Is ARMLOCK PUTTING an Advantage?

[@4a.m.wakeupcall588]

Literally just switched in the last 2 weeks to it. Took alot of getting used too. I love it putting much better especially on inside of 20 ft. 5 footers are much more comfortable now. I have a one way miss to the right now rather than a 2 way yip. For us recreational golfers anything that makes us feel comfortable and enjoy the game more should be allowed

[@ryanwilliams9104]

I got one too but it’s still awkward!

[@KickinItAllDay]

Keep them legal pleaseee

[@M1K3Y80Y]

Which one did you go for?

[@omeradhia]

I play to a 7 handicap but put like a scatch player, according to arccoss. I decided to give ER11V mid lock a try this season. I played 4 rounds with it based on off the rack loft and lie and had a very hard time with distance control. Paid the dollars and went to club champion for a putter fitting so we could adjust the loft and lie on sam putt lab. After adjusting for loft and lie (they were really off for my putting style), I made 15 consecutive 10 footers at club champion. Came home and got into a groove where I made 50 consecutive 7 footers at home on my birdie ball putting matt. I am still getting used to distance control but this midlock by evnroll is amazing. But the only way this putter would work for you is if you get fitted for the appropriate lie and loft and you have to spend time re-calibrating your distance control on the putting green. I think its worth the effort.

[@theonetruemorty3357]

Watching TXG gives you an advantage!

[@novascotian9287]

Oh man! Clutch comment. So true.

[@coegj]

I have a 7 plus year old Arm Lock putter, I use it off and on, it has good feel, but. I do not think it gives me an advantage ( except ) when the yips slip into my stroke which happens off and on, when it does I go to the Arm Lock putter and no yips and they go away in several weeks, Arm Lock is like an aspirin which I take when I need it, do I magically putt better with one, no, it's just another club in the golf bag. People need to stop looking for a reason why someone beats them on the course, golf is hard, just accept it. Good video guys as usual.

[@andy.robinson]

Considering Matt's also putting the opposite way, that's crazy accurate!

[@adamhazelwood5282]

Just bought this Evnroll putter and love it. It feels odd at first, but the lock and lean has me holing way more putts than my old Oddysse pitter, especially inside five feet where I was struggling. For people struggling on the greens, especially those missing short putts (like myself), this is a game changer. I play offf 7, with this 4 or 5. That's something to look forward to.

[@patrickryan5790]

I use the super stroke wristlock grip on a odyssey triple track seven and it has made a huge improvement on my putting. Personally I think armlock is fundamentally different than anchoring. To me anchoring is when the butt end of the putter is anchored to a fixed point allowing the putter to act like a pendulum. An Armlock stroke while eliminating some degrees of freedom from a standard stroke will still be a compound radius with a changing center of rotation.

[@davidmaxfieldgolf]

Great video guys, you need a TXG in Australia! Would love to get a full custom fit

[@KleyDeJong]

I built a custom diy armlock putter this spring. I'm currently loving it. I use a Cleveland classic belly head, 42 inch shaft, bryson's grip with the flat running against my left forearm, 7* loft. First, I found it required a lot of tweaking of loft, grip, and setup. You really need to be able to tinker to get it right for you. It required time for me to adjust. It wasn't great right away. I use quite a bit more static forward press at setup than before. It also has changed my stroke {for the better} a lot. Shorter makeable putts feel really great. Lots of confidence. Lag putting is a struggle. It's harder to get a feel for distance control because you feel locked onto the forearm. This has improved, but has required practice. Overall I really enjoy it and would recommend.

[@joshgrossman6176]

I have this putter but I’ve heard it’s really hard to bend the loft. Did you have any issues? How did you go about it?

[@curtvass6236]

Independent of arm lock I learned so much just watching this and know it's going to help me. Thanks, guys!!!!

[@2Eaglez]

Recently purchased a custom Pinhawk On Lock Putter at 37”, my normal putter is 33”. I have installed an Evnroll Midlock grip and use a wrist lock method. The putting stroke is much more stable than my standard putter. I also adopted a saw (claw type) grip for my right had. The results are very good and I am making more putts. The Pinhawk has 7 degrees of loft and another huge advantage is putting from off the green. On those putts, I use my chipping grip and stance; the proximity results are much better and I make more of these putts than I did with my standard putter.

[@austinrogers9216]

The face control is no joke but it takes ALL the feel out of putting which for me made me go back to conventional putting

[@per_growth]

Exactly how I felt. Shorter putts seem easier - but lag putts are such a challenge. Ultimately, I find it doesn't justify losing my feel for lag putts.

[@luigihoratio5101]

Thank you. Finally someone that gets it.

[@danielsvids7325]

Couldn't you just grip it normal for lag puts then lock for close ones?

[@theamateurgolferuk]

This season I started doing a wrist lock method! This has definitely reduced my face rotation ! No doubt! Just sometimes get lazy in ball position ! Great video Guys!

[@millerviz]

I picked one up and immediately felt comfortable with it. It feels so stable that I can't imagine it isn't helping me. The grip without the side bulge is designed to go against the forearm just like the other. It leans forward more and the putter face has more loft to compensate. It's not really a tremendous amount different than a left hand low grip but it does completely eliminate wrist from the putt.

[@4a.m.wakeupcall588]

If it was an enormous advantage you would see ever pga tour pro use it. You would see all the winners using it. Its still golf you have to use what works for you. Just look at the best golfers on tour, they all use different putters (hell peter finch was using an alien head putter) I love my armlock for now using for 2 weeks I'm constantly scaring the hole and keeping it to tap ins..... if they ban it I'll keep using it unless it is designated in a tourney I'm playing in that I can't use it.

[@si777]

I've never used it, but to argue why all pro's are not using it.... Maybe they are predicting it will be banned in the near future. Changing to something else takes time then to change back that will take time as well so probably not worth the hassle if they think it's going to be banned. I personally don't know if it should be banned.

[@Zerpersande]

Same here. If they ban it they ban it. Doesn’t mean I’ll follow it except during competition. Same deal with all in ‘internal OBs’ here in Japan. Every hole lined with white stakes. Speeds up play? Local rules are okay, but this is a nationwide change to the game. Again, in a tournament I’ll follow the rules. Happen today. My ball was a few inches outside those stakes, in a very playable location but I hit my provisional. Any other time? Hitting my ball.

[@Fraggelmann]

I bought a Cobra Grandsport-35 last summer. Sadly only got to play one round with it before my home course was flooded and it ruined the last month of the season (it's a short golf season in Sweden). The putter came with their standard grip, but being a fan of Bryson, I got the JumboFlat 17-grip and have put that on instead for this season, with the flat side towards the wrist (like Bryson has it). I have to agree with many of the comments here, about it feeling better and more accurate on short putts. I haven't used it much yet, but getting the right feel for distance will take some getting used to. It doesn't come as natural as with conventional putting. I know Bryson has a putting video on his YT channel and unless I remember it wrong, he has a pretty impressive system with how far he's taking the club back for a certain length putt. I have a feeling that works better on fast PGA tour greens than on the average course where the speed (and often quality) of the green is a different animal. But with enough practice, I think it is possible to get a good feeling with armlock too. I guess the question is how many are willing to grind their putting and perhaps suffer from poor putting for a while to eventually (and hopefully) get better results in the end. I will give it this season, and try to spend much more time on the practice green than I usually do. I feel like I really need to do it, or I will make a(n even bigger) fool of myself on the course. :D

[@peteroyal1970]

Great video guys. Switched to the ER5v 39" midlock. Love it. Their idea of fitting to just add 6" to your current gamer really works and their slogan of armlock made easy is actually fact. The grip on these putters is 👌 For me I found the face is just so much more stable during my stroke and my arccos stats back that up. It's staying in my bag for sure.

[@garethbirrell3475]

I have the Evnroll armlock and has definitely made a difference to my putting from about 10ft in

[@Mitch3515]

As someone who has experimented with armlock quite a lot this year, I can tell you that having a traditional putter grip helps a ton. You can lock the putter to your arm by simply using your pointer finger on your non dominate hand, all that is left is for the dominant hand to control the length of the stroke. Also, I have noticed a significant increase in make on shorter putts (inside 10 feet), aka those knee knockers.

[@Tywithay]

I just got a new cobra putter and now you fellas have me eyeballing the armlock

[@kourt2469]

In my entire 25 years of golfing, I've never once played with or know someone who uses an armlock putter. I know people say to ban it, but when nobody really ever uses one, it can't be that much of an advantage.

[@joecbraun]

it's kind of a new phenomenon. Like the first person to really use one on tour or kinda ever was DeChambeau. So I don't think that's a very good argument.

[@Johnster7107]

@@joecbraun Kuchars been doing it for like 10 years

[@joecbraun]

@@Johnster7107 mm true, he was kinda the only one for forever though. Like I've only really been hearing about it being a thing in the last year or so.

[@kourt2469]

@@joecbraun matt kuchar and webb simpson been using them forever. Bernard Langer used one back in like the 80's. its been around for a long time. same with belly and long putters but nobody really uses them.

[@banditbaker1675]

The Grip on the Evnroll Putter looks very clever👍 But as someone who had a Belly Putter and a Broom handle Putter before they got banned. I know for sure that if I bought an Armlock Putter the R&A who Ban them instantly!

[@hurfdurfy8167]

Well, stay the hell away from them then please! 😆

[@banditbaker1675]

@@hurfdurfy8167 👍🤣🤣👍

[@lucashibbs9164]

Would love a super stable putter bracket. Cobra supernova, tm spider, armlock er2, sik, Scotty phantom etc

[@novascotian9287]

My putting was the best part of my game. +0.3 strokes gained putting on arccos. I went to the new cobra armlock 2 weeks ago. My putting never got worse and after two weeks my putting is actually getting better. +1 on arccos in just 2 weeks. I actually went right into course play with it and it was extremely easy to adopt. Lag putting is taking some time but inside 10 feet this thing is insanely accurate. There is no reason why you shouldn’t try it as long as it’s conforming.

[@Laceh1]

I have had my cobra armlock putter for 2 months now and I've never felt more comfortable putting. I used to miss a lot of puts on my stroke something which happens only very rarely now. Does take some time to get used to tho, like the first week my pulls got even worse but now after some practice I feel better about my putting than ever.

[@brentmundie]

Being a hobbyist club maker, I’m always tinkering with new stuff. I built up an armlock and have played a few rounds with it. I feel more comfortable with face control but it’s been a struggle so far to control distance. I think with more practice, it could be a real winner.

[@Rich-ey7jv]

I installed the grip you used, which is a Mid lock grip. Much better than most armlock grips. I've had only 2 three puts in 3 rounds, big improvement. Highly recommend the grip. I used other armlock grips but this one is much more accurate.

[@muzzleblast88]

2 years since you commented . Do you still use it or switched yet. And if you did switch what did you get ? Thanks

[@Rich-ey7jv]

Yes, everyone always is saying what a great putter I am. The Mid lock is better than Arm lock because you can use some wrist easier on longer putts. I've only had to give the Mid lock three or four rounds off for bad behavior the last couple of years! @@muzzleblast88

[@djneary]

I really think good putting comes from feel over technique. Feel and confidence are number one in my opinion!

[@Hortonspiel]

Switched to Armlock and love it. Figuring out pace is a big shift as its a totally different feel, but actually its a lot more comfortable of a feel for me.

[@georgelehman7047]

Could you please do the same analysis with the wrist lock method and grip from Super Stroke. Thank you.

[@razor7241]

I’ve tried an arm lock putter but found it hard on my bad back on the follow through!

[@swingking83]

The one thing people don’t understand about armlock is ball position along with where it “locks” in at on the arm. Midlock is when the club locks in down the forearm and closer to the wrist. Ball position needs to be closer to normal ball position (slightly forward). If you go armlock with club locking in more up the forearm closer to the elbow the ball position needs to be slightly further back in the stance. More towards the middle. This allows you not to have to manipulate the forward press to get the loft closer to standard loft. Playing it back allows for that. They might allow it. They might not. I think the thing on tour that needs to go is the green books. I don’t mind the armlock. Still gotta read the putts

[@Kaddywompous]

I play the ball just off the back foot with mine.

[@malvia1]

I love my armlock even after being a decent putter without it. You do have to work decently hard at first because physical triggers, like knowing how much swing to put in to go a certain distance, will vary from traditional putters. That being said, I have to do the same practice even if I go from a mallet to a blade. It won't be for everyone, but everyone SHOULD try one once to see if it triggers some excitement.

[@Kaddywompous]

Yep. I had to get used to it, took a good amount of practice, but now it’s deadly. Never going back, whether they ban it or not.

[@bryancamp6885]

This putting style definitely puts a focus on face rotation and shows the consistency you can have. I’m surprised the LAB putter doesn’t get brought up in this regard. If you go back and look at Matt testing that putter, he was consistently in the teens for rotation as well. Shows how much their tech is holding up.

[@tommyjon514]

I'm thinking of trying to evnroll mid lock. I tried it at Golf Galaxy and liked it. Very controlled was my takeaway. Currently using the LAB direct force 2 and like it a lot but I'm always looking for a little advantage.

[@bartsloat2108]

Great videos -- thanks for your great reviews and demonstrations! Evnroll putters are amazing -- I've never putted with anything better. It takes a good 3 to 4 weeks to adjust and get comfortable with the Midlock. Trying it for a day or two just doesn't work. Which is why a lot of pros won't switch during the season -- too costly to go through a month long adjustment.

[@davidglendinning8457]

I bought a Armlock AL 2 grip and installed it on a TM DLL putter years ago. The AL 2 grip has an angled bore hole which adds 2°-3° of loft without the crazy offset or excessive forward shaft lean. Then i got a proper odyssey armlock and ended up with pain in my elbow. So bought a 2nd hand scottie mallet and add another AL 2 grip. Ban it at the elite level but give the average joe a chance in his weekend 4ball

[@DizzyGoat44]

Love your putter reviews. Convinced me to try the LAB and I’m never going back

[@lesmoore7613]

i wonder how an armlock LAB putter would feel....

[@VKBKK]

Love all your show Ian n Matt. For myself, I switch to putt left handed 4 months ago with my normal RH grip (Odessey 7) and just feel so much easier for me to control my distance n start line. Maybe could also be due to me having a left master eye? Been game changer to my putting n drop to 29 putts now and I only had 1 triple putt over this period. I do think there is an advantage to armlock putter for shorter putt and starting on line.

[@petercusanelli5663]

Been waiting for this!

[@MJ2936]

I think it is an interesting concept. I always think the less moving parts for something like a putting (or general golf) swing, the better chance at the accuracy and precision of your shots. That being said, if its not fit well, and like many said if there is something mentally preventing you from a good swing, all the equipment in the world won't help you. The argument of the Tour player using this is an interesting one. Yes, on one hand if it "worked" maybe we would see it more, then again Tour pros got to where they did with a certain swing and equipment type and they may be more resistant either consciously or subconsciouly to a drastic change in concept like this, and also more likely to give up on it if it isn't producing results.

[@RPGfitness]

Just got fitted to an Armlock Putter yesterday. Been using a 34" 12yr old Odyssey Two-ball White Hot. Never played any other type. Decided to "try" armlock at my fitters. After about an hour of playing around, decided to actually get fit using Quintic and Fine Tune putters. My experience was awesome because I was 1. Open minded to new things, 2. Trusted my fitter, 3. Believed the data that showed I actually putted better and 4. Realized half of my strokes were on the green and needed to spend the time and money on the area that needs it most. Check out Fine Tune putters. If you're in the Ventura County area, check out Forward Golf ⛳️ Dan and Chad are legit

[@slammdvx]

I really want to try this, and my first thought was to re-shaft a spare putter. Then I realised the loft wouldn’t work. So I think I view of the seemingly inevitable ban, the cost prohibition of the project will stop players having a crack for what might be 2 weeks. And possibly detailing the work you’ve done/are doing with the standard stick.

[@waynestrutt5553]

The Odyssey Ten 2-Ball armlock is a game changer for me!

[@James_Vaughn]

I've tried them in the shop, and wasn't initially too impressed. It would certainly take a lot of getting used to, especially when it comes to pace. I have to feel like my trail side controls the pace to putt consistently. Also, the only models I have available to demo are the more expensive ones, so the cheapskate in me comes out. I wish globalgolf had one of these in their Utry program, then I would have a couple of weeks to try it in the real world before taking the plunge. It's not the money really, it's that I don't want to spend money on a new putter only to find it makes no difference, or is possibly worse. And, I don't want to have to go through the trouble of reselling.

[@AB-nv7bz]

Without question its an advantage. You have to get used to it, and every one is custom built. The 4 owners of my local shop all switched to it(no big deal for them, its basically free). I played around with a couple. Line was amazing, but if felt uncomfortable (party not fit for me) so speed was really hard. Its not something you can buy used.

[@timbuma3693]

Looks like I need to try this!

[@frostshock13]

I haven't got to use this putter, but I have an armlock set up putter from back when it was first coming up. The only issue I ever ended up having issues with was long putts on slow greens.

[@antonsmith743]

I have ordered the ping heppler arm lock and eager to try. I lock my wrist anyway with a 'normal' putter. I find it funny when say ban it, but give people 30 extra yards on a drive/iron for free and no one complains 😂

[@simonhornby1422]

A lot of people here talk about the loss of feel for pace on long putts. I just got the armlock ER11v. On long putts when a feel for distance is more critical I don’t lock the putter in. On short putts when accuracy is more paramount , I lock in. Only a few rounds deep. 3 putted once which for me is 5 less than my average.

[@JFras-qg5jt]

I've armlock ed for about a year now. I hope it doesn't get banned I'm sooo much better with armlock than conventional!

[@williamsandefur1254]

Heck I have two broomstick putters alternating between them. The Seemore platinum broomstick sbc20 putter cost $349.00 so that tells you how much I care about the frickiing ban rule. I also just ordered the Evnroll 41" ER5V Midlock Mallet Putter for $378.95 so I can game either pending how my putts per round are going. At 72 years old and fighting the yips for the last several years I had to change my way of putting or give up the game.

[@benhodgson9634]

In terms of banning it, I wonder how easy it would be to decide where you draw the line between an armlock and just gripping short on a normal putter with a lot of forward press.

[@scottmackey4182]

More proof that Matty Boy is a machine.

[@jacobmccain8082]

I'm convinced that some people can just putt and some can't. There are outliers but overall the best putters I've known use a traditional grip. I find armlock pretty nice for short putts but it feels so awkward on anything 15 feet or more.

[@CSqrdX]

Becoming a good putter is a skill that can be acquired by anyone. Just need the proper tools, methods, and time to practice.

[@jacobmccain8082]

@@CSqrdX True. Anyone can be a decent putter with practice. Some, however, just have a natural ability to read greens and match speed. A naturally gifted putter with practice makes an absolute weapon on the course.

[@linconhoiland6053]

I was a yip putter with a regular putter for years, went to an anchor putter and found some relief but before I could master it it was outlawed and back to yips I went. Found arm lock and solved the yips again. Have a pretty consistent putting game now after two years of extensive practice. If they outlaw it I will not go back, I will quit playing any competitive golf governed by the banning bodies along with any membership I pay to them. I can play with friends that don’t care about my clubs meeting some pro golf rules and enjoy my rounds. I will not go back to conventional.

[@TommyDawson]

I think there's alot of positives. I think the comfortability and being able to get used to it would be the weekend golfers issue. I would hate to spend the money and then the PGA outlaw them as well but I knew it would be extremely stable.

[@fergusreeverealestate.7409]

go and listen to the crossfield podcast about schauffle. he was ranked no8 in the world before he used armlock, since he made the switch his putting has fallen away significantly according to strokes gained. some will benefit, but not all. at the end of the day its still between your ears that counts the most. if it was that much easier using armlock, everyone would have jumped on it. i dont care if this is allowed or not- i literally don't give a rats hooter what kind of putter you use.

[@nceebee6859]

Give him an off season with it, then reassess.

[@JMEAUS22]

@@nceebee6859 No, Xander said it provides clear and obvious advantage then got worse. He was just wrong & doesnt work for him, the same way it might work for others. It clearly doesnt work well for most given you can count on one hand the amount of pro's who use it

[@iamfodder1017]

If the anchor rule was established to prevent people from "Anchoring" the putter shaft against the "Body" thus giving them a distinctive pendulum motion advantage....how is it possible that the anchoring of a putter against one's forearm or bicep isn't cheating? Of course it's cheating and violates the anchor ban...unless somehow the arm isn't considered part of the body? Bryson has been mentioned by name in every upper level conversation of this issue. Yes, it does give an advantage.

[@kennysingletary4490]

Because the arm actually moves during the stroke, a grip stuck in the stomach or chest does not move and creates a true pendulum.

[@JMEAUS22]

Because its not anchoring. Its never anchored to the body. Anchoring requires the butt end of club be attached to a fixed point of body. Arm us not a fixed point, it moves during stroke. Butt end of club never in contact with body at any stage either. Its not anchoring

[@raybalberman1575]

Ready to try one of these at my TXG fitting in a couple of weeks! No reason to not at least see the numbers.

[@lakecityripper]

How was it?

[@raybalberman1575]

@@lakecityripperthey didn't really have one on hand that fit my height and stroke path. Fitting experience was great though, love my new TM Spider EX

[@centercutgolf]

Great job on the video.

[@DK_Raiders117]

What are your thoughts about cutting it as I’m 5’4”? With something that length would extra weight need to be added towards the head or does it not matter as a lot of putter head feeling is already lost?

[@connorlockhart3163]

Xander putted like arse with the armlock went back to his gamer if it ain't broke don't fix it

[@NPR7771]

Just won an Olympic gold metal with his standard grip!

[@gizgad567]

In 20 years technology has given us about 17 or so more yards with the driver. That is amazing! What ever we can do with simple technology changes to get more people in the game the better.

[@per_growth]

The test was purely for shortish putts - which is not the case in real golf. How about facing a 30 - 35 footer and needing 2 putts to win a match? The challenge I found for arm lock (mid lock) was the distance control for putts longer than 25 feet. I've gone from conventional to armlock (for about 4 mos) to conventional to mid lock (for about 2.5 mos) and finally now back to conventional. I play off a 3hcap now and putting is the worst aspect of my game (hence the trials) - in the end, even with Evnroll's sweet face tech - the midlock (i feel) added a stroke/stroke and a half in my game because I found I was 3 putting more than I used to because all the feel you need for a lag putt is simply gone. Maybe this is also why you only see a handful (BAD, Kuchar and Xander S?) of pros use these. Consider that these guys play for their livelihood - if it was really heads and shoulders better than most putters - maybe most would go for this instead.

[@tlavery59]

Is that grip a grip that is added to a traditional putter or do you still have to get a putter with additional loft on the putter face? Thanks again for a great video and there is certainly a lot of talk about arm lock putters, but hopefully this will help me become an even better putter. Also can this grip be turned around and be used on the right arm similar to the way that Kutcher has reversed his arm lock putter to his right arm? Thanks!!!

[@douglaswarner3598]

Have acquired my second arm-lock putter and have found it similar to the first, it is difficult to line up and the back swing is moving all over the place. Believe distance control will not be an issue with practice but back swing path an issue. Thoughts?

[@Sivique]

I keep seeing people having trouble with pace in the comments, would u say u have to put more power into the putts to reach the hole or the other way around where u have to keep power more under control?

[@Banjoguy55]

Gotta give it a try.

[@danielabbruscato5919]

What do you guys think about the Superstroke Wrist Lock Grip? Sometimes I tend to get quick and pull or push my putts, do you think the Superstroke WristLock grip would help. I do love my putter it’s the Odyssey StrokeLab #7.

[@robertkatz3788]

I started putting with the Evnroll ER11 Midlock 4 weeks ago and my putting AVERAGE has dropped 3.3 putts per round and I have shot my age twice this week. It's money in the bank!

[@brianupdegraff4558]

ok crazy question as a righty if I was going armlock and going to go 1 handed, do you suggest a righty putter with right arm, or a lefty putter with right arm? I currently use a conventional putter 1arm righty/right arm.

[@cksamo]

What role does toe hang play in an arm lock putter? Is it more beneficial for it to be face balanced or is it still a function of how much arc is in your stroke?

[@joeb5958]

Poor Matt Kuchar. Just going along armlocking for years and nobody says a word. What about that SK7 stand alone putter? I would love some dialogue on if you think that’s cheating or illegal? Or shoot what about even the triple track ball markings? If there is data that shows it improves putting and people have the option to use the technology but don’t, is it cheating?

[@JMEAUS22]

Sk7 is illegal. Free standing putters not allowed under the rules.

[@teerex8488]

Aside from a longer shaft and that midlock grip, what other adjustments to your conventional putter would you need to make to make it playable as an arm lock putter? Loft and hosel adjustments? I currently have a Odyssey Ten Triple Track.

[@JMEAUS22]

Loft up minimum 4 degrees. Hosel needs to be forward probably 3-4 degrees as well

[@billyludbey838]

Do you need a specific arm lock head and shaft or can you just put an arm lock grip on any old putter?

[@adamm9927]

What putting mat do you guys use in the studio? BirdieBall?

[@TheDedloc]

I dont find it to be a very large advantage. It doesn't take away from the spirit of golf. You still need to read the greens and put the right stroke on the ball.. regardless of the club grip. Also, is it not serving the same purpose that 99% of the oversized/weighted putters? It is just doing it in the grip and and not the head.. although still doing it in the head because a proper arm locked putter has an off set in the head so that you dont feel too far forward. It isn't as simple as just buying the grip and throwing it on your everyday putter. It is exactly what you want in a new club lol one that gives actual results. It even takes "getting use to" you mean like time to develop skill with the club?! As one would with ANY golf club they start using. Taylor Made doesnt come out with a new driver that drives an extra 20 yards and people dont get mad about that? If this should be banned then so should every form of anchor putting. (Mind you I say all this and dont even own a set of golf clubs..) What little I have delved into the sport.. it seems absurd to me that they would ban Bryson Dechambeu's way of putting. AGAIN. At some point you have to say okay.. they are just stacking the cards against this guy and imo he is changing the sport. He may not be as decorated as Tiger or Rory but he sure is doing a lot to the approach of the core game. Golf always been thought of as an old man/rich person sport.. and physical fitness having little to do with it. He is working so hard to shave the strokes off his play with his drives and they just keep banning every way he has to actually make the strokes worth while. Bryson is not the best putter on tour. Far from it actually. Ive not seen anything yet that really stands out to me that this putter needs to be banned. And when I get to buy my own first set of clubs.. the one length and armlock putter style really appeals to me as a brand new golfer. The theory behind it is very sound and makes sense to me. I understand how hard it is for people to break habit. But that needs to be one of you abilities as a professional athlete and that is to adapt and overcome. If it really is the better way to put then you need to switch to it.. or be brave and willing enough to compete against it and prove that it isn't better. You shouldn't get to complain because you refuse to try it because it feels "uncomfortable." So, were gonna ban someone else's putter because YOU feel uncomfortable with it?! lol If that is the case then we need to be banning over sized and weighted putters. OR ban fittings and just have one standard set of clubs.. It is completely illogical to ban this putter or any of the other things I mentioned.

[@professionalguidetorealest3070]

Can you just buy the grip and install it or is there an extension you and build to put it together?

[@Ozmodan965]

Personally, they should have never banned anchoring. However, if they want anchoring to be banned, then this should be banned. Seems pretty clear to me that this is anchoring. Hopefully, they will just get rid of the ban altogether.

[@JMEAUS22]

Bracing & anchoring not the same. Not even remotely. Anchoring requires a fixed point to anchor to. The arm moves during stroke so its not fixed point. Its not anchored because the only way you can anchor a putter is with the butt end of the club. So no, it shouldnt be banned at all

[@Ozmodan965]

@@JMEAUS22The whole spirit of the anchoring band was to get players to use their hands

[@JMEAUS22]

@@Ozmodan965 Then make that the rule. Even then thats a bad argument, left hand low uses the hands, but is still a form of the wrist lock even though it uses the hands.

[@joshualink6973]

Done any tinkering with the wrist lock putter grip? Armlock feels so odd to me.

[@paullawrence1348]

Thanks for doing this. Is it possible to retrofit an existing putter and make it armlock? Or would there be too much adjustment to make it work? Seriously interested in this concept!

[@KickinItAllDay]

I converted a old belly putter since the head weight needs to be heavy (roughly 400g tradition putters are around 340g) I then got the AL grip which adds around 3 degrees of loft and can be found online. Then had a pro adjust the lie angle. Honestly if I had to do it all again I’d buy one off eBay cheap to see if it was worth it instead of going through all the work of creating mine own.

[@SasquatchTour]

Yes it's possible. I did it to give arm lock a try as I used to have a forward press like Dave Stockton. I wouldn't do it with a head that is less than 370g. Most arm lock putter heads are closer to 400g. Average length is around 43" but it's important to make sure the shaft is long enough to reach the meat of the lead forearm but not go past the elbow. A good start is finding a belly putter and add loft. Most putters are around 3 degrees of loft which an arm lock will need about 7-9 degrees depending on how much shaft lean you need based off of where you setup the putter head in the stance meaning forward or back. For grips I recommend the jumbo max grip Bryson uses or the mid lock grip on the even roll putters which I found on eBay. The last item is lie angle. Most putters are around 70 if you are using a face balanced putter I found that 73 degrees worked better which is the standard spec that PXG uses for their builds. I found a cheap belly putter and simply adjusted loft and lie for a cheap try since belly putters are illegal you can find bargains and are easily converted otherwise a cheap hack on a standard putter is put in a graphite shaft extension by cutting a cheap graphite shaft. I used graphite for my initial conversion because the shaft is lighter and didn't alter swing weight as much as steel. And then have the loft adjusted to at least 7 degrees.

[@sdfasdfasdfasdf7889]

I converted my Evnroll Tour Strike. Installed a stability shaft and MidLock grip, 40".

[@glennmurley2463]

Have thought about trying it but what’s the point m! By the time I get used to it it’ll probably be banded 😂 interesting that Xander has taken it out the bag this week

[@markpilutti4532]

Any idea who makes a left handed version???? Any brands???

[@philipphillips906]

What is the loft of the putter your using?

[@nacksr]

What’s the likely hood of them getting banned, would hate to try one like it and get used to it and then can’t use it. You know those weekend duffers will call everyone one out lol

[@hurfdurfy8167]

If you're not playing tournament golf, why not try it? And who the hell cares about those guys? Can't let someone else determine what you find fun/helpful. I played with a guy using a belly putter and honestly didn't give a damn! I thought it was pretty cool actually. He certainly didn't putt any better than I, so meh! 🤷‍♂️

[@mikewilliams1479]

I am interested to see try an armlock putter. I would hope it doesn't get banned by the time I can get a decent putter. If so, build my own (0_0)

[@D.WhiteJr]

The Evnroll isn’t a full length Armlock. I’m sure you guys know. The mid lock is closer to conventional just above the wrist and when you forward press it will touch. Not nearly extreme as the Bryson armlock

[@svz520]

Always wondered

[@stevenroberson951]

Arm lock or standard I think Matt should be putting Right handed.

[@Thecwarter]

You still have to be able to read the green, match up speed and line, and hole putts. Appears that there may be a slight advantage in doing this, but I haven’t seen it out on the tour yet.

[@kcbice]

Does that putter have toe hang? I've seen the mallet one in a store and it is very face balanced.

[@jeffschlosser3146]

Been doing this for 15 years off the back arm, immobilization is the best way to attain accuracy came up with it long before it was a thing. Alan Alda PBS science helped. This way of putting is awesome for more 90% of golfers. You just proved it through your analytics and yet just because of professional now finds it “easier”We need to ban it from everybody. Golf got “easy”wtf? We need to make it harder! Wrist lock next? What about bottom over top, is that next too? I’m surprised you even let women play golf. How dare the sport progress, next we will be back to Hickory shafts and hand forged irons. A wood is only a wood if it’s persimmon. LETS MAKE GOLF HARDER TOGEGTHER!!!! BAN lead tape, metal shafts, and graphite. Carbon fiber is right out!!! If you didn’t build it you can’t play it. You can only putt the way everyone else does that’s fair, right everyone? at what point am I gonna have to turn around and hold the club behind me to hit the ball that sounds challenging enough for a professional maybe they all need to putt that way

[@willplaysgolf1640]

Do side saddle next!

[@jeremylonsdale3350]

I'm gonna buy one even if it gets banned would be good training tool for face control.

[@Bigladle]

Ok maybe I’m missing something but how is it an advantage if everyone can just use one?

[@hurfdurfy8167]

Because it's golf, and someone's gotta be a stuffy prick about it. "OH THAT'S DIFFERENT, BAN IT! WHAT? NO I DON'T CARE THAT I CAN USE IT TOO, BAN THEMMMMMM!!!!!" is all I hear from the old twat waffles with sticks up their rear.

[@jeremyl3117]

Guy above pretty much nailed it! Most of those geezers will be 6-under for good soon enough! God forbid anything new and different makes golf a little more interesting!

[@DougNielsen]

Can this grip be added to any putter or should there be something that should be looked at with head or hosel design for using arm lock? Does the shaft need to change? Super strokes makes a grip like this.

[@konradbidwell8363]

Most putters are weighted now so it would defo need to be checked before you changed it.

[@DougNielsen]

@@Paul-ip4nr What about the Super Strokes wrist lock grip?

[@JohnFishburne1]

10 footers would be easy. Lag putts would be hard to get a feel for it. I don’t have a lot of 10 footers. Mostly 30 feet for birdie or a 3 footer for par.

[@AB-nv7bz]

It unquestionably an advantage i have watch some many youtube on it, and people with no experience with it have the same or better numbers than their current putter. I really want to make the change, but my concern is spending $500 on a customer armlock only to have it banned in a year.

[@patricktraynor7628]

Have you guys heard of BioMech AccuLock ACE Putter?

[@Kaddywompous]

Ditto. I use it, I love it. Best I’ve ever gamed.

[@waynestrutt5553]

Bought one, tried it, sold it! Didn’t like it. Too light. Just bought the Odyssey 2Ball ten armlock. Game changer for me!

[@sievans79]

I ordered one of the Cobra 3D printed armlock putters here in UK, only to just be told deliveries delayed until December! Let's hope it's not banned before release, not that I can see why it should be banned. They've been around for a long time.

[@WW-jf2me]

So was putters wit cheek hold aswell and chest hold. its dum to kkep it in. but thats my opinion if you ban alll else why would it be in ?. still a center point of blaance

[@sievans79]

@@WW-jf2me May want to concentrate on beer consumption control, rather than putter pivot point. ;-) I need all the putting help I can get, so if it's not banned it fair game.

[@WingsOfAnemia]

How are you finding it after a year? Did it take a while to get used to?

[@sievans79]

@WingsOfAnemia I went with Evnroll Midlock, Cobra kept on delaying release date. It did take a fair few rounds to get used to amount of "forward press" required. I've found my putting has improved considerably.

[@WingsOfAnemia]

@@sievans79 awesome! I’m glad to hear that. I wish cobra had an option for arm lock with the supernova lineup. Those look amazing and I really like the SIK face on my current putter. It’s too bad it’s just the few options with cobra at the moment