Why Madara VS Whitebeard Isn’t Close

[@Sun-cg6lv]

Good vid people are going to shit on this video even though they asked for it on the community tab and not offer debunks just talk crap about OP verse and saying Madara negs without looking at the video just the ending or saying WB is more hax when that is wrong. Basically people are slow and don’t pay attention.

[@Tylearned]

😈

[@marcosmc3709]

Both statements are wrong tbh

[@Sun-cg6lv]

@@marcosmc3709 that’s fine but the people who criticize. Critize things in the vid that he explained away already. They don’t address them or argue it just say vague stuff. If you disagree with this scaling that’s cool but at least provide evidence to your words.

[@trenhead17]

Ok 😂 madara is blatantly faster and stronger and if you take a second to reply I’ll explain

[@Sun-cg6lv]

@@trenhead17 don’t really need to prove it to me though. Just said to look at the video and really criticize it instead of being butthurt and say things without debunking the things he said. If you want to prove Madara>WB just post the comment. I’m not maining either on each argument.

[@kwebvin9939]

And so ladies and gentlemen, this is why it'd be terrifying to have a normal life in an anime world, your house just gets obliterated and you see many air booms in the sky not knowing it's bunch of people fighting.

[@blvckpsyche7298]

Fr gone turn into Aki from chainsaw man😭

[@VeryHuman101]

Maybe, but all you gotta do is become a semi important character then you get decently strong and be able to protect yourself(not too important or you might die)

[@rain-mk6mf]

​@@VeryHuman101 and u can't even do that in real life💀

[@VeryHuman101]

@@rain-mk6mf I did do that in real life. why do you think I’m alive?

[@XAsh_black]

​@@VeryHuman101 nice comeback

[@Snail56]

Whitebeard wasn't an antagonist, he's a father

[@BetterCp335]

fr

[@Shrethit69]

nah bro ina real fight whitebeard is way stronger in his prime than madara in his prime. there is no omparison between them if you ask. @stormz9k

[@asgardironman8867]

Hes a pirate there all still pirates THEY ARE PIRATES NOT HEROS

[@Jonah-c6z]

I think its the opposite lol @@Shrethit69

[@Plutotrynabecool]

​@@asgardironman8867 akainu apprentice

[@carlisle6831]

Madara was so powerful even kishimoto didn’t know how to deal with him 😂 man wrote himself into a corner and then introduced aliens

[@ngayoozaako1895]

That's not true Kishimoto never intended for Madara to be the final villain

[@joshuadorado5104]

@Daniel MC Buggy D. Clown, Go D. Usopp or even Con D. Oriano can one shot Naruto Universe lowdiff. Not even fair for narutoverse dude.😂😂

[@Redwolf476-5]

@@ngayoozaako1895 the only reason he was not the final villain was because Kishimoto could not find a way to kill him

[@RyuKami_]

Whitebeard can break timeline he can break earth into 2 pieces if he uses his full power but he don't use his full power because he don't want his family members to get hurt

[@Redwolf476-5]

@@RyuKami_ and full power Madara could also destroy the world

[@AutisticMaven]

Whitebeard is a fucking tank, the dude tanked tons of sword wounds, cannonballs, magma fists, had part of his head and brain melted and still fought. Mind you that this version of whitebeard is an incredibly sick 70+ year old man who lost his haki, even at that age he was stated to be able to "Destroy the world"

[@aspreix5942]

@@jeom9306 huh

[@nishalsairamgaming7892]

​@@jeom9306 brother madara was Edo tensei into his prime

[@Xous_]

@@nishalsairamgaming7892 edo is faster

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

Nvm the medication, bro's literally on dextrose and still managed to tank that much 💀💀

[@rhenddhfbeb5996]

Fearless🗿

[@etherealcrater2804]

I hate when people try to say Kizaru is LS at max speed, this wouldn't make any sense as every single devil fruit can be improved such as Luffy increasing the distance he can stretch, so why wouldnt this rule apply to Kizaru's devil fruit?

[@cinemaster9012]

Oda himself said Kizaru travels at light speed in interviews

[@etherealcrater2804]

@@cinemaster9012 Did he say that LS is his absolute max speed?

[@animangaweeb8501]

Ffr

[@onetapff4464]

But he is the element light his full body is light and I don’t think light can increase its speed

[@onetapff4464]

Since he is light he has all the properties of light which Makes it impossible for him to go over light speed as light travels at a constant speed

[@ringingsilence9226]

If we are talking about edo Tensei madara, the fact one piece has no "sealing" techniques, he would clap because he basically becomes unkillable, thats why nobody talks about edo tensei vs a verse

[@kami_tgg2011]

Exactly

[@bye9925]

fr fr

[@zmaster5982]

I think he's talking about alive madara not edo tensie, and he's also not talking about ten tails madara just base alive madara

[@kami_tgg2011]

@@zmaster5982 we know but we’re just saying that people don’t talk about edo tensei madara because he would clap anyone in one piece

[@bananasaur5209]

@@kami_tgg2011 Because it doesn't make sense to talk about it since it's a plot device, not a character trait. Also, no he would not clap anyone in OP. Kizaru could freeze him. Boa could turn him into stone. Big Mom could remove his soul. Law could "cut" him. Green Bull is basically Hashirama. Crocodile is basically Gaara. Edo Tensei can't be killed but they can be immobilized.

[@solo8123]

Also madara would still be able to use susanoo with one eye because he’s able to use it with no eyes in the war

[@qazastroshift]

they didn’t even compare WB to post resurrection madara with sage mode and one rinnegan who scales highly above ems madara, let alone juubidara who is like 100 times stronger and has dura neg

[@solo8123]

@@qazastroshift they kinda wanked wb but didn’t wank madara I can easily get madara almost large star level due to six paths naruto and kaguya feats

[@diavolo1655]

They wanked WB.

[@LIGMADEEZN67]

No it's plot holes

[@solo8123]

@@LIGMADEEZN67 how it was never stated that after he attained susanoo that he needed his eyes to use it the explanation for what the susanoo is and how it can be used is vague so kishimoto could use it in many ways

[@chibk]

"Whitebeard is folding Madara like a pancake 🥞" *_Ten tails madara walks in_* "OH CRAP"

[@DiaNne31]

Whitebeard pulls off a continental seaquake against madara, ez slams

[@AMAZIAH]

​@madafac so he's below Madara's tier? Like I don't get what you're getting at.

[@WinterSupernova39]

@@AMAZIAH wb is definitely stronger

[@sayko9303]

Prime Whitebeard: Accidently puts ten tail to sleep with conqueror

[@chibk]

@@sayko9303 u rn: 🤡

[@crimsonryuki3268]

Whitebeard don't show all his power/strength on his appearance because Whitebeard can't stay on being Strongest Man In The World Whitebeard says too that he isn't showing all of his power

[@JackStigma]

Even then, the Madara used in the video was EMS alive Madara Edo Madara even with the edo nerf(which should not apply as Kabuto said edo Madara is stronger than in his glory days) still gets access to Hashirama cells, wood style, the rinnegan, infinite stamina (not chakra) and becomes immortal (so Whitebeard needs to incapacitate him as a win condition)

[@aramalqestoma1450]

​@@JackStigma Prime whitebeard can be easily assumed to have awakened his df by default since he was basically the strongest pirate. Which means, at a high level, his df can crqack an medium including time-space itself meaning he could spit madara's body in many pieces from the inside and outside with an awakened df attack from him with full power.

[@Ehstynago]

Haku was not moving at light speed against Naruto and Sasuke it was literally said multiple times that he was not trying to kill them and he has too much of a good heart so no Sasuke couldn’t perceive light speed if he could at that point, when Naruto and Sasuke were fighting he wouldn’t have got speed blitz by Naruto

[@Rengokumaster]

He didn’t say that He said that haku is faster than light overall

[@barutonarutonextgeneration5598]

And sasuke only said that haku wasn't going for a kill that doesn't mean he was moving slow and later in the manga when naruto was influenced by kurama chakara it clearly stated that naruto surpassed haku....

[@Dayz671]

Literally I'm a data books stated that Naruto characters are faster than light speed

[@rain-mk6mf]

But it still means that anyone from haku clan can move at light speed during war so why did they lose? Shouldn't they be at an unbelievable advantages since many people think only naruto and sauske are light speed? Naruto verse is a verse where a single blade wound can kill a ninja so yeah, last time i checked, no one from kaguya clan was among the top 10 of naruto world?

[@barutonarutonextgeneration5598]

@@rain-mk6mf there were like thousands of thousands of characters in narutoverse that are speed light...

[@The_endlessV1]

“Madaras speed is unquantifiable because there’s no clear way to tell how much faster madara was at the end” then you said “whitetbeard is so much faster than madara”, well how do you know that, you just said that madaras speed increases is unquantifiable so how do you know if whitebeard is faster than him. Your basing this off of an assumption which by the way you failed to show evidence. Clear one piece bias video

[@tiraedo-omozuwa3689]

These dude are capping left and right

[@ResiNight7717]

I’d like to see you try and difine unquantifiable

[@MoabTafH]

And he never mentioned genjutsu one time

[@Plutotrynabecool]

​@@MoabTafHdo we need to?

[@lackingtalent]

@@Plutotrynabecoolyeah kind of

[@SilentJnation]

Once again, Madras speed got hella lowballed.

[@pollihd5039]

It didnt get low balled. if you say that he reacted to that teleportation jutsu, its been debunked and you can say the same for wb as all yonkos where stated to be equal and kaido and big mom easily dodged laws teleportations

[@Calamity8]

@@pollihd5039 show me one time where White beard moved faster then madara?

[@ong6261]

​@@Calamity8 fighting the admirals since they scale faster than madara

[@SwapnilTete-y9e]

​@@ong6261madara is faster than any admiral.

[@ong6261]

@@SwapnilTete-y9e hes easily slower than all of them

[@seanwuzhere12]

This definitely came out before whitebeard clashed with roger. They literally fought for 3 days straight and Roger is said to be the strongest in the series. Unlike madara, whitebeard didn’t lose to Roger (at least not that fight anyway).

[@batsdragon0781]

Hashirama is stronger than Roger tho

[@batsdragon0781]

If u dont think Hashirama is stronger, then imagine Whitebeard vs Juubidara

[@Until_Time_Begins]

Bro they didn’t even talk about jubidarra

[@seanwuzhere12]

@@batsdragon0781 you can make a case for whitebeard being stronger than Hashirama. You can do the same with juubidara but the difference is that juubidara has so many hax whitebeard shouldn’t come out on top even if he’s stronger, just look at the fight with Guy. His haki is also said to not be as good as Rogers so his haki probably couldn’t even save him from the hax like most people’s Haki. Rogers haki is so strong it made him stronger than a man who can destroy their world which is as big as a sun.

[@rain-mk6mf]

@@seanwuzhere12 bro u do know that jubidara and jubito are planet buster or even star level since kaguya can create multiple dimensions and one dimension(sand) had a sun in it which means that even while low balling, kaguya can create 5 solar scale dimension and even destroy it, I am not saying that madara and obito are at kaguya power level but they should be at least relative to her since even hogoroma said that madaras power are reaching his level

[@static669]

12:40 WhiteBeard's DF doesn't compare to strength...according to your own logic white beards df is what allows him to destroy the planet, 1:40 that isn't strength thats just hax, you also claim that Madara wouldn't be able to perceive Madara which makes no sense, if Madara is lightspeed without the sharingan he'd easily be able to react to WB ftl attacks with his Sharingan, and you just ignored the fact Jubbidara exists, I know this video was made 3 years ago, but this just seems like shameless One Piece glazing 💀

[@salvadoraleixo2292]

The speed scaling in OP is seriously stupid but whatever Madara is so much stronger and you still find a way to downplay him

[@michaeldorsey9231]

If it’s just alive Madara/Edo Madara, the Whitebeard easily has the stronger AP. Ten Tails Madara would scale higher than Whitebeard based on current feats, but if we get further feats/confirmation of planetary destruction in One Piece, Whitebeard would take it overall.

[@freemoneycash664]

You miss spelled Naruto

[@Kyonari]

It's only stupid for you because it's consistent, and you are a Narutard

[@controlledhazard1277]

​@@michaeldorsey9231 if its edo madara he slams bc op verse dont got sealing shi

[@harshaggarwal1918]

@@michaeldorsey9231 Even if we get planetary destruction feats, rinne-sharingan madara still takes it. It's gonna need more than some planetary destruction feats for wb to scale above rinne sharingan madara specially taking into account madara's haxx. Not to mention he can simply create truth seeking orbs and limbos which would make it impossible for any character without so6p in both the verses to even touch him

[@peakmayfield1827]

"Just the third tomoe"?! Bruh, a 3 tomoe Sharingan is fully mature💀

[@hokagedlo6133]

No it's not Ms is the final stage you can achieve naturally. Ms visual prowess far surpassed 3 tomoé

[@peakmayfield1827]

I was talking about Sharingan, not Mangekyou Sharingan. 3 tomoe Sharingan is a fully mature Sharingan.@trs8%2F-wuw%2Cymuvu%60e%2Ccmm-cjalngl-UAdDXxQAtsmVjm_kz%60duD1xe

[@raymaxler8431]

This was actually quite shocking considering usually people compare Madara and Aizen

[@dofflamingooverfiction7561]

Stomp on aizens behalf

[@Veryveryinteresting23]

Aizen stomps seththeprogrammer over hypes naruto characters

[@cipherpol4775]

@@Veryveryinteresting23 your arguments ?

[@cipherpol4775]

@@hihello-sk5ql ? mhas nothing to to with the topic

[@hihello-sk5ql]

@@cipherpol4775 what?

[@DeussEx]

What about Madara dodging Tobiramas instant teleportation? Wouldn’t that give him him infinite speed?

[@defort2208]

nope flying rajin is based off reaction speed

[@hokagedlo6133]

No it's not especially not if it's used to attack as opposed to evading ​@@defort2208

[@raidenarashikage]

Which version of Madara are you guys using for this fight? I’m assuming alive Madara when he fought hashirama in the valley of the end? As for whitebeard I think your using not sick prime whitebeard. Sick whitebeard is getting destroyed, his movement is hindered, he can’t use conqueror haki, he has reduced stamina and yeah. But any other version of Madara is unkillable for whitebeard. Edo Madara can’t be kill, jubi Madara survived getting half of his body blown off by guy when he literally distorted space with his punch. Alive Madara with hashirama DNA implants can’t be touch, take Madara reaction time (which is a separate thing from just speed) and time that by a dozen since he now has sage mode and hashirama cell on top of his Uchiha DNA creating a balance (senju and Uchiha are descendent of indara and Asura). If whiteboard can land a few solid hit on valley of the end Madara (without his Susanoo) then yes, he absolutely dead. But Susanoo and the perfect Susanoo is absolute tank. The power of it is easily able to kill whitebeard if he get hit with that. Also genjutsu. Whitebeard doesn’t really have any defense against genjutsu. He wouldn’t know not to look Madara in the eye, or can’t break out if he is caught in it. To break out of a genjutsu, he need someone else to do it or use your chakra to dispelled the genjutsu user chakra from your body. Also Whitebeard being able to destroy the planet isn’t stated as he can destroy the world by his own sheer power but as a byproduct of the fact he can make earthquakes. And that earthquake is staking on top of each other as whitebeard can create multiple at once. The earthquake is what destroying things not whitebeard in a one punch man serious punch move. Whitebeard is not tanking a perfect Susanoo sword point blank, he’s gonna have a hard time breaking the Susanoo and not getting caught in a genjutsu and (if we are using valley of the end Madara) he’s gonna content with the nine tail. Now why am I giving Madara the nine tail, because it was shown that Madara binds the nine tail as his summoning animal. So like naruto summoning gamakichi. I’m sorry Madara win, perfect Susanoo is going tank a few punches and it’s offensive power is no joke. Genjutsu and kurama is way to much for whitebeard and not to mention all of Madara jutsu. Also also, he literally has a rewind button. Izanagi and Izanami which rewrite reality for him and trap whitebeard in a loop.

[@sofakinguseless32]

Finally someone with a brain

[@stephenbennett5240]

He's clearly implying the use of sick Whitebeards feats as that's all he is showing and explaining. So now multiply that by quite a lot and you have prime, young Whitebeard which would be complete overkill for Madara. Thank you for reading

[@raidenarashikage]

@@stephenbennett5240 with the comparison I’m doing in the comments above is comparing prime whitebeard and valley of the end madara. So I would say my opinion still stand, tho I do welcome different prospective and opinions

[@stephenbennett5240]

@@raidenarashikage it would defiantly be a closer fight with both primes. I’d love to see Oda and Kishimoto do a film together to see who would win 😂

[@raidenarashikage]

@@stephenbennett5240 I would pay for that! They are friends after all, last chapter of Naruto show the straw hat flag and oda drew luffy eating ramen with a guy that look like Naruto eating meat in the background

[@MonkeyDBoomE]

That "10 tails' chakra is like a small planet" stance gets me every time.

[@sapik7640]

The literal purpose of the ten tails is to destroy the world my guy

[@Cipher_Paul]

3:00 the laser beams he fires move at lightspeed but his physical body could very well move much faster than that awith many possibilities to argue a faster than light speed like calculating the energy transfer between his real massive body and his massless photon form, a potential awakening (tachyon speed or control of the Planck constant of his photons) or a potential combination of Soru and/or haki with his Devil Fruit. We don't know anything about Kizaru so everything is possible.

[@zqninja3334]

Kizaru makes no sense when it comes to speed. He is made of light, but he doesn't choose to just *Poof* and appear anywhere on the planet, or at least anywhere on an island, but he doesn't.

[@defort2208]

@@zqninja3334 Gravitonal pull and size of the planet

[@baby0891]

@@zqninja3334 1. Plot 2. The op planet is large

[@zqninja3334]

@@defort2208 GRAVITY DOESN'T STOP LIGHT WTF?! THEY LIVE IN A BLACK HOLE?!??

[@zqninja3334]

@@baby0891 Large indeed but I'm sure that only delays the amount of time Kizaru can travel around the planet by like... 2 seconds...

[@tonyhuwa641]

don't forget temari can blow away the universe

[@RAyden277]

who tf is temara 💀

[@tonyhuwa641]

Her sister maybe

[@BartholomewTheIII]

@@RAyden277 fr bro, it sounds like seafood.

[@levishonen]

Ain’t no way y’all forgot about temari

[@masonmcfadden4886]

Bro temari weak as heck she nothing compared to one piece character she wouldn't last in the east blue.

[@jayd.doubledubs]

So what we're getting at is that cautious Madara would be a menace

[@aramalqestoma1450]

if he could react to mftl speed sure

[@demigod8714]

one look in Madara's eyes and its over

[@smokeyjoseph1790]

His eyes with without verse equalization wouldt work cuz all genjutsus affect chakra

[@mayonnaise3959]

@@smokeyjoseph1790that’s why verse equalization goes for every fight

[@smokeyjoseph1790]

@@mayonnaise3959 no not everyone does that, some people hate it cuz it's not naturally how they're power systems work . It does not go in every fight or even in every conversation.

[@smokeyjoseph1790]

@@mayonnaise3959 oh also in this case specifically with sharingan and any other genjutsu there's argument it may not affect one piece verse cuz observation haki might detect it

[@mayonnaise3959]

@@smokeyjoseph1790 it does and should if you hate or don’t like it you’d just be trying to give your fav verse the edge

[@LetsbeHonestOfficial]

I'm sorry, but where are they getting these light speed references from? It's never mentioned, nor seen. LIGHT speed? We wouldn't be able to see anything. And if it were the case and they ''slowed down time'' for us to be able to see it, that hasn't been mentioned either. Whitebeard is an absolute tank, but if he was able to move at LIGHT speed he could've saved Ace by simply swooping him out of Marine Ford by transporting him to the other side of the planet. Light goes around the earth 7.5 times a SECOND, meaning the acceleration itself would kill anyone he'd carry. The dude was mostly standing still like a tank, so what the hell are you guys talking about?

[@pokerus1359]

Bro whitebeard at the time was 70+ and stupidly ill. Your expecting an old man to move like that?

[@LetsbeHonestOfficial]

@@pokerus1359 I'm expecting no one to move like that. That's my point.

[@Peace0155]

@@pokerus1359 which class r u studying?

[@pokerus1359]

@@Peace0155 why is that relevant?

[@rizz_osley8089]

I don't think wb can run or travel at light speed as there is no feats of him doing such but his reaction and combat speed is higher than light.

[@Chips-Tube-ce3gb]

What use is travel speed in an obvious qcq fight

[@goodbye6676]

@@Chips-Tube-ce3gb well when wb or any character in general is charging at madara that's travel speed no?

[@goodbye6676]

@@Chips-Tube-ce3gb when someone tries to pull of a sneak attack that relies on travel speed

[@marzouk6270]

To reaction and counter attack a light speed feat means you can move ftl

[@rizz_osley8089]

@@Chips-Tube-ce3gb well wb reaction and combat speed is faster but what I'm trying to say is madara can move/run faster and has better and more accurate range attacks even tho wb has more range lol. Get what I'm trying to say? Basically madara can keep at a range and attack without worrying about wb.

[@49hanihussain86]

Umm if you have watched 3d2y you can see Rayleigh say "you can't see things that move at the velocity of high-speed or light," debunking the lightspeed scale

[@Kyonari]

Wrong, he didn't say that

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

Lol op wankers love to ignore antifeats and statements. Much like jojo wankers.

[@Tryjardp]

And the moive isn’t cannon

[@Jeremiahkilday02]

Madara dodged an instantaneous sword slash for something to be instantaneous it has to be more than 10,000 times faster than light (instantaneous means moving from one space to another instantly) So white beard isn't even touching him Second the straw hats weren't light speed before the time skip as the starw hats were just jumping out of the way before the beam was fired (also they were getting injured from these attacks which shows there not light speed) Third if white beard is massively light speed how could he possibly get stabbed, and shot (he's only light speed when using observation haki) where as Madara could out blitz light speed characters in base (without sage mode). Finally this is human Madara if it was ten tails Madara white beard would have had his heart ripped out his chest before he could blink (Also oda said in an interview thit kizaru moves at the speed of light and is the fastest person in one piece)

[@Jeremiahkilday02]

Also he did this all wile in a weakened state

[@Jeremiahkilday02]

I don't disagree with the conclusion I disagree how you got there

[@buster64]

the fastest person in one piece is lucky roux u only know what you're talking about when it comes to naruto

[@Jeremiahkilday02]

@@buster64 well @buster this is a battle between white beard and Madara and if you read what I posted was they believe white beard is faster than Madara in the 2nd battle I am just saying no he's not in both movement speed and reaction time Madara is faster Madara moved from 1 battlefield to another which was estimated to be over hundreds of miles away in a few seconds so while white beard is more durable and stronger he is a lot slower also I am not caught up in one piece so I do not know how fast lucky is but until I see him fight and analyze the battle I'm going to go off of what oda said and again this is Madara not with the ten tails

[@buster64]

@@Jeremiahkilday02 thats what im trying to say oda never said kizaru is the fastest we dont see lucky roux fight but he was stated to be faster then his own shadow

[@tracesayre6788]

absolutely loving the vid... good talk and fine points yall nailed it. thanks.

[@TheIanarakawa]

yall realize Madara mastered all 5 changes in chakra right water style equals instant loss bruh and not to mention he can fight on water plus tobirama was able to manipulate bodies of water which includes seawater I'm sure Madara could use that sharingan to copy what he's seen from his most formidable opponents younger brother also the ability to make eye contact and win is broken

[@buster64]

bruh what am i hearing oda has already stated that only water that is still affects DF user point invalid try again

[@adityapsajjan8082]

@@buster64 then how did luffy fight against crocodile using water lol

[@BangSamMat]

A df user getting hit by water doesn't mean an instant death it just weakens them, that is all.

[@frostlord8485]

How would madras know that white bread weakness is water?

[@NintendoSegaGuys]

It needs to be standing water (or any liquid) and submerged up to a certain point or higher.

[@momotheone9700]

Another thing is like 100 times faster than light easily is kind of a big stretch because of the his infamous durability how much hundred bullet how much hundred cannon and 70+ stand that he is taking, like if someone is that much faster than light to get tagged so often? Kinda strange, if you that fast I'd expect for you to have less hits than that just saying. Even if you wanna say that maybe these bullets are fused with haki, tell me something is some captain forcing haki into a bullet gonna be fast enough to catch kizaru? And we know the whole kizaru and Ben Beckman thing,but that's point blank and is literally BEN BECKMAN not some normal navy, so that's already not looking good for 100 times the speed of light. Then you have Raleigh telling luffy that it's impossible to move at lightspeed, then we have kizaru who needs a light devil fruit, damn

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ Then you have Raleigh telling luffy that it's impossible to move at lightspeed, then we have kizaru who needs a light devil fruit” 1) The former statement isn’t in the manga proper from what I’ve read, it’s only been in 3D2Y. Even taking 3d2y’s canonicity into account, this is clearly contradicted by laser dodging feats seen in chapters like 508 and 560 where Luffy is dodging lasers without Haki. 2) Kizaru is never said to need his fruit to go that fast. Aside from the speed there are numerous advantages to having the powers of the Glint Glint fruit, from spamming projectiles to having an elemental body, and having a means of covering distance that doesn’t drain stamina.

[@nf5322]

@@michaeldorsey9231 Luffy isn,’t moving at light speed he is using his observation haki as pre-cognition to dodge and the lasers were not point blank so it would not be light speed regardless

[@saucekay6793]

@@nf5322 you still have to be fast enough to move out the way, and the other person shooting the laser, like Kizaru and kuma also has observation haki and would be aiming to where they precog you going to, regardless it is light speed

[@zemzem1238]

@@nf5322 Observation haki only works on things with will from what I remember and a robot doesn’t have that so that means that he should be ftl+ if that’s light. I have my own issues with that even being light since it explodes which lasers don’t do but if it somehow is then it should be ftl+

[@jking6053]

During the war, whitebeard’s observation and conquerors haki were essentially nonexistent. We know this from Marco saying it shouldn’t have been possible for Squardo to stab whitebeard(we see ace can’t even sneak attack him in his sleep) and him failing to use Conq to stop Ace’s execution(which Luffy had to use instead). The most we’ve seen of whitebeard was at his worse. A fatal disease that induced heart attacks and crippled his haki(despite remaining calm and his clear sign of strong will) as well as being late in age.

[@dindong5396]

“No sealing technique” nerds when WB blows up the earth

[@Motorgrindset1]

Lol you can’t find it anywhere that kizaru’s light speed feats are only baseline every single feat he portrayed in this verse has been him moving at lightspeed and it’s debatable if his base movement speed is even light speed at all because combat speed and movement speed are completely different things

[@khulmach9662]

"Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light"

[@jaguarmuda3294]

A Prime Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi Punch mixed with Ryuo Haki to the liver like Akainu or to the gut? I don't see Madara surviving that in base form.

[@bye9925]

even if prime whitebeard ryuo haki whatever he not one shotting akainu or 10 shotting him. And he forsure isnt beating madara in his strongest form which is Six path, madara will bully the verse lmao

[@gserendipity]

@@bye9925 proof of that? you sound like you don't know ryuo with your statement of "even if prime wb ryuo haki 'whatever' " you're just bias as fuck and can't accept that white beard manhandles your favorite character

[@gserendipity]

ryuo haki is durability neg itself, it destroys the opponents within, no matter how strong or tough your defenses are. This was shown against luffy and kaido

[@AstroSully]

Naruto’s character that doesn’t have Hashi Cells are not competing at all with One Piece characters durability and endurance.

[@cupiksensei353]

Let me guess before I watch.. One Piece characters sometimes dodge a generic laser beam so they're 365x light speed

[@static669]

Pretty much lol

[@Gamewithzzlive]

I love when luffy can travel around the world in less then a tenth of a seccond becuase he is at or more the speed of light.

[@jaredhollenbach237]

Yeah thats usually where the LS arguments in anime vs fall apart lol.

[@jw.dp11]

light speed combat and reaction speed are VERY different from lightspeed travel speed

[@Gamewithzzlive]

@@jw.dp11 during the skypia arc we see nami who is suposed to be human dodge a bolt of lighting wich travels at 1/3 the speed of light. This is in both the manga and anime. And you cannot say it was reaction time becuase the bolt of lighting is shot then she dodges.

[@kingcrimsonisconfusing8404]

FR FR

[@Zebtheking]

@@jw.dp11 thats what Im always telling people but they dont listen.

[@obetheegamr4820]

Feats + statements > statements WB literally shows no ability to destroy the one piece world which isn't dwarf star level his source for this was trust me bro, and we got a globe representation of the one piece world and comments which didn't indicate this at all. Taking that SERIOUSLY is akin the takin the fact that it was stated that Madara susanoo destroys all things in the universe and kakashi being omnipotent and his chidori being able to cut through anything

[@Tylearned]

LMFAO, if the statement isn’t contradicted then it don’t matter that’s how it works 😭. Whitebeard is way faster and jus beats him wit dura neg

[@obetheegamr4820]

@@Tylearned dura neg is a no limit fallacy just like saying naruto with truth seeking orbs just solos any other verse because it ignores defense. imma say this again we see clashes of devil fruit abilities meaning that the gura gura no me doesn't just automatically defaults every other attack we see this with akainu and with his fights with ace and power systems are equalized in terms of principal when comparing verses so chakra and haki and devik fruit would have to work relatively to same or the fight wouldn't make sense and we know Madara is capable of out putting way more power WAYYYYY MORE.

[@obetheegamr4820]

@@Tylearned WB isn't faster either I explained why ur speed scaling is built upon a erroneous foundation of anyone else in the verse having light MOVEMENT SPEED OTHER THAN KIZARU. And imma say this again IF LIGHT SPEED WAS SUCH COMMON PLACE THEN KIZARU WOULDN'T BE VAGUELY RELEVANT . Luffy and Zoro struggle to cover distance in dressrosa is a anti feat and gifter kidnapping Tama and running off leaving luffy is a anti feat RAYLEIGH ONE OF THE STRONGEST IN VERSE SAYING THAT U CANT REACT TO KIZARU WITHOUT OBSERVATION HAKI IS A ANTI FEAT. NO ONE IN ONE PIECE HAS LIGHT MOVEMENT SPEED BESIDE KIZARU

[@obetheegamr4820]

@@Tylearned blind Madara BLIND MADARA REACTING TO INSTANTANEOUS TELEPORTATION AND FUCKIN WB WHO ISN'T CLOSE TO LIGHT SPEED IS GONNS BLITZ HIM.

[@obetheegamr4820]

@@Tylearned and it's contradicted alright by his actions in verse that dont reflect this whether indirectly or directly cuz I'm not one of those fool who say well Did We SeE HiM DeSTrOY A PlAnEt no this wasn't even indirectly shown and how disproportionately Powerful would that fruit be BB would literally take over the world 0 DIFFICULTY

[@ferifunny]

literally literaaaaly non of you guys talk about sage of the six path madara whyyyyyy

[@Vailah]

Probably the worst Naruto scalers I’ve seen in my life 😭 Jesus the down play is fucking wild

[@TegaOruma]

His a one piece creator what do you expect?

[@davidwinston8122]

I might’ve missed it but why was 10 tails madara not used? Is it because it wouldn’t be fair or something?

[@okok4981]

yeah I don't think it would be fair since Madara can just fly away and cast Infinite Tsukuyomi which is an instant win in the most boring way possible.

[@somerandomperson5473]

He's basically immortal

[@AliSanabani123]

My boy Whitebeard got resurrected in the wrong anime verse 😂

[@A-viking-king420]

I agree Madara with his abilities like genjusu could just end the fight if he does it but because he doesn't like using genjusu unless have to but it still doesn't take the fact Madara could just genjusu whitebeard down to his knees honestly I still say Madara wins

[@bluecranecomics]

Genjutsu affects one's flow of chakra that's how it works and wb has no Chakra so there's literally no point here, genjutsu is useless in the one piece world

[@oarnondaily]

@@bluecranecomics well there's haki, and if they lived in the same world, madara would absolutely neg

[@BartholomewTheIII]

@@oarnondaily haki isn't chakra though...

[@manlight5035]

@@oarnondaily If we equalize chakra and haki, then genjutsu would be easily countered by haki control by any master of haki, since every haki user can control haki inside his whole body and concentrate it on certain parts of his body.

[@animeproblem1070]

​@@manlight5035 it affects literally pathways in the brain that don't exist for one piece characters even if you equalize the energy it doesn't magically give one piece characters Chakra pathways

[@MasterRahl221]

These power scalers are insanely amazing!

[@ferifunny]

why non of you midpice fans wont mention anything literally anything about jubidara

[@barutonarutonextgeneration5598]

This video made my day 😂😂😂😂😂😂it's so funny, they really think WB win

[@tanjiro1813]

cry

[@AstroSully]

Next checks out 😂

[@Chillguy5o]

​@@tanjiro1813it looks like your crying

[@centiments11]

​@@Chillguy5o cry

[@salchichonportuano7874]

Best wb feat: tillting and island, spliting the clouds above and affecting an entire planet with tremors and tsunamis Best madara feat : mountain sized boulders 😐

[@amiablereaper]

Honestly I think current!Blackbeard is actually the best fit for the Madera of one piece I'm almost certain he'll have another form or his actions will cause another villain to show up during the final battle

[@NightBreaker246]

*Tbh these are just opinions and people have different ones for example i think Madara would win but tylearned thinks whitebeard would win*

[@YoruichiTheAlmighty]

Madara blitzes.

[@Tylearned]

Repeat the cap

[@valdrindodaj5029]

@@Tylearned want to debate

[@Bringmorehoes]

@@Tylearned bruh you're just one piece fan like me but i had watched both anime i know who's gonna win not i everyone know who had watched both anime.

[@cipherpol4775]

@@valdrindodaj5029 xd madara is at beast ftl wb is massivly faster than light so wb would just blitz him

[@valdrindodaj5029]

@@cipherpol4775 can i ask a question

[@dr.michaelpines.1803]

I just want to point out that just because you can dodge lightspeed attacks, does not mean you can travel at light speed or attack at light speed. Otherwise the fact that a good chunk of characters can dodge the lasers of the Pacifistas and Kizaru would mean that these characters are faster than Kizaru, which is false. Kizaru is the fastest being on the planet, followed by Enel, who is made of lightning, at second.

[@stephenbennett5240]

Kizaru is not stated to be the fastest character. We see Shanks in One Piece Red easily catch up to Kizaru. We know he's ONE OF THE fastest but not THE fastest

[@YoshikageAkira]

Yes someone finally gets it reaction and movement are two different things but I still think whitebeard can move at the speed of light because of how fast Luffy gear 5 is relative to whitebeard.

[@macx3r0]

It'd be dumb to,assume WB doesn't have future sight haki. Which would be hard for anyone to fight

[@Musmus-vo6dk]

I think it’s hard to say for sure white beard is faster than madara. If KCM1 is 72 times faster than the raikage who is at bare minimum light speed, and then he receives an amp from KCM2 and then stacks toad sage mode on top of it and a slower edo tensei madara is dealing with him casually it’s hard to say how much more times faster than light he is especially bc we don’t fully know how much of a nerf edo tensei is so who knows how fast he would be alive

[@justnojustn3036]

This is pretty close but if we are talking about final form Madara and prime Whitebeard I'm still giving it to Madara who has better had and AP

[@iprince7934]

nah still give it to wb cause bro letteraly destroys a star lvl planet

[@justnojustn3036]

@@iprince7934 no he doesn't. His devil fruit can destroy the planet through natural disasters not in one big attack.

[@iprince7934]

@@justnojustn3036 no i get how ur thinking but wb is much more powerful than that his casualy able to shift tectonic plates .a multi continental feat .whith out haki which is a 150 x multiplier not to mention aokiji was able to freeze a one peice ocean which is the size of jupiter so wb should be multi planetary

[@justnojustn3036]

@@iprince7934 haki isn't a multiplayer and it doesn't change the effectiveness of a devil fruit. His muti Continental feats should be the same with or without haki . It only makes his normal punches stronger. The one piece ocean isn't the size of Jupiter as well and aokiji never froze the entire ocean

[@iprince7934]

@@justnojustn3036 ok bro u need to wathc one peice raleigh clearly states thats haki make the user stronger not to mention luffy haki has increased and his fighting kaido in basekzbin.info/www/bejne/e56of5yoqb-Gn80

[@cmcskittles]

I like that his debunk for Kizaru stating he’s kicking at light speed is “this calc has luffy faster than light and Kizaru has to be faster than him” 😭😭😭😭

[@harshaggarwal1918]

madara speed feats- darui uses light speed attack and ms sasuke reacts to it. ms sasuke then gets blitzed by raikage. raikage then gets blitzed by kcm 1 naruto who then got amped into kcm2 and still got handled like a child by base madara. LS

[@nowwhat6716]

These one piece fans be reaching 🤣

[@Tylearned]

Debunk it or stop talking bruh

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

They’re so desperate it’s almost sad. You know they’re being oblivious to the several antifeats on purpose because they bank on narutards not watching op. They know deep down their verse is fodder but they want to cover it up. First time I hear of mftl characters who can’t dodge bullets and canon balls.

[@sarveshnathan7559]

@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 Name a single character like that

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

@@sarveshnathan7559 Literally the character talked about in the video 🤡

[@zainedits4919]

​@smtandearthboundsuck8400 whitebeard only took most of those shots to prevent damage against his crew who he views as his family

[@grerook9427]

One piece planet is not bigger than ours. I hate that argument because it’s disingenuous AF, the whole calc comes from measuring the river in alabasta and extrapolating from there. The river is just another of the THOUSANDS of size related inconsistencies in one piece, for example, zoro uses the sword of oden and it’s the same size as his regular swords, enma seems to be the same proportion with zoro and oden, even tho oden according to the official heights is more than TWICE as big as zoro. Same thing with the pharaoh guard at impel down, in some panels he is shown to be almost twice as tall as the vice admiral visiting the prision, even tho both when in relation with luffy seem to be the same size. Or oda for example not using continent to actually mean continent but a very big thing, the gigantic turtle at the start of Jaya for example, or kizaru freezing a “continent of ice” while he only connected two parts of the same island that get separated with the high tide but it’s close enough that you can walk between them. More than that depending on what you use to measure the OP planet you could get it to be even smaller than ours, like for example the “coup the bourst” that makes the sunny fly a whole kilometer, which in whole cake island was enough to go over the horizon. Does that mean that the one piece planet is smaller than the moon? Of course it doesn’t, it’s a size inconsistency, that’s it. Lastly there is the argument that there is a replica of the one piece planet at the O’Hara library with multiple moons, and that’s just dumb, it’s a place where they keep things from history it very well could be outdated and wrong, or be a heliocentric model or whatever. Never in the whole story has there appeared a second moon in the story, let alone even more, and it’s not like the moon in one piece isn’t important, if there where more moons it would be a plot point. So please can we all stop with this bulshit? It’s clearly not the intent of oda for the OP planet to be whoever many docens or hundreds of times bigger than our own, it’s some minor inconsistencies that try hard OP scalers have tried to use to make the high tier of the verse way stronger than they actually are, one piece high tiers scale anywhere between multi continental to planetary and that’s it.

[@Xeno-is-hope]

Old whitebeard:🤯 Madara:🤯 Prime whitebeard:☠️☠️ Six paths madara:☠️💀

[@jjnation6446]

Six paths madara and prime whitebeard aren't equivalent comparisons cause madara can't just use 6 paths.

[@gserendipity]

hard to scale them because prime whitebeard has close to no showcase of how powerful he is except for when he clashed with roger, and oden in contrary to madara who's been shown what he's capable of doing even as a corpse, so it's hard to say for sure. Things might change if oda reveals some more prime whitebeard and roger feats in the future

[@Tacticalzd]

nigga NO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 whitebeard is getting WHOPPED regardless 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Fallen_2003]

The Uchiha basically invented “Full Counter” from 7DS with the “Uchiha Reflection”

[@dudewassup7584]

I still believe Madara is stronger

[@rajjoel2291]

Just a daily reminder that Whitebeard at Marineford was on LIFE SUPPORT, imagine the madara obito met versus this Whitebeard.

[@bye9925]

The madara that obito meet was literally in his death door who couldnt move or use any jutsu or anything at all, he was a living corpse and the only reason he was still living was cuz of the White zetsu cells that was keeping him alive. The madara that obito meet was in millions of times worse codition then whitebeard, not to fucking mention Madara was way older then whitebeard.

[@erensafar891]

14:00 the reason why the author didn’t tell us the power diff between kcm 1 and kcm 2 is because of powerscalers

[@spaghettimaghetti5042]

SOP6 Naruto or Juubito is already enough to beat the entire one piece verse

[@Sa1nvictus]

Law + Sugar combo with prep time can even solo dbz verse if the fights are in character. Narutoverse would be fodder for such a combo. Law could just either soul switches all strong characters into weaker bodies and hence the strong guys are now weak and weak guys are in strong bodies without the know-how to use them. Or law can just teleport sugar and her touch alone can immbolize and and make everyone forgot that person. Law + sugar combo solos Naruto verse super casually. Naruto got no answers to Laws hacks alone. LOL. he aint soloing no one sorry.

[@spaghettimaghetti5042]

@@Sa1nvictus didnt law still loose to a string man? Also sugar isn’t that fast they can just speed blitz her easily sasuke basically has the same abilities as law but better

[@spaghettimaghetti5042]

@@Sa1nvictus swap teleportation gravity control soul steal amaterasu a flame that can burn hotter than the sun dimensional travel enchanced genjutsu limbo clones 6 paths ability meteor summon space time travel>laws abilities sorry bro but the Naruto verse is just a stronger verse than one piece

[@Sa1nvictus]

@@spaghettimaghetti5042 still no to counter soul switch.

[@Sa1nvictus]

@@spaghettimaghetti5042 Btw, the "string man" survived having every organ in his body being ripped to shreds. SHREDS. Stop trying to down play Doflamingo. Hes a beast. Show where Naruto Characters survived every single organ in their body being to ripped to shreds and just standing up momments later, while theyre alive, edo tensei forms are not norm. "String man" solos the akatsuki save for Tobi who wont be able to damage Doflamingo so hell have to run using Kamui.

[@kaizer6009]

i like how people forget madara can summon clones WITH Susanoo which can cut threw literal mountains like butter its like putting 5-10 mihawks up against a wb

[@sourcematerial1946]

naruto was dodging photon beams while fatigue to the point where even moving hurts

[@Darthjojo47]

Vid idea: who is the strongest live action spiderman

[@solo8123]

If kcm 1 naruto is light speed than kcm 2 naruto is way faster than light at that point because we know more bijuu chakra means more speed and power we see this with every jinjuriki when they use bijuu chakra they get massive speed amps and naruto being able to give the shinobi alliance 3x more chakra you could easily say naruto got infinitely faster in kcm 2 than kcm1 because it would be unquantifiable madara should be faster than kcm2 naruto due to him reacting to him and even blowing his attacks back at him I think the speed is closer than you think

[@Joe-uk4vu]

lmao, Naruto is not light speed, it was never stated that he was faster than light. Madara still stomps tho

[@solo8123]

@@Joe-uk4vu he is there are weaker and slower characters stated to be light speed or have light speed jutsus go read some data books the raikage is stated to be at the speed of light kcm 1 naruto was faster darui has a jutsu called laser circus that is literally light reflecting off water which is also stated to be light speed and weaker and slower characters reacted to it and dodged it kcm1 naruto is already ftl any faster forms are way above light you didn’t refute any of my arguments so I don’t know why I responded tbh all you said was he wasn’t light speed prove it or don’t respond also the mc is almost never stated to be light speed in any series they just fight against light speed characters and speed blitz them meaning they would be faster than light and feats>>>statements always

[@zemzem1238]

@@solo8123 I mean, Kcm 1 was calced at 18xftl iirc and if we assume Kcm 2 is the same multiplier as kcm 1 which is the same as sage mode, then kcm 2 sage mode is 100x faster making him 1800xftl. This doesn’t include So6p which is even stronger and you can stack the 100x stronger on too if that so with minimal scaling, Naruto kcmSo6p at the end if Shippuden is 180000xftl

[@solo8123]

@@zemzem1238 I don’t use calcs or numbers to much when scaling but if I did it would be something crazy probably even more than you got if we actually go off amps because we know the curse mark 2nd stage is a 10x multiplayer and sage mode clearly amps the user way more than the curse mark and so does all the kcm variants actually kcm2 should be a much bigger amp than sage mode yea it could get crazy

[@josephrogers3666]

@@Joe-uk4vuhaku when at full power I’d light speed and yagura is stronger than it as he is the Kage that they failed to assassinate and as a kage is the strongest in village and an possibly amped yagura that had a fight with kcm naruto in war

[@risaiahgamers5686]

???? so everyone who can react to G2 luffy is 1800x lightspeed? You must have made a mistake bro thats cap.

[@tabukashviligigi2045]

Izanagi isn’t even needed in this fight if you put ten tails jinchuriki madara against wb he will just regenerate every attack whitebeard does to him also true seeking orbs are no joke too but if you want overkill madara could just use infinite tsukiyomi and fights over even with prime wb so this comparison was stupid asl yall had garbage takes about speed madara just slaps in every aspect never debate again 💯🗣

[@misterentityyt1704]

Good video. I think we can all agree Kaguya ruined Naruto’s greatest villain and we need more white beard scenes.👍

[@khalidmallhi]

*kishimoto

[@-rew_editz-5141]

Agreed👍

[@awezsiddiqui7696]

5:24"whitebeard is a chad"🗣🗣 Bro spitting fax

[@kiranlama2886]

white beard and roger was fighting all out for 3days straight in a island. and the island was still fine. and people saying they are star planatery level.

[@Lesolate]

Whitebeard and Roger got a crew to protect why would they go all out. Plus they are homies

[@euwee8701]

He never even used his fruit and that does not speak for ap. In dragon ball 2 very strong characters dont even destroy the village they fight in. And even if whitebeard did use devil fruit he can can control it but from what we know they just used Haki in the fight.

[@Chris-rj4bt]

Wtf you can literally use this logic for most fights in anime though? Why would we want to watch a fight where the island breaks and they just fall into the water? That doesn’t take away from their power. Their shockwave alone is enough to split skies and cause tidal waves

[@Chris-rj4bt]

@@euwee8701 exactly this guy is just using some dumb ass logic to take away from their strength. Literally every anime feat is impossible to portray 100% of the time and if it was it would be the most unenjoyable shit to watch

[@euwee8701]

@@Chris-rj4bt true and let's just have whitebeard destroy earth and die along with it and all his family lol. Its such stupid logic and they act like they are so clueless and attempt to downplay when ever they can even though it's very obvious why these things cant happen in certain anime.

[@marcosmc3709]

This is a miss if you think Whitebeard can beat Madara lol 😂

[@YoruichiTheAlmighty]

The toxic One Piece fans think so🤣

[@Tylearned]

Has a Madara pfp

[@Tylearned]

???

[@YoruichiTheAlmighty]

@@Tylearned Has a Luffy pfp…

[@marcosmc3709]

@@Tylearned it’s Sasuke actually lol

[@vfxamin]

Changed the thumbnail or am I tripping?

[@KageKagemaru97]

Great Video 👍, thoughts on who will win Luffy (Dressrosa arc) vs Naruto (Pain's Assault arc)

[@Sun-cg6lv]

Luffy’s faster. In relative stats though it’s interesting

[@young_shaad5227]

@@Sun-cg6lv Naruto pre cog may help him out but iirc sage mode last 5 minutes. Gear fourth and sage mode should give around a similar amp due to Luffy making g4 in mind to handle giant animals and sage mode Naruto having similar feats of strength with him throwing around pain summonings. Also imo Naruto may have an edge with his long range attacks since rasenshurikin should be able to pierce through g4 defenses since he was able to do so during his fight with Kurama. This same Naruto didn't get to train either iirc. However this could be debated but I doubt that Luffy is anywhere near Kuramas level even at this point. Plus if we're using that as an example Naruto could simply spam a million odama rasengans at Luffy and it'd most likely be GG.

[@Sun-cg6lv]

@@young_shaad5227 Sage Mode precog=Basic Observation precog imo

[@Sun-cg6lv]

@@young_shaad5227 that Sage Naruto is not the same Sage Naruto who fought Pain. (The one vs Kurama) he got stronger. He couldn’t use SM in that many clones yet.

[@young_shaad5227]

@@Sun-cg6lv good point with that last part but I do however disagree with that first statement since he didn't have time to train and if so he wasn't massively stronger than his pain arc self but you can say he was more proficient with sage mode

[@tomspeed6026]

Actually Whitebeard is Dwarf Star-Star since it stated that the One Piece world is as big as a star and Whitebeard is stated numerous times to be able to destroy it

[@barutonarutonextgeneration5598]

Who told you that 😂😂😂😂😂

[@eggwet8767]

this source better be from oda and not kishiodaraki III esteemed mangaka of three slots

[@tomspeed6026]

@@eggwet8767 actually, it’s from the databooks. It states that the One Piece world is 3.23 times bigger than our sun. Don’t hate me, hate the databooks

[@kahunaavant6214]

First of all it isnt stated in the data books about how big the one piece world is, people just use math to theorize and if there is a statement please send the link. Second of all Whitebeards can cause natural disasters that are enough to destroy the world he can’t just make it go boom 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@barutonarutonextgeneration5598]

@@kahunaavant6214 yes you are right and if a character is stated to be able to destroy a planet... first you need to prove that someone other than him has already done that... if not then the statements are unveiled...

[@zachspool]

This was years ago so I’m late, but y’all know that planet destruction statement isn’t literal right?

[@missingotaku2763]

I feel like rinne-rebirth madara would have been a better choice

[@XeroNova35]

Or six path madara

[@senretsu6241]

@@XeroNova35 six paths Madara would spit on the verse bro

[@Tylearned]

@@senretsu6241 is so6p Madara even MFTL?

[@too_official6194]

@@Tylearned lol u trolling right I hope even base madara is mftl scaling to kcm2 and treating him like a child when he’s several times faster then kcm1 who is ftl

[@valdrindodaj5029]

@@Tylearned ms sasuke was able to react to darui laser circus which moves at the speed of light , the raikage was way faster than that sasuke and naruto in kcm 1 blitz him and even edo madara scales to kcm 2 naruto

[@random2146]

The simple explanation is Madara wins.... One piece are so obsessed with light... Only kizaru can reach that feat... Light speed isn't 10m/s.. it's fucking 300000km/s.. And wb being faster than light is just a joke💀.... In Naruto manga: "Madara's susanoo is said to destroy anything in the universe with a single slice" In one piece manga. " This man can destroy the world" Now it's up to you if you wanna consider these statement a hyperbolic or not... But there no way Madara Lossing to Whitebeard.

[@jeom9306]

White beard is very durable and strong but not against madara .

[@swackety1513]

did u even watch the video. wb is too fast

[@jeom9306]

@@swackety1513 yes

[@mysticponyexpress2978]

Kcm2 is a full unleash of kuramas chakra making him masively stronger and faster than kcm1. Its shown in the series that naruto originally cannot maintain kcm2 for more than 5ish minutes while with kcm1 he was able to control it perfectly and maintain it for much longer spread out across hundreds of clones so id say kcm2 is atleast 100x more of an amp than kcm1

[@khalidmallhi]

100x seems a little too much but fair ig

[@mysticponyexpress2978]

@khalidmallhi idk tbh kcm2 did put him at being able to fend off madara and obito rather well vs kcm1 which was nothing to them

[@Madmavrick215]

The one piece fandom winning another character debate against the narutards "CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER"

[@Kyonari]

SO HIGH

[@blipblop2473]

Broooo we better not be talking bout juubidara😭

[@somefatkid2080]

Nah we talking about base madara

[@barutonarutonextgeneration5598]

There are kurama statement that just shows how big of a difference is there between kcm1 and kcm2 naruto in kcm2 naruto uses almost half Kurama’s chakara ,while in kcm1 naruto kurama stated that kcm1 chakara is just a tiny portion of his chakara ...

[@jaredhollenbach237]

Yeah it puts into perspective why they say a full Kurama is able to destroy the world.

[@jasonwalkerll3608]

This is one reason I hate powerscaling in one piece like how can you be lightspeed if you’re getting hit by gunshots like come on if you can react to attacks that can travel dozens of times around the planet in a second you should at least have time to react to a simple gunshot on guard or not and whitebeard literally barely dodged any attacks throughout marineford all he did was tanked them until he died

[@kewpiesensei]

yeah wb is extremely slow and nowhere near ls lol

[@jasonwalkerll3608]

@@kewpiesensei exactly like you mean to tell me whitebeard beats madara because he is faster then him? Madara would destroy minato who literally is known as the yellow flash speed means nothing when you have ems

[@t-jaiamos1932]

Prime WB is wiping the Madara who attacked the village. Once he gets sage of 6 paths Madara can near solo the verse

[@revenantronin8377]

Solo which verse? 🤣 🤣 You're joking right? His literal defined weakness is physical attacks, taijutsu. And there are more than 50 characters who are physically stronger than Might Guy and at least 10 who are way faster. He is broken when his opponents use ninjutsu, dojutsu, sage jutsu and the like, but his durability is trash. There are characters who can teraform an island and make it a part of their power/domain of sorts(awakening) which just negs all his wood jutsus by default, you think he can solo the verse still? 🤣 I like Madara so I don't want to be disrespectful, but it would take less than it did in Naruto to kill him. It took around 6 characters to push him to the edge, then Zetsu stole the kill... I think 4 will be enough from the One Piece side, and it will be a complete stomp as well. Kaido Katakuri Luffy Law Madara won't even be able to react at this point lmao... 3 future sight users moving at mftl speeds on top of that and they have mental and soul hax resistance because they're conquerors, and 1 broken support that negs all incoming attacks... it's not even fair 😕

[@prozitaitir7356]

@@revenantronin8377madara could just destroy the world if he wants to

[@revenantronin8377]

@@prozitaitir7356 like he did in Naruto?

[@prozitaitir7356]

@@revenantronin8377 his goal was not to destroy the naruto world but to perform the infinite tsukuyomi

[@Lifebelikethatbro]

One piece my fav anime and is better than Naruto by far but Madara can damn near solo the One piece verse

[@heisenberg9595]

Madara literally stomos the verse lol these op fans are literal definition of delusional 😂

[@salchichonportuano7874]

Wb: affec5s an entire planet due to his power tilting and islan spliting the sky amd sending tremors and tsunamis around the world Madara: creates mountain sized boulders Naruto dick riders on another lvl of glaze 💩💩💩💩

[@jabariarnold4659]

Dude wb as an old man took a stomach full of magma

[@makhou_san8068]

Madara folding everyone is One piece verse …wake up to reality 😂😂

[@7thtier336]

Enel good he’s on the moon.

[@islamardjoune1042]

Base madara wont even pass throw akainu lol if madara was in one piece they wont let him do what he want absorb tree and nine tails lol and absorb hashirama chzkra lol like useless characters of naruto

[@makhou_san8068]

@@7thtier336 Madara summons Meteorites and Infinite tskuyomi reflects off the moon and ain’t no Haki saving you

[@makhou_san8068]

@@islamardjoune1042 who is stopping ….devils fruits are a weakness of seawater is available which can be summoned …Akainu scared of Shanks bro you kidding me

[@islamardjoune1042]

@@makhou_san8068 he can summon seawater lol and what di you think akainu cant counter that and when he see water he will surrender lol he can change his environment to magma lol

[@anime_lover733]

Madara doged the light speed attack without eye His 10 tails form S06P can destroy planet S06P each orbs ball is a black hole level,he take all damage from 8 inner gates still alive and recover,bcz of hashirama cell and EMS he doesn't get blind ,etc

[@swackety1513]

do you have any idea what u just said. "each orb is blackhole level"

[@John-gv4ee]

​@@swackety1513his orb destroy everything including souls.And his limbos are from different dimension and easily destroy Wb in every dimension.Wb is just too weak for Madara since Madara will never get hurt from lower existance

[@swackety1513]

@@John-gv4ee no one in naruto is anywhere near a first hand commander in one piece let alone a yonko. the speed difference is way too much. maybe equal stats madara wins but simply the fact that whitebeard is said to be able to destroy the world where the world of one piece is lowballed 10x bigger than earth is crazy. madara and his orbs would work if whitebeard had naruto scaling

[@Jonah-c6z]

Before I get into this I would like you all to know this is no hate to the creators, Tyleaned and brokenronin but I just want to share my own opinion on the topic on hand. (1:27) The Wb statement doesn't actually mean he can destroy the world (in 1 shot), the proof you provided only proves that he can shake the world. Look up the definition of "trembling" it means shaking, being able to shake a world means nothing. Another definition of trembling is scared so it doesn't take away the conclusion of it a society away. (2:06) I would need to see your ftl calcs because I only know of rel calcs, besides the rel calcs are more consistent seeing Luffy got blitzed by a light speed attack. (2:24) worlds strongest doesn't make you the worlds fastest. You can take our world for example Eddie wouldn't compare to any Olympic runner. (2:52) The Pad canon is "air pressure deflected at light speed creating a piercing shock wave" meaning its lower then light speed. Take a bouncy ball for example if you drop it, it will move a certain speed but once it hits the floor and bounces again that speed will be reduced. (3:44) sure if you want to think that's fine but you are also going to need to acknowledge "Naruto: Road to Ninja" is also canon to the story. It was approved by Kishimoto just like Oda approved of "3D2Y" and its based off a data book created by Kishimioto himself. By using the 100x amp it contradicts Luffys scaling so it would be completely disingenuous not to use the universal to multiversal level feats inside the "Road to Ninja" Movie. (i wont really be getting in the Narutos side of scaling, I'm not feeling it but I do think Madara wins both fights in my opinion if I come back maybe I might finish my comment but for now I will leave it. Overall I think he lowballed the Naruto Character, forgetting that Chakra is a multiplier, you can add more Chakra to places in your body which can get Naruto all the way up to 30,000x ftl scaling only in his kcm2 form. I also don't necessarily disagree with the Wb scaling I just disagree with the methods.) Also would like to add, love yall vid keep up the work you guys. :)

[@Packirup1234]

I don't understand how being able to blitz a relativistic attack makes u light speed But sure

[@IBdrawn]

Because multiples of relativistic could equal up to sol or even flt or literally mftl depending on how many multiple there are. blitzing someone is bare minimum 4x faster than that person but the distance that you blitzed them also accounts for how many multiples there could potentially be

[@Packirup1234]

@@IBdrawn ................ Relativisc multipliers can never reach mftl Ftl is even a highball And this can only be done if u calc stack which is disingenuous

[@maolenvinpelaez2199]

Whitebeard beats every Madara except Madara with Limbo and 10Dara.

[@cohenfox2106]

That first round doesn’t make sense. How can you question WB stamina with the amount of damage he received and was still fighting? The man received fatal blows numerous times and was still fighting🙁. And then to compare Madara fighting for a long time without receiving any serious injuries? The one time Hashirama got a clean stab off on Madara he won🙁… lol anyway

[@22na42]

The comparison is a joke bro lol I love the uchiha but there’s no world where madara beats WB he can’t take nowhere near as much dmg , nor can he dish out as much destructive damage I give him the edge in speed MAYBE lol only thing that would be trivial for WB is genjutsu but idk how we scale that the OP verse

[@raiden3013]

white beard was taking damage from a lot of weak marine attackswhich means his stamina is pretty questionable when he shouldnt of took damage from most of that. madara took a fatal blow from the strongest non jinchuriki/oktusuki after fighting him to the point of exhaustion so he no longer could defend.

[@22na42]

@@raiden3013 bro … white beard fought with like every heavy hitter on the opposing team … it’s stated that akainu had the strongest damage output of logia users … man got his insides melted and continued to dog walk anyone who stood in front of him after … got jumped by black beards crew , my boy did you see the end of the marineford war where they spoke on all the damage he took are you nuts … madara got stabbed by hashirama and was gg … lol

[@22na42]

@@raiden3013 mans was dog walking guys while half his face was missing and two giant holes in his torso and insides incinerated … dude was a terminator and that wasn’t even prime beard

[@philbox3productions]

​@@raiden3013Whitebeard got half his face blown off by the marine with the strongest offensive fruit in the series and he was still boxing and packing people up.

[@whatever_hi_in_spanish_is]

in my opinion, deafeting someone who can destroy the earth doesnt make them instanly dura powerful, since because there durability could be majorly different from there attack power, So in my overall opinion if whitebeard gets one hit in its gg's for madara, while madara is gonna need alot hits to take the king of the chads down

[@raidenarashikage]

Whitebeard can’t destroy the planet in one go. It’s the fact he can create earthquake and that earthquake can stake on top of another earthquake is what destroying the world. Let’s say whitebeard can create a level 3 earthquake, he stake it until it’s level 5 or above and that what destroying the earth. He can’t generate a planet busting move in one go Madara Susanoo defense is no joke as it tank biju bomb before and he can destroy mountain by unsheathing his sword. Whitebeard is not tanking a Susanoo sword point blank.

[@esosapoems2159]

@@raidenarashikage the quake fruit would definitely break madaras susanoo as we’ve seen weaker attacks by kage be able to break/crack it. Also madaras durability is virtually paper compared to WB. ALSO the earthquake isnt the danger of WB its the tsunamis that come after. Tsunamis have the strength to change the earths position on its axis.

[@esosapoems2159]

@@raidenarashikage also you forget whitebeard has advanced conquerors haki. He can literally attack madara through his susanoo. Madara really has no way of hanging with whitebeard other than his regen factor (which somehow zetsu could negate?)

[@raidenarashikage]

@@esosapoems2159 first off conqueror haki only effect those with weaker will then the user, while only applying a pressure on the opponent or enhanced the attack of the user by combining conqueror haki with armament haki. Hali isn’t effecting madara inside his susanoo. Whitebeard can’t even use conqueror haki while sick. If we are talking prime whitebeard, then he has a buff on his attack. That all that oda show that conqueror haki could do. Also I have said that if whitebeard hit madara, dead on with no susanoo or anything, it is gg. But with the susanoo, his reaction time, and his jutsu. Whitebeard is not getting a hit in easily with just observation haki and a slight speed advantage.

[@raidenarashikage]

@@esosapoems2159 On the note of whitebeard fruit, he would be able to definitely crack the susanoo in its lower stages but what about the perfect susanoo? The size alone and the ability to fly is already beating whitebeard. The quake and the after effects of it isn’t hitting madara if he fly up. Just by unsheathing his sword he was able to slice off multiple mountain top ( he wasn’t even aiming at the mountains). With the size, range, and power and not to mention the defensive capabilities of the perfect susanoo Whitebeard can’t touch it and won’t be able to do that much damage even if he could hit it. Whitebeard is a tank but he still has his limits. A multi mountain busting attack, a storm of jutsu coming at him is beyond whitebeard limits to tank

[@SpiffyYuh]

rinnegan, susano, more than just genjustu hax. man the low ball is INSANE

[@FJUVHJDSR]

Whitebeard stamina allowed him to fight against the king of pirates for 3 days straight and he was still very much in it Whitebeard stamina allowed him to take lot's of hit and marineford and still die standing even when having stage 20 cancer(lol) If katakuri has advanced observation haki it's only reasonable that W.B has it(adv observation haki would allow W.B to see 5 seconds least into the future which is way better than sharigan capabilities) W.B has durability negation (aka Ryuo) and he also has his D.F Need I say more things WB has?🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch]

MADARA HAS REGENERATION THAT IT

[@FJUVHJDSR]

@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch you talk like Madara's regeneration isn't linked to his chakra... When his chakra finishes, his regeneration finishes as well... Easy... Even tho regeneration is him with hashirama cell and it isn't madara's pure power

[@aaabatteries5728]

@@FJUVHJDSR jinchuriki madara is invulnerable until you hit him with strong enough taijutsu' or sage art

[@emjaymasonjose4999]

@@aaabatteries5728 how about a punch that levels a planet of OP?? A planet that is 2 times larger than our sun surprise OP world didn't turn into a sun?? Because it didn't

[@aaabatteries5728]

@@emjaymasonjose4999 yeah but it doesn't amount to much when you fight something you just can't hit

[@Pumpkin7269]

The fact that this is a question is baffling, prime whitebeard solos Madara, and old whitebeard will give Madara an unbelievably hard time. Because Madara is powerful no dought. But you talking about someone known for destroying the world, and said world more than 3x the size of our sun. The fact that normal people are walking around like it's nothing already puts One Piece above Naruto in the power department.

[@itzayoutubechannel1774]

That's not true it's the size of Saturn because it only has moons around it and if it was the size of the sun then planets would be orbiting because of how gravity works so it's like the size of namek a large planet

[@buster64]

@@itzayoutubechannel1774 bro its an anime there is no science behind it it was legit stated in the databook its 3.23 time bigger then our sun

[@itzayoutubechannel1774]

@@buster64 send me a KZbin video link of that statement in the book because nothing I saw said that Edit and also if science can't be used in one-piece then you cant scale one piece to any thing meaning you said no one pieces is light speed and not using science is basicly saying everything determand with science like light speed statements don't matter and two if it was that bigger than the sun then it wouldn't even have a visible moon the only visible thing would be suns orbiting it and it would get light from a even bigger sun cause if you saying it's that bigger than our sun your saying the one piece planet is galaxy level which is cap

[@tjadams1089]

That’s just ems madara tho he has 5 more power ups

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

Lol Madara low diffs this canon ball level fodder

[@Anubis336]

Madara stomps the verse stop being a fanboy my god 🤦‍♂️