Why I'm replacing my e-lockers with air lockers..

[@DanielKistler]

Good upgrade mate, arb is the go! The vast majority of us in winch challenge run arb, there’s a few small upgrades you can do to make them stronger for racing applications that aren’t overly necessary for your application so wouldn’t worry about it. Tjm lockers are no where near as strong, I’ve ran them before along with a few other guys in racing and most of us couldn’t stop breaking them, arb lockers aren’t indestructible by any means, but they are the best choice for lockers.

[@TylerThompson90]

Cheers for the feedback mate!

[@harrywalker968]

@@TylerThompson90 if you a t/case that stands 400 hp +.. all cog, no chain. get a 205. new process fk the jap sht..

[@brianwalker1933]

Berto is a real character and his mechanical prowess is impressive indeed. I'm a retired Fitter & Turner and l have picked up quite a bit of handy tips from watching him. Your channel has always been enjoyable to watch and just keeps getting better and better all the time, especially with the addition of Berto and the mechanical work that he does and the humorous banter between you both and with others, when out on the tracks. Keeo up the good work mate, cheers.

[@TylerThompson90]

Thanks mate, appreciate it!

[@m0neym0nsta92]

Is berto trying to grow a tail lol. He's a real character I think you're lucky to have him on your channel. Certainly one if the reasons I watch.

[@SHOCKcustoms]

Best on ground every vid

[@Doddsy28845]

Ive had the same arb rear locker in my car for 24 years and only just recently needed the seals changed. Quality stuff

[@TinkerersAdventure]

Thanks for sharing this. I was literally debating between ARB and Harrop for my new build. This settled it for me!

[@TylerThompson90]

Cheers for watching!

[@flysoutbackadventures]

Good to see u made the switch to ARB air lockers Tyler. I've been running the ARB lockers in my Patrol for yrs without issues & I also made the switch mod to have the front and rear locker engage independently of each other. I swear by them. Once there locked, they're locked. No engaging, dis-engaging, re-engaging. They're just locked. Job done 👍

[@TylerThompson90]

Thanks mate

[@operator8014]

Air lockers work great for a couple years, maybe 30-50k miles before they start pissing air internally. Drives me god-damn crazy listening to those obnoxious pos compressors running constantly because the air system leaks. Also, gotta keep a close eye on the differential fluid because the compressor will eventually load it up with water from condensation.

[@Daniel_j_cro]

Smart move. Keen to see videos of it in action. I recently bought a 105 series (ex cop car) and had a lot of arb gear fitted when new in 2003. 20 years later. Them air lockers and that old air compressor still works great. And you’re correct. 99% of winch trucks run arb lockers.

[@TylerThompson90]

Yep definitely are the most commonly used locker for tough applications

[@fluro2042]

Great description and explanation of why to doesn’t work for you. Most people just say it’s rubbish and that’s not helpful when it might work for others. Also, good explanation of what air lockers are not great for others….

[@TylerThompson90]

Cheers mate

[@richardkd3048]

Burto's banter is top-notch🤙

[@theozBandit]

Another sweet as episode TT. Holy 🐴💩 🦇man...TALK ABOUT ABSOLUTE PERFECT TIMING!!! Tuesday - my mate, his brother, my girlfriends dad and myself ALL had an awesome Melbourne Cup win and were about to use these winnings to purchase 4x4 parts...these being lockers - E-lockers (8 x units) for their GQ, GU's, and my Y62 patrol just THIS DAM upcoming Friday and I was going to get my e-lockers fitted once I return back for Xmas. BUT.. you TT have just woken us to realise something pretty dam important where due to your video, being pretty straight and pretty fair about the E-lockers, we were all on the fence about what to do. UNTIL NOW, where as the supplier of these E-lockers (Harrop) have NOT offered to replace your GQ lockers with 2 new units, we ALL NOW realise that IF we went ahead and bought the E-lockers, should one of us then happen to have an issue down the track...we will be on our own! NOT good if we are halfway across the Simpson desert.. Therefore...due to this, it now looks like we all will be laying down these winnings for 8x 'Air lockers' instead, (6 now, 2 in December) as we have also just been informed, ARB will cover us even once out of warranty IF it's shown to be a fault of the product itself. No doubt additional research during the week will be done although atm, looks like all of us will be jumping the fence and doing the same as you guys. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers bro, 🍻

[@logik1677]

Berto is an impressive individual! Pay rise for this man. Always a beer for ya down here Berto if ya thirsty (south east vic)

[@derJackistweg]

The selection of music is so funny! And I am way older... reminds me of a lot of good parties with lost memories ...

[@bowstobourbon]

The mechanic buddy is hilarious, so baller!

[@toms3127]

Thanks for your honesty and integrity. Keep up the good work mate.

[@TylerThompson90]

Much appreciated

[@derJackistweg]

18:06 very interesting and surprisingly honest for a YT channel. And thanks for going into detail about the roll-back situation. Actually I would really rather prefer an electric engaging that relying on a copper line with air ... but I see the point. Very rockclimbing specific. But for trucks with an auto this is probably different anyway, as the engine would stall, when running backwords.

[@PeterGibson-z8f]

Have run arb air lockers for years, no issues, love them! They're fast to engage and disengage, and like others have said, when they're locked, they're locked. Usually leaks inside the diff centre are a sign of incorrect installation. Just make sure you have decent sized diff breathers, and that they're not clogged with mud, as if you were to have any problems, you want the compressed air coming out the breather, instead of popping your axle seals out. Breather needs to be able to handle the flow rate of compressor.

[@steph9445]

Lockers are such a mixed bag. Ive had multiple electric and air brands, and have had issues with all of them. So much money spent, and no guarantees. Great vid as always! Hopefully ARB can come on board in the future as they do make amazing products!

[@That_Filthy_X]

I went with ARB Air front lockers in my X, but the rear came factory equipped with E-Lockers. I found the rear lockers not engaging or performing very poorly recently so I think this convinced me to go for rear air lockers as well.

[@BorisEkner]

22:43 Damn what a good mechanic Burdo is!

[@day_for_it]

Burto is a crack up " chrome sockets because im a bad boy " 😂 better get the merch updated

[@wobblysauce]

Chrome sockets on the impact because he has style.

[@BorisEkner]

30:15 Flashback memories from when I put my first locker in around two decades ago. 😁

[@SamG-zc1uf]

For hard wheeling the consensus is definitely that air lockers are the go! For your average tourer who rarely do hard wheeling elockers would be fine.

[@rockie307]

I prefer e lockers less parts to go wrong. Air lockers are more complicated more things to go wrong needing air and electricity to run the air system. Seen more air locker trouble than e locker.

[@scott_edwards23]

Good episode Tyler and Burto, looking forward to seeing the air lockers in action. 👌

[@MattysWorkshop]

Gday, I didn’t know the elockers disengage on roll back, you can understand why they wear the lock ring, going to be interesting to see how the air lockers hold up over time, it was good to hear Harrop understood the situation, awesome episode mate, cheers

[@TylerThompson90]

Thanks mate!

[@adamedgar5765]

Ive got electric lockers in my 2022 Jeep Gladiator...they do not disengage on roll back. Im wondering what brand elocker are in Jeeps? I think its kinda of copy of the eaton locker with a bit more complexity.

[@BrendanHowden]

Another thing to add to the e lockers that most don’t know. Dont run too thick of diff oil as it prevents the actual locking pin from locking in. I’ve heard that people running them overseas have trouble in the colder months due to the diff oil being too thick. I run them myself and personally haven’t had an issue with them. I also wheel pretty hard.

[@63holden]

Well thought out and detailed explanation of why e-lockers were an issue for you .

[@TylerThompson90]

Thanks mate

[@geoffvdw]

Fair call, and good explanation. Harrop should be happy with the level of honesty and detail you've given. I'm twin E-locked and happy with the setup, but if I change direction I know to crawl a bit first and let the lockers ramp & engage. Having an auto and doing less intense stuff helps. If you want to roll back and then clutch dump it then you need air-lockers plain and simple.

[@Cicada4WD]

I’ve had an LTG Electric front locker installed by a differential shop and they said both the electric you’ve had drama with and air locker and pretty ordinary designs but were impressed with the robust design of the LTG4x4 electric locker. So far so good

[@toms3127]

I just put the same in the front and hopefully they’ll do the job well.

[@neilheyward2599]

Some great advice in this episode Tyler🤔👍👍 Now I'm off to the shed and I'm gonna install a snorkel on my compressor! 👌😜

[@Wilbargosh]

Safari or Armax? 😂

[@neilheyward2599]

@@Wilbargosh Bunnings😉

[@theozBandit]

​@@neilheyward2599 hahaha...me too!😊

[@Charlie-ec3bc]

Bruto a great mechanic love watching him wish I had a quarter of his talent 😅

[@jasonfranklin7549]

E Lockers not engaging after roll back,pretty sure Stefhen Fisher from AllOffroad 4x4 had a bit to say about this problem some time ago.and wasn't a fan of them.

[@fredfred4086]

He's a very knowledgeable bloke. 👍

[@wobblysauce]

ALLOFFROAD#142

[@sparkiekosten5902]

Looking forward on you going forward! 😀

[@sevysnape]

Burdo FTW! Glad to see you now have air lockers looking forward to seeing them in action.

[@BruiserBob]

I cracked myself during your locker descriptions because you were talking about driver and passenger sides and it wasn't what I was seeing. That is until I realized you(of course) had right hand drive! LOL

[@Moretrailsmorecamping]

I really appreciate your video on this, you didn't respond to the Instagram message, and I knew there was some brainstorming you had to do for how you approached this. For some of us we save all our money to do these upgrades and videos like this help us make a good decision. Thank you.

[@TylerThompson90]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jimmyd6819]

Ex winch truck racer tip I ran the 110 psi switch in my arb compressors and kept wearing out engagement rings racing on 37 treps Ended up going to a 150 psi switch and never had a drama Really need to hold that engagent ring in if you're wheeling hard

[@jimmyd6819]

Hahaha just seen the dan kistler air pressure switch re commendation he is a good mate of mine and is spot on 😂

[@minshu12]

Great watching these projects. Thank you.

[@davedave5457]

totally agree, i have e-lockers front & rear in my 105 BUT its a tourer, i would NOT have installed them if i was doing hardcore wheeling. they are great in my particular application.

[@ThomasWeston-q5n]

The most Australian mechanic, love it 😂

[@davidholyoake5767]

Cool, about time Tyler got on the tools.

[@fatmanoverlanding]

Sold. I'm a tourer, so my rig will not be subjected to as much punishment or workload as you guys do. But you've convinced me to change my mind. My first choice were e-lockers but will now go with air-lockers. Hardcore 4WDing or not, no one wants unreliable gear, or gear you can't trust.

[@yermoffroad]

Air lockers are the most unreliable locker there is.

[@brianwalker1933]

​@@yermoffroad Why?

[@KT-et5vn]

​@@brianwalker1933 think he meant e lockers

[@brianwalker1933]

@@KT-et5vn Yes, correct.

[@DougAskin]

Cool video, showing how it's done and why and the wear. I've got an auto lokka in the front diff of my old 75 Cruiser, put it in 4years ago works well, I don't do a lot of offroading but next year when I retire I want to put maybe air lockers front and back

[@TylerThompson90]

Thanks mate

[@adambatchelder4121]

Yep the constant locking and unlocking is why I chose arb s over. E lockers. I've been happy with the arb s .

[@richardwolski5899]

Wow...BURTO.workin overtime..plenty of mods again.great stuff....🎉

[@NoMatureContent]

The Harrop lockers might just be better suited to touring in sand and in the desert. There is nothing wrong with that, I am sure they're great for that. Maybe they will get it sorted and this sort of feedback is what gets that done. Air and Electric have their places.

[@resuwrecked]

If you can reliably wire your electric air pump, you can reliably wire your e-lockers. Assuming equal mechanical reliability with the diff itself, air lockers simply introduce another failure point: air leaks.

[@PokeGaz]

Man you are so close to 100k subs! Lets go! By next week you will be there!

[@TylerThompson90]

Haha not too far off!

[@PokeGaz]

@ awesome mate lol that’s my dream to get there one day

[@markthomas8766]

If only Ox lockers (Cable) made lockers for more vehicles. Cable lockers are the best. The locker is sealed, and is operated by a leaver which is controlled by a cable to the cabin. If the cable breaks you can operate the leaver with a pair of plyers directly on the diff. No electric wires. No air (and air leaks). Sealed cable lockers are actually the best.

[@angryman3317]

I've seen those on a bundera, both levers by the side of the bonnet release, still to this day I think it's the most impressive thing I've seen.

[@noelcovert-zx9nx]

Mechanics on wheels ! Thats what i thought of .Poor dads 3L diesel . When is it going to prove itself better than the GQs .Id like to see the day when it goes and goes without any engine issue.I do hope that GU will come good , after good fuel level,gauges , water monitor filters etc,are fitted.Hope that dad will enjoy the GU at last after all the rebuilding and all the new parts it got !

[@craigtomkinson2837]

Cool Ep guys

[@TylerThompson90]

Cheers!

[@Wolf4wdadventures.576]

I had a highly modfed Hilux a few years back. One of them mods was a ARB air locker...on the rear. That singular mod transformed the lux each time it was turned on. Oh by the way it never let me down. The main thing to look out for is how you install the air lines... Mine were high and tucked away out of harms way. Good video Tyler.

[@TylerThompson90]

Thanks mate

[@shaddonaghue]

Great work guys , massive job. 👍🤠

[@TylerThompson90]

Thanks mate!

[@mrmeb4u]

When you started playing how does it feel while Berto was about to do the rear side, I was waiting g for him to bust a move 😂

[@maverick2242]

Dam that was awesome the JRP dude came round to do that setup, awesome service, I run Savage the coy has been great, but JRP def be on my future as i want the triple function, I don't like the all in one gauge, too much info for me in one screen, I like my 2 on the side pillar, very impressed how easy they setup, mine are a little more of a PIA in the functionality but been reliable and as I say great service which is important and local. Ya mate Timmy did a real good analysis of e vs air, another factor is ARBs are comp level specc, they can also be engaged on the move and instant engagement, an e locker should only be engaged when stationary, its not instant, ARBs system cant slip its a unique locking system! The only weakness is if you don't run ya lines properly and protective out of the way, you can upgrade ya lines, also. A big mistake many also make is with factory or aftermarket e - lockers you also should only be using them up 20km better up to 15km! ARB air lockers can be run at much higher speeds, though again another misconception is once in low range you shouldn't be limiter bashing in top gear in low range anyways at speed! Now ya got some real lockers ya need some real arms underneath, time to long arm the rear, watch ya vids back yours tucks into the front of the rear guard on extreme flex, Burtos, Tims do not they dig in and get traction, wheels stay centered in the rear wheel wheel also, I know there is always something eh, once ya start going it never ever stops, if ya aint upgrading ya repairing and replacing broken shit, ya got to pay the Ferryman, just life and esp 4wd life, go hard or go home, spent most of my weekend on the truck doing some shit🤣🤘 Between, Burto, Timmy has heart and Dan Kistler I think ya pretty got it covered mate, all fricken legends and what they don't know aint worth knowing🤘 Cheers lads, you legends, some good info re compressor pressure on the ARB air lockers, too, top stuff. ps, Need to start a wall of broken shit of legendary memories, also that TC chain make a good wall ornament, or maybe Burto could hang it around his neck, mini BA Barakus😂 Sorry mate, just a LC to Patrol banter🙃

[@darshparmar7679]

I have air lockers in my hilux had to change the seals but it was after like 9/10 years of hard wheeling air leaks have been easy to fix on track overall I think they performed well.

[@rollyb5061]

job well done Burto, Tyler needs to get you a hoist

[@erkalot]

yeah mate. I went with front and rear air lockers, They worked great but i did have a air leak but ARB fixed it for free for me

[@dallasaitken8007]

Magic to watch👍

[@tedeganagondi]

Using arb lockers for years in various 4x4s just hade minor issues because of installers other then that they are perfect!!

[@putrol4.2]

Welcome to the club

[@thdjnr]

Air lockers always gonna be superior to anything else!

[@bentheguru4986]

The Lockers: You could not have been more fair with the whole situation. The comment you mentioned was the roll-back disengage, thaty will give you a crash-engage every time your drop some power forward like WE ALL DO.

[@032254855]

nice video man good info my old mans had arb air lockers for 15 years they still work and he never had to do anything to them .

[@dsw9670]

Locker test King Creek Bago Road luv it. Im using ARB have had no trouble….. yet

[@Robert-y9z8w]

Thats why i used arb airlockers in my car heard the elockers dissengage on rollbacks never had an issue in 4 years of using the airlockers

[@volvospede]

I have usea Detroit lockers front and rear for almost 15 years with zero issues. I have no need for selectable problems.

[@mondo_stunts27]

Hoping mine stay good, so far so good. I always thought bad wiring and on off engagement would ruin it. Idk if that’s what happened to you. Then I’d say to change your diff oil like every 3-5 trips, idk if you do, but seems like most people don’t change it very often and it’s so easy, same with transmission, and transfer.

[@TylerThompson90]

Yeah we service all the oils after every trip

[@mondo_stunts27]

@ I just always say that, and do that. That’s decently black for one trip, mines takes a few to get there, you’re working it for sure. 👍

[@onairnomad]

Have you tried Torsen lockers? they dont lock %100 but distribute the torque continuously and they are working all the time. Have front and rear Quaife atb helical diff on my jimny and they work so good

[@StephenCawrse]

Every shed needs a BURTO cheers legends 😄

[@jamesoheadrivnmedia]

Hey tyler, love ya videos, if they require forward momentum to engage and automatically disengaged on roll-back then every time you go bavk bump it on another attempt if youre slightly turned and not dead straight it would crash lock them, so just in seeing that I'd say that's a massive design flaw

[@TylerThompson90]

Yep I agree

[@kgosikabelo6234]

Burdo *sp has to be given his flowers man. 🙌

[@justincrabtree5675]

Maybe change the dump valve fitting on the solinoid and run a bit of locker line from solinoid to outside the car, other wise can get a bit diff oil smell in the car, if turning them on and off frequently

[@chrisleet4941]

It’s funny how Berto can actually sit up under the car 🤣🤣

[@jaredcollins4907]

Been seeing a lot of issues with e lockers lately, seems like the same problem too. Seems to just be to common now. ARB’s get a bad wrap due to poor installation. Mine are 5 years old and never had issues with air leaks or failed locker See how they go for you hopefully you’ll find them better

[@rossco3775tv]

Hey Tyler really good video mate, very interesting and fair presentation of your experience with the ELockers. Seems ELockers suited to occasional more mild use and just not made to be used hard and regularly. . Have ARB Air Lockers in the GQ as do all our mates and they work brilliantly and have done for years say no more. . Next mod air freespool to the highmount and 24v FTW👍👍👍

[@TylerThompson90]

Thanks mate!

[@landrover1155]

Wonder who makes the e-lockers for Mitsubishi (if not Mitsubishi, not sure, they might do it in house) but they work every time and do not disengage by themselves going backwards. I think Toyota's lockers work the same as Motsubishi's. Cheers

[@craigmooney2630]

Kinda funny you sprayed all the pink bits over it to please Demi “ She never drives it because it’s manual 🤠

[@brianclarke1695]

Is it possible to run the air line in stainless steel tube so as to prevent damage and air leaks

[@momentum4th104]

I had my rear elocker(s) replaced 4 times on warranty before they -harrop paid everything and eventually for a new lsd🤷‍♂️ they literally were falling apart. Bad run or bad product not sure.

[@michealplater9007]

It must be good to have a good mechanic as a mate, hope you are paying him well.

[@artzi_ip]

your rear differential was shimmed incorrectly ! you can see it in the video 25:37 teeths have made marker at the bottom part of the ring gear. This kind of touch will make noise from the differential and it should never be like that, correctly shimmed ring and pinion touch from the teeths perfect middle part ! not top, not bottom not sides, in the middle is the correct. i have made differentials more than 20 years and seen these kind of bad shimming jobs a LOT 😄

[@kelvinweeding1769]

The unlocking issue has been around for ever….. Have never personally had an issue seal/airline with my air lockers across two rigs

[@georgee686]

You finally have seen the light. I've been running a rear air locker since 2000 and was going to install a front TJM air locker because the first ARB lockers had issues with oil feeding up the airline and was going to fit a front TJM air locker had the salesperson at TJM tell me to go ARB for the front for a couple of reasons and took his advice. ARB dont sponsor many you tubers because they don't need to hear ib Australia because they have broken into the USA market for reliability with the air locker. Wait until you see the new compressor range.

[@ericjohnson6802]

USA forums do report quite a few warranty issues with ARB air lockers. Quad seal leaking from premature wear or pinching is usually the problem, but the main piston seal can also leak as can the banjo junction, which has been improved in newer units. Costly, yes, but ARBs are probably a better bet, if installed correctly.

[@edjeep]

good luck with air leaks!

[@TroubleMaker4WD]

About bloody time Mate …. You are way too respectful to that Company with their Junk Locker …..

[@rsleeper32]

The most relaible and trouble free, cheapest and easiest to install diff lock I've ever used and will continue to always use, is the 4wd Systems Auto Locker. A little anoying on the street, but it's a small trade off in comparison.

[@Off-gridCherokee]

I've seen to many issues with air vers electric. I've never had issues with my Eton elockers.

[@75SeriesTroopy]

Love Berto. Looking forward to his own channel one day

[@maverick2242]

What would happen to Tyler, we need Burto on this channel, he's the full package, knowledgeable and entertaining and keeps Tyler on the right path, only thing that could improve is if he was a Toyota guy, but hey, cant have it all and second choice would be a GQ on Gu diffs, so I'll give them that 🤣🤣

[@davidforbes7972]

I’ve had a e Locker in the 80 for years never a issue comes down how it’s originally wired imo

[@Accolades70]

Great vid...

[@sergeant5848]

Hopefully Harrop don't turn around and do a DCS on you!

[@brendanogrady3848]

When is the hoist getting installed?

[@spencer011]

Good video

[@alexholbert1722]

Will an e locker disengage rolling back with an automatic transmission?

[@RedVMember]

I've been told by several transmission mechanics that the TJM lockers are the best? Hopefully the new ones work well for you

[@gus1332]

Aparently tjm have discontinued making them.

[@benwilkinson7181]

They have, I’ve got one in the front of mine

[@TylerThompson90]

Ive heard TJM lockers are better but don't think they make them anymore and you can't buy parts for them so if anything breaks need to buy a whole new locker

[@MrScotjon]

@@TylerThompson90 I've seen varying opinions. I've got 1 of each, never had a problem with either for similar driving to what you do

[@beartiger1553]

@@TylerThompson90good luck braking a tjm locker I’ve been running them for over 20 years when I heard they were having mfg issues I brought another 2 sets of lockers and parts

[@vincentpoole7588]

T/T. Time to call "TJ & Mac" for a spare US style Chevy K-series gear driven and upgraded Patrol transfer case Mista ! ! This GQ beast certainly ain't standard with over or above modifications and really needs custom solutions Sir ? ? V.

[@darcykeddell4930]

Gear driven transfer is a stupid idea, less contact on the teeth than a big fat chain

[@pere_gt__stgtsport5467]

Do you have experience with Mercedes W460 (first series G wagen) hydraulic lockers? Could it solve reliability issues (sealed and no electronics)? They take time to engage/disengage... You and Berto are a great team.

[@johnhegarty1835]

Nice video

[@jessetink3753]

It’s funny how Mac and tj bnb haven’t had any trouble with their e-lockers I’d have to be burtos biggest fan of his safety shoes absolutely love them 👍🏽

[@TylerThompson90]

Yeah Mac & TJ don't do anywhere near the amount of hard and technical wheeling that we do, I think for a 'tough tourer' the e-lockers are more suited and less likely to see the issues

[@Franksssss]

Hopefully for you the airlockers work. But i hope you will be honest if they start farking up too. For me and in comp work, harrop lockers have never let me down. Ran them for 8 yrs now.