Two Views of History, But Only ONE is TRUE!

[@_shabah_]

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[@aussieblue7132]

AMEN AMEN 👍

[@shdwbnndbyyt]

Essentially two competing religions... One based on God with meaning and one based on the futility of existence for those who hold to it.

[@statutesofthelord]

I make that point often too. The Evolutionist says he will go back to dust and that's it. Whether his view is true, or false, that's all he's going to have, whereas the believer and follow of Jesus as the Son of God will have eternal life in glory if he is right.

[@HarryHafsak]

@@statutesofthelordthere’s literally nothing to lose but EVERYTHING to gain is how I explained it to my brother. if I am right, I receive a chance at eternal life, if I’m wrong and he is correct, I will return to the dust living to be the best human I can possibly be.

[@roydodds3693]

So very human to need "meaning" to life. As a happy, contented and life enriched Atheist, I have a wonderful meaningful life, without any made up deity holding my hand. Enjoy life for what it is, accept it ends, and rejoice in the opportunity you have to experience the most amazing universe since the big bang.

[@Patriot218S]

@@roydodds3693 In order for there to be an honest discussion of evolution, we must assume there was a time when absolutely nothing existed. If we start by assuming that, in the beginning, something existed, then we need to explain how that something came to be. Otherwise, we have not explained anything. Who, or what, created that something? That assumes a creator who created some-thing. And whoever or whatever created that something must be, at least, some kind of god. And that god, whatever he may be, must be eternal, or else, we are still faced with the question of where did he come from? Who or what created him? So the fantasy of evolution falls apart before we can ever state the premise. What was it that evolved to form that first particle of something that is the origin of everything that exists-and how did that original something come to be? The humble, Bible-believing child of God believes in an almighty, eternal God who created all things by the Word of his power. I am not sure that anybody who believes in the creative power of nothing is the sharpest knife in the box - regardless of how many initials he has after his name.

[@roydodds3693]

@@Patriot218S don't follow the logic? Evolution (biology) has nothing to do with the existence or otherwise of (I'm assuming you mean) matter which is cosmology.

[@TJforChrist]

Yes! One story is true and that would be the Bible story.

[@TodorescuProgramming]

read the Bible first if you really wanna know the truth one is man's word, the other is God's word, if you want to opose God it won't end well for you, repent of your sin and ask forgiveness, our God is an all powerful loving God

[@TJforChrist]

@@TodorescuProgramming Amen

[@critical-thought]

Simple to complex cosmology ignores entropy. Even the secular creation story (big bang) can’t overcome it.

[@jacob.tudragens]

Being a believer is a win-win! If I am right, I gain everything. If I am wrong, I lose nothing. If 'they' are right, 'they' gain nothing. If 'they' are wrong, 'they' lose everything.

[@bookofrevelation4924]

Purpose of human life is to create z vessel for God's Holy Spirit to dwell with, then upon, then within. Evolution replaces this with nothingness other than fleshly pleasures.

[@Shabeck100]

Thank you, God, for Your clear revelation in Holy Scripture & in the Person & work of Your Son, Jesus Christ. Yes, creation makes it clear that it didn't make itself & that there is an Absolute Person(s) behind it all. But only Your Word gives us the clarity to know our origins & purpose, & then how we are redeemed by You in the midst of an evil/broken world. You are so good...

[@beestoe993]

Intelligent design vs intelligence deniers

[@Nils-gi5bv]

And who wins?

[@beestoe993]

@@Nils-gi5bv Let me put it this way, you will never convince me that the first life cell magically manifested itself in a mud puddle for no reason at all.

[@Nils-gi5bv]

@@beestoe993 I can accept that. We don't know much about abiogenesis. But evolution “only” deals with the development of already existing living beings anyway.

[@beestoe993]

@@Nils-gi5bv All based on a book called The Origin of Species that reveals nothing about our actual origin.

[@Nils-gi5bv]

@@beestoe993 That's right. This book by Darwin is not about the origin of man, but provides the first plausible ideas about the higher development of living beings (and thus ultimately also for that of man). His ideas were still incomplete and partly erroneous, which is due to the lack of scientific knowledge about 160 years ago. Nevertheless, Darwin's approach is fundamentally correct. And we know far more today than Darwin could ever have dreamed of. This is why it has been called the theory of evolution since decades and not just a hypothesis or even an idea. Meanwhile it´s one of the fundments of modern biology.

[@IAMhassentyou]

Amen 🙏

[@MarcelinhoTheRock]

great man of God, dr. Paul Nelson, i remember him since the historical 2008 event in Brasil: Darwinism Today, where he had a brillant talk

[@Stephan-ix8me]

I googled him and this is the first thing that showed up "Paul A. Nelson (born 1958) is an American philosopher, noted for his advocacy of the pseudosciences of young earth creationism and intelligent design."

[@MarcelinhoTheRock]

@@Stephan-ix8me nobody discusses what is science with Stephen Meyer, because they will be oblitered, but they use their influence to write these nonsense in Wikipedia.

[@rubiks6]

@@Stephan-ix8me - Google leans heavily toward atheism. Now you know.

[@stevendelucas6311]

@@rubiks6 I too think that creationism is pseudoscience.

[@rubiks6]

@@stevendelucas6311 - The Creator of the universe says otherwise.

[@research903]

Yahweh is not just a "witness" of those events, He is the ACTOR or PERPETRATOR of those events and the Holy Scriptures are a record of His confession, as it were.

[@JohnGrillo-r6n]

The "Historical Genesis View" or paradigm is more logical or rational to me. Dr. Nelson presents a good convincing or persuasive presentation that to me is really a case for (what I believe and endorse) as "Intelligent Design" and its Originator The Transcendent/Immanent Creator (or GOD). Consciousness, Intent, Purpose, Thinking, Design and Will, all imply and strongly suggest INTELLIGENCE; whereas the "Conventional Paradigm" used by many scientists to govern laws in physics, chemistry, and biology are random or chance forces (erroneously argued to support Darwin's evolution and hence deny the existence of an Intelligent Designer or GOD); as this is a "blind, undirected process, without either plan or purpose." and which is NOT supported by the laws of mathematical probability; that atheists, agnostics, skeptics, and evolutionists advertenly or inadvertently use, that is, random forces and/or chance to support their unlikely views on the origins of life and the universe.

[@dianesoper708]

I would like them to prove the globe. And the firmament

[@rubiks6]

So what do I say to the man who calls himself a Christian, is heavily involved in his church, but is a naturalist, an evolutionist, a Ph.Ded anthropologist university professor who believes God used the "conventional" paradigm to create and conduct history?

[@paulward2076]

First of all, be reasonable, calm and kind and then ask how he can reconcile his scientific beliefs about creation etc with the Bible and how he calls himself a Christian. If he is a thoughtful and reasonable person, he will put care and thought into his response. It may also put seeds of doubt in his mind about his current belief structure.

[@statutesofthelord]

If everyone kept the one commandment that God specifically said to "Remember", there would not be any Evolutionists. Sadly, even most Christians forget to keep that commandment.

[@rubiks6]

@@statutesofthelord - I have quoted Exodus 20.11 (for those who don't know what this poster is referring to) many times, even reminding him that it was written with God's own hand, but he has invented many reasons to reject the Bible.

[@edisontrent618]

@@rubiks6 Always keep in mind that wide is the path to destruction and narrow the way to salvation. There will always be those rejecting God and His Word until the very last day. Just as reaching people is important, it is also important to know when to "shake the dust from your sandals" and move on as well. Those that put their absolute faith in earthly reasoning can't also put their faith in God, by definition.

[@jacob.tudragens]

A man can not be a Christian and say God lied. Calling God a liar is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit!

[@roydodds3693]

One evidence-based and one fiction-based. I can't believe in the 21st Century we're even having this conversation! Demons, mythical beasts, supernatural beings - why not elves and unicorns? The evidence is all around us, you just have to accept what is real, and leave the comfort of fairy tales behind.

[@statutesofthelord]

You are right, roy. Fairy tales dreamed up by God-haters in the 19th century need to be ditched by modern humans in the 21st.

[@jwsanders1214]

The evidence is being played out before you . The Bible is more than the Creation . The Bible explains the present and the Future . And the Salvation of the world The evidence that the Bible is true is The Nation of Israel . Israel didnt exist for 2000 years , but the Bible tells us that Israel will be the epicenter of world events in the Last Days

[@ben91069]

Dying is real too, so the closer you get to it, maybe you should reconsider your beliefs for your own sake. Think about it, just like M&M sings, you have one shot, one chance, to make or break.

[@roydodds3693]

@@ben91069 good gracious Ben, how old are you? I'm sorry to give it to you straight, but whilst you might be able to dodge taxes, you won't dodge death. Live life to the full, but accept we all die. I died for half an hour following a cardiac arrest, but survived. Death holds no fears for me, and I don't need a fairy tale to hold my hand. I guess fear of death and the desire to endure is behind most religions, but it's wishful thinking at it's worst. It will certainly be long after my lifetime that humanity matures enough to accept it's mortality, I certainly won't waste my life believing in fairy tales. The real world is amazing enough.

[@statutesofthelord]

@@roydodds3693 roy, John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

[@Druncan.Tusslle]

Plebs.

[@KatyWantsToGo]

You start the show with a false dichotomy????

[@Chazd1949]

BINGO !!! You beat me to it. It seems that many people who align with the YEC view are not really seeking good answers to how Christianity and science can both be true. Cherry-picking, confirmation bias, and other logical fallacies can be found throughout their writings and lectures. This doesn't mean they are not good Christians, nor does it question their sincerity, but when they become so dogmatic as to denounce other Christians calling them "compromisers," "heretics," and "false prophets," for believing that science clearly shows the universe to be billions of years old, as Ken Ham and some of his associates have done, then I believe the YEC advocates are not helping the church or the cause of Christ. The age of the universe should not define us or divide us as followers of Christ. In this age of atheistic hedonism, we need to embrace one another, recognizing that we hold various interpretations of Scripture while trying to be a light in a dark world. I hope some YEC brother who is on the fence will consider the position of another apologetics organization called Reasons to Believe, founded by astrophysicist, Hugh Ross and now led by biochemist Fazalla Rana. They have a website and a KZbin channel by the same name.

[@TearDownThisWall]

No, they didn't start the show with a false dichotomy.

[@MyChihuahua]

Both are false religious views and do not agree with Scripture. Earth is described as an enclosed plane where luminaries contained in the firmament above move in their ordinances to mark time. There is no 'water ball', galaxies, 'outer space', solar systems', etc. Not according to Scripture.

[@avgejoeschmoe2027]

Those are human descriptions....waters dont always mean H2O. Imagine a 3rd heaven , outside of time and matter as we know it, a different realm. The God creates the realm matter we are in It could describe a vast creation of disorganized matter first, that God then brings together into organized matter.

[@MyChihuahua]

@@avgejoeschmoe2027 It was written for human understanding. And, everything else you said makes absolutely no sense and again, it's not what Scripture says.

[@TheTibetyak]

@@MyChihuahua Where in the scripture does it say what you see is all there is? Where does it say in the Bible that galaxies and solar systems do NOT exist. Adam did not name the planets or the stars. Adam did not name all the microscopic parts of the world. God did not mention the world of molecular structures. How big is that "enclosed plane where luminaries contained in the firmament above"? How big is your God?

[@MyChihuahua]

Guess it depends on how you read it and whether you wanna add or take away.

[@TheTibetyak]

@@MyChihuahua Wait a minute. Your words: "the scripture says". I asked, "How big is that "enclosed plane where luminaries contained in the firmament above""? I'm simply asking you, what is the answer? The Bible didn't state the words, "solar system" or "galaxy" so you claim they don't exist? Please note, I'm not here Bible bashing or claiming inauthenticity. Even the Apostle Paul used logic to speak with the Pharisees. I know exactly what you mean about "adding to" or "taking away" from scripture. That is an insinuation of heresy. I'm respectfully asking that you reply to some specific but easy questions.