An Almost Perfect, Inexpensive Jet - NEW FMS F-16 64mm

[@flyandplayAUSTRALIA]

Love how you went crazy full bore after you removed the gear! Those front flips made the jet almost look like a 3D plane! The trees definitely add to the excitement. Was on the edge of my seat watching those manoeuvres. Sick video Jon! And kudos to wifey filming and keeping up with the jet with you flying crazy.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Haha, thanks man! Happy to hear you're enjoying what we do.

[@HarryBunnGRVOTV]

I bought this on your recommendation, no gyro, no wheels, rear c of g, maxed out elevator & omg! I was expecting good but it’s such great fun, even the sound is fantastic. Low high alpha across the strip and as i go past myself turn away and nail the throttle & it howls beautifully. Love it. It hand launches hands free so ditch those wheels.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Happy to hear that! It definitely benefits from a gyro the further back you move the CG - but if you're enjoying it without one, keep at it!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

@ 18:18 - NICE CATCH!!!! Love this plane, and FMS did a nice job!

[@looneytunes47]

To everyone that gets this jet watch your elevator hing points by the control arms i had mine depart on both sides after just a few mild flights on it. There is alot of stress in that area for a pinched hinge arrangement so either install some nylon hinges or reinforce them with which ever method you prefer. Fantastic jet and is way better than i expected it to be.

[@biggnasty989]

I dove headfirst into this hobby because of you, starting with the F-35, setting it up and rewiring it just like you did. Sure, I crashed when I attempted some wild maneuvers, but I've rebuilt the jet, and now I can't get enough of flying. What isn't often mentioned is the challenge of using OpenTX (TX16s) compared to Spektrum. I've toughened up by teaching myself, and it's been intense. I thoroughly enjoy mixing, linking throttle gains and gear. It's tough to match what you do. But after nearly a month in this hobby, I feel like I'm hooked for life. I was considering the Freewing F-16 to complement my F-35, but the lighting on this one might just tip the scales. However, I'm not a fan of the vertical stabilizer's construction.

[@TwoBrosRC]

You should totally hop on Discord with us, man! bit.ly/TBRCDiscord - we'd love to see vids of you pushing yourself. That said, the vstab on this jet isn't ideal, but most jets at this size require you to glue in the stabilizer. Not a fan of it, but physical realities of scale model construction will always take precedence over what we personally prefer.

[@biggnasty989]

@@TwoBrosRC Joined!

[@tonyyimbo]

Same here , it was the slow shorts of high alphas over water

[@biggnasty989]

@@tonyyimbo This guy could sell an ice cube to an Eskimo. I was on the fence for over a decade, and took the leap watching his F35 videos.

[@AL-RCjunkie]

I love watching reviewers have fun while running these rc planes through their paces. Thanks, Jon and Jon's wife for some fun flight footage 👍

[@airhammer6203]

Hilariously fun little F-16!! Good stuff FMS Great flying Jon. I hope FMS gives the 64mm F-15 rudder control.

[@TwoBrosRC]

That would be fantastic if they did!

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Fun Jet, and I KNEW you would set it up to high alpha like a big dog! Nice!

[@AL-RCjunkie]

Adam! What up?!? 😊👍

[@TwoBrosRC]

Always!

[@RaGeRC]

Didn't think I'd be buying another 64mm 4s jet but I think Im gonna have to get this one. It looks pretty dang cool!

[@erikshute7153]

Great review Jon! You are my go to these days for reviews keep up the great content!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Happy to hear that, Erik!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

@ 3:03 - AWESOME!!!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Right?

[@mithrandir1313]

good quality review!! thanks!! Well Done!

[@ficosk8]

Wow I was waiting for this since a friend has the small Freewing and she flies great, looking forward for this video :))

[@timriecken5453]

I really know nothing about rc planes but I've become obsessed. I really want to get in to it. I've looked at a bunch of little beginner planes to get and they are on my christmas list 😊 I'm a long way off from flying any EDF jets but that's what I'm striving for. I want to be able to so exactly what u just did with this awesome F16 ❤ Thanks for the vid!

[@BrianTurner-ub2tu]

Heck yea! looking forward to getting my first Scaleish Jet!

[@stewjade]

Oh so close to ordering one but got way too many planes already. Greatest review out there by far. Love your work and top marks to your camera lady. Stew J.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Good thing it's small and can be disassembled into storage pretty easily!

[@timriecken5453]

I just gotta say after my last comment.... bro.. I just strive to be a pilot like u! #amazing

[@looneytunes47]

i feel this jet really benefits from having and using a gyro in it to keep it nice and stable at slower speeds.

[@larrycung9131]

I really wish I had more RC flying experience to fly this. I'm still learning with my Ranger.

[@TwoBrosRC]

You'll get there!

[@jeremyduff9313]

Awesome flying! I have the 70 eflite and its probably my favorite jet. I definitely can't make it do what you did with the 64.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Sure you can! It's just practice. 👀

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

You know it's a good jet when Jon starts yelling 😅 good stuff man

[@edwardranno7119]

Cool looking jet!😊

[@Munchymonke]

Wow

[@RC-HouseHold6]

Ordered one!

[@PropplaneRC]

I need one !

[@stephanelst]

nice flying !!! please can you give your opinion if this is ok for beginner jet with landin gear on .Thanks for your content loving it .

[@TwoBrosRC]

Definitely not. Try something like the E-flite Habu 70mm instead.

[@AdamDemas]

@17:22 Would you really give the landing gear a 4/5? I was thinking you would have put it at a 2/5 the way you showed it in the beginning

[@TwoBrosRC]

Gotta go by the metrics, not personal feelings about how loud something is. The Landing Gear chapter explains why it got the score it did.

[@ficosk8]

Super video and review! I already ordered mine last week also in this sheme to be more colorfull. I also don´t like that plain white foam. It looks too cheap, so I was about to get the gray one. But the eagle on the bottom looks nice. Super cool watching the differences between with and w/o landing gear. As we have grass I´ll go without. It will be my F-16 training model so I think I´ll get the ventral fins off also. Is that OK? I would have flown without gyro but I´ll better put one reflex V3 I have sitting for weeks better. Or an AR631 that I would need to configure and I haven´t done that yet. Super and thanks!!

[@TwoBrosRC]

We landed it several times with gear removed, definitely had no issues with the ventral fins - just don't slam it into the ground and it should be totally OK! The AR631 is a better choice. Hop on Discord with us via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord and ask for help with setting it up in #tech-and-setup!

[@Henrusin]

Is it possible to install the reflex v2 or reflex v3 gyro in this one? I mean is there already this plane available in the v2 software or the v3 app? Thank u!

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's possible, but we don't use Reflex - can't help ya there.

[@kianwong4625]

Hi john -I’m venturing int small edf jets now. Im torn between this f-16 or the futura 64mm .. any thoughts? Thanks K

[@TwoBrosRC]

Neither, you're better off starting with something like the E-flite Habu series.

[@kianwong4625]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks john. My aim is to fly like you. How about the habu SS 50mm as a close second to the habu STS trainer 70mm

[@TwoBrosRC]

The Habu 70 is a better choice in our view. You can use this link ( alnk.to/5Fbhf5T ) to pick one up at no additional cost to support what we do, and join up on Discord via discord.gg/twobrosrc for help!

[@rodeopilot7495]

Great review, one question: how do you get your pack voltage on the main screen of the ix-20?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's easier to ask on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord - pop that question in the #tech-and-setup channel!

[@BrianTurner-ub2tu]

Do you think you can fit the 64mm Free 6s setup in this F-16? W/ a 1800 6s battery.

[@TwoBrosRC]

No idea, but probably. Though that would come at the consequence of nose heaviness and added wing loading. Not really our style, but most likely something you could do.

[@kianwong4625]

Wow John. Thats an amazing jet for the price. Incredibly agile, of course piloted by you. Doe this run the new v3 reflex gyro, as i am not that familiar with forward programming the AR630.. cheers

[@TwoBrosRC]

Ours didn't come with Reflex. Our community can help you learn how to program a receiver if you'd like to join our Discord server! bit.ly/TBRCDiscord

[@kianwong4625]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks ill take a look -great review -I’m very tempted to buy.

[@kianwong4625]

I have been flying the arrows 50mm bae hawk jet, and practicing jets on the simulator. Im torn between the fms 70mm viper/ fms 64mm f-16 and the fms 80mm BAE hawk? Any thoughts for best fun and ease of flight? Cheers John.

[@TwoBrosRC]

The FMS Viper 70 is a solid choice for a trainer jet - not a beginner jet. It'll teach you how to fly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boHdfGOVbN2SorM

[@kianwong4625]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks john - your videos are so much fun to view.

[@windscreenrepairmanrich5528]

Hi John! Two questions. First is this as easy as rafale 64mm to high alpha? Also for longer weedy grass is there more to dig in/damage on belly landings?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Yes, and the nose cone and wingtip rails will be the most likely damage scenarios if you're trying to land with wheels on grass.

[@derekc6425]

Nice video buddy! How do I compare this with the Freewing F14 Tomcat 64mm? I'm new to RC jets. Which one between the both will be more durable and easy to fly? Thanks! 😊

[@TwoBrosRC]

This one is far easier to fly than the Tomcat is for any skill level.

[@matthewmorrissey2568]

Would you say this is pretty similar to the fms F16 70mm for half the price? Which one would you recommend?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's basically the same jet sans retractable gear and 4s compatibility.

[@mattcook5302]

Crazy!

[@Fridolin23]

Great video of a lovely little jet! Thanks for the brilliant review! I'm wondering about how long the flight time with a standard 4s 2200mAh pack would be. If I understood it correctly you used a 2400mAh HV pack and got up to 5:41 minutes out of it, which is incredible! I'm tempted to get a gray one 😅 Unfortunately HV packs are quite tricky to get over here. Cheers Jannick

[@TwoBrosRC]

Hey man! You'd probably get close to four minutes.

[@Fridolin23]

Sounds good to me! Thanks a lot Jon

[@xdravex11]

Hi buddy, great video! I'm planning to get my first RC jet. I saw the Freewing F14 Tomcat 64mm. Which one would u recommend versus the FMS F16? (i.e. plane handling, ease of parts replacements & etc). Which is a better brand FMS vs Freewing? Are both brands locally made? Sorry I'm totally new to the RC planes scene. Thanks for the advice!😊

[@TwoBrosRC]

Almost everything is made in China. The F-16 is a much easier jet to fly. Don't get the F-14 until you've learned how to fly expert-level aircraft.

[@xdravex11]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks for the advice! 👍🤩

[@nirlachman007]

Great video Jon!! Where is your CG at?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Isn't it demoed in the vid? It should be!

[@nirlachman007]

@@TwoBrosRC yup, it is :) I mean mm wise but never mind I’ll can get to it from the video 😉

[@TwoBrosRC]

Sorry yeah, we generally don't use a ruler for that!

[@CentralRC24]

You should review the free wing L-15/J-10 64mm 6s, I own one and it is my favorite model near 1:1 twr and can do a lot of stunts it is a great jet, I would love to see a review over it from you.

[@TwoBrosRC]

When we've got money to spend on it, sure, that'll be something to consider!

[@redwineisfine]

6s upgrade worth it?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Probably not, at least not in our view.

[@redwineisfine]

@TwoBrosRC power to weight not enough to justify the extra wing load?

[@TwoBrosRC]

The power to weight would be insanely high, but it's already got a ton of T/W ratio with the gear removed. Just seems kinda pointless

[@andybest2409]

What receiver are you using?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's under "Equipment used" in the description!

[@papapsadventures6119]

Grass landings are out of the question then?

[@TwoBrosRC]

With wheels, probably, unless it's very manicured grass. Did you miss the grass belly landing?

[@cruzzer1500]

What wheels do you suggest for this to be perfect ?

[@TwoBrosRC]

The E-flite Viper 70mm wheels mentioned in the vid will be a drop-in replacement: alnk.to/6IF4kna

[@kyurise6685]

Hello there! Love the video. May i know what is the materials of the plane used? Is it plastic or styrofoam or different kind of foam?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's EPO foam.

[@kyurise6685]

@@TwoBrosRC the whole chasis including the fuselage and wings? Alright thanks !

[@ShockeWulf190]

HAHA YESS I NEED IT

[@acf951]

The only thing holding me back from getting it are retracts. Looking at the E-flite F-16 but it's more expensive.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Retracts are heavy. It'll perform way worse with them.

[@jeremyduff9313]

How many years have you been flying?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Since August of 2020.

[@VinnyM.92]

Discount code didn’t work at checkout but all good! I am excited to get this plane either way!

[@TwoBrosRC]

That's unfortunate. We'll need to get with FMS and figure out what's going on there. Appreciate ya supporting us!

[@VinnyM.92]

@@TwoBrosRC no worries at all, thanks for a great review/video

[@Estuardomendez13]

i wonder if the 70mm 6s will fly the same if i take the retracts off XD

[@TwoBrosRC]

Might be similar!

[@DownNDirtyRc]

I think I'm going to get one and toss my freewing 6s setup in it.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Be wary of 6 cell setups on jets designed for 4 cell weight - it won't be as forgiving in stalls, and it'll get into stalls at higher airspeeds than a 4 cell setup will. You'll certainly get more thrust, but it comes at the cost of aerodynamic performance.

[@FoolSendRC]

is this plane capable of knife edge flight?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's in the video lol

[@FoolSendRC]

@TwoBrosRC got it, will watch the video again 👍

[@modelaircraft6576]

I wish it had full size elevators

[@TwoBrosRC]

Full flying stabilators would be quite nice.

[@Kbeezzy23]

The codes not working!! Ahhhh

[@TwoBrosRC]

Yeah, that's on us. Jon forgot that the 5% off code only works after a new model has been out for a bit. FMS changed the way the codes worked a couple of times and threw us for a loop. Sorry about that!

[@kianwong4625]

Or maybe the new e flite 64mm viper?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Definitely not.

[@rungy8214]

I don't mind unpainted foam. Paint is HEAVY...and every gram matters with RC Jets. Would you cut your battery size in half for white paint? I would NOT.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Paint isn't so heavy that a battery reduction would be needed.

[@rungy8214]

@@TwoBrosRC ok so then give this plane a 10 out of 5 for agility, because you gave 5 to another plane that is not in the neighborhood of this remarkable jet! John, seriously...you have the BEST RC reviews/footage ! Subscribed and lovin' ALL of it!

[@kennyjohnson3837]

Yes, the landing noise in electric planes is almost unbearable

[@cbyrd4423]

The discount code does not work.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Yeah we totally forgot that it doesn't work for new releases. It will eventually work. Sorry, our bad on that one. 😢

[@xdravex11]

Luv your reviews buddy! I'm getting my son his first RC jet this week. In your option is this eaiser to fly for a beginner versus this F16 80mm which u reviewed a year ago 👉kzbin.info/www/bejne/roPdc4aHbq-Ch6Msi=w0ho-Tf6xTHi-eQa Thanks for your advice!😊

[@TwoBrosRC]

The 64mm is a much easier jet to fly - don't try the 80 as a new pilot.

[@xdravex11]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks bud for the heads up! 💪😊Which radio would u recommend that is inexpensive without breaking the bank for a beginner pilot and also allows to work on more complex planes like the Freewing F14 64mm Tomcat & newly released F16 V2 90mm? Thanks!!! 🙏

[@TwoBrosRC]

We usually recommend the Spektrum NX8+ - it's 20 channels, has a knob for tuning gains in the air on the gyro, and allows you to work with any BnF airplane from Horizon: bit.ly/NX8Plus If you need help using it, join us on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord and ask for assistance in the #tech-and-setup channel!

[@SMModels1200]

Why are you flying with a gyro, good airplanes and experts don't need a gyro 😂

[@TwoBrosRC]

Not sure if serious.

[@biggnasty989]

A gyro will have someone like me who's been in the hobby for less than a month do things that you would maybe end up crashing doing with the aft CG. I don't have a reputation to maintain here, so I'm going to tell it like it is. Nobody cares if Mr Old and Crusty (YOU) flies with or without a gyro. You asked for the smoke bro, I mean Old and Crusty.

[@SMModels1200]

Ok, sure I understand. I know why the gyro manufacturers offer this. The point is that any test of a model with a gyro is strongly influenced by the actual gyro and is not completely objective. What the model itself really is. The test tells mainly about the quality and settings of the gyro.

[@windscreenrepairmanrich5528]

Jon I now fly on my own because most of 'The flying clubs here in the uk have at least one old crusty that ruins the fun and gyro technology.

[@rungy8214]

Re-watching this vid 10 times a day for the past two weeks. In Top Gun 2 Phoenix said it's not the plane it's the pilot. In this vid it is the plane AND the pilot. I have searched all over you-tube and NEVER found more aggressive high speed maneuvering than in this vid. The F22 might turn sharper, but sacrifices all of its energy (not at this speed) I want a follow up that demos Flat Scissors, Rolling Scissors, High Yo Yo, Low Yo Yo, Lag Rolls, Barrel Rolls, Splits, Slice Backs, Pitch Backs, and Descending Spirals as seen here... kzbin.info/aero/PLnyigzFtHeNr9zTkpxyD0ksFD3CwLa2UE

[@TwoBrosRC]

No way you're watching us that much! That's awesome, man. Happy to hear you're enjoying the content!

[@rungy8214]

@@TwoBrosRC 9:30 to 15:20...Holy F... RC 4Ever? Slow floaty cheezwiz...as are sooo many others....call me a liar! There are no vids on youtube that are even close...like Wes F16 is not even close. Seriously SEARCH...you will not find. 999 out of 1000 others..."Hey, watch me fly in a straight line a billion feet in the air! Tee hee hee!"

[@rungy8214]

@@TwoBrosRC you're turn rates are matched up and slightly faster than Markus Rummer AKA "Dr. Low" kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioaTiKCkfKt-Y9U