Tyler, The Oldhead?

[@shanikahaider1417]

OMG I didn't know you made videos, I've been listening to your music since 2022

[@hadjitube]

real

[@worldofcyn]

It is definitely a tragedy when people don't interact with the art, half as much as they interact with antics and supplemental aspects of an artist and their marketing.

[@BURRBRAND]

Broh speak fucking English 🤦‍♂️

[@aanthonyddiaz]

Calling Tyler an old head is fucking insane 😭

[@hadjitube]

@@aanthonyddiaz i agree with u haha to be clear i was evaluating the argument that Bu (ian’s manager) made. i dont think hes an oldhead

[@beansfebreeze]

Labels LOVE gimmick artists bc it's fast, easy money. They know singles are more important than albums when it comes to marketing. Rappers like Ian exist as a consequence we're forced to deal with

[@roboelectrooverlord6346]

White Rapper cycle! It’s nothing new. He will switch to a majority white genre when his base is big enough or do pop rap. Those that don’t care, won’t care!

[@evanwright9016]

Every year, same dude in different skin. Same dialect, same subject matter, same reach for mass appeal.

[@coachkai45]

My only question is if so many people feel this way how does it continue to work??? Genuinely I’m lost in the sauce lol

[@0siiris]

​@@coachkai45 because its good music that many people like to listen to

[@coachkai45]

@@0siiris you honestly think Ian is good music

[@roboelectrooverlord6346]

@@coachkai45 You are forgetting those that don’t know about the white rapper cycle and those that don’t care. These people make up the fanbase.

[@bexiexz]

he's earned his opinion to be heard critically without being relegated to an old head...something/someone he really is not

[@Trxpamvs]

Imma be honest if he was talking about lil Mabu I think people would have sided with Tyler way more easily

[@hadjitube]

100% lmao

[@hishamziard8473]

I assumed he was talking bout Mabu. He never said Ian. When I listened to the whole interview the first thing I thought was Mabu

[@hadjitube]

@@hishamziard8473 he def never said ian i acknowledged that later on. but the fact ian's manager himself replied kinda says it all haha

[@Trxpamvs]

@@hishamziard8473 Description fits Ian more nobody really praising mabus music

[@pastense]

Sadly, maturity = oldhead these days. I’ve been 25 for over a decade now. I never technically wanted to “grow up.” But just because someone goes thru life experiences and maneuvers themselves more efficiently in life thus equates to an ‘oldhead’? Fuccit then, call me an oldhead, cuz I’m proud of it.

[@0siiris]

hes my goat but people arent calling him an oldhead for having matured. theyre calling him an oldhead for talking shit and coming to conclusions on an artist who's just starting his career. and im calling him a hypocrite because he went through the exact same thing in the beginning of his career. im a little disappointed tbh but its one interview. not even saying he's wrong i just hope he takes the conversation in a different direction next time.

[@pastense]

@@0siiris if you prefer he have a filter on his words, then you completely missed the point of an “artist”. That’s why we let Kanye say the craziest things. He’s entirely entitled to say how he feels. I’m just trying to justify the reasoning behind why what he says is “oldhead” talk. Sure, let the kids be kids. But there needs to be room for criticism of those kids if we let them play this industry game and how the average consumer receives their output.

[@THEOFFICIALHAPPYDOLLARS]

@@0siiris yeah tyler did come up in a similar way but he has said he was immature then and he sees that in ian

[@0siiris]

@@pastense i never said he should have a filter on his words. im just disappointed that he felt that way. and that isnt him being an artist thats him being a critic. he is still entitled to be a critic but the hypocrisy nullifies a lot of what i thought about him.

[@pastense]

@@0siiris my favorite artists disappoint me all the time! It’s their prerogative and they don’t owe us fans a damn thing. But I remain loyal to whatever they do. Until they do some Diddy type sh!t lol

[@emanuelscaune6220]

I stand with Tyler .

[@bexiexz]

lowkey same

[@ToastedTater420]

saw this on my FYP, Great production quality and editing for under 7k subs. keep up the hard work bro you are doing amazing, earned my like and sub

[@d.felixphoto2260]

I'm an "old head" and Tyler is making a good point. However, being an "old head" i know Tyler took his cord progressions, melody's, cadence, song structure, and harmony in many songs from Pharrell, Quincy Jones, Charlie Wilson and others. So he's kind of took his sound from others. Pharrell has been an influence in his life from clothing choice to skin care regime. Lol. Not taking nothing from him because what he's doing is necessary for a new generation. The sound and music is necessary. So i personally supported him past the antics in the beginning because I personally liked the fact he was so in tune with what i liked musically and added to it.

[@MultitaskingGuy]

19:39 that man is perfect

[@FallacyFoe-y1b]

we need a new underground kendrick to call this shit out. childish gambino showed this on his show lmfaoo they get a new white dude to run it up with cause the shock value and clicks. only way tyler a old head in this is expecting anybody under 30 to actually care about artistry. they want memes and actors. you know that's not bro real voice lmfaoo he can't decide between that one or the yeat voice

[@hadjitube]

I feel like a lot of people under 30 do care, they just feel like it's hopeless with the algorithm prioritizing what it does. what do u think of that?

[@FallacyFoe-y1b]

@@hadjitube I think you prob right and my perception is skewed cause the people I hang around are like 20-25 and only listen to veeze all day

[@hadjitube]

@@FallacyFoe-y1b haha real music tho veeze is fire

[@alsoTay]

Seems crazy for people to side with Ian of all people over Tyler

[@Trxpamvs]

It’s more that what he’s saying is super hypocritical when he himself kinda did what he is criticizing right now.

[@Mtv20O1]

​​@@Trxpamvshmmm I disagree to an extent. He definitely did similar things but he still appreciated the culture and was a much more skilled rapper/writer than Ian.

[@loganleatherman7647]

@Trxpamvs Tyler actually had the artistic capabilities/vision to back up what he did. Ian does not. Ian is simply riding the wave of Yeat clones doing the exact same brand of dull trap music that only 12-16 yr old suburban kids think is “so hard bro”

[@Saturnx86]

of course Ian's manager is gonna be defending him bruh hes making a bag doing it

[@melmcflyxx]

You have some of the most unbiased takes I’ve heard I fw it heavily keep it up ⭐️🪖

[@emi2004]

love how u always reference past video topics to build on the current ones great job man

[@Likhumcy]

Suburban kids are touched by the the honest truth , I heard one song of this boy he’s not good . Tyler is not an old head , he’s a very creative person who likes to see artist articulate their craft too , not just kids who thinks our culture is just for tik toks

[@evanwright9016]

He just doesn't fully understand or finds it unfair that almost no one in hip-hop is as much of a nerd and lover of their craft and hip-hop as a genre in general, as he does. He expects everyone to approach it with the same amount of passion as he does, which is difficult for more opportunistic, career-driven artists. Let people have their motives for doing what they do. Man's definitely neurodivergent, which isn't really an insult since I'm on the spectrum and equally as nerdy about music as well.

[@loganleatherman7647]

Career-driven artists tend to have substance to their art and a plan to stay at least somewhat relevant by making art that goes beyond superficial, gimmicky trend-riding. Ian is like the exact opposite of that

[@0siiris]

​@@loganleatherman7647 what makes you think ian is superficial, gimmicky, or trend-riding?

[@Max-ns8lc]

It is unfortunate that it had to take a Kendrick rap beef and a white guy rapping for someone to poke holes at the state of rap. Social media has been beneficial but marketing gimmicks will not end with Ian. Now people are attacking him personally as if we know him. We do not know what he has done or what he will do. What is funny is that the vast majority of hip hop’s audience are white. People are being entertained by black stereotypes not black people. It’s weird that this puritanical wave on the genre is happening when the damage is done. It’s more like a projection from racial trauma than an attempt to fix the system.

[@spyspy4236]

bruh ian makes white people comfortable. that's all it is.

[@CaptPicard81]

It’s alright for people to respond differently to art, everything isn’t for everyone

[@osirishill23]

He’s not an old head he has a legitimate point rap is cosplay to a lot of these kids they don’t give af about the art it’s all viral microwave unauthentic bullshit

[@hadjitube]

do you think there's a way to be a legitimate artist in your music but also figure out how to go viral for silly stuff on the side? that would kinda be like the 2024 version of what odd future was-a lot of people saw it because of the antics but then they provided some really good music to back it up

[@osirishill23]

@@hadjitube yea i think there is and i think in the case of Odd Future they came up in the blog era more so than social media so while yes songs like Yonkers got them put on their sound was totally different than everything else that was out at that time. I think most new artist blow up by going viral and they don’t really have an actual identity or sound and they’re just pushed to the forefront by labels that can give two shits if they have talent or not they’re just there to drain them for all that they can and move on to the next viral sensation. I think that’s also why most new artist have zero stage presence or personality because they don’t know who they are yet.

[@hadjitube]

@@osirishill23 the blog era is one of the things i regret not specifically mentioning in the video. youre totally right that their sound was different and they stood out, and today a lot of people go viral first, find identity later. that's also why we see models and influencers start making music and get signed after they already got famous doing something else. the one thing about the blog era i really wanted to emphasize is while artists would be internet- driven in terms of popularity, image had soooo much less to do with it. now artists like dave blunts (and soooo many other examples) a lot of times their first blog post had more to do with what they looked like than how they sounded. or at least, the what they look like + what they sound like combo. in the past you had these mysterious faceless artists like the weeknd become huge. i wonder if that could really happen today!

[@osirishill23]

@@hadjitube yea the weekend is a great example he started out with just music and no one knew what he looked like and his music made people want to know more about him. I think image is just as important as the music but only if it’s genuine. The most successful artist in terms of staying power and star power at the artist that you don’t see out in public very much who never really post on social media and that rarely do interviews. They build intrigue and the fact that they’re not out there as much makes you interested in what they have coming out or going on. The viral artist tend to have a big fan base online and stay in the headlines but their album sales don’t reflect that.

[@asamwapersonal]

This guys Take is underrated

[@Shibainu_Fan]

i could see his point though, artists like yuno miles get millions of plays per month meanwhile amazing underground artist like misc only get around 56K

[@hadjitube]

im not familiar with misc, i'd say yuno miles is still niche enough to where tyler prob isn't talking about him haha i feel like its. more like artists who get one hit but dont care about the art afterward

[@Shibainu_Fan]

@@hadjitube ooooh thats true, also yuno miles popularized the joke artist industry and also his music is some of the funniest shit ive heard in awhile, if you wanna get to know Misc listen to his single The lightning Theif

[@CrazyBurger122]

Calling Tyler an old head while he isn't that old is crazy

[@kiaracabrera]

The most competent old head

[@fash1r300]

totally agree

[@maxvelikov]

cloud. 🤞

[@raivrainbow]

Honestly Tyler is right. Let's be serious here. If Ian was a black guy, would he get the same attention he has now? If you don't look at his music videos, he honestly sounds the same as everyone else but because he plays off the image of the suburban white boy, people pay attention to him.

[@WhiteSuburbanKids]

Hey where did you find the golf shirt? I could never find one

[@hadjitube]

@@WhiteSuburbanKids they did a restock maybe a year ish ago? i dont remember exactly when but i got it off the restock

[@ケイリakaケモイ]

This video is great.

[@poorsocialskills]

When i found out the mf was named ian i thought i was being put on blast for no fucking reason (which is kinda egotistical but theres like 7 mfs with the name ian)

[@Listen3000]

Atlanta Season 4 Episode 3

[@AquaSteez]

Wait bro you make videos ? Shits just hitting’ different. Finger licking good.

[@solitivity]

Tyler's right about Ian. I don't know the dude so I can't hate him, but as someone who's been making my own music for ~10 years (rapping, production, engineering, etc.) and genuinely loves hip hop with a passion, what I've heard of Ian is hot trash. That's just me being honest. I feel like he's culture-vulturing. Like he's the male version of Iggy Azalea. 😂

[@Belowone]

tyler is right, cus you got white nerd youtubers and white rappers feeling entitled and calling him old head and unc to deflect his criticisms.

[@hadjitube]

lolll if ur referring to me i spend pretty much the whole video saying he isnt one! i was responding to Bu (ian's manager)'s claims that he is one. that was my goal with the video

[@Belowone]

@@hadjitube not you specifically just the ones who are upset and pushing back against tyler.

[@hadjitube]

@@Belowone understood 🫡 good music on ur profile too, clear blue skies is so fire

[@smoothk7]

Tyler, The Truth.

[@egnogg07]

Who tf is The Creator and why does he keep collabing with Tyler?

[@djw267]

Very thoughtful take 👍 keep up the great work

[@palealejedi]

Bro u gotta turn up the volume on the background instrumental i cant ever hear that shit

[@hadjitube]

@@palealejedi ahahaa people used to tell me to turn it down… i gotta find the middle ground

[@MultitaskingGuy]

4:28 people only say that about his music because they don’t actually listen when they listen to music

[@themichaelkemp]

Excellent take

[@8theroach-nc1wp]

great analysis

[@AmandaabnamA]

It's a joke to equate Tyler the Creator's come up with someone like Ian who is just capitalizing on looking different than he sounds. The music is giving nothing new nor is Chace Crawford in Gossip Girl look

[@hadjitube]

i agree with u! and i think whatever elements in ians music that are actually interesting (which is opinion based ofc haha) are getting overshadowed by the marketing strategy and the elements that arent as good

[@bigchainswangin609]

The Difference I see is Tyler has the serious creative work along with his persona that works into it all, now mfs just make shi that sounds cool to blow up once, like lil pump from the sc era. Only new artist I fw is Yeat, maybe he was inspired by carti but he’s definitely got more of that creative spirit to him than a gimmick artist. Yeat not even my favorite artist so don’t come at me sideways but you can’t deny when someone is different and has that energy🙅🏻‍♂️👍🏻

[@hadjitube]

I agree with you about yeat! I think he has a very creative approach to presenting himself and his music, and that's why you see less people calling him out as corny in the rap space even though he's also white lol. I also like his music but I also like some of ian's music too. but yeat has a whole track record at this point of quality stuff

[@kaumkaumkaum]

sick vid thanks

[@attacker-2]

Tyler always hated eminem, so it only makes sense he hates on ian... Kinda weird but I don't know anyone who listens to ian seriously

[@hadjitube]

tyler and eminem's relationship is very fascinating haha

[@smaaron_j_46]

Not always. He fucked with Relapse and MMLP2, and he apologized for shitting on Recovery in this very interview

[@Whodnl]

Let’s be honest how can you ever be late to the airplane. Great video

[@MultitaskingGuy]

3:23 beam errrrr

[@hadjitube]

haha i just said it that way cause he spelled it that way

[@MultitaskingGuy]

22:43 he’s the new KRS one

[@jamescarl6426]

Old head old age bald head rogaine 🎶

[@mizuko6132]

It’s funny considering Tyler supported Post Malone. He’s definitely on the hall of fame of culture vultures.

[@chrislawuk]

Ian outrapped Yachty on “Hate Me”?!? I mean neither of them exactly covered themselves in gold IMO but at least Yachty was on beat?!! #oldheadIguess

[@Olorotyrant]

This title is crazy bruh....

[@hadjitube]

lolll yea the ? is definitely doing a lot of work, to be clear, I don't think he's an oldhead. I just wanted to address the question at hand

[@Bugoboy]

I think Tyler is talking more about Mabu cuz Mabu sounds more like a joke than Ian

[@hadjitube]

@@Bugoboy i mean the second part is def facts but the gucci/future comment specifically + the fact that Bu responded makes me pretty sure it was ian

[@Bugoboy]

@@hadjitube good point

[@Mattrattmattratt]

I mean it’s all subjective anyways but I don’t get why Tyler feels artist like Ian “take up space” we are in the most expansive era of music ever. You could listen to any artist any time you want and find whatever you really like in an instant. No one can take up “shelf space” anymore if ppl wanna find your music they will :/

[@hadjitube]

haha i love tyler too. im always surprised to see people hate on him but there are lot of people on the internet who hate on tyler

[@the77th]

Tyler’s Yonkers was LITERALLY made as a PARODY of Hip Hop! His words not mine! Odd future was LITERALLY built MOCKING the “ hip hop” of that time! I Iove Tyler but I HATE HATE HATE HATE gatekeepers of Art! It’s SOO DAMM LAME! Art Gatekeeps itself because the cream ALWAYS rises to the top whether immediately or with time! Fake NEVER lasts ever so idk why the fvck artists feel the need to gatekeep! That’s literally the OPPOSITE of artistic expression! Make the best art YOU can make and keep it pushing! When tf did art become a dictatorship where folks can only like what you like or create what you approve of them creating! I lost respect for Tyler after this BS @$$ interview because once I sense that gatekeeping @$$ bs from an artist, I no longer trust their intentions!

[@Max-ns8lc]

Tyler is valid partly because of the formulaic sound of rap. It’s way more commercialized than back then. I don’t think he is right about mocking the culture IF he is taking about Ian. For lil mabu it’s clear cut.

[@Trxpamvs]

He’s right but coming from a dude that talked about raping women & fucking pregnant women and stuff is kinda crazy, right message but wrong messenger.

[@johnxina8557]

i mean have u really digested the wolf trilogy tho

[@PoloRollo]

Bro has only listened to tron cat😭

[@kendallrobhall208]

mark

[@OffLeatherWings]

How do we know he’s not (also) talking about Lil Mabu?

[@hadjitube]

@@OffLeatherWings i think it fits for lil mabu in an “if the shoe fits” type of way but i dont think it was lil mabu because 1. the gucci and future comment feels very specific to ian and not to mabu who is doing a NY drill type thing, and 2. way more people are calling ian fire than mabu haha at least from what ive seen

[@MultitaskingGuy]

10:44 cultural appropriation

[@AquaSteez]

Hit me at 1-800 purgatory

[@hausofpancakes]

To me, ian is like the worst parts of 2000s nerdcore artists. You rap about a life that you're obviously not about, but at the same time we're supposed to perceive you as a real artist because of your "influences." You can't have it both ways. Your gimmick can't be "fake gangster" and then not be seen as a joke. But he's not the first and he won't be the last.. so whatever.

[@julezsmith4548]

To say that Tyler never had to fight an algorithm then praise him for his audience that combats the algorithm is just so ignorant imo

[@hadjitube]

im not really following what you mean, but ill try reexplaining. i meant because he debuted at a time when the algorithm wasn’t really what we see today, he was blessed to have a general music discovery audience that was open to downloading things, listening to full projects off rip, etc. and i think in general people’s attention spans are not the same anymore. but artists that they discovered a while ago, they’ll always be open to checking for. at least thats my experience!

[@julezsmith4548]

@@hadjitube yeah I guess the disconnect for me is just that I still think of the algorithm more as a tool for success than a thing you have to fight. If Tyler got famous today (given that's a possibility) -he would probably still have this type of fanbase due to his artistic integrity as well as edginess (both those things kinda do that). I guess if you're nocking him for not being independent I can't argue with that a ton on this front but I really think the key to the secret of rap immortality is moreso what draws this distinction rather than "having to fight the algorithm"

[@julezsmith4548]

Not having to*

[@hadjitube]

@@julezsmith4548 absolutely. and i see ur glass half full approach to the algorithm and i think thats real. i also think tyler would have had a lot of fun using the algorithm to promote his shit in his sillier, earlier days too haha. i think what i really wanted to convey is, a lot of artists struggle to figure out how to get their music to cut through in an age where a lot of emphasis in the algorithm is placed on things outside of music. i think tyler would have actually done really well in this era if he was just starting out too. but also, if he did start out in this era, he would be more empathetic in his comments about artists not "prioritizing" the music on social media, if that makes sense. a lot of artists spend hours upon hours in the studio perfecting their sound, but if they do something silly on social media and that's what gets them attention, then people won't really focus on that time they put in the studio. i guess what im saying is the two aren't mutually exclusive-and i don't feel like tyler left room for that kind of nuance with his answer in the mav carter interview

[@julezsmith4548]

@@hadjitube yeah bro you got a totally valid perspective I'm sorry for my harsh words I don't rly know what artists have to go thru but I do see the algorithm getting a lot of very mediocre music to the limelight but you do see some really good artists blowing up really quickly using TikTok.

[@MultitaskingGuy]

I don’t get how anybody is surprised 0:23

[@turtlemasterVII]

6:00 the algorithm REALLY isn't that difficult to conquer lol I don't know what you're trying to get at with this one

[@hadjitube]

its not that its impossible to conquer, i mean more that artists nowadays are accustomed to doing things that will benefit the algorithm. saycheese or akademiks posting some silly thing u do might be what gets ur label to approve ur next release. i know that might sound crazy on the outside but i promise it's true lol. tyler never had to worry about that. and if u are tyler and u might not be super familiar with that artist's work, then you see them on one of those pages, you might think, "oh all this artist cares about is this or that, they don't value the music". what i mean to say is that artists can still value their music but also understand how to navigate social media. I think tyler is pretty good at this but he mostly operates within the bounds of legacy media-adjacent type stuff, and the younger kids are gonna be doing things that are more directly social media-focused. that doesn't necessarily mean those kids don't care about music! not talking about ian or someone else in particular. that was really my point. i actually think tyler kinda admits that in a way when he talks about how much we use our phones too

[@4EVRL1T]

I don’t think tyler’s reasoning was meant out of hatred, But i also believe it’s unfair to say he’s “mocking” gucci or future. Aswell I think it’s pretty common for people to hate artists for just being white in hip hop. Not saying this is the case this time, but a lot of the people taking tyler’s side are definitely projecting a bit of their inner racism

[@loganleatherman7647]

I legit didn’t know Ian was white until like last week. I just thought his music was bad and the same trend-following, uninspired crap made as a dollar store version of what Yeat was already doing

[@4EVRL1T]

@@loganleatherman7647 that’s fair enough but you cannot deny that there is a large portion of people who are just jumping on a bandwagon of racists

[@andyv9201]

he just not tapped in frfr

[@trixxfe]

yup, stop blaming the artists and blame the algorithm/social media. Everyone just wanna be successful and the landscape of things has made it near impossible to crack without some sort of antics or engaging social content that isn't just the music itself. Dave Blunts is the perfect example bc no offense, people wouldn't care about him if he was 6'1 200 lbs.

[@hadjitube]

should I try to look more like Ice Spice or Dave Blunts

[@alexanderhanksx]

I would say that I'm still going to blame the artists, but these people aren't artists. Tyler was right. Making noises for the algorithm to make money isn't art.

[@MultitaskingGuy]

1:26 no one even knows who Akon brother is or they even had one

[@jacobscreen6824]

Balls balls balls balls balls balls balls

[@agentemerald4563]

yall slow asf, hes talking about lil mabu

[@hadjitube]

I think a lot of the same points apply to Mabu but I don't think he was talking about Mabu because he said Gucci and Future, I don't think Mabu is trying to sound like those guys at all, he's doing an NY drill thing

[@sleep6837]

He's really not

[@stevienel]

rob apollo mentioned 🫡✨ great vid as always