northeast island on mos le harmles. They all wear black d hide chaps, shield, body, warrior helm, d boots, cabbage cape, and whip.

[@Snakebite420]

Thats fun. Cool Collab

[@alexdubu9203]

hey pugger if you didnt know, when you were trying to look on minimap for minnows bots, you can zoom in and out of the minimap

[@Thekrazzyman]

Wow I've been playing for years and never knew you could do that lol

[@grizzlyglock4191]

Take a look at the botters in the agility pyramid. They're always around lvl 40 combat (probably waterfall quest etc..) and lvl 69 crafting, with agility levels around 77-95. Only recently have I started to see them at the pyramid. Is it just a pure gold farm? Why the 69 crafting?

[@nicklaing9901]

at this point you may as well be the bot busting team LOL awesome content Pugger!

[@wexdranenglish9853]

There are also some 200M thieving xp bots in darkmeyer, sepulchre bank or elsewhere in darkmeyer if u keep getting the house's door open the vyrewatch will attack them and they tp and come back XD

[@MiissMandii]

all in all, they're pretty wholesome dudes !!

[@TryHard21321]

@SirPugger currently on world 421 there are 3 accounts that look like bots kicking/punching/swift blading lvl 5 monks at edgeville monastery. one account (Abuny) has a swift blade 402 total lvl. another (Old Big) RC cape and 1166 total lvl, lastly (KILL D0ZER) 226 total lvl w 81 def wearing bcp, tassys, fury(or), guardian boots, dfs, regen bracelet, ardy cloak 1 & using a swift blade.

[@urm9m703]

While some may be bots, these are likely just real players training Defence pures as the monks heal themselves so it is incredibly afk and an "easy" way to get a Defence pure account

[@dylanworkman6978]

Need more botters taking out the competition like these guys

[@CanuckBacon]

Sir Pugger the Godfather of the Botting mafia confirmed 😂 👌

[@jessicabloxsom1821]

There’s f2p bots mining iron ore SE varrock mine and if you go up north towards west Varrock gate you’ll see them chopping trees. Saw a few on w430 and hopped and around and noticed a lot more. Most have axe equipped while mining and vice versa

[@ChaseWithAMace]

Have you seen the fletching bots sitting around the GE, multiple in every world, all with 120+ fletching

[@MenoPaper]

Loved this video

[@Garcea_linking]

Please do something about the Rev Bots

[@channingtaintum]

Forget to switch accounts?

[@sicky5622]

Just get your total level up once you're on 2k worlds you're chillin

[@lifestyle3446]

@@sicky5622alot of raggers there

[@mrrace6318]

Funny how two friend botters can make a program to find bots and the Jagex team are still slacking.

[@willc4596]

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the botter."

[@craton7652]

caught this one right away

[@m4ck456]

i love sir puggers

[@Eisner2203]

Jagex needs to hire these guys. that was the most giga chad move ever.

[@crazedmonk8u]

whats the 47 hunter for... don't worry about that. *both laugh evilly* had me rolling

[@mauledomen]

Alternate title: “Mob boss recruits police to eliminate competition.”

[@WiCapitalco]

When should I sell the 9.2m raw shark on the ge? Thnx for a good merch. 😊

[@rafaelfeijoo6338]

Not gonna lie the tool they made to find the bots was the best part of the video would be nice a video sir puffer using it to find a nice big farm of bots and busting it

[@hamizansharul]

sir puggers is trying to make runescape great again. These botters knows that the game will die if botting keeps on happening, putting their love into the game more than profits really shows growth. Love what you guys are doing man. Runescape is such a nostalgic and awesome game.

[@TravisLBishop]

plot twist: sir pugger is the biggest bot script writer and distributer macerating as runescapes biggest bot buster.

[@TillykkeRS]

335 is conveniently the actual world our clan uses, when we split money with irons

[@sc0ttl1990]

should take a look at the bandos bots running at the moment, more and more frequent!

[@benwetseal7501]

Bandit camp chest , every world.

[@7evive]

Regular Chins are already going up haha!

[@joedavis5824]

yo puggs you should check out the bot farm in chaos druids, with the constant rising prices of ranarr and snape grass, they're wearing fully addy rune boots and a godsword just collecting high tier herbs. they're on multiple worlds at all times.

[@MrSolomonGaming]

To put it into perspective, those Leviathan bots literally went at it until over 104m Ranged Exp. Also I get why you don't wanna use their program. Scout bots are the reason many don't even touch the Wilderness (Imagine your HCIM's name, stats, risk and entry point getting ratted out to a PK'ing clan's Discord the second you go into the Wilderness) and even though it'd result in massive ban waves, there's always the possibility you'd get sacked for using Scout Bots to call out the bots. The main problem with bot busting on the company's part is that they go off a sort of "Time based ban wave". They rack up the guilty party in an ever growing list and don't hit the ban button until a certain time frame to try and "fool" the Bot Makers into not knowing how their system was detected. However the time gaps are wide enough to where the game still suffers as a result.

[@sambobman1]

You can use the program without botting... just have it on scouting everyone you see when you play. It would be cool if you could make it a runelite plugin to crowdsource and publicize the data

[@kodeytheneko]

I could probably make that. Do you think people would use it?

[@shrekstacy]

gonna close the gate whenever i pass by cows now

[@runescapeog4202]

ive been killing half those lava dragon bots you had on screen for weeks now . up dang near 100m in bones/black d'hides alone

[@99huntlife33]

Nice one!

[@treehugger30]

“Cows. Cows to level 75 range” 😂

[@ronanv3986]

These guys deserve a huge shoutout. What a legend!

[@mightymime6489]

There are still tons of Rouge chest bots lvl 9-34 with all the protection prayers.

[@ALICE333]

Admittedly these guys are really funny. That’s what really matters

[@patrickstork7517]

So much truth

[@eatmaaddy2]

thanks to sir pugger i now know how to build a bot farm

[@fabiang334]

Hey sir the falconry bots are going CRAZY just now by the time i write this comment, the price of gloves of silence plummeted awfully, those bots are out of control, many lvl 3 suicide bots and perhaps some hacked accounts

[@piprod01]

All you need to do is find out which accounts don't appear in that software, and you'll know what their bot accounts are.

[@Raumplestomp]

LC is a REAL piece of work. I grew up with the guy's father and I could tell you some stories :O

[@MrNtlman]

When botters are better bot busters than jagex officials

[@pulsewowz3007]

there are now pk bots in rag at lava dragons that team with eachother

[@novaprime2297]

“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

[@Runes4Pures]

The bot list is impressive, the only issue is that because it is made by bot developers, they can exclude their own bots from the list. Which is unfortunate. In all likeliness Jagex probably already has a similar system, but they have to take time verifying that they aren't real players otherwise we get another wave of false bans like before. + As others have said I'm sure the bot membership is very lucrative for them.

[@ProxyOnDiscord]

Pugger be careful. Imagine your a dog and i got a steak on the table, but i dont want to give you my steak. So i might toss you some potatos or maybe some carrots but im not going to give you the steak because its mine and i want it. Same thing applies here, THEY ARE THE STEAK, but they are tossing you the competition (potatoes and carrots) because the more you focus on what every other farm is doing, the more their farm goes under the radar. To top it all off, they are showing you because they know jagex will see and do some of the work for them in the sense of getting rid of competing bot farms. Food for thought

[@traincore1955]

The botters become the botted

[@UnsolvedAz23]

Now we are going in the right direction bot to ban the bots

[@Canuck.Collector]

"im not gonna hold you" i sure hope not

[@beanfiend]

you found the 1000 bots they wanted you to find

[@Specdrums]

Idk if you know about this but theres 2 bots farming blue dragons in ogre enclave in EVERY DAMN WORLD. I had to go there for a Konar slayer task and kept getting crashed by bots

[@MOOMOO22MOO]

This is great, though I guarantee you while he's doing this, he's theory crafting on how he can write a script to automate the process of killing other bots. Is that a good thing though lol?

[@sampletext9390]

2:15 distinctive visuals indeed...

[@zamarahix]

Big bot farm: Players in dragon armor killing kurasks in the frem slayer cave.

[@hutcherson18able]

These guys have literally only let you peek at what they do

[@hatcx]

Why are these guys so funny 😂

[@anthonyg6083]

Aww how heartwarming

[@Vandantcyclone]

They gotta track people better honestly. Every bond needs a tracker. Whoever uses it for membership gets a stamp. Tracks their progress and if it’s shady insta ban

[@timothytran1785]

Zalcano bot farm has been running in 477 for over 6 weeks now. I've reported them over 100+ times.

[@chrismisoo]

Bot wars. id watch that at least once.