Is a Spindle Needed on a Hobbyist CNC?

[@MillertimeTV]

Really appreciate your honesty that a lot of these upgrades don’t improve things that much.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

It’s a great upgrade but it’s not gonna blow your socks off lol I would definitely recommend one if it’s in the budget it does make for a nicer experience.

[@raymondreyes4244]

A word of advice on loosening socket head cap screws, use short hex bits with a ratchet rather than allen wrenches. Also, on the VFD you can change the ramp up speed so it doesn't take long, if it bothers you, but it's best if you leave a good ramp to protect your electronics and equipment.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for the tips!

[@jameshollingsworth4714]

Enjoyed your direct, clear, brief explanations. All meat, no fluff. Thanks

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thank you 🙌🏼

[@Kathyoftheglade]

i just have a 4040 pro genmitsu. the best thing i did for it was put a 800watt water cooled spindle. i love it. you can barely hear it run till she tears into the work.

[@Phsteddie]

Liked your video. It was honest and straightforward. Your advise to just get the 1.5kw spindle was spot on. I have one in an X-Carve. To me the spindle is dangerously quiet when you have the vacuum running. Several times I mentally blocked out the quiet drone of the spindle and not noticed it was running. I mounted the spindle controller at eye level so that I can now see the speed display. Also the bearings on these are way, way better and rigidly secured than the bearings on a router. You didn’t mention that. Of course this would be more important if doing plastics or aluminum parts.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for the input! Yeah several other mentioned that as well, I’m not familiar with all the little details yet!

[@davesdrone3125]

@8:20 PD144 Should be set at 3000 for the base 50hz. 50hz for every 3000 RPM will get you your 24,000 RPM at 400 hz. Minus some drop off... Much closer than the 11,300ish reading right out of the factory. Note, the RPMs dont change, just the reading.

[@Vintauri]

I'm in the same boat where I purchased the Spindle about 6 months ago but have not installed it yet. I got it wired up on the bench so now I just need to get things routed on my machine and get it running.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Life gets in the way of a lot of things 😆 especially when those things get buried under a workbench

[@RapidChangeATC]

Soon you will be able to add automatic tool change to your table using your current VFD spindle at a fraction of the cost of an ATC spindle the Rapid Change tool racks will begin shipping July 4th 2023 if your interested I will get you one for review...

[@houstonfirefox]

Appreciate the honest review! Was looking at these low cost spindles and was wondering if they could get the job done. Thanks for the video!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Good luck!

[@anthonylomastro9341]

I ordered my Onefinity because of you guys!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

That’s awesome! Hope it treats you as well as ours has 🙌🏼

[@mattivirta]

onefinity have ower price expensive, all same can build at home 50$ cheapen. my cnc have lot better rails and ballscrews and cost less than 1000$ i not has upgrade spindle yet biggest, cost too much 400$ i use good my wood work only 800W air cool, maybe someday can buy 1,5KW water cool. but have out of hobby user budget buy big spindle.

[@rcarroll05]

I have a Fein for dust collection. If you add a dust deputy to it then minimal bag changes.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I just got a mullet! Which is the same thing I believe, I’m excited to try it out

[@nickbakic7880]

Excellent video thank you for putting this together - saved me the headache of considering a spindle!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for watching! 🙌🏼

[@dennistaylor7655]

Really enjoyed your video, especially when you shared what you would do differently if you were to do it again.

[@WoodomainJeremyBroun]

You asked why one needs a spindle. I am fitting a 2.2kw water cooled spindle because it is quiter than a router, the half inch collet allows me to use a vast range of big cutters I have that increase the creativity of cnc routing and bypassing time-consuming programming for some operations. (See my book 'The Incredible Router'.) One problem with this heavy spindle is it dropping when powered off?

[@BruceAUlrich]

Thanks for sharing your experience with this upgrade!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for stopping by Bruce!

[@amsteelleoverland8381]

Using your Link for PWN cnc spindle! Thanks for the share

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for watching, appreciate it!

[@saltymax1829]

Great video! On the Allen bolts, next time you run into a problem like that, try heating them up a bit with a blowtorch. It could be they used Loctite so the bolts won't come loose.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

That’s what I did! Lol I was just afraid to heat up the Cnc parts 🤷🏼‍♂️ WD 40 didn’t do anything than after some frustrating I just torched it little by little until it came loose

[@redherring5532]

@@TwoMooseDesign replace your wd40 for Super Lube with Syncopen, it's a solvent that leaves behind actual lubricant.👍

[@pauls.5815]

You can use a PC water cooling system for this as well. EK pump and reservoir with a 240mm radiator.

[@billfoley891]

Hey man. Great video and super helpful. I have an Elite Foreman coming in a few weeks and am trying to decide the spindle (pwnCNC vs. Huanyang, water vs air, ha ha!). Please tell me more about the signal cable you soldered, as that doesn't appear to be included in the Huanyang kit. 4 solder connections per end, right? What kind of (assumed shielded) cable and where did you buy it? Thanks, my friend. Keep up the good work.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Hey! Pwn is the way to go if you have the budget, plug it in and you’re done. Hy is fine I don’t have any issues with mine but expect a bit of set up, as for the cable I don’t exactly remember what one I went with but it was not included. The air cooled is plenty fine. The water is just one more thing to mess with and unless you plan on running it non stop all day it’s kind of overkill.

[@mikejan6597]

Great video, well done. Just an FYI - the "TWOMOOSE" code for the PwnCNC spindle is either not working properly or a scam. The spindle configured for my Onefinity is $950 with a free $30 cable before the code and $931 after the code (it should be $900 after the code). The way that happens is after entering the code the "free" $30 cable becomes an actual $30, less 5%. So it should be $900 total with 5% off, but instead it is $931 because they now charge you for the cable. So if it is an error, maybe they should be made aware so they can fix the bug. But if it is a bit of "slight of hand"... well... 'nough said about that.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Definitely not a scam. I’m not sure what they have going on with their promos currently. I don’t make or sell the spindles I just offer a discount code they provided me. I will reach out but I have no control over any of their items or how they charge for things. Most companies typically only offer one “deal” at a time so if they have some other promo it probably cancels out the other.

[@vittoriosilva1454]

If your endmill is squealing , you're going too slow ....Either slow down the spindle or increase feed rate ...Bits will wear out alot faster if your speeds and feeds aren't correct....You should be making chips not dust ....

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Correct 👍🏼

[@alansmith2292]

Correct. When cutting the actual cutting edge should only bite into the workpiece at first contact. After that the feed should be fast enough for the rake face to shear away the chips, and the cutting edge just lightly cleans up the torn surface on the workpiece. The tool wear should mostly take place behind the cutting edge, creating a crater on the rake face. (Most noticeable on lathe tools.) If the feed per tooth is too low the tool edge is in constant contact then it wears and starts to rub, squeal and generate heat and dust. So, if squealing slow down the spindle but leave the feed rate the same (increasing feed per tooth), or increase the feed leaving the spindle speed the same (if the tool, machine, workpiece and clamp method can handle the extra load.)

[@vittoriosilva1454]

@@alansmith2292 The chips carry the heat away ...

[@alansmith2292]

@@vittoriosilva1454 you are correct. And the friction that generates the heat should be on the rake face, slightly away from the cutting edge, not on the clearance face. All this was learned back in my engineering student days (retired now.) Metal or wood, the cutting principle is the same. Back in the early days, on cam operated automatic lathes (no CNC machines then) we didn't have carbide tool inserts either, just lengths of HSS or stellite ground by hand. When a worn tool was caught in time, the cutting edge was still quite good. It was the cratering behind the cutting edge, caused by the friction of the chips that would eventually cause dramatic failure as it crept closer and met the cutting edge.

[@alansmith2292]

...basically what I'm trying to say is that by increasing the feed rate as you suggest the tool life won't be shortened. If anything the opposite.

[@the-wooden-beard]

Do you feel like the Onefinity stiffy bar add-on would be a worth it option?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Ehhhh, is it needed? No. Does it help? a little bit yes. For general use you’ll be fine without. You can always add it later if you feel like you need it. If it fits in the budget I’d get it, if you’re already on the fence you’ll definitely be fine without it.

[@EthanCarterDesigns]

Looks like a really nice upgrade!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

It’s been pretty nice! Thanks for stopping by 😁😁

[@chrisbarnes8887]

It's the nature of countersunk bolts like that. Once tightened the friction fit almost acts like there is a ton of loctite on them.

[@Hangs4Fun]

I got the 80mm clamp up front and just made and printed a 65 to 80 shim and will use the Makita (65mm) until I can justify getting an 80mm spindle (if that ever happens). This costs you nothing to do up front (if you have access to a 3D printer) and if you ever need to upgrade down the grade, its much easier.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Great Idea!

[@grumpywoodchucker]

Jeff: lot's of really good info in this video. Thank you for putting this together!!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks I appreciate it 🙏🏼

[@grumpywoodchucker]

@@TwoMooseDesign heck yeah!!

[@WoodomainJeremyBroun]

There is a lot of useful information here, thanks.

[@bukunmioyedapo45]

If you do any type of serious work with your CNC, the trim router will be the limiting factor, I do really high feeds and depth of cut with my CNC and l that really changed is the 1.5kw water-cooled spindle. Having a larger bits also make a lot of difference. Maybe with time you'll see how much of an upgrade it is, higher torque, longer life, low noise and less run out. Its expensive but totally in my books a must have if you can afford it.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for the input!

[@fieldhousebrewing]

Would you agree with him that a 2.2 is of no benefit?

[@bukunmioyedapo45]

@@fieldhousebrewing I used a 2.2kw on a commercial level CNC and it is such a tool. 2.2kw makes all the difference, as I do wood mostly.

[@dylanshandley1246]

@@bukunmioyedapo45 did you use a 1.5kw at any point? Or have you only used a trim router and/or the 2.2kw?

[@dylanshandley1246]

@@fieldhousebrewing once you’ve gotten to the point of a kilowatt and a half spindle, the biggest limiting factors would be things like work holding, the bits, maybe collets, and the inherent stiffness and rigidity of the machine, going higher than that is only really useful if you are planning on working with metals like aluminium and brass. Especially rigidity is generally the limiting factor for speed and finish with these machines. Generally, if you can max the rigidity out as much as you can, the 1.5kw spindle will do like 99.95% of the jobs you ask the machine to do.

[@OOAK-Ireland]

love your custom made CNC table, do you have an instruction video about that?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Hey! It’s a universal kreg bench. There is a video on my channel somewhere about it and it has links to all the parts in the description of that vidoe

[@thesplinteredfinger]

I have the Axiom CNC with the water cooled spindle and have been running at 18K rpm. I’ll have to try your method to see if I see any difference, thanks!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

hey! it definitely depends on your speeds your machine is capable of, most name brand bits come with bit specs and recommendations. some of those are hard to be met with smaller machines

[@alexsabillon6794]

Campeón te quedo salvaje, solo una duda, como hicistes para instalar el control de juegos a tu maquina eso es excelente me ayudas a copiar algo tan especial como eso

[@coecovideo]

Hi there, been watching lots of cnc videos lately and ..... well ... I don't understand the gaming controller ...I saw it in quite few videos but I don'T understand why

[@TwoMooseDesign]

You use the game controller to move it around, like In between carves and setting job zero. You don’t carve with it, it works pretty slick.

[@coecovideo]

@@TwoMooseDesign I see, now .sounds cool, many thanks

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@coecovideo you’re welcome, thanks for stopping by 👍🏼

[@JoeLazzara]

Can you tell me what kind of solvent you using as your coolant for the spindle? I have checked Facebook group postings and it seems there's quite a few different liquids guys are using, then when I google it, it contradicts what some guys say to use lol. I don't want to corrode anything or damage the seals or have bacteria growing in the reservoir, stuff like that. So I was wondering if you had any suggestions or have any different options? Thanks so much. 👍 Love your channel.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I used some type of coolant which I’ve been told isn’t the best choice 🤷🏼‍♂️ I’ve been told distilled water with a few drops of the anti algae is the best I guess. I’ve had no issues I was just wired about bacteria and such it’s like a 50/50 mix

[@JoeLazzara]

@TwoMooseDesign See, I just read somewhere last night that distilled water wasn't any good either lol. I was told by someone RV antifreeze (for RV plumbing pipes) was good to use, its different from regular antifreeze. But then, someone else comments and says that it contains something that isn't good for the spindle either. Also, I heard windshield washer fluid could be used. So idk anymore lol. 🤦‍♂️ Thats why I figured I'd reach out to you.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@JoeLazzara I believe I have the rv stuff. Yeah, I have no idea what’s “right” lol

[@JoeLazzara]

@@TwoMooseDesign Lol, we're on the same page.😄 Did/do you mix a little water with it or no?

[@bricejoshtyler]

Just ordered my cnc machine, could you let me know where you ordered your 80mm spindle?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Like how long I waited until I upgraded it a spindle?

[@bricejoshtyler]

No where did you buy the actual 80mm spindle machine? Because onefinity dosnt sell one yet.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@bricejoshtyler ohhhh sorry. PWN pwncnc.com/?ref=VOrUUqwnXKgGK They make a plug and play kit. You can buy other over seas brands cheaper but they need to be wired and programmed. I have more info in the description.

[@bricejoshtyler]

@@TwoMooseDesign Thanks so much!

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@bricejoshtyler you’re welcome good luck!

[@tattooartist13y]

How is the spindle holding up so far??

[@TwoMooseDesign]

It’s been a while and I haven’t had any problems thus far 🙌🏼

[@JeffZ137]

Really great info! love the practical advice.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks! I try to keep it simple 🙌🏼

[@cd7140]

Screws were hard to remove because they used thread lock on them due to the softer aluminum bracket so the screws do not strip or back out.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Theeeee ole torch showed them who’s boss 😆

[@SebbyG86]

having a VFD are you not able to hook it up to the controller and use G code to control the spindle speed strait from the controller? Surely that would be one of the benefits of a spindle over a router allowing you to have finer granular control over your feeds and speeds to achieve better and potentially faster results. maybe not all VFD's are made equal and im not expert either but maybe look into it.

[@SUNDANCE13581]

I know Kreg makes tables but what size is that one for your CNC machine and where can I order one? Jeff

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Check out the description I have links to them on Amazon. You will need a 64” set and a 44” set amzn.to/45AJGwa thanks for watching

[@ryleylamarsh]

Does it add rigidity for cutting hard plastics like acrylic. Wondering if it might help me get a cleaner cut.

[@velcrodreams178]

Thanks for the honesty !

[@TwoMooseDesign]

A spindle is great! But you can always upgrade later, definitely not needed but a nice upgrade.

[@velcrodreams178]

@TwoMooseDesign I work on mostly aluminum and stainless... someone was saying the 1.5 kw didn't have enough torque thats why I was considering this 2.2 option

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@velcrodreams178 i haven’t cut metal with mine so I’m not sure.

[@velcrodreams178]

@@TwoMooseDesign cool thanks for responding!

[@meltonermeltoner]

these rails are massive!!?! are these solid?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

They are not solid! 😁

[@Eric-rl8bl]

Great video and thanks for the information. Quick question on your Tappered Ballnose bit. What depth of cut are you running?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

About a 1/4 into the board. Thanks for watching!

[@Eric-rl8bl]

@@TwoMooseDesign Sorry, I should have clarified more on that question. I meant depth per pass. The default settings are super shallow and was wondering if you were taking deeper cuts on each pass.

[@MicroFourThirdsCorner]

What is the actual power consumption of the VFD as the wall? Peek / sustained / fast / slow etc?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I have no idea, my spindle is on its own circuit and it’s a 20 amp circuit. I’d reach out to what ever company you want to purchase a spindle from to get all that information.

[@MicroFourThirdsCorner]

@@TwoMooseDesign Thanks. They only quote the max draw, which is presumably on start up under load. They don't appear to have any other data, even when I asked support. I was hoping to find someone who had maybe used a watt meter at the wall socket. I have several of them and have checked every machine for it's actual power use. Almost without exception, they use less than the manufacturer quotes.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Possibly look into and reach out to PWN 𝙲𝙽𝙲. It’s who I went with for the spindle on my new machine. They assemble and test everything in house in the USA.

[@BeaulieuTodd]

Insanely helpful! I’m hooked. I want to upgrade.

[@arthurised]

Hello Jeff. Thanks for another great video. I did notice however, that you only have 208 'likes' and yet 5,893 views, as at Tuesday 24 May 22. C'MON VIEWERS SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION !!! I'm just a (UK based) woodwork hobbyist and seriously thinking about moving into CNC. I'm not looking to make it a business, more for creating and crafting gifts for friends and family. However, as I am limited by space - I've decked out my car garage into a small workshop - so I need to restrict my endeavours to a smaller variant than the one you are using. Would you still advocate a Onefinity brand machine: for example the Woodworker X-35 (32" x 32"), or another brand?

[@Spyderman500]

Has anyone updated the steppes to close loop or even servos?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I’m not sure but there is an advanced onefinity user group on facebook id check there

[@nywoodworx]

I run a 3 hp (2.2) factory spindle on my Laguna swift….. love the liquid cooled option, you’ll love it !!! (Although mine is a bit over a grand from Laguna , just for the spindle 🥵🥵 when this one goes I’m upgrading to a 6 hp spindle …….. er er er ( Tim Taylor ) lol great video, I love upgrade videos 👊🏻💪🏼👊🏻💪🏼👊🏻💪🏼👊🏻💪🏼

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Daaaaaang 6 hp 😮 I can’t imagine 😆

[@The-Scott]

I have a liquid cooled 3hp on my homebuilt. Just learning all of this.

[@maaingan]

When it goes? You plan on still owning the same CNC in thirty-five years? That’s optimistic

[@Archania]

I personally just upgraded to a spindle. Yes you don't need it but wow does it make it so nice.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Definitely makes for a smoother operation. Definitely a game changer on the longer carves! I do a lot of v bit work so it’s nice not listening to that router scream 😆

[@Archania]

@@TwoMooseDesign very true and feel your pain of switching the mount to the 80mm. One set screw just didn't like me.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@Archania awe man I couldn’t even get one on the bottom I had to reset and go in from the top! I was getting so frustrated 😆 nothing a little torch heat can’t fix haha

[@Aimad_LinkSyS]

hi i"m beginner and i want to begin with cnc , where i can start works and with what as materials. thousand thanks

[@FauziIbrahim]

sir. would you mind sending me 6040Z VFD manual. I lost the manual. thanks

[@brandonpeters1987]

Where did you find the wrenches that fit the 80 mm spindle? My kit didn’t come with any. Thank you

[@MyersWoodshop]

nice spindle logo! Great idea! :P

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Totally stole the idea from this Ben guy 😏

[@MrTheTaz]

is the pvc pipe as easy as it looks?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I thought it was pretty easy 🤷🏼‍♂️ just used a calipers to get the right measurements for the pvc and let the machine do the rest

[@MrTheTaz]

@@TwoMooseDesign thanks!

[@sienalfing3571]

Hallo from the Nederland my name is jurrie wat Type spindel is it en we’re kan I buy this

[@mattivirta]

just him say, 1.5KW water cooled spindle. have million shop were can buy ,if google this. aliexpress cost only spindle less than 200€ and all parts together spindle, VDF, collects, about 400-500€

[@guntherloedige4145]

IF you live in a climate that is HOT all year around, like us in Belize, it is less luxury, and more necessity to have liquid-cooling.This is especially important to get longevity from parts/components when simply replacing can take a long time to ship (corrupt banana republic customs agents). Any mechanic will tell you to saturate delicate overtightened screws/bolts with penetrating oil or even just WD40/equiv. and then "tap" or strike the fastener head to jar/unjar it prior to toquing out. ALWAYS use exact tool for the hex head.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks for the tip, I’ll keep that in mind

[@guntherloedige4145]

@@TwoMooseDesign De Nada! Just spreading info that works and helps out of a jam LoL. No pun intended. Looking for ward to arrival of my Journeyman! Some of the cool ideas and learnings from doing movie props and as a CAD tech for systems we sold back in the 90's is all coming back, so I'll share when I can do examples and have really valuable input other than simple fasteners haha... Aloha no, gotta go!

[@Noo-e6s]

Is this a 57-step motor?

[@JeremyCarnahan]

1.21 Gigawatts?! Great Scott!!

[@dynamicengravings9279]

The one you said "If I would repurchase I would probably just buy the 110v 1.5kw with the standard spindle size. 110v 1.5kw 65mm" show up on amazon as a 80mm spindle. Is that correct?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

i fixed it! thanks for letting me know. those links change all the time its hard to keep up with

[@dynamicengravings9279]

@@TwoMooseDesign would you still recommend that one as 80mm instead of a 65mm mount. Its still a 1.5kw 110v

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@dynamicengravings9279 it draws way less power than the 2.2kw. It depends on what you plan on cutting. General use the 1.5 65 will be more than enough. I would watch the video in the description he explains the difference.

[@dynamicengravings9279]

@@TwoMooseDesign so far i plan on doing the basics. I just want something that will last longer because of the water cooling and also because i heard its a lot quieter.

[@dynamicengravings9279]

@@TwoMooseDesign and thanks i will

[@pepper7144]

I am curious you got the 1.5kw spindle, is the onefintiy strong enough to use the 2.2kw spindle at full power( aka 220volts just under 3 hp)? Would you be able to use 1/2 in bits?

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I have the 2.2 and it is overkill yes. Can you use 1/2” bits? Sure just not at their full potential.

[@InTheLab3d]

THank you for the video Mr Leto :)

[@TwoMooseDesign]

My pleasure!

[@seabeepirate]

Looks like thread locker on the cap head screws. Full size Allen wrenches will do the job much better than the short ones in the multi-tool. Having the right tool for the job usually means at some point you needed it and didn’t have it and the job sucked enough without it that you bought the tool that makes the job easier. Or maybe that’s just me…

[@mattozx6rr]

LOL on the upside down logo on the mount. I'd have done exactly the same thing.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

I was so excited! Went over by the 𝙲𝙽𝙲…..idiot!!! 😆

[@PatriotPainter]

The 220v versions seem to actually be a little less expensive. Thanks for the info. I was debating adding 220 to my shop or to just do the 110. 220 seems like the way to go.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

That’s what I’d do!

[@Basement_CNC]

its like "does my car need an engine??" spindle is just a term for a a motor on a cnc so a router is a spindle and a 30w brushless dc motor is one as well what he's refering to is known as a watercpold VFD spindle and no you dont NEED one a router is fine, untill youneiter mill aluminium, need more power or need really small endmills (specificly less runout)

[@mattivirta]

30W brusless DC motor haha this is joke, hmm , maybe can use make PCB board and little mini text to soft wood, but REAL cnc need use if make wood or aluminium parts.

[@krislinder7460]

Yes you need a spindle, In CNC the cutting motor is called the spindle. It can be a simple dc motor, router or a dedicated spindle, doesn't matter. A Router is nothing more than a spindle with a base and handles, of which you remove (stripping it down to the Spindle)to use on a CNC.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Okay sure, but If you google spindle vs router it’s an entire discussion. New 𝙲𝙽𝙲 users will google that. You are looking at it way too black and white. I’m just helping the new users out with my experience. So thanks for your comment I guess? Probably didn’t even watch the video

[@krislinder7460]

@@TwoMooseDesign If you dont look at it in black and white then it leaves it open to interpretation and False info which when working with machines is irresponsible and dangerous. How able actually giving people the proper info and instruction, for example you could have said your upgrading to a more powerful spindle not upgrading to a spindle, which is more accurate

[@TwoMooseDesign]

@@krislinder7460 okay 👍🏼 I have no interest in arguing with you. Based on research in 𝙲𝙽𝙲 groups that was the best title. Sounds like you should make some videos then.

[@mattivirta]

real spindle and worst router have lot different bearing system spindle have plan used at cnc router not have, routers bearings have lot worst not long live. and normal basic DC motor have lot lot worst bearings than router dont newer use have stupid and waste only money. spindle have lot better accurate , runout have less 0,01mm and basic DC motor have 1mm about lot more not accurate use cnc. same router has.worst idea use normal DC motor or router to spindle. and good real spindle have cheapen than worst noise router.

[@richardchiggas4328]

Two quick questions and thanks for your time. 1) Why did you go with the water cooled spindle. I have a 5.5kw commercial spindle that is air cooled - never had a problem with overheating. I was just wondering if there was a specific reason? 2) Was the 80mm mounting bracket an item that you had to source, or did it come with the kit. Thanks! I really enjoy your videos. My Journeymen won't be here for another month or so.. Really looking forward to getting it.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Hey! From my understanding the watercooled was more quite and the water cooled was better for longer carves. How much different it is I don’t actually know lol and you can buy the bracket from onefinity.

[@maaingan]

A 5.5kw will twist this machine like a soda can

[@celimake]

Unlikely to find a 1.5kw with a ER20 on it. Ideally you want your vfd and power supplies for steppers on 220v, higher volts = lower amps = less em noise, less drop on high demand, less heat, balanced load, etc.

[@mattivirta]

1.5KW spindle have million lot have, whit ER20. only spindle cost normal less 200$ VDF same. all cost together about 400-500$

[@jj8482]

Thank you so much

[@TwoMooseDesign]

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@brandonpeters1987]

I ordered the same spindle, I ended up running a dedicated 20 amp circuit.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Nice! Definitely best practice. I haven’t had any issue with mine and I’ve been running it pretty hard

[@Z-add]

Once you get a spindle next step is an ATC. That option you don't have with a router.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

yes you have, and you cannot get a spindle first and then ATC (well there are some crappy solutions but don't !). your spindle has to be an ATC spindle and the worst ones are like 2k for starters, that is really the bottom WITHOUT any holders which cost even more than that, VERY QUICKLY

[@bertlaqua7573]

excellent very clear

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Glad it was helpful!

[@cda32]

A router is a spindle for routing though... so yeah you need one, unless you throw a laser or a drag knife in it or something

[@jaredmorgan8474]

I will absolutely disagree with the spindle upgrade not being necessary and only a luxury. Context is also important. If you're a hobbyist and only use it every once in a while then a router will be just fine. However if you plan on running a business, you'll want to ditch the router fast. Air cooled routers are not designed to run for hours on end. I've burned up a few already. As your CNC experience improves, longer and longer cut times will be needed for larger files. The liquid cooled spindle can run them without breaking a sweat.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

actually they abnsolutely are designed for even 24/7, but not a hand router like the makita. i talk stuff like AMB or Mafell or Suhner, all german brands. this chines stuff is crap anyway you cannot run a business with it.

[@talegunner4414]

Its called Locktite

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Omg your a genius 😯

[@GravelRacer1]

Routers are designed to cut wood. The rpm of a router is a good start.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Agreed, you definitely don’t need a spindle

[@bentebrunsvelt319]

Verry good

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Thanks 🙏🏼

[@cyberlizardcouk]

i would much rather have a 1.5kw air cooled spindle than a router. if nothing else you can hear yourself think.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

The noise reduction it’s great

[@paramtrx9558]

Nice! Meese Design

[@felderup]

if i could find a bt30 spindle head that's not an immediate gutpunch, or from china, because shipping from there is unreliable lately, i'd have something worth crowing about.

[@donalexander6534]

Willing to bet you never worked on a motorcycle or popping those bolts loose would have been easier.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Willing to bet I’ve owned 6 motorcycles 🤙🏼 non of them had tiny 2.5mm Allen keys

[@banjerlegs3051]

Boo-yah!!!

[@gurindersingh1713]

cnc machine

[@TwoMooseDesign]

Yes Cnc Machine

[@MK-ym9ne]

bro, u really should smoke or bowl or something prior to filming if ur gonna rack one beforehand… you are not hiding how gerked out u are man. just saying.

[@TwoMooseDesign]

You should lay off the drugs and maybe pick up a book, you can hardley form a proper sentence. Just saying....

[@MK-ym9ne]

i was just trying to help u out bud… not judging, just thought a heads up couldn’t hurt. didn’t mean any disrespect. i was young once too… rock on.

[@MK-ym9ne]

those days are long gone my friend... and like I had previous replied, I wasn't trying to judge or be a dick, I was just pointing it out and giving you a heads up. If I was wrong, then I apologize. That said, I am pretty sure that we both know that I wasn't. Instead of trying to attack the structure of my sentences, albeit with poor spelling, maybe just take it for what it was and move on.. I've noticed in your more recent videos that the problem is much better and/or not visible at all. Which is great and also the entire reason for the original comment... rock on. I got nothing but love for what you are doing and now i have serious CNC envy of your new setup w the spindle! Cheers.@@TwoMooseDesign