Two-Point Slings Three Ways for Support, including Hasty and Crossover

In which Bloke demonstrates, with the help of an L39A1 Lee-Enfield 7.62 / .308, three different ways to use a two-point sling for support: Hasty with the butt and action swivels, and also Crossover, which you may not have heard of, and which requires an action swivel or other middle attachment point.
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[@vandahm]

Thank you for making videos like these. I'm not great, but I've gotten a lot better from following your advice.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Glad to help! :D

[@BronzeCactusorBronzeCaktus]

I was taught in Cadets in Canada how to shoot TR, but with a single point, I've been trying to learn how to shoot 2-point for ages, but I don't know anyone who shoots 2 point, so I'm so glad to find this video. I've definitely heard of some high level GB shooters using 2 points in recent years, though that may have been exaggerated

[@BlokeontheRange]

Yeah, there's still one guy who uses those old Parker-Hale slings in the crossover configuration.

[@loquat44-40]

getting back to basics is always good.

[@feudist]

Jeff Cooper introduced the action swivel two point to American shooters in the early 80s after being shown it by a South American gentleman named Carlos Widmann. Cooper added Pachmayr Flush Swivels and a reversed cobra sling. He named it the CW sling in honor of Widmann. He showed it to Creighton Abrams who told him it originated with the British. Cooper advocated it for field shooting as it allowed one to loop up while dropping into position. One of his students named Eric Ching refined it further by adding a second strap that stayed attached to the action swivel and slid along the main strap via a metal swivel. The Ching sling could thus be used as a carry strap that instantly transitioned into a support sling.

[@robertg6564]

I like all the interesting things I learn from both of you on this channel

[@derekp2674]

Thanks Bloke, I'd never seen cross over before. I was a regular user of both two point and single point slings back when I used to do serious rifle shooting with both small and full bore rifles.

[@Nexsyana]

Oh my god the long awaited sequel to the AR15 sling shooting video

[@paulancill3872]

“Today we have naming of parts” very good explanation I will try number 3 on my rifle with a poling sling switches which in my cave I have got!

[@paulfeist]

I have a very neat Australian Omark Sportco M44 with a center swivel and it came with a sling. It took me quite a while to work out what you so capably described. Like you, I'm am definitely dumb enough to use such a thing just to be contrarian, but, in the long run, I won't be getting rid of my single point slings.

[@lwrii1912]

Nice bit of information. Thanks for sharing.

[@adamsmyth584]

Thanks for this excellent piece of advice. Ive mainly used CMP style, but I actually have one of those slings you are using in my collection. I have to try it.

[@owensmith7530]

What a lovely looking rifle. The wood colour is particularly nice.

[@mgreen7063]

When I took a couple of AR classes, one of the other students said single point slings hit you in the d!ck. I've found he's right, so I have had to modify it a bit. Thanks.

[@ElTejon47901]

Have long used the CW Sling!

[@simonjones6128]

Good job Mike

[@jonathanliu3]

This is awesome. I'm pretty new to CMP Matches and am always trying to discover new and interesting ways to get better. Thanks for the demonstration! I just recently picked up a SMLE mk3* and hope to try the crossover technique soon.

[@rslover65]

Turner saddlery makes a great service rifle sling for CMP/High Power competition. They take a while to break in.

[@jonathanliu3]

@@rslover65 Thanks! I have heard of their high-quality slings, and I use a 1907 pattern for my M1 Garand and M1917 for CMP matches. I find Bloke's demo very interesting and I'm curious if it helps with my shooting. Currently, I don't have a shooting jacket and the butt and sling loop will sometimes slide down during rapid fire.

[@rslover65]

@@jonathanliu3 I picked up a cheap shooting jacket at the CMP games in OH, it has a hook on the shoulder to keep that from happening. Depending on what match you're in you may or may not be allowed to use that. I would recommend the better slings over a military issue one, it does make a difference. Mostly the turner slings are made of wider leather.

[@jonathanliu3]

@@rslover65 I'll definitely check them out. thanks!

[@matthewnewman7187]

​@r slover they are about 1 1/2 years on back order!😢

[@RCGB31]

Love that SCHMEISSER in the background ! 😜

[@pmgn8444]

Not being a competitive shorter nor having that much interest in competitive shooting, well, it did, at least help with my insomnia. Or at least passing the time. :) Keep up the good work anyway!

[@BSJ-VT]

Great video! The cross-over does look like a lot a faffing to get right. But pretty solid results. I kinda thought there would of been some cross pollination with the M1907 sling in WWII. Thanks for the lessons.

[@BlokeontheRange]

The M1907 sling was issued on British sniper rifles, but indeed never got traction beyond that in the UK. Cross-over is indeed a faff to set up (but once you're used to it you can get pretty slick), but it's really rock solid, and for a while I used it in preference to a single point before going back to one of them later.

[@BSJ-VT]

@BlokeontheRange Ah, so not crazy thinking on my part... I meant to write WW I. Is that the more accurate time frame?

[@BlokeontheRange]

I'm not sure if it was issued to British snipers in WW1

[@B_r_u_c_e]

Thank you.

[@CAPNMAC82]

I needed some "old school" today. (And, it would not be BotR without a technical glitch 🙂)

[@jediknight129]

I like shooting with issue gear and uniform and really do l9ve soke of the oddball techniques

[@reddogsaws]

O that's now you do that bean trying to set up a centre sling on a full wood n1mk3 43 bsa I guess I have to find a wider sling the og sling is not wide enough

[@onpsxmember]

I've never used that crossed one lacking a center swivel. Do you like it standing and sitting as well? It's been a while since I read 'Slings in the Wild' (Todd Dow).

[@BlokeontheRange]

Slings standing are a big cope and just make you feel tighter without actually objectively doing anything (I stopped doing it standing when I realised this). I've never shot crossover sitting, but if I wasn't allowed a single-point, I would do it that way.

[@knudge6334]

General question. Where to find a L39A1 band with swivel. Had to cut back a bulged barrel 16" with 3" counterbore and need a larger band. Thanks. Oh, we're to get a heavy match barrel for a L39A1.

[@BlokeontheRange]

It's the same as a standard no.4 band, the forend is just cut down from a normal No.4.

[@knudge6334]

@Bloke on the Range thanks! If you're ever in the CA Bay area, let me know, we have HP matches 2x per month, Saturdays.....yes, we are still allowed for now!

[@edgarburlyman738]

Could it make an M14 (or similar) in full auto controllable? Have never been able to find a video of anyone trying.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Lolno 😅 it supports the weight of the rifle and does nothing for recoil control or muzzle flip

[@LittleRabbit1138]

There is literally no known way to make a full auto M14 controllable outside of a heavy tripod mount

[@paulfeist]

@@LittleRabbit1138 And several blocks of concrete...

[@davidmonitorfive5680]

LERA UK sniper match this month. Going to try this with my Enforcer. 👍

[@gabbarrf1745]

How many firearms can you own in Switzerland? Thought there was a limit per person.

[@BlokeontheRange]

You can own all the firearms in Switzerland. There is no limit per person.

[@LittleRabbit1138]

Been using two point slings for years on rifles, small bore, and shotguns..... It never even occured to me that there might be more than one way to tension the thing for support

[@3isr3g3n]

Rifle sling techniques can be extrapolated to photography in the field.

[@mikethomas5510]

You said you will do the single point sling. Could you show match rifle as well?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Match Rifle doesn't use slings, they either have a rest between the support hand and the ground, or lie on their backs and put the rifle on their leg.

[@mikethomas5510]

@@BlokeontheRange What music genres would they be? A comparison video may be at least vaguely interesting.

[@BlokeontheRange]

@@mikethomas5510 Already done Match Rifle in a music genre ;)

[@cedhome7945]

Target shooter version of bondage ? 😀

[@chemistrykrang8065]

Have you seen target shooting jackets? They can't pretend they're not into that.

[@minisforerbody]

Does rebuilding your position with every shot not introduce a lot of inconsistency?

[@509Gman]

Not if you practice consistently rebuilding it.

[@BlokeontheRange]

When shooting Target Rifle, not rebuilding your position each time: a) is extremely tiring. You're there for 20+ minutes. Much longer if it's 2+15 shots with 3 people per target. Try holding a rifle in the shoulder on a sling for that long. Also you're not allowed to use the magazine and have to occupy yourself with a plotting sheet and keep watching the wind. b) results in the sling and butt slipping, introducing a lot of inconsistency. Some people just put the butt down on the ground and leave the muzzle pointing upwards at an angle. Some put the entire rifle down (and don't move their elbow or anything else.

[@NAP51DMustang]

Crossover seems like a halfway point between hasty and loop

[@paulgdunsford7469]

Miss my shooting and all this new information bloody avo laws

[@janruge2433]

Als erstes sollte man der Schützengeselschaft danken. Nicht selbstverständlich das Du das tun darfst!! lG Jan

[@ryanniksch4174]

What black magic is this? Thank you

[@genegerhiser6131]

"american complicated leather slings".... as a US target rifle shooter, I resemble that remark. jk

[@509Gman]

I assume that what you’re calling a “single point sling” is what this Yank calls a “loop sling”?

[@BlokeontheRange]

They sometimes call it a "cuff sling" too. We've always just called them "single point".

[@cheesenoodles8316]

Interesting.... I know proper sling discipline can improve marksmanship..

[@michaelsliwowski5076]

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