Tyla Repeatedly Defends Her Blackness with Coloured Comments

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@pinkparis 5 ай бұрын

My husband is South African. In South Africa they literally have a separate, specific group for mixed race people called coloured. 100% black people are not considered "coloured" over here. I think us Americans tend to be a bit self-centered and don't understand the world doesn't work the same everywhere.

@thewordsmith5440 4 ай бұрын

It's not self centered if someone is getting their notoriety in black American spaces then acting like no one can question her.

@dsylla5064 4 ай бұрын

@@thewordsmith5440she had already answered the question multiple times and was even bullied online yall just too ignorant, arrogant and yes self centered.

@Casualphilosopher-db9gy 4 ай бұрын

Self-centred is the right word… some of these panellists are obnoxious

@nomandla6501 4 ай бұрын

she is acting like a young girl from jhb south Africa, and actually, her music is gaining traction because it is very different from the music that is being created in the states. she is fusing afro, pop, and piano in a refreshing manner that is capturing attention the world over.

@wb6266 4 ай бұрын

I don't think black americans would give a hoot about any of this IF Tyla wasn't trying to enter into black American culture. Whoever represents her wants to capitalize on black people supporting her, but she ISN'T black. WHY can't we reject this infiltration?

@DashcamandRingdoorbell-jg1rp 5 ай бұрын

I'm black from South African and I would like to say American culture does not dictate what the world should adhere to. Most of the panel on the show would be classified as coloured in South Africa. Race is not binary

@RVREGTAG 5 ай бұрын

That's the widest part most of them would be coloured here Race is not real

@eliflihi 5 ай бұрын

I agree. It will help stop a lot of non black Americans from attaching themselves to us when it’s convenient.

@mssummer07 5 ай бұрын

Thank you. Also, beyonce literally has mentioned being "creole" and they seem to understand what that ethnic identity is. Coloured and creole are essentially the same thing. What they don't realize that it's an official classification by the government. We literally have to tick off " coloured" when you fill in the section about race/ ethnicity on any form here in South Africa. They really can't understand the world outside of America. They have zero knowledge about other societies outside of their own.

@eliflihi 5 ай бұрын

@@mssummer07 we have no reason to understand Africa. Y’all have every reason to understand us. You all plan to live here one day. With that said, hope you all make it one day.

@TriggaTreDay 5 ай бұрын

⁠⁠you clearly don’t live in America because if you did you would know that a lot of us do know a lot about other countries. I don’t understand why other countries spend so much time thinking we live in a bubble…..😵‍💫. Yeah a bubble a lot of y’all want entry into. Also if you understood the history of what being called “colored” as a black person here in America, you would know why we find it so freakin offensive. She’s here for money and fame so the least she could do is her homework. If it was the other way around we would for sure study up on the people and culture before moving somewhere so far away. It’s her fault for not speaking on it on the breakfast club of all places. That’s it and that’s all.

@superdupersiya 5 ай бұрын

Tyla is coloured bro. American standards are not the worlds standards.

@Itsthecreative 5 ай бұрын

Amurikah don't understand nuance

@PapiMidnightt 5 ай бұрын

She fucking colored bro. These guys think the world revolve around them

@KG45Brham 5 ай бұрын

@@Itshellasauce Or you can do your research

@tamleyburds8750 5 ай бұрын

@@Itshellasauce she's explained it a million times over a million different platforms. Is she gonna have to spend her whole career needing to validate her identity in every interview?

@Itshellasauce 5 ай бұрын

@@tamleyburds8750 that explanation makes me think she’s not black, but she is African

@thanduxolonelisiwe3265 5 ай бұрын

America is having an identity crisis on Tyla's behalf.

@hotbloodedethiopian6229 5 ай бұрын

And the meltdown is truly amusing

@shawnsikhosana5022 5 ай бұрын

She’s confused that one

@kellyg5313 5 ай бұрын

I love this statement sm ❤

@hotbloodedethiopian6229 5 ай бұрын

@@shawnsikhosana5022 she? If anything the ones forcing her to their religion like ideology are. Saying someone of mixed heritage is black is like 2+2=7. It’s beyond logic regardless of its historical contexts. Further, no one should respect a group of people who don’t know how to respect other peoples history/culture and boundaries.

@shawnsikhosana5022 5 ай бұрын

@@hotbloodedethiopian6229 it’s no secret that coloureds from South African don’t consider themselves black hence I said she’s confused

@AyoKillaCam 5 ай бұрын

This is so interesting to watch…. You got Black people telling other Black people who’s really black and who’s not… wild…

@ladiesunited 5 ай бұрын

So crazy

@user-dv3kq3rm4h 5 ай бұрын

How? Tyla is NOT Blk, she a South African 'Coloured' woman- they are right.

@theultimatenewplayer9341 5 ай бұрын

In South Africa you have pure blooded black natives and then you have A separate group of Multi-Generational biracial/Multi-Ethnic coloured. But in America we're all constantly mixing so instead of there being a hard separation between blacks and Creoles we're constantly remixing so some people come out dark-skinned and some people come out the light-skinned. Dave Chappelle has more white DNA than Chris Brown but Dave Chappelle is dark skin and Chris Brown is light-skinned. Snoop Dogg is 30% Native American. So in America we're all mixed to some degree and we run the Gambit of being more or less dark-skinned/ light skin where is in South Africa The colours were completely separated from the black population and speak Afrikaans which is the same language as the whites and the black population is more or less ethnically pure and they speak their Native languages and English. So they were separated on multiple levels and culturally developed differently.

@TriniPrincess11 5 ай бұрын

I’m Afro-Caribbean and people said I’m not black I look like other black people in America it’s very interesting

@caribbeandream4247 5 ай бұрын

@@jlaw6036 How is America backwards in this case, when she's literally not Black in her homeland?

@pageantspageants4358 5 ай бұрын

All of them sitting there , they are not black in African standards, if we going to that direction!

@Whereyoubelongg 4 ай бұрын

LOL I know right. They don't even realize they very highly likely have European blood as well.

@misspzar 4 ай бұрын

Not even one of them 😂🤣😂🤣😂. That’s the funniest thing about this whole show

@Oritselababy 4 ай бұрын

Thank you

@sannmayy 4 ай бұрын

Exactly all these men are coloured too.

@mrfun4540 4 ай бұрын

Because they are no longer 100% black, yes. In africa you have to be 100% black to be referred as black African. Once you have a drop of blood of a different race, you are no longer black

@meshacknewman4697 5 ай бұрын

In SA coloured is not just about skin colour, there’s a culture and history to the coloured-ness

@RVREGTAG 5 ай бұрын

They'll never understand that It's best to not even try to explain to them

@Meatwad787 5 ай бұрын

@@RVREGTAG. That's dumb. Just keep explaining it so more people will know.

@RVREGTAG 5 ай бұрын

@@Meatwad787 at a certain point you're gonna get tired of explaining the same thing over and over Coloured is a ethnicity there are light,dark,indian,khoi,Malaysian looking Coloureds what unites them is their culture Race is a social construct made by Europeans that changes depending on where you are there is nothing biological about race

@RVREGTAG 5 ай бұрын

@@Meatwad787 they can literally just google coloureds and see how diverse they look One of the most famous coloured benni Mccarthy is literally dark skin

@oratiloeratshwafo252 5 ай бұрын

They rest of the world won't get it. I mean being coloured in SA is not just about being mixed race, it's a culture, because you do get darker skin people who are coloured in SA and get very light skin people who are Zulu or Xhosa or Sotho in SA

@ikke2757 5 ай бұрын

To see three obviously MIXED race men sitting on the couch, talking about who's Black or not, is kinda ironic.

@MIA-fq1di 4 ай бұрын

They wanna be blk so bad 😂😂😂😂now they out here projecting their insecurities on others 😂😂😂

@limofootball 4 ай бұрын

LMAO I was creasing haha

@luleska1 4 ай бұрын

😂😂

@tracie2191 4 ай бұрын

They are Black. Just because they are fair skinned doesn't mean they are not Black

@MIA-fq1di 4 ай бұрын

@@tracie2191 😂😂😂

@Eczentrik 5 ай бұрын

As a coloured from South Africa... Coloured and Black are 2 TOTALLY different cultures in South Africa beautifully respected as their OWN THiNG..

@JHB_Boy_ZAJOZI 5 ай бұрын

Facts

@raymondmora8119 5 ай бұрын

Awe

@theoriginal8106 5 ай бұрын

I hate that she put out that statement. Because it panders to the American public. It’s also dishonest. Tyla is Coloured. It would be great if Americans took the time to learn South African history. Pre 1994 Coloureds CLUNG TO THEIR PROXIMITY TO WHITENESS and would have been OFFENDED to be called Black. So no, as a Black South African, Tyler is Coloured. I don’t claim her as Black and she needs to keep the same energy as her ancestors. I bet you $100 she has a LIVING RELATIVE that has called Black South Africans Kaffirs (our equivalent of the N word) and told their kids not to ever bring one home. '94 was 30 years ago. So no thank you. She’s Coloured. To put it in to context, imagine if Louisiana Creoles PETITIONED the US government to give them more rights and access during slavery or the civil rights movement because they were of mixed ancestry and TECHNICALLY not all the way Black - would Black Americans be okay with them suddenly wanting to be called Black because being Black is now "cool"? That's basically the history of Coloureds in SA. They ASKED to be separated from Black Natives and took part in our oppression to some degree. The girl is Coloured.

@KG45Brham 5 ай бұрын

Sho my guy🤝

@Star-hg1kt 5 ай бұрын

Wow i wasnt aware of the kumbaya between the two groups.

@bejaylagrone4084 5 ай бұрын

This is why some artists don't do interviews.

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

😅😅

@Abner-gu3ve 5 ай бұрын

Exactly

@paulac875 4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Why bait her? Char should know better than try to set up a 22 year old.

@jaypay3502 4 ай бұрын

@@paulac875he did his job it was up to her to do hers but she wasn’t prepared and that’s what blew this whole thing up

@lotusphoenix8 4 ай бұрын

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@lorddlangamandla1313 5 ай бұрын

Here in SA, TYLA is a coloured girl.

@1noromeo 5 ай бұрын

Then tell tyla to keep her azz in south Africa we FBA created this music and we are no longer renting it out to the raccoons

@BabsW 5 ай бұрын

Tyla*

@lorddlangamandla1313 5 ай бұрын

@@BabsW thanks

@LarondaJackson 5 ай бұрын

But, coloured people are NOT black. Coloured people get insulted when you call them black

@TutaNA-mu8sy 5 ай бұрын

@@LarondaJacksonwhere? Colourd people are black people bruv...🤦🏽🤦🏽smh..they are just mixed

@CORYANTIDOTE 5 ай бұрын

"the black experience" like blackness was invented in America 😂

@dotmarceo 5 ай бұрын

Exactly. The term was literally invented by British colonists in the late 1600s. They gave Africans that tag to divide poor British from poor Africans. But just before that they invented the term 'white' for themselves. White, of course, meant good and pure.

@ManPursueExcellence 4 ай бұрын

It’s an American thing to impose our views on others.

@CJ_P 4 ай бұрын

They act as if the language they speak was invented by them, how can you invent "Blackness" when that term comes from the English language. I'm Zulu and we've always referred to ourselves as Black within the language, the first slaves probably referred themselves the same way in the languages they spoke in before those were stripped away, so for them to think it's an American invention is crazy to me😂

@CheezzyAlfredo 4 ай бұрын

🤔🙃Didn't the YT South Africans not invent SA's colored peoples and their beloved identity. 🤣

@CJ_P 4 ай бұрын

@@CheezzyAlfredo they didn't invent their identity, they just gave them a name they thought was appropriate, you have to understand apartheid is a combination of all oppressive regimes, colonization , segregation institutions that ever existed, apartheid was the perfect segregation system, so they drew many of their ideals from American Jim Crow laws, to freaking Nazi Germany. So how I imagine they thought of this is, these guys aren't Black, and they not Yt but they have a bit of colour so let's call them Coloureds, I'm telling you some of the ideas were so stupid you'd never imagine that they were real things. The cultural identity of Coloured people stems from Khoi San people, and other tribes, who later went on to create the Afrikaans language which was the watered down version of Dutch, spoken by Cape Malay workers.

@mikoye 5 ай бұрын

I don't know why you're so hard on her, while in Africa where she is from, the origin of blackness, no one is offended.

@carrie762 2 ай бұрын

Agree

@MEaninac 2 ай бұрын

Because in South Africa They are all brainwashed to be divided! They learned by the white that once you are mixed (colored) you are better- . For the whites who colonized the country was worth to have the locals having identity crises. Before the whites arrived there, who ever was mixed would still live in an area and identity with the values and culture of the area . They would just pick up a side - Colored is a term that shouldn’t exist anymore- it still gonna take a long time to educate a population who education was denied for decades.

@MwelwaOnCos 4 ай бұрын

The problem is that Americans think the world revolves around the USA..lol

@sithabelamandlawenkosiwodu6298 Ай бұрын

Just like how South Africans think the world revolves around them.

@23rdDegree 7 сағат бұрын

SO WHY DID SHE HAVE TOO COME TOO AMERICA TOO BE WHO SHE IS

@purplesky99876 5 ай бұрын

as an American I just find it embarrassing that this is even an issue.

@Abner-gu3ve 5 ай бұрын

Same. Why do ppl care so much? She’s her to make music, if you like it follow her, if you don’t, leave her alone

@DoDahhhhhhhhh 4 ай бұрын

@@Abner-gu3veBlack Americans dont need our music associated with the word colored. We alrdy went through that. Boycott her American influenced/stolen music and have her come back out as 100% African

@mariemuhammad5313 4 ай бұрын

@@Abner-gu3veshe’s here to capitalize off the same audience her and her followers don’t cleave to. Actually her followers tear black Americans down constantly calling them essentially self absorbed thinking the world revolves around them. Yet she’s here just to capitalize off the “black” multi billion dollar demographic. Yet we as black people won’t and don’t support our own local artists that you’ll never hear dissociating from “blackness” ie. Munilong, sevyn streeter, Chloe, normani. We really have a problem with keeping our money within our community as darker skinned peoples in America.

@thewordsmith5440 4 ай бұрын

@@Abner-gu3ve Because she is always in black experience it's not crazy. There are people questioning John Leguizamo who was always in Puerto Rican spaces yet he was Colombian.

@Abner-gu3ve 4 ай бұрын

@@thewordsmith5440 ion give af. I’m here to listen to her music, I ain’t concerned about her race. Some of y’all care way too much about race when it don’t matter

@sportsnumber1567 5 ай бұрын

It’s very unfortunate that Black Americans are scrutinising and judging Tyla on her identity and skin colour not her talent and artistry. Sad state of affairs

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know

@southwestkinema9149 5 ай бұрын

South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much.

@Abner-gu3ve 5 ай бұрын

@@southwestkinema9149true

@johnappleseed8146 5 ай бұрын

it's fucking sad she can't explain it in a interview bc her pr ppl won't let her speak about her identity

@sixer8999 4 ай бұрын

She sounds like an industry 🌿

@Cjax504 5 ай бұрын

We picked up way too much from our oppressors. It’s time for us to unlearn some of this crap.

@nellasquare2092 5 ай бұрын

Coloured is also an oppressors classification regardless of whether in the US or South Africa. Coloured people just continued acccepting it even post apartheid. It’s their choice

@Jonesybabie 5 ай бұрын

SA is in a worse state. Let them go first... while they being colonized on their own soil and accepting old school racist labels [like coloured] as though we in the antebellum South 🙄

@617Killboy 5 ай бұрын

You’re your own oppressors

@617Killboy 5 ай бұрын

Your people sold your people into slavery. Facts are facts

@617Killboy 5 ай бұрын

No one is holding you back or oppressing you! 13% or the population is responsible for 56% of the crime in the USA.

@fpsmars3681 5 ай бұрын

To be fair, she didn’t come here saying “hey yall, I’m in the sisterhood” she just came with her Afro sounds, online trends ate it up, African music as a whole is booming right now and on an incline in terms of mainstream popularity, she doesn’t owe anybody anything and she’s still being classy about it… but I get the feeling she wants to tell people off for trying to control her speech whilst being from a whole different culture

@DoDahhhhhhhhh 4 ай бұрын

She came here stealing Black American Pop/R&B/99-2000s Esthetics. Black American Culture is the reason she has a grammy. Africans STEAL from Black people in West like a bunch of colonizers. Then yall have the nerve to be offended when we judge by the standards of the culture you stole.

@englishblade 4 ай бұрын

literally, some people are so ignorant in America, they cant even understand someone being from Africa without being black, they dont see how big and diverse the continent is, Tyla is a proud South African, that doesnt mean she has to be black, she is mixed heritage, while being 100% South African

@too1508 3 ай бұрын

No she didn't, but she came over here trynna get clout especially off of BET ( BLACK entertainment TV) and other mostly black spaces to grow her lil career because her own people, South Africans, couldn't help her career take off if she stayed there😂. Everyone wanna come to America but got slick sht to say out their necks about it. So she needs to explain herself or keep her ssa in Africa with all that, and or try to come up off other racial groups in America. But don't come to America, to Black Americans with that "I don't gotta explain my racial identity" bs. South Africans be one of the main types of people showing self hate in Africa, shouldn't even be shocked 😂

@tamleyburds8750 5 ай бұрын

I am a coloured South African. I can tell you that coloured as a racial and cultural category only exists in South Africa. When you leave the country there is no coloured, you are just black. You are African. And I take pride in my blackness, my africanness. I would be pissed if someone tried to take that away from me because that is who I am. I stand with Steve Biko's black. But I can imagine someone trying to take away me being coloured from my identity, and the history and culture behind being coloured. I would never allow such because I'm proud of my people.

@11simonjr 5 ай бұрын

*Southern Africa. Not just South Ahh. The situation is the same for Namibians, Zambians Zimbabweans, Swazis etc

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@illgoat 5 ай бұрын

It's a Southern African thing, not just South African. You need to travel more.

@muchit3629 5 ай бұрын

@@illgoat Exactly. They are the Americans of Africa hahaha, now they are getting a taste of their own medicine. Does not even know across the Limpopo river there are whole communities of colored people. To be honest majority get along with black people. These debates are hilarious, how about we are all just human beings. The only issue comes fi someone thinks they are better than someone by virtue of their skin color. Listen to that white guy he said he has a Filipino friend and they call him black. Whites, colonialism, slavery are the cause of all this confusion

@Shae_3 5 ай бұрын

Then why she just didn't say that instead of allowing another none black person "hush" her and speak for her? If you proud of what you are then say it and keep it consistent. There shouldn't be a continued defending her race if she was loud and proud of it. Whwnnasked it seem like she didn't want to be known as a black woman because she don't want to be out in a box as if being a black woman is not good enough so saying "colored" makes you feel more superior and better. If someone ask if you're black the question is yes if you're black but she don't want to be known as a black woman but want the privilege of being in black culture. We are all well aware that black woman are looked down on by other cumtures

@seehleD 5 ай бұрын

It's something else if she goes around calling other people Coloureds in America, but she's telling you what SHE is. When she's saying she's a Coloured she's not telling you about her color, she's telling you about her ethnicity, the same way I would say I am Zulu or a Nigerian would say they are Igbo, there's another ethnic group in South Africa called Coloured, who have their own distinct culture, so if you ask her what's her color in the context of America she will probably say black, but you can't seriously ask her to denounce her whole ethnicity because it just so happens to share a name with a box of pencils (Coloured Pencils) :) And No! it's not the same as the N word which serves no other purpose than to be a derogatory term, the word Coloured is used every single day to describe many other things so this is not the same. Africa is so much more diverse than Black or White, it's where you find the lightest and darkest people in the world, so if someone tells you their ethnicity, it's got nothing to do with YOU, it's perhaps something new to learn about.

@nellasquare2092 5 ай бұрын

I think people are not questioning ethnicity they are questioning race. Zulu is an ethnicity but the Zulu person identifies as black from a race standpoint. Coloured people do not want to be associated with Black in South Africa from a race and ethnic standpoint. So it’s not just ethnicity it’s race as well. And also even if she is from South Africa the coloured term was also from a classification provided to them under segregation which made them better than your black ethnicities. The question is how should race be classified if at all? does it matter?

@seehleD 5 ай бұрын

@@nellasquare2092 People have every right to question whatever they want to question, but in this instance the argument needs to be based on whatever she said and not what people feel, especially with the narrow view that seems to cloud some Americans in regards to race and ethnicity. Black Americans do not have tribes, kingdoms, ethnic groups etc. within the umbrella of the "Black race" so it's a little foreign to them to get an answer other than "I'm Black, White or Brown" when asked what they are. It's different in Africa and I dare say everywhere else. Ask anyone in Africa "What are you?" they won't say "Black" they will tell you "I'm Zulu, Xhosa, Ugandan, Cameroonian, Yoruba" etc. Hence the answer from Tayla. In regards to what South African Coloureds identify as, they identify as Coloureds, yes many do not classify themselves as black because that's not how the race is organised this side of the world, but I know a lot more of them who relate more to their black side of their genetics than the white side and vice versa. Black Americans had the same problem with Mulattoes who were treated better than darker skinned slaves so this classification you're mentioning is nothing new, you still have people referring to themselves as Mulatto that side without causing this petty uproar that Tyla seems to have caused. I can't tell you how race should be classified, it shouldn't really matter but the reality is that it does, hence these arguments. Coloureds are just a mixed race of people, but even they know that they have black in them and most importantly that they are African.

@caribbeandream4247 5 ай бұрын

@@seehleD If she's coloured there, she cannot be Black here(or America in this specific instance). You reading comments saying "don't cosplay", it's being said for a reason in this instance.

@seehleD 5 ай бұрын

@@caribbeandream4247 lol What is to be Black? Maybe you need to explain to me what you think that is before we go any further. Genetically she's part Black African she knows that, we know that, every Coloured knows that, but socially/culturally/ethnically she belongs to a group called Coloureds here in Africa, which is what she said she is, she never said she's not black based on American classifications coz she fits within the so called "One Drop Rule". I do not understand this fake outrage, yall let Hispanics say the N word freely over there, let them adopt the "Black" culture without any hitch, you got Beyonce and her family calling themselves Creole and Black without any issues coz for some reason you understand that with her, both identities can exist, but for some reason Tyla is apparently cosplaying yet she's a born and bred African girl, do you see the double standards?? Or you're still outraged?

@appleblack. 5 ай бұрын

@@caribbeandream4247😂😂 Tyla is black more than black Americans wake up😂😂

@youngrootv 5 ай бұрын

It’s not that deep, if you have any sense. Y’all need to leave that girl alone!

@cbow5582 5 ай бұрын

Exactly!!

@getbuckets4252 5 ай бұрын

Black American culture is not a cosplay routine. People are so used to just taking and benefitting they think it's not a big deal. That's over.

@efef6853 5 ай бұрын

tyla needs to leave the BLACK community alone. tyla should market h erself to h er people at South AFRICA and leave BLACK Americans alone.

@efef6853 5 ай бұрын

ty la needs to leave the BLACK community alone. ty la should market H ER self to H ER PEOPLE at South AFRICA and leave BLACK Americans alone.

@jeromejenkins151 5 ай бұрын

@@getbuckets4252The gate is closed. Go pretend to be Asian or something but it's over over here

@superdupersiya 5 ай бұрын

6:44 Tyla has said, in all her interviews, that she’s coloured. Chill chill chill.

@StarPulse737 5 ай бұрын

In South Africa. Outside she said she's black

@Jurelife 5 ай бұрын

She corny... she's Indian

@Jurelife 5 ай бұрын

She is using it to have access

@___Truth___ 5 ай бұрын

🤦🏾‍♂️ Coloured means mixed in SA. Compare that to indigenous tribes in SA you get a clear distinction between being a Mixed person (Coloured), and a Black person (Zulu). In America though almost every Black-American is mixed, with White/Native-American etc. Therefore most Black-Americans are Coloured, because they clearly aren’t like the original Africans that were taken to the USA. Black-Americans are and have been mixed since then.

@Jurelife 5 ай бұрын

@@___Truth___ colored is an insult that came from America goofy. SA came and studied segregation in America and brought it there. Colored is derogatory statement.,. black is not special to Africa,,, there are Black Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, Indian, Pakistani, Philippine!! Black is the hue of your skin.

@mt3719 5 ай бұрын

She is mixed so in Africa she is termed as coloured not "African black" but in America she is black i dont understand how this got complicated

@terrinyc29 5 ай бұрын

It's not. We get it. We don't trust it. Seems like she using us for bigger gain. That's what it is, we're just being cautious.

@adamriet-muller7358 5 ай бұрын

She called herself coloured and said she's not black.

@BadMonTing 5 ай бұрын

@@terrinyc29cautious of some 20 year old girl 😂😂😂😂

@mt3719 5 ай бұрын

@@terrinyc29 Shes more black than alot of African americans, Ish would not be considered black in some African countries

@caribbeandream4247 5 ай бұрын

@@BadMonTing If a 20 year old Britney Spears said she was Black, that wouldn't raise your eyebrow? What's the difference?

@MrOisJustLiving 5 ай бұрын

Who really gives a f*ck?

@lisagoba2900 5 ай бұрын

clearly Americans🤣

@ladydi876 5 ай бұрын

Probably only a small % percentage of Americans who have nothing better to do. Joe is clueless, just making money from his podcast - must be a slow news week 😏

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

Us! Africans too. Because those colored people hate africans and so they never want to be called black. Why get the goodies of a black society!?

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@@ladydi876joe has a point. My mom is east african and mixed race but she says shes black. Colored south africans dont want to be called black. Its very obvious, so why give them a platform?

@sadinahrafael9700 5 ай бұрын

americans apparently

@SiyavuyaNgxabazi 5 ай бұрын

Why do Blacks in America think they are more black than Africa or any other blacks in the whole world ...? Ish is the only person talking sense in this conversation...and Americans must stop thinking they set the world standards. LOVE Tyla🇿🇦

@Rissawinedrinker 2 ай бұрын

No one in the USA said they are “more black”. They are trying to tell Tyla and black South Africans that it don’t matter that you look “mixed” white people will see “black”.

@Justin_anthony 5 ай бұрын

As a coloured from South Africa, Ish was the only one with some sense here.

@Dasiah_Gaming 5 ай бұрын

I don’t think you fully understood as to why they had a diffrent viewpoint Tyla isn’t trying to break into AA music industry as much as she is in America at this moment, but her experience is different so when you want to promote yourself in a certain way you have to ground yourself in that culture we can’t just go to South Africa and claim we are black we would then be colored or be set into whatever standard it is over there it’s assimilation at its finest which is what they were getting at.

@Brian_Cross 5 ай бұрын

The difference is culture, that word means something in America and it means something else in South Africa, already we use words to describe the same things so it makes sense that some words are used to describe different things. In American history it was used to degrade African Americans, in South Africa is used to recognise people from a culture that was born through a mix of different cultures. The same way the N word is a racial slur there but in the Zulu language a word that sound exactly the same means give, and in Ethiopia it means king.

@prometheusreign5424 5 ай бұрын

@@Dasiah_Gamingyou right on that on how they see it, but that's the problem being black can't be a monolith African Americans need to understand that the culture they fight so hard to protect has been curated by entities outside of it. Embrace other black experiences that's the only way to start fixing shit

@zod4365 5 ай бұрын

@Brian_Cross facts. The wild part is "colored" in South Africa IS the same as America, but due to apartheid they just "roll" with the Dutch bigotry

@nellasquare2092 5 ай бұрын

@@zod4365truth! No one wants to say it. How the classification of race was done in South Africa was derogatory in general.

@TaylorLebone 5 ай бұрын

The world doesn't revolve around America

@DoDahhhhhhhhh 4 ай бұрын

It does when your stealing American Culture to build your career.

@pc8679 4 ай бұрын

Yes, but when you are in America, got got to respect the culture

@paulac875 4 ай бұрын

I am American, and I understand.

@williamcarter9066 4 ай бұрын

Apparently it does because everyone wants to be us but not the struggle us and if weren’t true all the constant going ons about us wouldn’t be as loud as it is so your statement is nonsense on top of a conflation failure!!

@Sleezy2wavy 4 ай бұрын

@@williamcarter9066 The world doesn't revolve around America buddy

@nuttinz213 5 ай бұрын

Coloureds have a dark history. Before South Africa was a country, every Tribe had it's own territory. Coloureds, are descendants of the KhoiKhoi, the Khoikhoi had the Western Cape region,that's where the Dutch came and settled. They clashed, fought two wars. Dutch/KhoiKhoi wars. The Khoi were destroyed, eventually they didn't have numbers to fight, Dutch brought them to near extinction, genocide. Dutch had brought South East Asian slaves to work in the Cape. Over hundreds years of mixing , a new people emerged with a unique culture. Coloureds are descendants of ancient African tribe,Asian slaves with some European ancestry from mostly Dutch settlers. Coloured is considered a race but its more of a culture. A biracial person born now today can appear to be Coloured but culturally not be Coloured . Trevor Noah is biracial, culturally he's Xhosa not Coloured. There is no real Coloured look, because we are a tribe of tribes. Namibian Coloureds speak Afrikaans too, they are part of us. Namibian Coloureds are originally from the Cape, hundreds of years ago they migrated out of Cape Colony and settled in what is now Namibia.

@tamleyburds8750 5 ай бұрын

This is a good comment

@user-ok5ez1ls1k 5 ай бұрын

Thanks… this comment is better than wikipedia

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

Bla bla bla

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@V3RGO187 5 ай бұрын

perfect summary u prolly got 80-100 in history 🙌🏽🌐

@houseofpinotagepinotage1475 5 ай бұрын

America 🇺🇸 you are not the WORLD leave her alone.

@bongiwentombela4151 4 ай бұрын

Please

@TheRealCellus 5 ай бұрын

As a black American born in the hood and raised in the hood of west augustine and over town. People I grew up around, didn’t even consider Jamaicans or Haitians black. It’s a small mind set that’s crazy. The older I got, the more history I learned, the more I understand how ignorant we are as an American black people when it comes to blackness, colorism and culturalism.

@Abner-gu3ve 5 ай бұрын

Woah woah. Jamaicans and Haitians are definitely black, but I still see what you saying

@sinosondlo 5 ай бұрын

Black in America means 'cool' and someone can claim it even if they are mixed races. In South Africa, if you're of mixed races, you are Coloured. Coloured in South Africa is not just a matter of skin colour but a culture too. Tyla cannot say she's black even if she's in America or anywhere in the world. That term is defined by her place of birth. A mixed person from American cannot come to South Africa and claim to be coloured because he's Black from home. To conclude, Tyla is Coloured, world.

@Star-hg1kt 5 ай бұрын

Not everyone mixed is Coloured even in South Africa always stress that too, enkosi.

@11simonjr 5 ай бұрын

Trevor Noah is not coloured. Being mixed doesn't make you coloured. Albeit very diverse, Coloured is a specific definition of people.

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

Am a bantu of uganda but am black by race! My dear, whats your race? Not culture!! Fool

@nikki.fynnxo 5 ай бұрын

@@11simonjrthe Trevor Noah example is ridiculous cause now you’re confusing race and culture. Stop. It’s already complicated.

@kamoheloiannk617 5 ай бұрын

She doesnt even make american music she makes african music literally piano and afrobeat... Why is this even a conversation?

@ladytamara1503 5 ай бұрын

Because the blacks in America want to carve out their own identity. They don’t wanna be Africans or white. Their identity is ONLY black. As a result you can’t just come in their and call yourself black just cause.

@sdmac1339 5 ай бұрын

The South African designation of "coloured" was a way to caste. So to be coloured was to be of a higher caste over black people under Apartheid.

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

Exactly! Even to us africans they still feel so! South africans are just ignorant and damaged.

@southwestkinema9149 5 ай бұрын

EXACTLY. Everyone seems to be totally ignoring that. I suppose it's because they are 40 and under.

@lorddlangamandla1313 5 ай бұрын

Trust me Apartheid was a system of white and none white, anything below white was a different version not level of low

@Dontarguewithfoolsyoum8endup1 4 ай бұрын

They @@lorddlangamandla1313they were treated better than black people...

@kingdomlwandle1148 4 ай бұрын

Exactly, and that's why some individuals referred to as "coloured" struggle to accept that they are black. They were conditioned to feel superior to black people

@ozee7404 5 ай бұрын

Joe is actually really wrong about the tyla situation , Tyla never said im black, she said she’s coloured , black people were the ones saying she’s denying her blackness

@SimbaTheGreat 2 ай бұрын

How tf you get to be colored without being black

@HonorableSienna 5 ай бұрын

This conversation was so tone deaf, in South African is a COLOURED woman. Why would she not be that when she leaves there?

@troygardner822 5 ай бұрын

Because the only reason she’s called colored is because she’s in South Africa. She’s not colored because she’s colored

@ariuwg4186 5 ай бұрын

Because she not there anymore duh 😂

@williamalexander9485 5 ай бұрын

@@ariuwg4186So now you want her to be Drake🤨Y’all are confused and can’t make up your minds.

@ariuwg4186 5 ай бұрын

@@williamalexander9485 where did I say I wanted her to be black ? This white man just said to yt people she’s just black. You need to read and listen

@KG45Brham 5 ай бұрын

Then you'll call her a coloniser like you do with Drake. Her race is Coloured. This isn't the same thing as Trevor Noah where he's black in USA

@royyymhlari5116 5 ай бұрын

The knowledge Ish has on South Africa is needed in America. 🇿🇦

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@aanticlockwisethinker 5 ай бұрын

Tyla is similar with Vijay Singh. Vijay Singh is a dark skinned person and in America, many would want to classify him as black, but where he's from in Fiji, he was classified as an Indian person. He can't just start to identify as a black person in America because he didn't interact with black culture in his native country. Tyla is the same. Yes, she looks black but her experiences and spirituality are so far from that of a black person. Trevor Noah on the hand, is mixed and lighter than Tyla but he has lived the black experience and has black spirituality.

@MyChannel-ul3tm 5 ай бұрын

She doesn’t look black at all, she looks indian

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@Onyxamber 5 ай бұрын

Thank you this is a great example. Trevor’s mother is a Black Xhosa woman whereas Tyla’s parents are both Coloured. People need to understand that she does not have the same experience as a Black South African and will likely lose a big part of her core SA audience if she lets herself get bullied into no longer identifying as Coloured.

@1Juliacho 5 ай бұрын

Should me a non mixed black person that looks like Tyla…

@pumelelabanca1442 5 ай бұрын

@@OnyxamberTrue. Coloreds hate being mistaken for blacks. If she accepted Americans calling her black they would turn on her.

@jaelight9393 5 ай бұрын

The level of trauma South Africans endured in recent history is something we americans cant comprehend... you have to address her as if shes coming from a different world.

@southwestkinema9149 5 ай бұрын

South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much. Let it drift. All this over a one hit wonder.

@Clara01-nh3xw 5 ай бұрын

She’s South African! How are you going to say she’s not black by American standards? America is not the standard - the world has changed - you’re not the centre of the world anymore!

@DeepDiveDiscipleship 5 ай бұрын

Crabs in a barrel mentality once again...

@mikebike1715 5 ай бұрын

True bantus

@thewordsmith5440 4 ай бұрын

How is it if she isn't even black? She is not considered black in South Africa and was never called black until coming to America.

@mikebike1715 4 ай бұрын

@@thewordsmith5440 Black Americans like to one drop everybody into blackness.

@vaughan1379 4 ай бұрын

⁠@@thewordsmith5440 bro everywhere else in the world apart from South Africa she will be identified as black, not just America. But She’s coloured and grew up in the coloured culture in South Africa. It’s that simple.

@Kevin.Costner. 5 ай бұрын

I promise you this is one of those internet things, look at comments non of us care real life, your getting treated like family regardless has anyone ever at a Function gone “mmm your not black enough can’t enter” 🤝

@HguujAswiik-gw6pj 5 ай бұрын

Coming from a white man you and your people hate to talk about race.

@BoazDrinkWater999 5 ай бұрын

Real shit 💯

@ladydi876 5 ай бұрын

Agree! Totally ridiculous, made-up "controversy" for podcasters & commentators like Joe desperately searching for topics to discuss. This is such a non-issue and while his guests made some valid, well thought out comments this seems above Joe's head

@Justin_anthony 5 ай бұрын

According to the internet she’s not invited to the cookout 🤣

@KiingM 5 ай бұрын

I’ve been in the states for years (from Southern Africa) and I have always been welcomed but I know people who haven’t so 🤷🏾‍♂️

@Dwayne3007 5 ай бұрын

I don't see why it's an issue. Get schooled.

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

It is. We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know

@undaunted.underdog 5 ай бұрын

In South Africa, coloured is a race. Leave Our princess alone 🖤🇿🇦🖤

@simplygem8449 5 ай бұрын

this is Black culture..

@southwestkinema9149 5 ай бұрын

Black South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much. Let it drift. All this over a one hit wonder.

@johnk8091 5 ай бұрын

Americans need to get over themselves - a term in the USA does not have the same conitation in the rest of the world. Mixed race people from all African countries south of the equator - Kenya, Tanzania, Angola, Mozambique, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Swaziland, Botswana, South Africa - PROUDLY refer to themselves as colored, out of preference. Accept it, they want it. Colored is not regarded as an inferior term in Africa. They don't want to be called black....because they are not black, they are mixed. It's like calling them white...or Indian - they have that mix in them, but you don't hear people calling them white or Indian. Why try to label them as black.

@Dreamkins 5 ай бұрын

Being called "Black" and being offended by the word "Colored" is wild to me. My opinion, accepting "Black" is still accepting "colored"

@southwestkinema9149 5 ай бұрын

"Coloured" has very, very, very bad historical meaning in the USA & the UK to a lesser extent. South Africans are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Black Americans not so much.

@janomesteve3129 5 ай бұрын

@@southwestkinema9149Black is also because of the white man

@glorynjoku7651 4 ай бұрын

@@southwestkinema9149Black Americans are also cool with calling themselves a word that a European coloniser gave them 😂😂😂 and using a derogatory ‘N’ word as a form of greeting. Who’s really delusional?

@geronimopratt7976 4 ай бұрын

Where you live, not in America

@geronimopratt7976 4 ай бұрын

@@glorynjoku7651but spreading sexually transmitted disease took over your culture. The reason most black Americans don't travel to Africa or South Africa. The scamming there is crazy. We'll leave Africa to the Indians, Chinese, and Mzungus.

@antoniomontana2034 5 ай бұрын

“American standards of blackness” 🤦🏾‍♂️

@mxl8755 5 ай бұрын

Literally from Africa, where the original blacks are from

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@@mxl8755 We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know

@Mellonotes 5 ай бұрын

Even hearing some Americans say Carribean people aren't black

@theblackgods4699 5 ай бұрын

@Ghecco09 In southern Africa a lot of carribean people would be considered coloured a lot of yall are mixed so they're right to a certain degree

@southwestkinema9149 5 ай бұрын

@Nomashopping 5 ай бұрын

It's not "you guys". It's "Yho guys 🧍🏾‍♀️" And South Ahh is short and beloved nickname for South Africa 🇿🇦

@Star-hg1kt 5 ай бұрын

Uthini na wena SMH

@123xhanti 5 ай бұрын

😂@@Star-hg1kt

@123xhanti 5 ай бұрын

this is something Aka would say I guess 😅

@MyChannel-ul3tm 5 ай бұрын

She has never ‘defended’ her blackness because she doesn’t have to, she is not black in Africa or here. She is coloured, which us a racial and ethnic group in South Africa where they have their own culture separate from fully black, white and Asian South Africans. She looks and sounds Indian, black Americans just try to claim everyone with a drop of black especially if theyre pretty

@Musa-ut6ce 5 ай бұрын

She doesn’t look or sound Indian. We have Indians in South Africa they do not speak like that unless they grew up in Coloured neighbourhoods, she’s Coloured. Wait till you find out that there’s different kinds of Coloureds and they are essentially 2/3 different tribes within the Coloured community. They could be an are a mix of Khoisa (which are people native to Sotuhern Africa), African, English, Black, Dutch, French, German and Malaysian. This is because of colonialism and slavery by the Dutch and English. The mix depends on which tribe (mostly as a result of their demographic area) is and some look blacker and more African than Joe does.

@MyChannel-ul3tm 5 ай бұрын

@@Musa-ut6ce my point is she looks and sounds Indian much more than black. She doesn’t look black or have an accent of a black south african. I have Indian and Sri Lankan friends that are much darker than tyla with similar facial features. Her curls are slightly tighter than curly indian ppl, but she has an obvious mixed heritage. Calling her black doesn’t make sense in South Africa or in the US. I’m from South America and no one would see her as Black either, but we go by our nationalities before race since most of us are a mixture of white, native, and black and don’t identify with any single racial group.

@Musa-ut6ce 5 ай бұрын

@@MyChannel-ul3tm As a South African, I am telling you she looks nothing like Indians in South Africa and no one would ever mistake her for one. She looks like a Coloured girl. Some Coloured girls are lighter than she is and almost look white and some can be darker. To us, she looks nothing but a Coloured persoj and to White Amarican, who found race theory over there anyways she's black. If Mariah Carey is seen as a black person, Tyla will never be mistaken as anything but black in America. Don't know why that's a debate.

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@DoDahhhhhhhhh 4 ай бұрын

Stop stealing Black American Culture and we will live you alone.

@hussainbhikha2720 5 ай бұрын

I dont think she's black she part black but she's mixed so it's better to just call her mixed or coloured

@ajewishchristianmuslim 4 ай бұрын

its you not being black thinking your two cents are required here. ✋

@tylerwarries1551 4 ай бұрын

The issue isn't that Tyla has an identity crisis, but rather that America and it's people can't define what it means to be black to them. From a world view, black is a colour and we should consider culture a lot more than so called race. Coloured in south africa is made up of people with historically mixed heritage (Mainly black african, white european, indian and asian), but over many years has formed an entire culture and identity. However, coloured people are still people of colour. The reason black americans struggle to understand it is because their historical culture was stripped from them during the slave trade. Where as in South Africa, black people have their own cultures that go back thousands of years such as Zulu, Xhosa, Tswana, Sotho, and more. Therefore, as a coloured person not only is there a difference in genetic admixture of ethnicities, but also a separation in culture. Whereas in america, african americans are all lumped together regardless of historical culture and identity, which from a positive perspective allows for a more inclusive perception of who is "black" but disregards cultural and even to a degree genetic ethnic contexts.

@Bloomsburg14 5 ай бұрын

Bro they talking bout race, ethnicity, and blackness, but I see 3 light skinned men and one White man do they qualify to speak on blackness? To some people they are not even black enough to speak on the issue here 🤣. It’s an ongoing stupid topic. All we need to know is that if we are not white we about them. Period. Malcolm X and Rosa Parks were “mixed” and yet they are two of our most known leaders in AA history. The leader of South Africa had lighter skin which is native to their county. I could go on and on and on. I hope this doesn’t affect how Tyla views herself. She probably has more native African DNA than anyone in that room.

@obinnaezealah2465 5 ай бұрын

They can speak on the issue. Three of the gentlemen are black and one is white.

@pageantspageants4358 5 ай бұрын

No they are not black themselves @obinnaezealah2465

@obinnaezealah2465 5 ай бұрын

@@pageantspageants4358 they are black.

@pageantspageants4358 5 ай бұрын

@@obinnaezealah2465 They are not black!

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@Riovaz_Kanii 5 ай бұрын

Tyla is coloured in South Africa So Voetsak

@lihlezamisa9461 5 ай бұрын

I love this comment so much yaz. 😭

@ambrociahventer4576 5 ай бұрын

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Not Votsek 😂😂

@Star-hg1kt 5 ай бұрын

Voestek nawe tshi

@TherealP013 2 ай бұрын

We should just all message Voetsak

@dominiqueharris9582 2 күн бұрын

....or even TSEK

@JahmBProducts 5 ай бұрын

It's just Americans Americaning again 🤷‍♂️

@cityghost9058 5 ай бұрын

Giving you a platform. You’re welcome. You’re not like us✌🏾

@mkmc94 5 ай бұрын

@@cityghost9058 And white people give you platform do you say thx masa and kiss their ass everyone you guys go their platform which is almost every single one ? No, so shut up !

@ianmoone6562 5 ай бұрын

@@cityghost9058 nazi ahh comment

@mimmiekgaditse1517 5 ай бұрын

@@cityghost9058you're bullying one of our own undeservedly and you want us to keep quiet because "platforms". GTFOH

@Shayzar1 5 ай бұрын

@@cityghost9058 a platform to disaparage another artist? Definetely not like yall

@youngboy2140 5 ай бұрын

The only reason this came about is because some time ago she out her mouth said she wasn’t black. I noted it it cause I knew this would happen. And so here we are…🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

@GrandT343 5 ай бұрын

Black has a different definition in south africa. Tribal entity means a lot. Race is a social construct and in america that construct is different from other places.

@pretty_wingz 5 ай бұрын

Are you slow? She literally said in South Africa that isn’t what she’s called. But she knows she is black. Her mother is black zulu. Maybe you should’ve noted that! 🙄

@efef6853 5 ай бұрын

Individuals like Ty la identify as anything other than BLACK because they believe that will spare them from the effects of ANTI-BLACK PREJUDICE. The problem I have is the DISHONEST way those types of individuals conduct themselves, they refuse to attach themselves to anything BLACK when it suits them but pretend to be BLACK when they stand to benefit financially. They need to keep the same energy, they shouldn't be DECEITFUL.

@BadMonTing 5 ай бұрын

@@efef6853in South Africa, Tyla is colored... not black, colored.

@efef6853 5 ай бұрын

@@BadMonTing then she needs to stay at South AFRICA and leave us alone.

@Jewknow 5 ай бұрын

That white boy dont need to be apart of this convo

@katlegonhlapo4040 4 ай бұрын

Lmao

@chongochishimba6207 4 ай бұрын

😅😅😅lol

@siyagee1000 5 ай бұрын

She's right. Shes colored in South Africa.

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@fairshareofdrownedsouls 5 ай бұрын

Just to explain to Americans: The English language involves words that have different meanings and contexts in different English-speaking countries, such as England, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. It is difficult to explain. Just don't assume that words have the same effect in every Anglo-sphere country. Some of these countries are thousands of miles apart and all have different histories.

@devildham 5 ай бұрын

Then she can stay over there. But if you wanna be big HERE, you have enough professionalism and respect for the audience you're trying to cultivate and make money off of to know how to not offend them. Trevor Noah doesn't have this problem...maybe she should talk to his publicist.

@BadMonTing 5 ай бұрын

@@devildhamTrevor is 50% black and raised by a black family and speaks a few African languages. Tyler here in South Africa is colored... let her be. What did she do to offend??

@w.a.l6518 5 ай бұрын

@@devildhamTrevor noah is mixed race. Coloured is a whole different thing, Coloured is a mixture of different races. Coloureds are classified as black in South African historical context and definition. Even Indians and Chinese are classified as black in South Africa. Just look it up.

@ra-neter6662 5 ай бұрын

@devildham you're so ignorant and you missed the point.

@caribbeandream4247 5 ай бұрын

@@BadMonTing Apparently she said before that she's not Black. If that's the case, when did she become Black, and why?

@dotmarceo 5 ай бұрын

Y'all try'na Americanize her? 😂

@MO_ARTWELL 5 ай бұрын

If you have no proper contextual appreciation of south african history please dont speak on it .

@nitrologly 5 ай бұрын

In the US blackness is based on who would have been a slave originally, which is a relatively low threshold of African heritage. Its crazy people dont know that.

@philemon3831 5 ай бұрын

The person who created the concepts of race and racism must have so much fun watching us tearing each other apart over stuff like this. We are ALL ONE, and the quicker we realize that, the faster we achieve sovereignty, emancipation and TRUE freedom. Love you ALL.

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

I swear

@theblackgods4699 5 ай бұрын

We aren't all one 😂 you're dumb if you believe that

@trvrboggs 4 ай бұрын

Trying to get an American to understand how things can work differently on another continent is almost always a huge waste of time 😄.

@KONGOKINSHA 4 ай бұрын

I'm from congo and a black person in my country those 3 people will be classified ads white to be black you need to be dark if you're not dark you are white or asian (mixed people are white) that why American need to know that race is different around the world like tyla said

@STATSCHANNEL-ty7qr 5 ай бұрын

i hate when people who don't even come South Africa say this type shii , Joe SHE IS BLACK AND SHE CAN SAY COLOURED! WE SAY COLOURED

@julzunplugged 5 ай бұрын

This conversation is WILD. Us blacks in America really gotta deal with our racial/identity trauma..🤦🏾‍♂️

@celesteadams4833 5 ай бұрын

As a South African, on behalf of other South Africans, we are so tired of explaining this to Americans. All that needs to be said, has been said but I will say this.... for a country that is constantly fighting for the recognition of various identities (from the LGBTQIA+, to gender, to race, to culture, socio economic status, etc) you sure are trying to force the rest of the world into boxes you have labelled and when we say no thank you, you're mad... make it make sense! 😒

@mariemuhammad5313 4 ай бұрын

Are you the rest of the world? No you’re just South African. So you can only speak for yourself as a South African. Your being oddly aggressive towards an entire group of people in a country where your favorite artist is trying to gain the approval of. So the reality is it’s just up to the American “black” audience to support her or not.

@celesteadams4833 4 ай бұрын

@mariemuhammad5313 Here we go again, educating Americans like we always do. Firstly, did not claim to be the rest of the world but isn't it funny how the rest of the world has the exact same beef with Americans. We do not live or die by how you operate and we do not want to. If you don't believe me, feel free to watch the thousands of reaction videos of "dumb things Americans have said to you" on any social media platform. Secondly, so if that is your stance, when me as a proudly colored South African woman (like Tyla) tells you that that is what I am who tf are you to question that. Because of the weight of that word in America we don't expect to be referred to as that but that does not change our heritage, culture, language, food or DNA. So if we can respect the fact that you choose to refrain from calling us colored why can you not respect the fact that it doesn't change a damn thing because we choose not to conform to a country where half your population doesn't even know whether Africa is a continent or a country (again see thousands of videos on social media. Thirdly, as a colored South African woman I am proud, happy and supportive of Tyla's career but honestly I am not a fan of her music so my perceived aggression has everything to do with what I believe is disrespect towards me and my culture and nothing to do with Tyla. Tyla is supported and loved by us but she is definitely a way bigger deal in the US. You guys made the water song a dance trend, same with the new one. We didn't ask you to do that and if you don't support her she can come home and still have a very successful career. But you wouldn't know that because many Americans think there is an abyss outside of the borders of your country. So in conclusion, your American black audience does not hold her career in your hands. But I'm just a South African... 😒

@christopherhaynes8101 5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 “I can tell you as a white person that’s true”

@JeffreyBooysen-l4h 4 ай бұрын

We not black we Coloured

@shriyanmaharaj8562 5 ай бұрын

As a South African 🇿🇦 social media gotta stop being outraged at everything. The girl knows what she is, why you gotta add your own opinion on top of that.

@DoDahhhhhhhhh 4 ай бұрын

Wer don't care. Stop stealing. Yall Africans dont get tired of leeching off of Black Americans. Dont steal from our culture, come on our platforms and tell us what not to be offended about

@misstbgify 4 ай бұрын

Yet Black people accept Beyonce as Black even though she has acknowledged her French and Native American background.

@Gman1998 5 ай бұрын

I’ve seen many South Africans say coloured is not the same as black, it’s its own race. Tyla probably never identified as black before so that’s the thing, she can say she’s colored and just leave it at that it’s fine

@Bloomsburg14 5 ай бұрын

WTH she does not need to defend her blackness

@southwestkinema9149 5 ай бұрын

She is not. She is running away from it. If you are cool with that terminology of racial hierarchy from the racist apartheid system. Let it drift. All this over a one hit wonder.

@DoDahhhhhhhhh 4 ай бұрын

She doesn't. Leave that colored word over in Africa

@MrNowLaters 5 ай бұрын

People are getting tired of the I’m claiming black when it’s convenient for them like when they’re trying to sell you something or pander to you to get you to listen to their music.

@BabyQueenBeee 4 ай бұрын

SHE IS COLOURED. A SOUTH AFRICAN coloured. Leave her alone

@NataschaDeetlefsova 5 ай бұрын

No She is not Black she is coloured, I am a South African and know our culture and Coloured are identified as their own Race so dont get confused do some research first. Americans are so judgemental

@Musa-ut6ce 5 ай бұрын

Tyler blew up in America making non-American music. You guys can’t call her a culture vulture or whatever like yall try with other mixed or non-black people in the states and you guys can’t dictate how she will be perceived because the art she blew up with over there does not even belong to black American. It’s African. It’s Afro-Beats and Amapiano.

@janomesteve3129 5 ай бұрын

The American 1 drop rule 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@wandiam6635 5 ай бұрын

Absolute madness.

@limofootball 4 ай бұрын

The most stupid rule.

@TheProtagonist37 4 ай бұрын

Black Americans don't even realize that their "one drop" rule was meant to dehumanize them. The rule was saying that once a person has a drop of blackness in their DNA, they're tainted as shouldn't be considered pure or 'white'.

@Bloomsburg14 5 ай бұрын

Her comments are very educated. Thank you Tyla!!

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@JHB_Boy_ZAJOZI 5 ай бұрын

Tyla is NOT black. Please stop.

@southwestkinema9149 5 ай бұрын

Exactly. She is a "coloured" one hit wonder. Let it drift.

@rashawnrollins564 5 ай бұрын

Her people are being careful, they just saw what happened to Drake

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@Abner-gu3ve 5 ай бұрын

😂

@janomesteve3129 4 ай бұрын

She is not American

@Abner-gu3ve 4 ай бұрын

@@janomesteve3129 yeah nobody said she was

@MrBojangles2020 5 ай бұрын

So weird joe and tyla have similar complexion yet he can tell her what she is lol

@nickb839 5 ай бұрын

She repeatedly defended her blackness when she is the one who stated that she was colored and made that distinction in the first place.

@pumelelabanca1442 5 ай бұрын

And share no racial genetics. See how funny that is? Joe is probably mixed with black and white. While Tyler has no black. She is indian, Malay and some white.

@nickb839 5 ай бұрын

@pumelelabanca1442 Bro her mother is mixed race white and Black clear as day. Her father is not considered full white either.

@nickb839 5 ай бұрын

Do you know what a white person is?

@pumelelabanca1442 5 ай бұрын

@@nickb839 No she is not. Her mom is Cape colored. Who told you that her mother is biracial?

@mphonkd1102 4 ай бұрын

South African here 👋🏾🇿🇦 Yes, coloured is a separate race here. The roots are a lil... um.. complicated because the first generation of coloured people were mostly biracial black and white, who were then separated and placed in their own sections by the Apartheid govt. Because they had white heritage, they were taught English and Afrikaans and purposely discouraged from exploring and embracing their black roots. Some coloured people are racist towards us black indigenous people because they were socially educated to be, so if anyone senses tension beyond what is spoken, it's because of that. And now that black empowerment programs are being rolled out, we have a bit of an issue with them claiming blackness because they were given preferential treatment by white people during Apartheid and many don't speak indigenous languages. Black and coloured people have always avoided conversations like this.

@sassyk3906 5 ай бұрын

Look at parents that tell you rather she black,white or mixed

@itsnagg357 5 ай бұрын

Omg yall Americans will make a big deal outta anything😭😭 you don’t dictate how the world views race btw

@mariemuhammad5313 4 ай бұрын

You’re an extremely divisive individual. Just as the many other I’m assuming “African” commenters attempting to attack “black” people in America through terms like “you Americans…” and “the world doesn’t revolve around you.” I wish the black community would just ban together and seperate from anyone that’s trying to attack them like Tyla’s “African” followers. What a terrible complex to have. And btw, there are many nationalities of darker skinned people living in America.

@DavenaFuthwa 5 ай бұрын

Americans is not educated enough about us South Africans.

@simplyme1705 5 ай бұрын

And THIS is the much needed conversation Black people have been needing to have but didn’t realize they needed to have/didn’t expect was coming. I think coming off the “not like us” energy it shed light/amplified something on a much deeper level. It’s bigger than music, even. How do we connect culturally? How do we connect politically? If we connect at all…I appreciate the mature discussion around this.

@Goval400 5 ай бұрын

No it aint

@simplyme1705 5 ай бұрын

@@Goval400 okay thanks 👌🏾

@emanresUcireneG 5 ай бұрын

You shouldn't need someone to be the exact same skin colour as you to consider connecting with them anyway. Says more about you than her...

@simplyme1705 5 ай бұрын

@@emanresUcireneG I’m not just talking about connecting with people on a social level. A cultural and political identity is what I’m highlighting specifically and that lends itself to a much different conversation. Based on your comment, I am assuming you don’t know what I mean by that, apologies if I’m interpreting you wrong, but if my assumption is correct about your comment, this is why I said that this conversation needs to be had in the first place.

@artinthemusic 5 ай бұрын

Mel is a black woman and Tyla isnt?? 😂😂😂 yall bugging fr

@MM-zz9mv 4 ай бұрын

You do realize race is classified differently in different countries

@sannmayy 4 ай бұрын

They both aren't and you know that. In order to be black you need two black parents.

@limofootball 4 ай бұрын

They don't come from the same country. So, yes indeed they are and are not.

@henryhudson4965 5 ай бұрын

This segment is called colorism ‼️ 4:16

@Bryce_Hall 5 ай бұрын

Most NON-FBA's did NOT even consider themselves to BE Black until maybe the last 15 - 20 years. When I was growing up I had multiple friends who would refer to themselves as "Jamaican AND Black" or "Haitian AND Black. The term "Black" used to exclusively mean Black American until relatively recently...

@dianakhumalo6905 5 ай бұрын

This is bullshit, I am a Black South African and I've always been a Black South African. Americans have never owned Blackness.

@theblackgods4699 5 ай бұрын

Thats so wrong it hurts my head when colonialism took place in Africa africans were referred to as blacks you didn't invent that term and its simply comes from white people .😂 you guys just say anything

@nanam9064 5 ай бұрын

Tyla is not black this is coming from a South African!

@jmp016 4 ай бұрын

Calling someone Coloured in South Africa is something only South Africans and people who are educated on SA culture would understand. We know the difference between Trevor Noah and Tyla.

@JustJudy869 4 ай бұрын

REALLY? So what does NAACP stand for?

@Goval400 5 ай бұрын

Shes darker than Joe, thats for sure

@missbstuurman 5 ай бұрын

So? Her dad is even darker than her and he is an Indian South African.

@MyChannel-ul3tm 5 ай бұрын

Joe is mixed with white, Tyla has mostly Indian who are dark skinned ppl

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

Darker than my east African mom and family. Shes damn black! They just want to claim superiority we know them! We know and we are africans too! And we also know how south africans hate being black! Most of them especially the coloreds. They gate fellow africans so they beed to pick a side now that reality has set in! Are they black or not! You cant be purple or green. Am african and i know yall dont want to face the fact that south africans especially colored people hate blacks thats why they distance themselves from the topic. We live among them and we know

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@@missbstuurmanhe is south african! That is it. If he wants to be indian he can pack and get the hell outta africa

@dianasohn2515 5 ай бұрын

Being black has nothing to do with skin color. There’s Indians darker than him that doesn’t mean they black

@Shadow_Blazer 5 ай бұрын

I'm a black South African and I'll tell you this Tyla is not considered black where she is from Tyla is a coloured girl

@theultimatenewplayer9341 5 ай бұрын

Yeah but the hilarity is that in America we literally have people who are lighter than she is who identify as black. Was even more hilarious. We have black people who literally can pass as white people who still identify as black. Puerto Ricans are multi-ethnic, Spanish, Black, and indigenous taino but in America they will identify with blacks whereas Dominicans, who are also Spanish, black and indigenous will refuse to identify with blacks and only want to identify as Dominican.

@lazyscorpion3889 5 ай бұрын

@MindShiftChronicle 2 ай бұрын

Oh shoot, 3 mixed guys and a white guy arguing about who is and who isn't black... did they actually even realize what's going on? Not one single black dude on this place...

@belsthegreat 4 ай бұрын

As a South African and Nigerian I'm both black and coloured and proud to be it. I grew up in a predominantly coloured neighborhood Eldorado park and consistently found myself hanging out in a places like Pimville, Chaiwelo and other parts of Soweto since my family owned a business in Kliptown which from there it's just a stone throw away and I even chilled out in Lens sometimes where the population is mainly Muslim/Indian people that live there. No one should question another's race based on how they look or what you think their experience is, the same problems about drugs, gangsterism, poverty and racism that people deal with in America South Africans deal with too. Imagine being ostracized in the neighborhood you grew up in because people felt that Nigerians were selling too much drugs to their kids, life ain't easy anywhere and even now I'm living in Nigeria where I see that in a lot of situations I don't really fit in because of the difference in how I was raised. Stop trying to include or exclude people from the boxes you try to sort society in because this is the same reason why the apartheid government divided people into a new race and called them couloreds because they were too black to be white and too white to be black

@Boyslim826 5 ай бұрын

Why do ppl keep bringing this topic up. It’s such a nothing-burger

@STOPTHECAPPLEASE 5 ай бұрын

It’s important she’s black

@Kevin.Costner. 5 ай бұрын

Agree, dont hear white people going “Mmmmm are you white white tho?”

@SPACEKNOCKERZ76 5 ай бұрын

Word. Who looking for her to speak on stuff like this. H She’s a young artist making dance songs lol let her get to her 3rd album or somethin

@JahmBProducts 5 ай бұрын

@@Kevin.Costner. White nations were not colonized and forced to racially mix... That's why 🤷‍♂️

@TXLennyS 5 ай бұрын

Growing up we never looked at a mixed person and called him white he was automatically black...so do other states say their biracial people are white?

@bonganikomanisi3646 4 ай бұрын

Tyla is coloured period

@QDUB26 5 ай бұрын

Everyone here go look up Apartheid in South Africa, it's essentially their own Jim Crow era.

@youn-e5v 4 ай бұрын

SHE IS OUR SOUTH AFRICAN COLOURED QUEEN. END OF STORY.

@shantelpujols3121 5 ай бұрын

There are South Africans that identify as black. Coloured means mixed race in South Africa and Americans understand that. Tyla does not identify as black because she does not identify as black. Stop all this crap about Americans not understanding how others identify.