Tyla Isn't A Mean Girl?

[@KingofReads]

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[@NoNonsense-h5v]

When I tell you I look forward to your content speaking about these specific things I can relate so much especially when you hit on the judges even in the courtroom like the black Detroit judge that really humiliated this young black dark skin girl the volunteered to help people in her community all because she fell asleep in a courtroom because she didn't have a place to live so she was just tired. A straight A student never got in trouble a day of her life but I guarantee you he would have never did that to a white little girl. So you're absolutely correct with this content in this video

[@ChristianAffirmation]

I empathize with you for how people have treated you ❤️. I don’t really understand why they called you that particular name based off your story but I still feel sorrowful that you had to defend yourself from such attacks.

[@boipelozondo9806]

For the first time I disagree with you. Please look at how Beyonce used to behave in the 90s. She was behaving rude , petulant towards her group members. Her interviews gave mean girl. But bcos there was no Twitter back then she was able to grow out of it and the Beyonce we know today. Tyla is a child and has only been in the industry for a year unlike Vic Monet who has more than a decade in the business. She is young give young black women Grace to err

[@FairlyWellDarling]

HEY COUSIN!! You seen how they went on over there and SNATCHED DIDDY UP? Love it for him so much!!!! ❤

[@BowserStrange]

Tyla 💯 disrespected Halle. We not going pretend we all didn’t see that No ma’am, like girl y’all the same damn size if you can’t hold it neither can she. That is why Halle just looked and smiled at her. It is known Blk women struggle to be seen as feminine yet she does some shit like that. I don’t like her…

[@MsBea-ph4ck]

Tyla is who TEMS SHOULD BE. and yes colorism is playing a MAJOR FACTOR, period. TEMS has been dropping hits after hits and remixes.

[@alkahinat4558]

Facts. I already noticed that as much as Tems is loved, she doesn’t get all this fanfare and industry hype. But the ‘powers that be’ prefer to push the ladies who are racially ambiguous. At least Tyla has talent 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@toribabe1000]

I think TEMS CAME OUT WHEN AFRO BEATS WAS HOT... ND SHE HAD TO COMPETE WITH THE GOATS ...BURNA WIZ ETC.... but Tyler came out when amapiano has become popular all the tictok dances for the last 2 years r amapiano based.... so at this time Tyler didn't get all the goats putting out albums nd all

[@YaYa502Fitness]

Trust Tems music is here to stay on some classic shit. Tyla not so much. ☕️

[@cebile1493]

I like Tems and Arya Stars music

[@sisipholiwani3525]

Intloni sisi!

[@ahsadbroker7198]

We know you're talking about Victoria Monet, she's classy, genuine and truly humble. She worked for that. Speak your truth brotha!

[@marieantoinette8250]

Love her her vocals are very light though all her live performances be like turn up the mic and turn down the music I can't hear her I do think she sound pretty ok when I can hear her and on the tracks they amp up the vocals that is my only issue with her its not much power in her voice

[@TyWerks]

yea she's dope

[@_NoHandle_]

I love watching Victoria Monet perform. She's great!

[@cmilla2013]

I’m glad I saw this comment bc I most definitely did not think of Victoria but I absolutely love her!!

[@SideEyeee_]

@@marieantoinette8250that’s you

[@Lvr_grll]

“I placed him in a stupid box, and I’m not opening it” A READ😭😭😭

[@NompiloKhumalo-jm7sm]

@@Lvr_grll he ate that read

[@Lvr_grll]

@@NompiloKhumalo-jm7sm and did lmao🙂‍↕️

[@BaddJass]

Lmao girl I fell out. 😂

[@SinisterGGX]

The funniest thing I heard

[@Lvr_grll]

@@BaddJass like I rlly was gagged so bad I gotta start using that😭

[@dre_withwithout]

Uppity is colonizer lingo.

[@alkahinat4558]

Yup, didn’t they used to call black people ‘uppity negroes’?

[@Tullahgit]

Oop!!!

[@ms.battle9055]

Africans and Caribbeans are uppity dark or light skin. It is how they act periodt

[@Rtbj335]

@@dre_withwithout but Africans have said we don’t have culture so I could say the same thing about all of you

[@moustik31]

That's what pissed me off the most!

[@jonelledaniels2602]

So happy you spoke the truth on Armon. He is so ignorant, also this is not the first time he’s been hateful to not only Africans but black women. Let’s not forget his stance on Megan and Tory

[@Tyyy13]

@@jonelledaniels2602 and he loved pitting black women against each other, as well as make up scenarios for them so they DO fight each other

[@jonelledaniels2602]

@@Tyyy13 exactly. He is truly miserable, I don’t know if it’s that failed music career that gets him like this but it’s quite alarming to hear some of the things he comes out with

[@WhatTheFuss]

No one can convince me that he’s not on Nikki Minaj’s payroll! He stalked Megan the entire trial only to report back to Nicki! I stand on that! He is trash and been trash! And there’s another KZbinr (female) that was using her platform HEAVILY hating on Megan only to look up and see her posted up at a celebrity Bday party where Megan was in attendance and next thing I know she all in Megans personal space! These KZbinrs be wild!!!

[@mamasann7636]

Seriously. Don’t understand the hype. I blocked him over a year ago so he doesn’t show in my feed.

[@Wtfhappenedto2024]

@@Tyyy13whether you think Cardi is black or not isn’t important in this instance but, he’s always trying to pit her and Megan together for some reason it’s like he can’t fathom how women actually liking eachother

[@piecesoflyric5945]

It’s just crazy that there have been artists of darker complexion with the same level of beauty coming out of Africa, AHEM: Tems, Arya Starr. But they get no praise or attention or invites the same as Tyla. It’s just another example of pretty privilege and the favoring of light skin being deliberately shown. Tyla’s not even the problem, it’s the system and programming that she benefits from.

[@fromlissawithlove]

I LOVE Tems and have been recently blessed with the equally beautiful genius level artistry that is Arya Starr. Those goddesses stay in my rotation❤❤❤ 🎶

[@WhatTheFuss]

KOR has been the only channel that calls out colorism w/in the Hip Hop culture amongst the women. It’s sad but it’s been going on! Think back to when rap videos first came out! Most of them rappers wouldn’t even have a dark skinned woman allowed in their videos! Hell! From what I understand Chris Brown didn’t let darker women in his videos until recently. Same w/ NFL, BASKETBALL PLAYER, many of them won’t even let you in VIP if you don’t pass the ‘PAPER BAG” test! SAD as hell that it’s still like that today!

[@MissN77]

So true

[@Lovingitjuju]

Arya is gorgeous, Tems is beautiful, Tiwa Savage is stunning, Tyla is a pretty girl but I have seen many many Tylas, her mixed look I guess automatically equals the most gorgeous thing coming out of Africa 🙄

[@piecesoflyric5945]

@@Lovingitjuju right, the black South African women don’t even look like how Tyla looks. But somehow we’ve made her the face of Africa/ South Africa and their women. (Not to say SA aren’t beautiful bc they are teeeaaaa) but just tryna point out a toxic pattern. I wouldn’t even be mad if the other girls were getting equal opportunity, but they’re not. So, I have a problem with that 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@mayagrady4469]

I see her as not being media trained

[@rucianapollard4057]

Agreed 👍

[@Rtbj335]

@@mayagrady4469 and xenophobic

[@boipelozondo9806]

Or a child...she is young.

[@linabelinaa]

⁠@@boipelozondo9806she is not a child, young as in early 20s yes but not a child at all

[@123kymar]

She asked someone (Nas) to hold her award so she needs media training. Also, she didn't please AA by chatting up stuff with Charlamayne (bcz she already chatted about the topic many time before)

[@BeautybyKelli]

“We want to preserve innocence for her bc of the way that she looks “ powerful statement

[@boipelozondo9806]

No, we want to preserve her innocence because she is actually a child.

[@piecesoflyric5945]

@@boipelozondo9806 No 22 year old person is a child.

[@TrollBot.]

​@@boipelozondo9806Whos a child? 😂 Mam are you lost? Lol

[@vernicegirl8987]

@@boipelozondo980622 isn’t a child what are you talking about? Y’all are infantilizing her because of her looks which is exactly the point 💀

[@Lisette121]

​@@vernicegirl8987facts‼️

[@leoneeshaserrano7670]

In regards to the Tyla and Halle situation no shade, but if Beyoncé can hold six Grammys. She can hold one award.

[@naturistfred]

Agreed. Beyonce learned all of those proper etiquette since she was a little girl. Tyla doesn't have that.

[@rucianapollard4057]

Why Beyonce gotta be in every conversation 😕

[@vegannn7178]

@@rucianapollard4057because she’s the GOAT, NEXT!

[@Mindyours1999]

Agreed, In my opinion Tyla did not want to hold the award and mess up the aesthetics of her outfit lol. That moon man cannot be THAT heavy for a professional dancer (essentially an athlete lol)

[@dlaurasmith7047]

These girls will never know what it's like to dance hard, sing on que, do real choreography, set changes, wardrobe changes, all in heels 👠

[@prettynikky2097]

I believe that Tyla does benefit from colorism and desirability and it’s unfortunate for others who are darker, yet equally or more talented. I also do believe that she is talented. And I also can’t imagine being a celebrity and my life and every move that I make or don’t make being hyperscrutinized and public commentary being formed about me in 5-second clips and sound bytes.

[@kimmyw010]

That part and it's sad because I've seen dark skinned women defend it 😢

[@prettynikky2097]

@@kimmyw010 😔

[@kamilahdouglas1609]

I like how you said that black women got *activated* to defend this racially ambiguous woman. And it's not just with Tyla, but with a lot of mixed and light skinned women. It's as if we want to get their leftover crumbs by going so hard for them. We don't go this hard for defending our own black sistas though.

[@dejtv956]

🎯🎯

[@23CheekyChick]

This right here stays happening.

[@alkahinat4558]

Some people were Stanning out when I said the behaviour was rude (to me) and that it could possibly stem from racial hierarchy (but not definitely), they went WILD. As much as they claim it’s not that serious…why doesn’t that argument apply to people talking about it? 🥴😂 And I only ever see that intensity in defending a person, when that person is racially ambiguous 😐

[@alianaana8124]

black women and the black community have been doing nothing but tearing her down.

[@mkmc94]

That's stupid how he frame this issue ad a light skin things when both Halle and Tyla are the same complexion and he dismiss the issue about the xenophobia as if it not the main problem

[@SoSo-uh6tu]

Not to take up for Armon but the ‘Tyla Hate Train’ started before him. I’d say it started going when she made the ‘colored’ comments on The Breakfast Club.’

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

He just doesn’t like Armon😂

[@shynoel2294]

She requires improved media coaching, but in South Africa, individuals are not referred to as black, they are referred to as colored.

[@daneaspeaks6499]

She didn’t make any “coloured” comment on Breakfast Club

[@rudyl1770]

@@Jessica.Shawnteexactly because what he’s saying armon says too😂😂😂

[@jadedevereux]

@@rudyl1770I thought that too like isn’t he saying what Armon said just differently?

[@sapphscott8057]

The elevator doesn’t go all the way up with Armon. He’s always on the wrong side of things.

[@caden5152]

I think the power to that elevator gets cut frequently

[@hoonterrrr]

Lights on but no one's home type sh** SKSKSKS

[@kammore6209]

Literally always. He used to be so cool

[@vegannn7178]

@@caden5152😂😂

[@stellabellafontay9366]

Pretty much.

[@_NoHandle_]

Any country that wasn't affected by colonizing Europeans has definitely been affected by Western media. So, colorism is a worldwide issue that many people like to ignore. I don't like how Tyla's team tries to simultaneously market her as racially ambiguous while also positioning her as having proximity to and ownership of a Black identity. It all seems very curated and disingenuous. At least, that's the vibe that I get. I wish her the best, though.

[@Jayme9296]

It didn't work to well, that is why she is around Black American spaces. They know the Taylor Swift, country music, and Latin women are not going to follow her like that. So NOW SHE BLACK. Unfortunately, her SA fans insulted Black American women by calling us all jealous. That is ridiculous. She only made one hit song. Yet, BAW are " haters." Since they feel that way, let other countries support their DARLING Tyla.

[@hey4151]

@@Jayme9296that’s only them projecting their insecurities on us. As American people we are not shy of mixed races and come into proximity with all cultures, backgrounds of people related to race and ethnicity. Them upholding Tyla the way they do is in part national pride and insecurities bc they wanna be and look like her and subconsciously praise euro features.

[@coolkidruby3429]

How is is “pretending to be black” she’s being very South African.. she didn’t change anything but the brands

[@Lisette121]

Yup

[@Rtbj335]

@@_NoHandle_ same here I agree with this comment

[@islandgirl8067]

I noticed that Tyla didn't seem to have any trouble holding that grammy she won. 🤔

[@KingofReads]

🙃

[@Ali-py2ck]

The weights are different. That moon man is heavy. I interned at a record label many moons ago and that VMA award felt about 20lbs. I had to ship it to the artists home after the award show. I needed a cart to wheel it out to the mailroom.

[@bronxkies]

@@Ali-py2ck True, but she can't hold it for 15-30 seconds? It's too heavy for her and her pretty dress to hold it but the people who have to stand there and watch her accept the award have to hold it? I'm not trying to come for you at all (I hope it doesn't seem that way) I'm just saying that she's gotta learn to do better.

[@kitsontuli2713]

They don't weigh the same. Also many artists have commented on how heavy the moon man award is

[@ReadyForTheEnd]

@@Ali-py2ckshe sure held it for the red carpet pictures though.

[@cbsyll]

She just comes off as really awkward to me tbh I’m not running to say she’s innocent nor a mean girl, you’re right in saying we don’t know her so ppl need to stop being so emotionally charged about shit in either direction fr. Also another angle of the interaction was posted that showed she was never targeting Halle to hold the award

[@bullso919]

I think the powers want her to be a more talented Rihanna and she is giving off Rihanna bad gal look and attitude and it comes off as stuck up

[@Model_Roe]

She was out of pocket and as much as I love Tyla I do not think she would have done this to Sabrina Carpenter or Shawn Mendes respectully it was very much giving she is this exotic Indian South African with type 3 a hair and telling the help to hold her awards she is young so hopefully she will learn

[@bullso919]

@@Model_Roe she was telling lil nas x to grab it not Halle

[@tylerhackner9731]

I think people are blowing this out of proportion tbh. She’s more awkward than diva

[@LoneWulf278]

I agree. Rihanna had the same vibe. But she pulled it off better because she’s just a naturally cooler person. 😂

[@iceprincess13]

​@@LoneWulf278 never thought of it like this but this makes a lot of sense! Rihanna is cheeky with it too.

[@lrs1519]

I said to someone else that there’s something I can’t put my finger on about her. I think you cracked it. It’s an awkwardness about her that comes off.

[@LoneWulf278]

@@iceprincess13 Right. Nicki Minaj is also very much a diva. But she’s funny, so she was able to garner a huge fanbase without it really hurting her in the beginning. Unfortunately, Tyla just doesn’t have the “IT” persona to make people okay with her being that way. Idk. I think she is very likable when she’s being respectful and normal. But I’m gonna give her the benefit of the doubt and assume her team is modeling her to be the next (“bad gal”) Rihanna. The shoe just doesn’t fit. 🤷‍♀️

[@iceprincess13]

@@LoneWulf278 yes! Nicki's theatrical with it too which makes it entertaining. I wish Tyla's team would allow her to simply be herself because no one is gonna be a better Tyla than Tyla. the comparisons to Rihanna (which I honestly believe stem from her team pushing out that narrative) have done absolutely NOTHING to help her. you can't mimic someone who is still so relevant & iconic in pop culture because you will lose every single time the shoe most definitely does not fit.

[@23CheekyChick]

People may very well have been waiting for a moment to pounce on Tyla but this scenario (along with others) has rubbed many people the wrong way. I do in fact think the whole exchange was tacky on stage, from her not grabbing the cards from Halle who was clearly motioning her to take it, to asking the presenters (fellow, BLACK, more notable artists) to hold it the way she did. But I see it as an inherent lack of respect for those around you type thing. Had the lady who assisted her from her seat to the stage been asked to hold her award, I honestly don’t believe anyone would have had an issue. I think it was the lack of procedures in place that made it look tacky; as if she lacked tact to keep asking the way she did and didn’t respect the fact she’d be given this award. I think her defiant unwillingness to hold it, also emphasized to many they don’t believe she really earned this award or involved herself with the process it took to get it because from their perspective she fast tracked fame. Ultimately, I just think shawty is often tacky as heck and socially awkward. Down to staring in the camera, as she suddenly stopped dancing to Mamushi 😂. The lack of media training is clear. The confidence due to desirability, pretty privilege and knowing the right people will cape protects her from any real repercussions got her moving a certain way. But if she step too far as a POC, who DOESN’T identify as black YET continually using black people as props or to hold objects she def will see her fame fall as quickly as Daniel Caesar or even the ShxtnGigs Podcast.

[@sandrabristerloggins4281]

It wasn't that serious y'all 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@deescorpio8454]

Yes! I agree with you! Two things can be true. Yes, there is a lot of xenophobia going on when it comes to Tyla, HOWEVER, she is desirable! As for as her being a mean girl, we don’t know yet. Now, if she ends up being a mean girl, it will not surprise me. Because honestly, she does come off a certain way.

[@lrs1519]

To your latter point, yes…there is something I can’t quite put my finger on about her that’s not quite all the way likable.

[@Supachosen]

@@lrs1519I feel like she’s wearing a mask. Pretty girl but something is off

[@lrs1519]

@@Supachosen yeah it’s hard to figure out. But nice song I guess lol

[@Tyyy13]

Thank you for calling Armon out, KOR, but now he will go back and make a video about you :(

[@WhatTheFuss]

And KOR will remain unbothered!!😂😂😂

[@celondelon351]

I feel like Tyla expects everyone to know who she is and comes off as entitled that doesn’t mean she’s a mean girl but it’s not for me. Who she really is will reveal itself eventually anyways.

[@dejtv956]

Its been revealing its self for a while now 😭😭

[@northrnstar]

tbh i just feel it as blown over proportion. granted, i can see why especially black people would feel iffy about her bc of that one photoshoot and the fact she doesn't declare herself as black, but she comes off as more awkward and "raw" in the industry than actually entitled or a "diva". she's 1 year younger than me and tbh i kinda see similar behavior with people in this age range. sure, i think she must be held accountable when she does odd things and she benefits from featurism and desirability, but a lot of the current critique just sounds based on xenophobia and stereotyping.

[@zeefaaldown3231]

💯

[@Kayla-kd8ov]

Facts

[@cebilesibisi5372]

Am from South Africa 🇿🇦..here Tyla is not black she knows nothing about black culture. She always said she coloured

[@yoloti9993]

Yeah she's not Black apha 😂 and even we don't acknowledge her as black, she knows if she identified as black South African black people and coloured people will drag her to filth because being black in Africa is not a buffet table.

[@jessicamcdaniels2337]

Well she better learn and fast

[@nompilodube2765]

There is nothing to learn because that is her culture. She did not grow up black she grew up coloured so you expect her to just wake up one day and erase all that she know to please people. Bfr​@@jessicamcdaniels2337

[@janomesteve3129]

The hate started that day she said she is coloured which she is proud 2 be

[@philizeed8938]

yep

[@Pbear815]

She has pretty privilege. She will be a non-story as soon as the next pretty girl comes along. She needs to develop her talent if she wants some longevity.

[@ms.x1669]

I think she's convinced her looks will keep her career alive but there's so many pretty talented girls who started off on a high then dissapear.

[@kimmyw010]

‼️

[@Nottiy]

Definitely!! Especially given most of the hype around her started on tiktok and people tiktok make super famous all seem to have issues with lasting. I think it's because they get used to how much love they get on tiktok and struggle to navigate anything else Whoever her team is doesn't prep her properly. Not being media trained can be endearing in the right person, but for her, it doesn't come off that way. It makes some people wonder if she has an attitude, which is unfortunate because I don't think there's any malice behind her actions but you don't need malice to come off poorly

[@Justacuriouslady]

Not to mention her being light skinned, if she were a dark skin pretty girl she’d get less attention and more comments trying to humble her

[@darkskinfatgirl0147]

But Tyla can sing and dance, she’s actually talented

[@TeeBabyXOXO]

Initially I saw no problem. When I saw Halle try to hand Tyla the card, she waved her hand as to say “don’t hand it to me”. Atp I side eyed her intentions. I don’t understand how she can’t hold a 10-15 lb award, but the card is insane. I feel like she definitely had some ulterior motives.

[@paramorefanaddict]

She actually waved it back because she thought Halle was handing it to her, which she wasn't. She used the card to intruct her to move closer to the microphone.I mean all you have to do is think.When does a presenter hand an envelope to the winner?The winner doesn't need it.

[@jessicamcdaniels2337]

@@TeaLeaf222yeah it does make her look worse

[@rbmiddleton1979]

Sheesh y'all i didn't think it was that serious at all. Through out awards history, you've had plenty of people hold the artist's award while they talk. It's truly not that deep and I didn't expect her to have Halle hold it while a WHOLE man was standing there 🙄🤦🏾‍♂️

[@SimoneintheSkies]

Idk once ppl start describing Black ppl as “uppity” I’m tuned out. We’ve lost the plot.

[@zeefaaldown3231]

Like…

[@ms.battle9055]

She isn't Black she is coloured

[@Zen_Wrld]

She's not Black tho...

[@zingan.o.1435]

She said she's not Black....

[@Rtbj335]

@@SimoneintheSkies bc the correct terms are xenophobic and arrogance … that’s what it is 👌🏾

[@Ali-py2ck]

Lady Gaga and Olivia Rodrigo did the same thing but no one even noticed because we are living in this hyper-xenophobic environment. People are looking for something to be mad at a foreign person. I saw stupid tweets where a person said "I wish it was the 90s when there were no immigrants." I'm like what? You think immigrants came when the migrant issue became a thing during the pandemic?

[@comigirl2557]

yes but both of them asked their assistants, not their peers

[@NaijaMonroe]

@@comigirl2557so the assistants are the slaves/lower caste and not their peers??

[@eniolarotimi4907]

​@@NaijaMonroeYes, their assistants are their employees not their peers.

[@AngeBiampandou]

​@@comigirl2557Gaga asked Eminem

[@saint.hudson13]

😑 Bottom line is she has a fake, manufactured, “kiss my ring” attitude. Especially for someone who can’t even sing! She is not an Artist with a love for creating. She’s a cute girl who loves attention.

[@morningandafternoonsun]

She had no problem holding her Grammy or BET award.

[@Riel-q7l]

This has nothing to do with media training. It's called manners, you either have them or you don't. And she was definitely looking at Halle, not lil nas x to hold that award. Her song wasn't even worth all that attention. People are Rihanna deprived always looking for the next Riri in anybody.

[@emmydubyew8903]

Very interesting point. I never thought of that

[@NotSo-Typikal]

🎯

[@123kymar]

See yall just mad at her success...and as a jamaican living in Jersey,,,,,here me when i say NOBODY COMES TO AMERICA FOR MORAL GUIDANCE AND TO LEARN WHAT "MANNERS" IS from Americans HAHHAHAHAHAA...ITS LAUGHABLE YALLL UNCOUTH ASF

[@princess_haziel]

It’s crazy because there’s something about her that I thought was a bit off, but I couldn’t put my finger on It. But I don’t think she’s arrogant or a mean girl, I feel like tyla is just vain not uppity… kinda like Kylie Jenner when she does extremely lackadaisical TikToks. Tyla is obsessed with herself because she is pretty and has anxiety so she finds comfort in always making sure she’s looks good or pretending to have what looks like confidence. Which is why she’ll be extremely awkward at times.. To her she just trying be cute and fit in, to everyone else she look like she’s seems uppity because she so pretty, but I don’t thinks a purposeful thing I only say this because I used to be like this.

[@titlepending1302]

You look very average

[@Kayla-kd8ov]

​@@titlepending1302 insulting someone is not going to change an experience that the commenter has been through

[@luxemeee3915]

lol when a person of color have high confidence y’all always trying to humble them like be so fr she is a very pretty girl and she knows it lol if I looked like tyla I would think I’m the shit too y’all are mad haters for no reason

[@princess_haziel]

@@luxemeee3915 no one is hating on her… you are literally admitting that you would be vain too… just because Tyla is an attractive person that doesn’t make her free from criticism or human experiences… I also never tried to humble her. My comment was stating, she’s not doing this with ill intent. which means she is not a girl or arrogant… she’s just a pretty girl that has been mistaken to be that way.

[@princess_haziel]

@@titlepending1302 you can be vain and still be average… also I used to be like that when I was younger and I definitely wasn’t average then or now

[@SpiritLedLisa]

Are people BORED??? Why is THIS an issue?? Surely there's got to be something better to talk about 😅

[@pettybythepound]

The issue with Tyla is she feels she doesn't have to learn the social norms of the demographic she's pandering to. She subscribes to the propaganda about Black Americans and Americans in general-just a theory. Don't eat me up!

[@emmydubyew8903]

She's known worldwide. She doesn't have to conform to America.

[@timmysleftnutsack5075]

Girl her biggest music consumers are European and South African. Not every thing is about black Americans, she doesn’t have to pander to no black folks in America😂. She’s South African and she caters to her South African community

[@pettybythepound]

​@emmydubyew8903 I didn't say that. Read to understand instead of skimming to respond. It boils down to respect. If she can display it some places, she can display it all places. Be well.

[@denisethamenace8322]

@@emmydubyew8903if she wants to be successful over here, she actually does.

[@chinenyenwamuoneke]

Social...norms?

[@naturistfred]

Tyla needs just needs more experience and etiquette. Look what Clive Davis did for Whitney. She was the epitome of class, grace and sophistication. Tyla's team needs work on that for her.

[@Justacuriouslady]

A LITTLE LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK, I hate this whole thing of Tyla not needing etiquette and manners to be a better star, I always refer to other singers who have been known to be divas in their career but still had that sense of grace and elegance to balance it.People need to realise that manners are timeless and that being catty never got anyone farther in life, just ask Ice Spice.This mean girl gimmick nowadays is just so cliche I miss my graceful queens😩

[@HonorableSienna]

Why is everyone being called ignorant and stupid for not like this person. The industry has decided they want her to be in Black American space and is forced to her on us. I don’t see the problem with people express concern about another foreign eating off our culture.

[@ebonymoore525]

Exactly 💯

[@toribabe1000]

I'm sorry but she's being a typical south african that's what's making u uncomfortable

[@Ckhan13]

But what about Burna Boy, or Rema ?? Y’all never have to say anything about them but when it comes to a female y’all got to say a loooooot. Jealousy is not a good thing

[@TinoZSN]

‘Foreign eating off our culture’… so how do we feel about Beyoncé’s Black is King in that context?

[@JACK-OMARI]

​@@Zen_Wrld Burna Boy never said Black Americans have no culture. He said black American don't have a base outside Anerica like Asian Americans, Mexican Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans etc.

[@skyetranqille9534]

Rihanna is a billionaire so I have beef, but she also was a thin, light skinned, desirable young woman and did not act like that lol

[@LoveK1]

They literally would call her “Bad girl Riri” and I still don’t remember her ever acting like this.

[@skyetranqille9534]

@LoveK1 never, and she's really loved despite also not being American so idk.

[@Tobzzzz_]

The hate Tyla is getting is so forced to me 😭 Olivia rodrigo asked for someone to hold her award as well. Why is it a problem when Tyla does it?

[@berryrl9]

Olivia - mixed with white Tyla - mixed with black I sum it up as simple as it can gets

[@vegannn7178]

@@Tobzzzz_ Girl bye, both are annoying entitled airheads

[@JamieLeeCoitus]

⁠@@vegannn7178 girl boooooooo

[@comigirl2557]

@@berryrl9 olivia did not ask her peer to hold it for her, and someone offered to take it for her

[@Tobzzzz_]

@@comigirl2557 so what? She asked lil nas to hold it. What’s the big deal?

[@theamazingdoubleA]

Tyla has a lot of nuance to her rise that would make it FAIR to believe there was shady energy. Its the “I'm colored” moments, the black men as props debacle, now this. Tbh I just think she is foreign 😂😂😂😂 and don't know the nuances of black culture in America. BUT being as tho she is praised in our spaces, taking UP space……she needs to learn. And quickly. There is a lot she has to learn about African American Etiquette ESPECIALLY as a mixed raced woman IN the space.

[@maryanne2025]

This girl going to be in history books and African American studies literature 😅

[@brooklyndecember]

Terms is foreign. Rhianna is foreign. Lupita is foreign. The ist goes on. They don't have these problems. Tyla keeps bumping her head . In her country shes not labeled as "Black" so i think she resents having to be placed in Black spaces. All that aside, there are a few examples of her behaving obnoxious towards people.

[@theamazingdoubleA]

@@brooklyndecember I could see that I will say tho that Rihanna at first did have a similar reputation people just forget lol and Tems is a dark skinned woman in general and is probably hyper aware of that in America. There is a lot there with Tyla…….i think she was being self centered but is so used to it she didn't think WE would notice but because of our social norms……we felt it instantly

[@alkahinat4558]

She better be telling the people she isn’t fully black, because at 25% of black genes, she most definitely isn’t a bw. More of the mixed girlies need to be honest like that.

[@vegannn7178]

Exactly, she want acceptance in a culture she don’t wanna acknowledge

[@theessencesbunnyjourney5410]

She was definitely entitled. 😅

[@shannacollins8371]

Tyla indirectly treated her like the help. Not cool.

[@ninaedwards345]

Yep

[@xr2kid]

Entitled how she weigh like a 100 pounds that award 10% of her weight. Like what??

[@naturistfred]

She comes off as spoiled princess.

[@brooklyndecember]

There are so many examples of her behaving entitled and obnoxious. The way people going in to protect her is just another example of how she's being catered to. Armon has said much worse about BLACK WOMEN who don't pass the paper bag test.

[@rumademedoit]

tyla was not being entitled for asking lil nas to hold her award. she did not ask halle and her and halle both tweeted that ppl were making it weird. ppl are still upset about her being coloured and using any excuse to project whatever they think on to her. if people are gonna call the girl entitled at least have a valid reason and not a warped chronically online reason. its sad that that 5 second clip has caused people to project the most outlandish stuff on her. i think this is a case of internet hysteria , truly

[@alkahinat4558]

I actually think it’s a mix of two things-yes, internet hysteria and a reason to cyber jump her after her coloured comments…but also it did look weird. I don’t think it was intentional malice though. Least I hope not

[@comigirl2557]

but people have been calling her mean before that its not just that clip its others too

[@gvgrll]

And it’s always women. The hate from women is just sad and pathetic. Tyla is talented, confident, successful and that garners more hate than love unfortunately. Fans love her, she’s not being “forced” on us by the industry and now her being light skin is being thrown in. Women wishing on her downfall so bad cause every single man hand probably their boyfriends and husbands) are crushing on her. She has her own personality and is refreshing, she does not have to fit into this American standard box, she is her own person. HATING JEALOUS UGLY WOMEN NEED TO GET OVER IT.

[@nompilodube2765]

​@@comigirl2557mean when what had she done before that? You probably can't even tell me because it's stories made up in their little minds to believe that she is somehiw antiblack for being honest about her identify

[@comigirl2557]

@@nompilodube2765 I dont even peoples main criticisms was that she was anti black but that that they thought she was better everyone, but of course this criticism came from a lot of black people so..

[@tasha2698]

Energy doesn’t lie. If I felt a real sisterhood, of course grab the award. Halle didn’t because she knew and that’s that. I love Tyla but if you’re trying me, I will show you 💯💯

[@prettynikky2097]

People say “Energy doesn’t lie,” but remember, Energy is also perception.

[@MENACE-km6bd]

​@@prettynikky2097 THIS. There's a difference between discernment and subconscious bias. It's important to know them.

[@Eddyeden11]

Perception is your own energy. Energy from others doesn't lie. I'm pretty neutral on the situation, but if you took the way Tyla snatched that grammy from that South African official and held it up high, the way she waved away her assistant (who could have held her award) and even waved Halle away for trying to give her the award card, it all comes off as entitled.​@@prettynikky2097

[@prettynikky2097]

@@MENACE-km6bd ♥️

[@devilishlycrowned]

She never asked halle she asked nas

[@taliajournee212]

Justin I know you are not from the continent but SA has many issues around colorism although different from the history in the US. I don't know if you were privy to the whole controversy around Miss South Africa a few weeks ago. Adetshina (a non ambiguous SA and Nigerian woman) was forced to step down because she was thought to be Nigerian only or not South African enough. She was replaced by a whole white walker who then won. South African's have a lot of luggage just as black Americans do around race and colorism. I think Tyla is awkward and needs media training but also isn't being held to the same standard because she is not a dark skinned black woman. Time will tell but I feel her 15minutes will be up soon.

[@sufi8903]

😂😂😂😂 She was replaced by a white person... & she's not South Africa... Nigeria and SA have a long history neither country would allowed the other to represent them... 😂😂😂😂😂

[@bernardsally7870]

Tyla and Ice Spice do benefit from desirability, but Tyla is actually talented. People don’t like the fact that Tyla knows what she has going on. Also pop stars and divas never hold anything, that’s why Halle wouldn’t hold it cuz she doesn’t hold anything either,I don’t see the big deal.

[@jessicamcdaniels2337]

Right so why did she ask Halle of all people? 😂

[@bernardsally7870]

@@jessicamcdaniels2337 I really think she was looking for lil nas x to hold it in my opinion

[@jessicamcdaniels2337]

@@bernardsally7870 I don't understand why she did that either 😂

[@dontchawannaknow1080]

I appreciate your REAL-ASS channel. I’m in.❤

[@mariametheexplorer]

As an african, I do think that Tyla didn't have to ask anyone to hold her award, and the way she asked too.... You do that shit in Guinea, you will be cussed out 😅

[@rayeparis7016]

omg i’m guinean too and facts all of them would be talking ish about you🤣

[@Mindyours1999]

I’m so glad you made this video. Agreed with every talking point. I want to add that just as colorism socializes it’s benefactors to expect certain treatment, her being a thin woman also comes with a certain treatment that informs the way she handled herself on the VMA award stage. She said in her tweet after the controversy that she and Halle are “just girls” implying that Nas was the one expected to hold her trophy. Cardi B even came out to defend, explaining that the award is heavy and Tyla is “ so small” she couldn’t stand in heels and accept the award. So here’s the thing: in 25 years of broadcasts no abled person has ever needed assistance in this way. (Edit: apparently this year Gaga also asked Eminem to hold her award. It doesn’t negate my point. I’ve watched this show my whole life. The award only weighs 7 pounds. This is very new behavior that the girls are performing helplessness on award stages.) This behavior of late, especially amongst thin women “I’m just a girl.. so I need a man to open my jar” begs the question… if Nas was not standing there, instead there had been two presenters who were “girls”… who would have been expected to hold her award for her? Would she have stood there and held it herself? Would she have called back the assistant who was with her to collect it so she could give her acceptance speech? It’s just convenient that we accept that this professional dancer is too “fragile and weak” to hold her own award just as women have done many years…. We would not give this type of grace to a darker skinned woman who was not thin. She really didn’t have a good reason to expect the other presenters who are also her peers to do her bidding. Not “mean” not “rude” or even “entitled”… just like you said… it was just awkward and unpolished.

[@WinxMagicalHero]

Olivia Rodrigo and Gaga asked other people for the same type of assistance. Eminem was the one who held Gaga’s

[@Mindyours1999]

@@WinxMagicalHero it’s sad that after years of women being able to hold their own awards that y’all are now saying it’s commonplace and acceptable that we should start pretending we can’t hold a seven pound weight. I honestly feel that this is a performative behavior. Those able bodied women cannot hold seven pounds without help? My granny can hold a seven pound weight w no problem…also this does not negate my point because Gaga and Olivia are both thin. Like I said. Thin women perform helplessness, and it’s coming in fashion for us as thin women to make it known we are too smol and weak to do things. “I’m just a girl!” Is a viral meme and this is not coincidental. As we fall further into fascism and “thin is in” continues to be normalized we will see more of this “oh help me! I might just faint if I a big strong man isn’t here to catch me what ever will I do”… that’s how we sound asking a man to hold a seven pound award for us lol.

[@akeria5882]

I also thought about all the criticism and backlash Nas would’ve faced had he NOT held the award! She put them all in a really bad position.

[@sjlewis271]

I honestly don't care for the next foreign biracial sensation herself. But I do think that her not wanting to hold her award was just personal preference. Last I remembered, there was a table with the mic to sit your moon man on. What happened to that?!It didn't call for all this. I really don't care. Her music is a snooze fest and I don't even know what she won for.😒

[@QueenZsWorld]

I think there's a cultural barrier, because as a South African, I can tell she was joking & asking for help in a funny way but people didn't understand it cause in America, that's not the vibe.

[@tricksgrl2]

I don’t think it is that big of a deal. Seem like fake outrage to me. They never been that mad at R. Kelly.

[@User-gftfbiu3454]

You’re talking about the wrong generation though. Regardless of if you agree with the criticism or not.

[@zeefaaldown3231]

👀

[@LoveK1]

@@User-gftfbiu3454right. Wasn’t gen x riding for R.Kelly?

[@User-gftfbiu3454]

@@LoveK1 Yup. Tyla’s target audience is gen z, gen alpha, and probably millennials. Typically our generations are very active in condemning people like R Kelly.

[@teedasawaneh471]

IMO Americans reaction to Tyla has created a diaspora war between black Americans and South Africans on social media. Now anything that Tyla does that is not in our standards is being picked apart which is further the division. A civil conversation can clear everything up because there’s ignorance in both parties. Instead of berating each other.

[@chinenyenwamuoneke]

Also tyla asked lil nas x to hold her award not halle

[@nopeimnotsorry9472]

She flung that thing back in both their direction. She didn’t discriminate.

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

She asked both of them.. she just didn’t want to get chewed up even more so she said she didn’t ask her

[@teeraynee]

@@Jessica.Shawnteno another video angle taken by someone who was there showed that she was asking Lil Nas X.

[@christal9440]

Tyla’s current flow of her career reminds me of Ice Spice’s hype when she was getting popular. And we can see where Ice Spice is headed, that’s all I’m saying. Tyla’s her own person, and I’m just gonna continue to observe silently.

[@kimmyw010]

⏰️😊

[@kelsilulu]

True, but Tyla actually has talent. Ice spice doesn’t do anything but twerk

[@Nottiy]

​@kelsilulu true she's at least talented but it can be a career killer as a new artist if the " rude" or " entitled " judgement sticks.

[@delightful75]

@@kelsiluluwe’ve seen talented people lose their careers for being nasty to people

[@yamsnmac]

There was another video showing from the back that Tyla was actually trying to get Lil Nas’ attention and ask him. I think what is most annoying about this whole situation, is that it brought diaspora wars up again.

[@emmydubyew8903]

This!

[@dinaheredia1335]

Tyla knew she doesn't deserve that award, she's not an Afro beats artists and the industry wants to make her the face of Afro beat she knows she doesn't deserve it. Where is Tems, where is Ayra star? Come on guys. She even said it herself she's an amapiano/pop artist.

[@denisethamenace8322]

It gave microagression. Saying “I don’t do awards”……..but you’re at an award show?? Even chapelle roan say her award on the ground to be able to do what she has to do. Then afterwards, Ms. Water managed to muster up the strength to hold the award to take pictures with. It’s just giving microagression to me

[@coriongibbs8256]

Ms. Water is hilarious

[@coolkidruby3429]

Do you know what that word means?.. micro aggressions towards who?

[@kyvienjne]

@@coolkidruby3429 exactly ..was was thinking the same thing......

[@TrulyMademoizelle]

How????

[@darkskinfatgirl0147]

Maybe the problem here is dialect or understanding, as a South African I kinda understand what she meant, I think culture and language too are a barrier and she’s not willing to change

[@nataliabrizan]

Not even Taylor or Beyonce ask ppl to hold their awards. Tyla could of just rested it down, simple. Yes the gives uppity, but you all will catch on to her as time goes by. And she keeps doing things like this.

[@imaraoctavia]

I agree with the resting it down. Chappell did that and nobody cared

[@rucianapollard4057]

It would have been very disrespectful to put the award on the floor 😒

[@darkskinkeisha]

@@rucianapollard4057plenty of ppl have done it & nobody would care.

[@teeraynee]

@@darkskinkeishaplenty of people have asked people to hold their award and nobody cared about that either.

[@darkskinkeisha]

@@teeraynee I hope tyla is paying you to defend this hard 😘 have the day you deserve. You just wanna be combative, toodles.

[@Colorz.]

The Breakfast Club interview definitely left a bad taste in my mouth… However I don’t blame her, I blame who’s training her. Not just getting the proper training here in North America but within any country you go to. Read the room. 👩🏾‍🏫

[@beautifulfaith52]

Love king of reads!!

[@toombs6287]

Yes

[@coffeebean4356]

People wanna find a reason to hate her so bad

[@duetforherbivores]

Struggling so hard lol.

[@Rtbj335]

@@coffeebean4356 we have many

[@ShinyWay1990]

Tyla was able to hold her award during the photo ops 😂😂

[@butterberry4997]

Exactly I didn’t see nobody in tht pic holding her award never seen any American or anyone who won any award and did wht she did… it was like she was thinking I came to your country and won an award and im going to make you hold it for me

[@WinxMagicalHero]

They take the photos with replicas

[@pump1180]

@@butterberry4997lol she only held the award for a picture then handed it back to her team. You’re reaching with this one

[@Angbwillinspireu]

Who asked for Tyla? Give us more Jazmine Sullivans, CoCo Jones, Victoria Monet, SZA, Chloe Bailey etc PERIODT.💯🎉💐💐💐💐💃🏽👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 No Sir! Tyla's situation has nothing to do with "Diaspora Wars". There are South Africans I like, such as Amamkele Qamata & Khosi Ngema from the Netflix series 'Blood & Water' .

[@yoloti9993]

Tyler is not just for American audience sweety, GLOBALLY people want Tyler and they asked for her. It's not about what y'all want

[@JamieLeeCoitus]

@@AngbwillinspireuI asked for tyla!

[@fkfkfkl09505]

Well clearly someone did and that’s why she’s there dingbat! You’re listing out all of these other women are YOU supporting their careers other then just using them as comment foder?

[@LadyOO]

@@yoloti9993 then let her go over there. Multi century Americans, aka true Americans, did not ask for her.

[@yoloti9993]

@@LadyOO Nuh she can go wherever the FUCCCK she want to go. Stop listening to her music and let the baby do her thing. Why y'all jealous of her as if y'all made her? Is it because she gets more attention than your ratchet pop stars without doing too much? It's not about y'all, it was never about y'all. Tyler is marketed to EVERYONE NOT BLACK AMERICANS, STOP WITH THE ENTITLEMENT

[@BEE56214]

I don't think she is rude i think she's just socially awkward....

[@bigjason6259]

VERYY

[@jonnielgreenidge4739]

I’m like this too I’m socially awkward too and to some people my demeanor might come off like I have an attitude. But sometimes I just don’t know what to say sometimes and I start overthinking things.

[@Intentionaltia]

Oh please, everyone wants to be socially awkward as if it’s a good thing. She ain’t socially awkward, she just doesn’t have any etiquette or manners.

[@bigjason6259]

@@Intentionaltia I'd argue against that, watching Justin's video I agree that she really just lacks media train. Nothing she's done has been truly rude it could just be done ALOT better

[@Rtbj335]

@@BEE56214 and prejudice

[@kaylabey]

there’s a way to criticize someone without being xenophobic and using stereotypes. there are so many artists from the continent of africa who are not stuck up. a perfect example is tems, she’s nigerian and super duper nice and humble and hilarious! she’s also a stunning woman! tyla comes across as a mean girl period. it’s not anything to do with the continent, it’s got everything to do with how she was raised. it’s 2024, we have to stop being xenophobic. we have to stop assuming that africans think they’re better . that’s a projection.

[@yepitsme933]

Enough of them carry this mindset to say that it’s definitely a problem to point out. A lot of them do think they’re better than black Americans just based off the fact that they have a culture. Like black Americans don’t have a culture or anyone else for that matter. It’s the same way Italians born in Italy treat Italian Americans. They don’t even challenge each other when they’re xenophobic towards black Americans, for the some who don’t think that way.

[@zoras9371]

I'm a first-generation west african, born and raised here in the states. A lot of west Africans I grew up around do think they're better. There's a whole term used in my community that is derogatory towards black Americans. You're right, xenophobia isn't the way, but can understand why folk are perceiving an air of entitlement.

[@JACK-OMARI]

​@@yepitsme933 Bro you can't generalize an e tire continent tho.

[@pinkloves23]

@@zoras9371 there’s a whole term used by African-Americans to degrade Africans, African booty scratcher. There’s fault on both sides.

[@LoveK1]

@@JACK-OMARIpeople do it to North America all the time.

[@SuperMiIk]

Im not gonna lie. (Some) petite and dainty women have this complex. Obviously not entirely their fault but theyre so used to people not letting them lift a finger, so whenever they come to expect it from EVERYONE (for example tyla wanting halle, who isnt much bigger than tyla, to hold her award) and they just get a massive reality check when people dont automatically do those things

[@ronip_baddiebarbzrihanna5083]

Uhmm, MJ, Beyonce, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Cardi B, Olivia Rodrigo and tons of artists have asked people to hold their awards...this is getting dragged out. Armon was wrong for what he said, its disrespectful and Xenophobic. All this takes away from Tyla speech that African Music is More than Afro beats and Amapiano.😢

[@rm3860]

Honestly, I usually agree 99% with your takes. I am not necessarily a Tyla fan but I do think she is talented and can’t be grouped in with Ice Spice. As an African I think it’s important not to overlook the immense discrimination and ridicule that we have often been subjected to by Afro-descendants from the Americas. So her embracing the “entitled” and “uppity” African label, one which undoubtedly speaks to what i described before is powerful. Now, do I think she even knows what that fully means - no. I definitely don’t. But it stands for “my african-ness shouldn’t create a different behaviour standard”. I also that in labouring the point about colourism and desire, you could’ve also taken a second to recognise how different colour is in the South African context. As well as the reality that being desired isn’t all it’s chalked up to be, especially for POC where it often amounts to fetishizing. She also made a necessary point about african music which speaks to the broader essentialism that people use to look at the African continent, and no it’s not JUST white people, Afro-descendants do the exact same thing. So whilst I agree she is not the most media savvy, I look at this from a different perspective.

[@titlepending1302]

Well she honestly needs to understand while in America she's considered blk

[@sideeyeenergy8648]

Did you even watch his video? He is talking about colourism through the AA lens, since Tyla is trying to break into the US industry that is what hes talking about. You are just talking for the sake of talking. Go back and watch his video and put your thinking cap on. Smfh!

[@rm3860]

@@titlepending1302 that is true. But when American artists try to enter new markets do they take time to understand any nuances of that society?

[@rm3860]

@@sideeyeenergy8648 no I didn’t. I just commented for the sake of it as opposed to commenting to potentially speak on this from another perspective. There was more to this moment and he touches on the South African v American issue spawned by some of Tyla’s comments. So if African-ness is being spoken on alongside colourism, there is no reason why it cannot be focused on by a commentator.

[@LadyOO]

Tyla should go to Africa if she wants to be accepted. Black Americans didn’t go to Africa to taunt Africans, y’all came to us.

[@JamieLeeCoitus]

Everytime I hear of Tyla controversy, it’s the most petty s h!! You can think of. Let this girl breathe MY GAAWDD

[@kaylabey]

is tyla really light skinned though? she looks brown to me

[@LadyOO]

Girl bye😒 that’s like asking “is Kelly Rowland really dark skin because she looks brown to me”.

[@flyflyfly2123]

She’s considered light skin and racially ambiguous

[@AlexanderRi4408]

Just a respectful disagreement, I think that there is so much defense of Tyla online because her conversations tend to be dominated by diasporic tensions. I’m confident that colorism affects this, but I think there is a strong amount of xenophobia & pro-American rhetoric that comes from these debates too, and Black folks who are South African or non American are defending things that Americans truly may not understand. I think this is one area where it’s also helpful to understand that all of us inhabit the power & privilege scale & it’s always helpful to check all of our own biases. I think we ALL get up in arms when we feel personally affected & there is a sense to dismiss people who are disagreeing with us as “not getting it” or being biased when they are literally saying the same things about us. Tyla conversations bring out a type of American chauvinism in very leftist thinkers that I don’t think is examined enough: you’re here now, so do what we want you to do or leave, is often the sentiment. It’s almost like the only time we become nationalists is during these types of diaspora misunderstandings. I think that is most evident in how in each of these conversations leftist Americans & Immigrant Black content creators who are typically aligned come away with such drastically different interpretations of these things.

[@ayonnajonae3043]

Honestly, it seems like Armon is in a similar space that you were in when you first started making videos. You displayed a lot of harmful and ignorant rhetoric, but you eventually grew from that. So I think it’s fair to allow him space to grow as well. I am a supporter of both of you and I never agree with everything thatyou all say, but I’ve learned to filter out what does not resonate with me.

[@SIMONE_F]

You're givin a 60 sec thank you speech hold your award and move on!!!!!!! Why are you taking extra time to turn around and ask some1 to hold your award yall need to stop coddling these ppl cuz they cute

[@TronTheTramp]

Armon is annoying

[@rucianapollard4057]

Who???

[@amberalert451]

i just feel like the discourse has gotten out of control and it simply wasn’t that serious 😭

[@TheRachelrenee1]

But she does give of those negative entitled vibes😂

[@dimelaschey3748]

Yassss he uploaded, love me some King of reads!

[@LeeMubai33]

Y'all are dragging this Tyla situation. She asked Nas to hold the statue because it was heavy. WHO CARES?!

[@EnhleNg]

Literally 😭 they're so... Ugh

[@longhappylife6209]

Her fans are keeping it going. There everywhere calling Black Americans ugly, slaves and everything else.

[@darkskinkeisha]

& im guessing you treat people like the help too

[@darkskinkeisha]

But tyla could hold that Grammy, to the point when she was OFFERED help she politely took it from the “help” to hold her OWN award. But now it’s too heavy. & a Grammy looks heavier than a vma.

[@LeeMubai33]

@@darkskinkeisha Kim there's people that are dying.

[@nlovewithtresses8296]

Hating on her...this chick was waving people off, and claiming she was too weak to hold her award. Girl stand up, then have Several Seats‼️

[@lwandolewis6026]

Nobody had this outrage for Cardi B or Olivia Rodrigo. Y'all are pathetic for dragging this out

[@LaMathonsi]

As a South Africa reading this comments in here I’ll like to clarify that coloureds and blacks don’t have any beef this side, they don’t think that they are better than us or anything. I am Swati before I am black because that’s how it is this side and I get that it might be hard for you to understand as you are all just blacks but being coloured is more than a race it is a culture on its on in SA.

[@JACK-OMARI]

Nah they do they're better, didn't you watch news when those coloured kids bullied black kids pretending to auction them like they did with slaves?

[@orangemoonglows2692]

coloureds and black in sa don't have beef. i was reading a comment by another sa who said the ones in the cape are not the same as those in durban, for instance. the ones in the cape are supposedly more white-people centric and definitely think they are better than blacks.

[@saintc7790]

The way you talk about it makes you sound like you have underlying beef. “You all are just Blacks” is a profoundly ignorant thing to say. You both insulted this man’s intelligence and diminished his people in one goofy little sentence. I’ve never heard any South African, Swati or otherwise, say anything this shady. You coulda kept that shit to your self. Find a way to make your points without exposing your poor feelings about the rest of us.

[@pump1180]

@@orangemoonglows2692tyla is from Joburg which is the capital city and is very much black dominated and centric

[@ericaj4494]

I've seen clips showing that this isn't the first time people have said that VMA award is heavy. Even their favorite Olivia Rodrigo asked someone else to hold hers because it's heavy. I think that should be expected sometimes. I'm not pressed over this, it won't be the first or the last so next topic

[@Drega001]

Is it colorism when two light skinned people have an awkward interaction?

[@Nottiy]

I don't think she was ready to be famous yet but this is probably her one shot to be big outside of SA. TikTok pushed her into the limelight before she was ready. She's very very unpolished and it can come off rude and be grating. "i dont do awards" is such a HUH?! statement but i don't think people would give her this much grace if she was more Tems or Arya -star looking. I don't think there would be many people saying "she's just awkward." It reminds me of this study that said lighter skin skinny women within the same race get shorter and less harsh prison sentences for committing the same crime as darker bigger women. Its interesting who gets to be innocent and awkward but people who rather focus on non-sense before admitting that plays apart in their reaction

[@soupafleye]

You have no idea how many times I’ve seen comments on KZbin or Twitter about we need to protect tyla we have to protect her she’s a gem let’s pray she doesn’t succumb to the industry, blah blah blah. like as if she’s some kind of goddess and you know what theres no shame or problem in encompassing goddess energy, but we all know, and as you said, you have no business defending a stranger with your life. Its weird. relax. We get it. She’s beautiful, cute, tiny🙄, sexy, light skinned, “good hair” we get it. It’s just your classic hyper feminine woman, and that right there is desirability. It’s definitely a case of colorism and fat phobia thats helping her career flourish because I know for a fact, it’s not just a beautiful face, but her being thin petite and curvy. I think Tyla is great and super beautiful and enjoyable to look at, but I’m not gonna sit here and make assumptions about her character and obsess over her.

[@Nottiy]

People don't see hyper sensitivity about 'protecting' her as another side of the obsession coin. Acting like they're about to take a bullet for her while calling people being equally rabid and negative weird. It's both weirdo behaviour. I don't know her to have strong feelings either way, she just got here. Are people extra being criticising her ? Yes but the reaction to that criticisism is so over the top and tiring.

[@Maimuna_joy]

This video is why I love you. You hit the nail on the head. I’ve been watching since you lived in Memphis! 💛Longtime fan💛

[@viperbubbles3358]

Whenever I hear ppl say someone isn’t media trained, I swear I just hear “they haven’t been reprogrammed”. Media training just sounds like another word for dismantling a persons individualism and making them a celebrity robot. Media training seems useless if you can’t please everyone. It’s the entitled and parasocial relationship ppl have with celebrities that make them think celebs should be trained to take anything and not be themselves. I also have an issue with ppl being so offended that a brown woman is portraying this dainty feminine archetype and not willing to hold a 10 lb award. Olivia Rodiguez did the same exact thing and her yt and Asian community was SILENT because they don’t disrespect their ppl like we do. Further more this hate train is fueled by xenophobia and misogyny. I see South Africans and a mixture of bLaQ Americans in support of Tyla but majority of the ppl creating false hateful narratives about Tyla is blaq Americans so we really need to expose how this hate train is just simple bullying and xenophobia. She was on Blaq Americans naughty list ever since she claimed to be coloured and that’s why she’s constantly being picked apart.

[@viperbubbles3358]

No one cares to consider cultural differences in her behavior. Idk how much nicer she could have asked for Nas to hold the award. I believe bLaQ American men dislike her due to the belief that they don’t have access to her based on her demeanor and so they are powering this hate train because of their misogyny and they are putting the batteries in bLaQ American women’s backs because it’s easy to pin women against eachother ESPECIALLY if their is an unhealed wound when it comes to the isms.

[@viperbubbles3358]

No one cares to consider cultural differences in her behavior. Idk how much nicer she could have asked for Nas to hold the award. I believe bLaq American men dislike her due to the belief that they don’t have access to her based on her demeanor and so they are powering this hate train because of their misogyny and they are putting the batteries in bLaq American women’s backs because it’s easy to pin women against eachother ESPECIALLY if there is an unhealed wound when it comes to the isms in our communities.

[@jenesishunter9674]

REALestate 😊

[@Jojo-tf2zp]

We are doing too much with this one, yall. I think a lot of people are projecting their unprocessed feelings about light skinned mixed women and rich African people in America onto her. They both said it's not that serious. Let's keep it pushing.

[@MichouThe]

This! It is not that deep😂😂

[@elvisleon754]

The breakfast club thing, she knew and her team had asked them not to ask about it and they did. So her team intervened. That's what happened.

[@DoodOverThere]

I think America exceptionalism is showing up recently in the black american online space. Especially with the international music scene coming up.

[@alkahinat4558]

Could you elaborate on this please? No smoke, I’m just interested because I think I understand what you’re saying, but not sure

[@WhatTheFuss]

I’m ecstatic that ppl of credibility continue to call Armon out for the filth, on the division he perpetually creates w/in the Hip Hop culture especially surrounding the girls! Rarely do I ever hear him come for the boys in the industry. I guess it’s easier and more attention for him viewer wise, to exploit the women of Hip Hop albeit Nikki Minaj. Thank u KOR for gathering him once again because he deserves it!

[@tmoore0131]

The hair is Giving!! ❤

[@skyetranqille9534]

I don't really know the social politics of trophy holding are but, I don't really like anyone in the story. I'm ngl something about Tyla does rub me as mean but the people calling her all these names are out of pocket And you're 100% right about Tyla not seeming conginizant of the gift being a successful entertainer is because shes used to being praised bc privilege, 1000% Yoooooo I said the same thing re the cringey bio. I was like am I wild for thinking that's too much? I would have ignored it too.

[@BaddJass]

First time seeing that Usher/Tyla video and I cannot believe this got the attention it did lmao. People have really lost the plot and need to touch grass. It honestly just makes me limit social media bc its making people idiotic. You spoke facts. “Amen” the whole video

[@aquarius489]

As someone who can be socially v awkward is it so mindblowing how her mildly awkward manner of dealing with that award that was clearly too heavy for her, is being addressed lol. It actually just seems like Black Americans and Africans need to have a long-overdue discussion and it's all getting put on Tyla... Saying this as a non-American, non-African person.

[@LadyOO]

Girl bye 😂

[@berryrl9]

And btw, Olivia Rodrigo did the same thing too, asking someone to hold her award because it’s too heavy yet we never see this long ass discussion about this. Olivia is mixed just like Tyla. But just because she’s not mixed with Black it’s ok, no one call her uppity or a mean girl. If Tyla was mixed white with Indian, nobody gives an F about this.

[@Tobzzzz_]

Facts. It’s crazy that ppl are making this such a big deal. When Olivia did it, no one said shit. Goes to show u how black America is very race sensitive

[@berryrl9]

@@Tobzzzz_and Olivia asked a black woman to hold it for her while Tyla asked a man to hold it for her

[@zeefaaldown3231]

Ong

[@janomesteve3129]

Facts

[@comigirl2557]

@@berryrl9 actually i thought i saw a whit girl in the video and the girl OFFERED to hold it for her , and was not her colleague or peer. unlike tyla who asked her presenters

[@jevans816]

“I don’t know that lady” 😂😂😂

[@mackenziemoore9057]

I love you, but calling Armon Wiggins a nobody and yall basically said the same thing is crazy🥴🤣

[@a.c5009]

It was her dramatically stopping the woman walking with her for the camera just to have someone hold her award like girl your assistant was right there..

[@Princia_xo]

Beyoncé has done this on the red carpet to an it’s her first VMA she probably did not expect it to be heavy… you guys are doing the most now

[@jessicamcdaniels2337]

@@Princia_xoshes not beyonce sis

[@pump1180]

@@jessicamcdaniels2337so because she’s not Beyoncé it means she has to act extra human?