Two Stroke Oil Test! Motul 800 Off Road

[@marktcso]

I have several hundred hours on a stock 395XP along with a 881 ported by Sean up at Maddsens. I run them on a Logosol chainsaw mill. The 800 is the oil I use. No issues with my saws

[@danielbenedict9236]

I have run the H1-R and the 800T in the past and they seem to be great oils. Glad to see your results are confirming my anecdotes. At the same time for me Saber gets the same results but for less money. Thanks for turning me on to it!

[@tylerheard1279]

I was thinking the same thing. Great results with Sabre. Are the motorcycle oils proportionally better with the price?

[@ankrapek12]

motul 800 is the best 2 stroke oil on the market for high rpm 2 strokes, motocross, kart, you name it motul is the way to go!

[@jerseyjoshua4818]

Jack from Hotsaws101 came to the same realization as you did, Motul was the only suggested oil to use.

[@richardflagg3084]

......on God's green Earth.......

[@Mr_Clean]

​​@@richardflagg3084ladies n gentlemen, boys and girls.....

[@darthtrump4428]

​@@richardflagg3084 what do you think about corosion inhibition if using race fuel as motoul 800 ? im considering buying a big jug of motoul 710 , mainly because im afraid the 800 is too much race oriented (im new when it comes to 2T oils) @jerseyjoshua4818

[@pauleurey9055]

Glad you are on the mend. The flu ran through our shop like wild fire last week. We are just up the road in Gastonia, NC. Love the oil test keep them coming, I appreciate the time you put in to them. I know Cottontop3 had a video on how he mixes, and he was using the Motul. I've been running Redarmor at 40:1 with good results, but I like how the Honda oil looked.

[@richardflagg3084]

I think the Honda oil is going to be hard to beat.

[@weofnjieofing]

Great results from the Motul 800. Very clean and great lubrication. The Bel Ray H1-R will perform well I’m sure. Can’t wait to see it run.

[@peteschiavoni]

Glad you’re feeling better Richard. That’s why I love the motorcycle oils. I think they are better. I’ve had great results using them. The 927 Castor can separate under 40 degrees. Also I’ve found you want to shake the mix more. Could just be my OCD but curious what you find. Thanks for doing these tests.

[@em4703]

This is my go-to oil for years now, no other oils that I tried kept my milling saw top end live this long, pistons seem to develop visible skirt wear/thinning after about 1500-2000 hours on the mill (ms 880), or carbon scoring on these castor oils. Ran everything 32:1, but motul offroad seems to be able to handle high temps well and it burns really clean. I run it in my 500i and 881 now, same ratio.

[@Sensei948]

33:1 is ok ?

[@em4703]

@@Sensei948 yea, its more or less the same, very small difference.

[@MrPIEKNYPAN]

Any upgrade like porting and muffler mode?

[@em4703]

@@MrPIEKNYPAN No porting. I have an aggressive muffler mod on the 500i, but none on the 881 as I want the noise to be as low as possible on those long cuts on the mill, even though I wear hearing protection.

[@Super-Dave-Outdoors]

I have run all of them in this test at 40:1. They all leave a great film. My favorite so far is Scheaffer's 7000 at 32:1. Even at 32:1 it is still pretty clean. Havent done a teardown with the 9000 yet.

[@ftlaud911]

Motu is a great brand. Not surprised by the results. I prefer Liqui Moly for all my oil needs. Run their 2T Synth motorcycle oil on my 550 MK2 since new. JASO FD and Husqvarna approved. No issues to report and hope it stays that way.

[@902hand7]

Hey Richard, another great comparison vid. A suspension test is a great idea - these motorcycle oils are so heavy & thick and you def need to agitate them good to get them into the gas - you'd think they'd fall out of suspension easily?? I always shake the heck out of my gas jug when it's been sitting a while....

[@em4703]

Had a can of gas for 2 years sitting in the corner of my shack, forgotten, with motul 800 in it. It was still mixed well as the day I made it. Gas was rancid though.

[@sdc0386]

Looks good inside, good film and super clean. Im pretty fussy with oils and 2 strokes, and i wouldnt hesitate to use this oil.

[@tughillplateau2129]

Great tests. I have tried : Royal Purple HP2C with great results Maxima K2 Really clean burning Torco GP7 , Reminds me of the Mobil MX2T Benol , For a castor oil was surprised how clean it burnt. I Mix up a gallon or 2 a year for the "aroma". I still have the 800 off road , Red Line 2 stroke racing oil , Klotz R50 , Bel RayH1R . left to burn through for my testing. Word of caution - when I filled up with bean oil juice after K2. There were snots developed in the carb screen. had to give it a quick carb spray to dissolve the boogers.

[@richardflagg3084]

Thanks for the heads up. I never would have thought that.

[@Kevin-fl4hb]

Keep everything the same and use the belray h1r for the next test. Great experiment 👍

[@russellrains4877]

I have been using Opti-2 two cycle for many years (20+ years) in my chainsaws Stihl and Weed Wackers. This stuff has never failed me. I use my saw when a tree falls or if big branches fall to clean things up around the yard (not much use). The weed wacker is always used. I just purchased an outside wood boiler so I will be using my saws a lot more now. I just bought a new MS462 non-M-tronic and I have an MS260 and An MS170. I am very mechanically inclined, and I will take the mufflers off the saws and take pictures and send them to you if you would like. I have never looked inside the motor so this will be interesting for me to see as well. Because I will be running my saws a lot more now, I want to make sure they stay together. Thanks for what you do Richard. Russell

[@Robert-uh6bx]

Up here in Canada the Stihl oil is made by castrol. That’s what I run for the last 15 years. I’ve never had any problems. My dad also runs castrol oil in all his 2 strokes and never had any problems ever either. His 1990 Husqvarna 50 special seen a lot of use over the years cutting firewood for his main source of heat and logs for cabins, even on an Alaskan mill and that saw won’t give up. With that being said my other go to oil is amsoil dominator. Used it in my Honda ATC 250R. We always just mixed 50:1. With that being said I believe castrol is a lower grade of oil and there are alot better oils out there. That’s just our experience.

[@nickcollins4268]

Ya my father always ran exclusively sithl premium since probably the 90s lol as long as I can remember. Mostly in concrete saws daily for masonry. Stihl saws would run hard for years with very little issue ( usely their own fault for not changing air filters lol) 50:1. Never considered using anything else. I chainsaw mill now and was gonna use ultra as per stihl recommendation. Now I don't know what to use lol

[@nickcollins4268]

Oh also in Canada

[@southpawsNfriends]

Motul products are top notch for sure. It's all I use in my atv, motorcycle, hell even the lawnmower gets it. Awesome video 👍👍

[@tedneitzel]

My buddy runs a motorcycle oil in his saws and everytime i cut with him i tell him damn that smells good lol! I can't remember which one so ill ask him tomorrow then on your next test ill let you know! Good stuff, thanks for sharing!

[@rudolphhessian4183]

i use Motorex 2 stroke oil fully synthetic in my ktm and stihl chainsaws weedwackers, never had a problem. Many years . Its a little pricey now, but good oil.

[@sendyplumber]

It sucks being sick eh Richard. Glad you’re doing better now and getting us guys some more content! Thanks for the time you’re putting into this oil testing! I’m most likely switching to Saber unless you think there’s a better oil to use.

[@richardflagg3084]

I'm just as curious as you. That's why I wanted to try these bike oils.

[@Okinawa1914]

​@@richardflagg3084 motul 710 2t oil ok ? 4/1 ,5/1 ?????

[@cajun3197]

Glad you’re feeling better and getting caught up

[@artpatronforever]

Noticing heat roiling off just after a high speed run can be high jet mixture set too lean. Any excess heat is not immediately lost by reduced air flow at idle. The saw needs a minute or two to cool down. It seems counter to what people would think based on richer mixture doing better in cold weather, but as hot weather arrives believing the high jet will need to be set leaner.That is how it should work based on intake air temperature, ignoring cooling. Unless the blower cooling and cooling fins are doing an extra good job so hot weather doesn't matter, the high jet could need to be set even richer in summer heat because of lost air cooling difference, to prevent cooking the saw. If a saw is tuned for maximum performance for a limited time of use for testing or racing that likely isn't the best mixture setting wanted for longevity of the engine being run longer times doing different work at routine tasks. Best mixture all round is a compromise depending on how that saw is being used. Got to tweak it.

[@permafrost8541]

i had some motul 800 in a mixed 5 gallon of 93 ethanol free and was still mixed 1 month later in a shed. oil loves wide open throttle and i get splooge out the exhaust a little due to the high flash point, this oil is a race formula and hence the black cap, motul 710 is better for all around use like in a weedeater or chainsaw and has a green color and a much lower flash point. have use both in yard equipment and 250cc 2 stroke dirtbikes.

[@96cr]

i run the klotz snowmobile oil in my chainsaws they look picture perfect inside with 5+ gallons i cut in the cold so the snowmobile oil works good year round and is FD rated its cheap if bought in a gallon

[@aaronpowell4885]

Sorry to hear you had the bug. Great to hear your all good now👍🏻 That 800 looks far and beyond acceptable! I've seen castor 927 separate from 100ll avgas as warm as upper 50's farenheit but so far haven't seen it separate before mid-upper 20's in any other fuels.

[@1u5t1n]

I can spot good oil and weight loss. Just visual habbits. Thank you for all your work.

[@radkachipcheva8875]

Another great video thanks Richard.Your videos are highly apriciated from me.God bless you greetings from Bulgaria.

[@crazyfeller5704]

Good test- thanks for doing it….👍👍 that drippy snot thing lasts for quite a while.

[@AnarchAngel1]

These moto oils are pretty impressive I have to say. I want to see the Castor 927 personally (might have missed that if you alrrady did it). I know it has a reputation for not being the best oil in cold temperatures. I'm not sure it will sway me away from Saber though. I just trust that oil through a lot of experience and it would take some drastic results to change my mindset. Sorry you've been sick Richard, we've been dealing with the same thing. It seems to just float around this time of year

[@richardflagg3084]

You haven't missed the 927. Hoping to get the Bel Ray and 927 done in the next week or so.

[@Okinawa1914]

​@@richardflagg3084 Test motul 710 4/1

[@Ancient_Iron]

I use Motul 800 (40:1) on my Stihl MS880 racer, works great!😎👌🏻 I may start using it on all my saws, altough Stihl HP Ultra has been serving well...🤔 Greetings from Finland.🇫🇮🌲🌲🌲

[@dalesteele6854]

I have been running the motul for about 6 years great oil.One of the contractors i do work for was here when I was breaking in a saw.He ask what oil i used in my saws and I told him motul.He said he thought that was what it was by the smell.He used to live in california where he raced motor cycles.The last jug i bought i think 2 liters and i gave 54.99 for it.

[@novicelumberjack]

Richard. We literally need you to spend more time describing the smell of each oil. The reality as I see it is: All of those oils are going to protect better than any of the factory chainsaw oils with the possible exception of Red Armor (but that's not really a factory oil imo). So, on a scale of 1-10, rank them by smell please. I'm not kidding. This is how important it is to me- if you tell me that the Honda oil protects as well as Red Armor and smells as good as Castor...I'm jumping ship on Red Armor and will start running Honda. Fuck cost. Gimme that sweet, sweet bean oil smell! With protection, of course.

[@richardflagg3084]

Gotcha covered.

[@waywardshed9721]

Gday, I have been running and recommending the motul 800 in builds, I have found it to be very good! I have heard about an oil called obi 2, it's mixed at 90/1. I have been meaning to give it a run. You should try it too! Have been enjoying the channel and your insights

[@kenogden7221]

Hey Richard I enjoy your videos. Most of them are very informative. When you complete your motorcycle oil’s, do you think you could run a test on OPTi 2 oil? I’ve looked, but I hadn’t been able to find one on your channel. Thanks and keep up the good work!

[@sendyplumber]

Good idea on testing Opti 2. That’s what Tinman has used for years!

[@richardflagg3084]

@@sendyplumberWhat ratio does he run it? If I'm not mistaken Opti recommends 60 or 70:1?

[@Lukedean-fl1lx]

​@richardflagg3084 hi Richard I think He uses 45 to 1 Cheers Luke

[@sendyplumber]

@@richardflagg3084I’m not sure exactly, around 50:1 atleast I would think.

[@j.7584]

I would be interested to see a video on Opti 2 as well, I’m an Amsoil Saber guy myself it’s served me well and is easy to get in my area. I know lots of guys in my area that run the Opti so I’ve always been curious as to how it runs. Thanks Richard keep up the good work

[@oldcodger1929]

I used to run the 927 in the summer but I wouldn't run it in the winter here because it gets 20plus below zero and I was afraid it would separate.

[@aaronpowell4885]

For wear protection it's a great oil IMO. But probably made the right call for those temperatures.

[@Super-Dave-Outdoors]

Castor 927 smells the best

[@RedArmor24]

Good any oils, my favorite red armor oil👍

[@dennisyoung4631]

“Mo’Tool?” Sounds Legit…

[@harryerhart5978]

Hope you feel better 😊

[@martinklacansky3537]

motul 800 is much better then all the rest of oil u used all your life mate. what took u so long to find out ?

[@user-hj4cq7xz5x]

Can you do a test on redline racing oil for us?

[@adambatchelder4121]

Motol makes good oil , ive run it in bikes for a long time. Its a little less smoke than Maxima super m.

[@TheF1shh]

I get darn near the same results/film with 50:1 and motul 800

[@ethan12313]

i also got fucken wrecked by the flu this week, still worked all week; but wouldnt recommend it. great vid as always rich.

[@retired-pipefitter]

Bottom line the motorcycle oils are better and cheaper!

[@bryanmarks4070]

Have you done the tree monkey 32:1 Schaffer’s?

[@richardflagg3084]

Yessir. Ran it for years. Great oil!

[@petershea3131]

I contacted Weisco about a piston for my 661 but I’d have to order at least $1200 worth. I want to build my 661 over the holiday. Do you have any porting tips for me. Anything I can do to it to help it out? It’s to be a work saw. Oem cylinder.

[@richardflagg3084]

Stihl left plenty to improve. You'll get decent gains how ever you plan to attack it. I've a few videos on it and shown my work. Nothing crazy just good work saws.

[@sonko2010]

Do Motul and Honda’s HP2 have the detergents that you liked in the Echo Red Armor?

[@Whateva67]

I have a question about saws and not oil, do you think an aftermarket fuel tank for an 038 magnum 2 would be any good? I’ve looked up the genuine Stihl tank and it’s 200$ Cad. The aftermarket ones are way cheaper but I want to find a good quality one if they’re out there. Thanks

[@lancestacey2360]

Thx

[@mrxlh]

All of those oils are at least double the cost of Dominator, they aren’t twice as good.

[@richardflagg3084]

What's your cost of dominator by the quart? Two of these are $20ish per qt/liter.

[@mrxlh]

@@richardflagg3084 I’m paying $13.39 a quart for Dominator delivered(preferred membership) I paid $24.99 a liter for the 2T 800 Racing from a local shop, which was cheaper than the web at $26.31

[@MrBaptiste003]

Hey Richard great video what do you think about castrol power 1 racing 2 stroke oil at 40/1 ?

[@richardflagg3084]

I'll try in the next few weeks or so. Still got a day job. Ran the 927 castor today vid coming tomorrow.

[@MrBaptiste003]

@@richardflagg3084 about 927 castor 🦫 or motul 800 of road or castrol power racing 1 at 40/100 for ms 261 cm and ms 462 cm What is the better

[@Fisheyefool15]

Would love to see you do this with klotz

[@jerradtaylor]

What your opinion on Schaefer’s supreme 9000 full synthetic? I’m a professional logger running my saws hard?

[@richardflagg3084]

I've run the 7000 at 40:1 for years. Damn fine oil. I'm sure the 9000 is too.

[@harryerhart5978]

Mc oil is better than Amsoil Saber or Shaffer oil ?? Let me know ?

[@richardflagg3084]

Workin on it

[@kbittorf335]

Nothing wrong with those oils but are difficult to obtain for a lot of people. These MC oils are readily available.

[@harryerhart5978]

Thanks l agree l never had a oil related problem in 40 years but I'm a solo operator thanks Richard

[@kyleboman6]

How does one get a hold of you to see about some work getting done on some saws. I’d be interested in my 661 getting ported

[@richardflagg3084]

I've got some catching up to do. I usually port saws locally, but after the first of the year I may change that.

[@kyleboman6]

@@richardflagg3084 k. Well I’m not sure where local is for you, but if it changes I would like to get one or more done

[@diggindiggenit6540]

Yeah this is really an interesting video, I just started getting into chainsaws and cutting and I started out with 2 cycle marine oil, quickly found out that wasn't good via videos so got rid of that, then went to stihl oil found out problems via video about that so now doing more searching for very good oil so i can buy it and be done with it, any clue as if this motul 800 would out preform marine oil? it would be nice to just buy one good oil for the saws, boat weedwacker etc I have seen peoples interest in Opti 2 but yet have found tests on video yet

[@richardflagg3084]

Try Schaeffers 7000 semi-synthetic two stroke oil. I've run it for years and it's an excellent oil. Burns clean, good oil film and it's made for boats (and works great in air cooled engines like our chainsaws. As far as the Opti 2, I wouldn't. They don't use very good base oil for one, and to get the film strength up they use additives.

[@diggindiggenit6540]

@@richardflagg3084 tks yeah I am running older saws and new at all this so it is important i start with good oil for the 051's and 041's

[@shanepipkin4041]

my oil here its great

[@guesswho6902]

can i put motul 800 in my yamaha mbk nitro 2012 model? the speed of my motorcycle is 50max?

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Depends on the power and in it.

[@jeffclark2253]

Appreciate the test but i have worked on OPE and 2 stroke motor cycles for years. jap 2 stroke bikes have been gone 17 years. kTM Husky GasGas and Beta are still making them. New 2 Stroke bike start at $7500 and probably go to $11,000 so the motorcycle oil makers do not skimp on oil. I would say the worst motorcycle oil made in the late 80’s are way better than any oil the OPE people have bottled. They make OPE not oil. Keep testing and you will see exactly what i am talking about. Way more than a piston and cylinder on a 2 stroke bike like power valves in the exhaust port with 8 plus moving parts to make them work that has to get oiled in really high exhaust temps and still get lubed and not gum up. Really the motor cycle oil is way over kill for a blower, trimmer or Saw.

[@mattschmitt4038]

Yamaha and others are making two stroke bikes again just an fyi.

[@jeffclark2253]

Sa@@mattschmitt4038

[@jeffclark2253]

Same stuff they made in 2006 in newer frames @@mattschmitt4038

[@jeffclark2253]

Kawasaki has a couple also. @@mattschmitt4038

[@u.e.u.e.]

There are different kinds of "Motul 800".

[@garengtutorial8923]

Oke bro kerenn

[@Sensei948]

33:1 oil mix i ok ?

[@richardflagg3084]

yes

[@Sensei948]

@@richardflagg3084 ls + Husqvarna

[@Ifeelgreyt1738]

Is this good for a Yamaha yz125?

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Yes. Very good. 40-45:1.

[@davidcarper5411]

Pj1 goldfire pro at 40:1

[@elespe8167]

Oh, the flu😓

[@richardflagg3084]

Lol! Not that bad

[@robertocasavecchia9179]

Meglio il morul 710 ho nel mio canale il video che lo dimostra

[@erikhayrapetov5177]

Hay scaeffers 9000 ok ❤ honda hp 2 ok

[@richardflagg3084]

Yes to both.

[@erikhayrapetov5177]

@@richardflagg3084 я ползваеус мс 440 hp super germny armenian no oils scaefers 9000 ok 40:1 ок

[@doglegjake6788]

Awesome information