Type 61 5+ MBTs vs. MS-06J Zaku IIs Ground Type

[@VegazParrelli1981]

That's why I've always liked ground based Gundam battles. The strategy involved is just insane.

[@aces6262]

What strategy involved is insane here? It's a pitch battle, two Zaku form a base of fire and one flanks around, this is basic fire and maneuver. The fight is entertaining but that's it, it's not some Sun Tzu's Art of War.

[@VegazParrelli1981]

I'm speaking generally

[@Errorcutive]

@@aces6262 still its done right. Not everyone had newtype reflex to 360 no scope flankers or the perfect aim. Any simple demonstration is fun to watch when everyone doing their best with equipment given. Even in modern conflict jet skirmish is just that. Human doing their best with what they got.

[@solastro5595]

Then you have something like gundam seed where they can fly forever like gravity doesn't affect them

[@Keemperor40K]

He biggest problem here is how overwhelming they make the Zaku's. Zaku's appear to have "near" perfect accuracy, meanwhile the MBT's can't hit anything wort a damn, worse, Zaku armor in the one instance that MBT shells hit seems to be impervious to hits. It's a one sided battle for the sake of making MS's look untouchable to anything that is not an MS. I personally think that if the MBT's had APFSDS rounds, they could have penetrated the MS armor, but as it stands they only fire AP-HE, which is suboptimal against Zaku armor. Worse, MS's are shown to do insane movement, neatly evading rounds that in all reality should be hitting them, because of the speed of the round and the CQC nature of the fight. You also notice that the Zaku's appear to be made of air. While the MBT has to deal with inertia and its own weight, like real Tanks do, the Zaku's don't suffer from any of that, even though they are easily 5 times heavier.

[@Memelord1117]

1:28 I like how they actually use their shoulder shields for once.

[@daitoray9876]

Let's give a moment of silence to this tank platoon for lasting this long against the Ground Zaku IIs.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

the ground zaku is literally just a cut and past make do mod of the normal DESIGEND FOR SPACE combat zaku. its no wonder it doesn't do so well.

[@TheVoiceOfReason93]

The tankers actually won, but the clip cut the part where the last Zaku went down.

[@ryxtan]

One point to remember is that the Zaku's MG's are really 120mm autocannons and their armor arranged specifically to handle similar calibers. Only way to quickly drop a Zaku in these tanks is a shot to the cockpit, which is what they're trying to do here. They still shoulda been able to drop at least 2-3 Zakus while at range, but plot armor keeps em from landing shots despite having the advantage at range. The tanks would be screwed up close, tho.

[@ryxtan]

@Daniel Wong Rule of Cool is the real answer, but there are some realistic elements at play. The main reason tank cannons tend to max out with 120mm or, occasionally, up to 155mm is capacity. There's only so much room in a tank for ammunition and loading systems, especially since they're usually designed to keep low to the ground. A mobile suit with handheld weaponry has the option to carry spare magazines or a direct-feed system mounted on the MS itself. This limitation, along with recoil, crew safety, and other issues, would necessitate a very large tank in order to implement, which the EFF did attempt with varying levels of success. Even with these limitations removed, a very precise shot to the upper-left or lower-center torso is still required to bring a Zaku down quickly, as the essential systems are still spread out and compartmentalized. Edit: phone errors; additional info

[@globaloccultcoalition3212]

@Daniel Wong because they dont have tank in UC is more obsolete than Modern Tank we had

[@LuoSon312_G8]

@@globaloccultcoalition3212 also their electronic systems have been disrupted by non-earth radiation. Most MS reactors are powered by hydrogen gases harvested from Jupiter. the radiation emitted would scramble any tech that doesn't have manual or direct line controls. in other words. no gps. no wifi. radio communications are limited to laser or local linked systems that can be easily disrupted by high levels minovsky density, satellites are disrupted to only audio form (picture and video quality go from 1080p to 240p). and all combat is now line of sight only.

[@globaloccultcoalition3212]

@@LuoSon312_G8 that mean no guided missile and radar?

[@LuoSon312_G8]

@@globaloccultcoalition3212 fire the missile in the enemy's general area and hope for the best. at best you got is a good heat seeker, TOW missiles, or in the case of the mid/late-war earth federation and their MS and anti MS corp. hard linked laser locked mid-range missle system.

[@LafayetteCCurtis]

Without Minovsky particles and fictional armour materials like Gundanium, the tanks would probably have been able to snipe the MSs from 3-4 kilometres away without getting in any real danger.

[@sangineko9889]

You just forgot that Mobile suits are basically walking tanks with more weapons and ability to fly. Ok, they are 4 or 6 times taller than regular tanks, but it's size also gave them radar and visual advantage over the "ground level" tanks.

[@LafayetteCCurtis]

@@sangineko9889 It’s exactly their height that would have made them far more vulnerable than tanks in the real world without handwavium. That height makes it impossible to put much armour on them without unbalancing them or overloading the legs, and it’d be easy for hits from tank guns to just topple them over even if the shell failed to penetrate. In reality, humanoid MSs would have been forced to fight from the prone position in order to minimise their exposure to enemy fire (just like much smaller but similarly-shaped infantry), thus erasing any of their height and mobility advantages over tanks (the latter of which wouldn’t exist without Minovsky physics allowing unrealistically compact reactors anyway). And in flight? Again, without Minovsky physics, they’d be slower and less manoeuvrable than real-world aircraft, and extremely vulnerable to real-world air defence systems.

[@bonearrowgamingcommunity3380]

I wonder why the tanks used twin barrelled guns instead of a single larger calibre gun

[@LafayetteCCurtis]

@@bonearrowgamingcommunity3380 Rule of cool. Also makes it easier to avoid copyright infringement against real-world designs.

[@superskiddadler]

Also since the zakus use standard ammo on 100mm machine guns and not apfsds or heat ammo they cant pen the tanks.

[@crazytiger800]

This is how I imagine an average BattleTech mech fight usually goes.

[@TheTrueAdept]

Not really. The thing is that most visual depections tend to show the lower-end vehicles. Battletech tanks can and _will_ get scary. Like the Pattons/Rommels. Nasty things that give you absolute hell in anything less than an assault 'mech (and even then are pretty scary). Then there is some of the later tanks like what I call the Guert, a 100 ton tank that moves around at 3/5 (or a cruise of 32.4km/h and a top speed of 54km/h), is loaded with heavy ferro-fiberous armor, uses a XXL fusion engine, and is armed with an MML (Multi-Missile Launcher), a gauss rifle, an ER PPC, and three machineguns... oh and it's got a targeting computer and a C3S (slave) computer. Oh, and this is the _standard_ variant. The commander variant replaces the gauss rifle with a _LBX-10_ (think giant automatic shotguns) and gives it it a C3M (master) computer. To give you an idea, that gauss rifle is going to split every Zaku it hits as it's throwing 125kg darts at Mach 5. The less said about that ER PPC, the better. To give you an idea of how potent Battletech's DEWs are, the 'popgun' Small Laser is calc'd to be some 100MJ/beam...

[@crazytiger800]

@@TheTrueAdept speaking of tanks, Catalyst is making new tanks and vehicles. The new Demolisher tank concept art looks really neat, which can definitely go one-on-one with mechs. I agree with your point, the reason why I said that this video is how I imagine tanks vs mechs fights is because the tank crew in the video still somewhat stands a chance against the Zakus. I grew up with Fang of the Sun Dougram and I wish combined arms plays a larger part in modern mech anime.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@crazytiger800 it isn't glorious, I'm afraid... and not really photogenic. That and it's costly.

[@SuperGunboy]

I get very nervous when i’m close to a demolisher tank nasty Things

[@KoishiVibin]

@@TheTrueAdept forget calculations i think that the battletech armors is funnier you dont miss my headcanon is that half the time you cant get a focused laser burn or good angle on your autocannon burst and it just glances off the armor anyways, super Estevez MBT when? gauss rifle and coax MG among other things...

[@mikajougasaki5954]

Wow what an intense combat

[@russkatherealoriginal6904]

The real *Guys und Panzer*

[@赤羽無月]

焼夷榴弾一斉射(ちゃんと聞いたら5両分の発射音:ホワイトオーガー側のカウントは4)、フラッシュバン(よく見たら4両分の光球:ホワイトオーガー側のカウントは3)、スモーク全弾(しっかりと３両分のスモーク音:満足気に残りふたつってドヤってる)と、全てホワイトオーガー側のカウントより１両分発射音多いのよねー

[@superalloy920]

61が連装砲なのも相まってミスリードを誘ういい演出だわ

[@DEFC0NZER0]

Others say plot armor I say, good luck going again 120mm machine guns and a 250(I think)mm bazooka which basically fires MOABs.

[@fotppd1475]

Earth Federation Soldiers: Our armor is made out of Plot unlike yours. Do you feel lucky? Zeon Zaku Pilot : kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4jIc2mNeNB1nJI

[@defuncthusky6649]

The rocket luacher actually fires 320 or 380mm rockets, thats battleship cruiser size

[@cpp3221]

Still, the tank aren't using an obvious tactic : being scattered. Spacing could have saved them. Plus let's not forget the Zaku are a big target, even if agile, I would say that the rules of the setting (aka mech are the best) kinda condemned these guys. Still an entertaining fight from a very good universe.

[@martinsoublette95]

@@defuncthusky6649 in fact, Battleship Bismarck’s main artillery consisted in eight 381 mm guns, distributed in four turrets. And Dreadnought type battleships main guns were 12” caliber.

[@martinsoublette95]

@@cpp3221 well, back in the Yom Kippur war in 1973, in the Golan Heights, Israeli tanks, fought against about 1200 syrian tanks.

[@ulforcemegamon3094]

Honestly for them fighting against mechas with alot more technology and alot of plot armor , 2 out of 3 isn't a Bad number

[@aces6262]

Not a full battle shown. Spoilers below. It's actually a composite platoon of 9 tanks vs. 3 mobile suit so the last tank kills the white Zaku.

[@ulforcemegamon3094]

@@aces6262 interesing , but it was a good battle anyways

[@Freedomcustom]

@@ulforcemegamon3094 If u compare the stats the fact he lost 2 Zakus to 8 tanks isn't something to report back to ur commander, Zeon have limited resources so losing precious machines to 'inferior' tech doesn't do great for morale

[@thomaskok5773]

Not really a lot of plot armour thou. In real event the MBT should have dominant the battle due to MS/mecha are easy target, too heavy and clunky and not logistics friendly.

[@ulforcemegamon3094]

@@thomaskok5773 actually you are kind of right , the video didn't showed the full battle , in the full battle the tanks won (last tank killed the last Mech)

[@megazero952]

loved these in Gihrens Greed, a wall of type 61s and MP Guntanks are all you need until your retaking space in the OYW

[@huytra8157]

Considering the minosky particles that jamming radar and long range radio. Also when Zeon commented earth bound operation, they destroyed any satellite so rendering the EFF any mean of communication and coordinating between troops.

[@maksymilians931]

The plot armor on the first 3 volleys from a fucking standstill is insane.

[@PorktatoesSSRB]

1:28 "That one Bounced..."

[@viper2255]

Yup, i love that noise

[@martinsoublette95]

If generals like Patton, Rommel, or Guderian saw this.

[@guts-141]

They would be a Gundam fan

[@KoishiVibin]

all of them were crap generals

[@tsukinotsubame17]

The Type 61 is really cool and it's a Beefed up Merkava Tank...

[@ImperatorRom]

That's not how it ends... :P you are missing another minute or so. Still, great stuff, miss watching this ;)

[@aces6262]

I wish there was a whole season of anime for something like this, just conventional weapons against mobile suits. 08th MS team couldn't scratch the itch hard enough.

[@suspiciouscheese4518]

@@aces6262 Didn’t this come from Igloo? Or do you mean a newer more up to date season of this sort of stuff?

[@aces6262]

@@suspiciouscheese4518 this is from Igloo, I just wish there are more stuff like this.

[@bored8321]

As a tank, these M61s are perhaps some of the best MBTs around. The sole issue is, they were up against mobile suits, and despite being Zaku II they still lived up to the word "mobile". Now I'm not too sure about the specs of either two, but anyone with common sense knows a bad engagement when they see one

[@fridaynight3181]

Nah, tanks were nerfed in Gundams, in reality, they can easily shotdown those mechs before they even close. The tank Guns in reality are pretty accurate, 10x faster t and barely miss the target. It is 155mm rounds. Strong enough to penetrate those mechs.

[@dumpsterfire0718]

@@fridaynight3181aye, it's honestly a touch upsetting how terrible that fire control is, especially on the first shots when they get the drop on 'em. Would've taken out most crews then and there.

[@JS-hh9zs]

For a tank, they are very fast. The fire rate of the turret is also insane. No tanks in real life have that kind of fire rate. If these tanks exist in real life, they could surpass even the M1 Abrams by a large margin.

[@SlowpokeSpartan]

This is set in the far future so.

[@JS-hh9zs]

@@SlowpokeSpartan yea, I'm not familiar with the series, just saying it.

[@aces6262]

@@JS-hh9zs Not that far but still quite a bit, the One Year War took place in 0079 which is about 50 years from now. The Type-61 main battle tank itself is a decade old design that has been receiving upgrades over time.

[@t26e44]

@@aces6262 I think I heard from somewhere that UC starts from 2084 or something, not sure where

[@aaronluisdelacruz4212]

@@t26e44 nah, the calendar change took place around the late 90s and the the time of the war, is mostly around 2050 to 2060.

[@celiovicenteribeirofilho9740]

Lng Live to Earth Federation and yours valiant warriors!

[@hollowremmu164]

Yeet. Tanks in large numbers can do some damage apparantly

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

Remember kids, if the plot says it, mechs can do it~

[@gurrenlagann114]

@@spamuraigranatabru1149 the power of plot armor

[@Boomkokogamez]

I mean Type 61 A5 has 2x 155mm smoothbore gun so you gotta think how much penetration it has. Modern 120mm M829A4 has the penetration at 900mm so :)

[@andrzejwysocki609]

most of the war the feddies beat zion with massed tank battles that made kursk look like a fun time

[@trungthanh8586]

At the same time, looking at it logically, you have to essentially sacrifice more men and equipment to take out fewer numbers on the enemies' side. It just does not sense logically to stick to old equipment and throw manpower at it when you can put your R&D department at work to actually counter the enemy's technology. Letting a large number of your troops died also pretty much harm the propaganda/image of the war as the US has learnt from Vietnam and late-stage of Afghanistan/Middle East

[@gurrenlagann114]

5x Type 61 MBTs vs Plot Armor

[@copperton2797]

Entertainment at its purest.

[@nosferatuzod4991]

Salty bitch is salty.

[@copperton2797]

Agree

[@Randomguy41639]

@@nosferatuzod4991 Mech sucker is sucking

[@magtegi2]

@@Randomguy41639 so what’s supposed to happen in a series centered around mech combat they easily lose to tanks ? Yeah and superheroes just die because reality dictates they do

[@ivolodar18]

The tanks of that era should have a better traking and stabilization system

[@ShinHakumen]

Minovsky particles kinda get in the way of any form of electronic targeting systems, so battles are mainly reduced to old fashioned line of sight targeting.

[@Soridan]

@@ShinHakumen that's true, but he still has a point about the stabilization.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@Soridan Remember, this was before how capable the M1 Abrams (which, oddly enough, is one of the most capable tanks due to its combination of FCS and stabilizer) was known to the public. What is being shown here is basically tanks with early stabilizers (which have a rather restrictive speed limit) against mecha.

[@Soridan]

@@TheTrueAdept Ah, fair enough. I've read so many easily available declassified documents that I forgot for a moment the age of the show.

[@ulforcemegamon3094]

@@TheTrueAdept what you say is very important , we should take in count the context (ie when the show was made) , is like if we were wondering why an anime Made in 1980 that is set in like 2050 didn't featured widespread drones in a military setting , they simply didn't knew how battles would have been fought in future and like You said , at that time we didn't knew about the whole modern stabilizers that the Abrahams had

[@山形冷麺]

？？？「待たせたな！！！」

[@ВасилийМорозов-л7х]

An unrelated quiestion: is orbital fire support possible in Gundam? Like firing a beam cannon on a ship in close orbit. Of course, Minovsky particle interference, but against a large fixed target?

[@bionx9098]

No. Beam weapons lose effect the farther it goes, and eventually fades.

[@aaronluisdelacruz4212]

And orbital bombing is banned in the antartica treaty alongside nukes and chemical warfare so live shells used in orbital bombarded will be a clear violation after what happened in operation British.

[@definitelynotcharaznable7749]

@@aaronluisdelacruz4212 not like that it'll stop the Zeon from dropping another colony or asteroid on earth

[@JeanLucCaptain]

i've never seen it happen. have seen missiles and kamikazie used tho.

[@austinreed7343]

@@definitelynotcharaznable7749 And do the conventions even exist Post-Victory?

[@128delta]

3:23 ザクに蹴飛ばされるて、61式どんだけ軽いのよ

[@gouf7672]

2:28 一年戦争秘録2巻のヒルドルブ回に出てきた連邦兵のザクは焼夷弾でビビっていたけどこっちのザクはビビってないのね。

[@みゃろんぱん]

一番良いところでカットされてもうた…😭

[@z54964380]

This really embodies the feeling of playing tanks in GBO2 lol

[@にわかな狂言回し]

👍️ボタン！全て撃ち尽くせぇ！！

[@ijnyuudachi4917]

For both sides, the designs are cool..but you'd expect the tanks to have a better stablizer system-

[@possibly8180]

Wait till you see the guntank early type in gundam origin. The thing literally flops all over the place lmao

[@devinhallsworth5531]

Universal century is best century

[@TheChitakus]

whats the sause ace? is there more like this?

[@Macaroni63]

Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO (The Hidden OYW, Apocalypse, The Gravity Front)

[@aces6262]

For tanks vs. mechs combat, unfortunately nope. For conventional weapons vs. mechs, 1st episode of GOTF counts. There is a fanfic on fanfiction.net inspired by this though, search up A Feddie Story but author stopped updating since mid 2016. On a related note, you can play Mechwarrior: Living Legends to experience something similar, a fun game too.

[@phokeyu3749]

A mad man trys to hunt down a big-white nemesis. Is this episode a reference of Moby Dick？

[@aces6262]

Yes, it's pretty obvious now isn't it?

[@GuninGames]

This video perfectly shows the advantages and disadvantages Tanks and Mechs have

[@TheVoiceOfReason93]

Nice, but why did you cut out the part where the tanks win?

[@geraldtong4414]

This EF Tank LT looks like the EF officer piloting stolen Zaku in MS IGLOO I

[@kmm-studioz8161]

Never seen Gundam at all. Tanks besting mecha is pretty cool. 🤙🏾

[@hazmatgamer]

So in this universe. In a timeline that has more advanced technology than ours. APFSDS does not exist (Every shell fire in this clip explode like HEAT and HE) Gun launch ATGM doesn't exist. Gun stabilizer does not exist. Gun shake like an earthquake. Active protection system that intercept the projectile before hitting the tank doesn't exist.

[@aces6262]

>APFSDS does not exist (Every shell fire in this clip explode like HEAT and HE) APFSDS exists, I cut the ending part where the Herman's Type-61 fires and execute the White Ogre at point blank range after shooting its back reactor (killing the Zaku's mobility) where it clearly shows the APFSDS shedding its sabot petals and finish it with another pair of sabot. >Gun launch ATGM doesn't exist. We do not know if gun-launched ATGM exist, no other media that shown this technology. >Gun stabilizer does not exist. Gun shake like an earthquake. Gun stabilizer exist, the first mock battle between Type-61s shows that it can hit moving targets while on the move. >Active protection system that intercept the projectile before hitting the tank doesn't exist. We do not know if APS exist, as with above, no other media that shown this technology.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@aces6262 At the gun stabilizer, they're using Gen2/3 (i.e. those fitted onto the post WW2 tanks) stabilizers, not Gen3/4 (i.e. introduced by the M1 Abrams back in the '80s), please excuse me covering two generations because I'm going off from memory here. Gen 2/3 stabilizers are basically an evolution of the Sherman's single-axis stabilizer (a Gen1), which had _walking speed_ being faster than the max effective speed of the stabilizer. The next generation (Gen2) wasn't much better, as human running speed was faster than what these stabilizers can reliably cope with... APFSDS is comparatively rare due to events in the invasion of Earth, when Zeon dropped 'Minvosky Warheads' across the planet, literally sending entire swathes of it to _feudal/iron age_ times. Since APFSDS requires very precise (and thus vulnerable) machining compared to HEAT rounds... UC Gundam was around before the idea of active protection was even thought of in the general public, and combined with the fact that most APS systems require radars and what not (which basically became largely nonfunctional in the setting...)...

[@rudatkatzn9171]

An ATGM wouldnt work, due to the Minovsky Particles emitted by Mobile Suits. Thats why Radars arent really a thing either, or mostly on Space Ships. And an Active Protection System, even in the future, would probably not withstand a 120mm Machine Cannon. We know that 40mm CIWS is a thing, as seen on the RX-78-2. And also, I imagine the makers didnt really think about that, since in the original Gundam, you see the M61A5s predecessor, the Type 61 being fully stabilized. I imagine that an APS was deemed pointless, due to Minovsky particles interfering with tracking, Beam Weapons which you cant intercept with an APS and the fact that mobile suits can use an armament sufficient to overwhelm an APS. And regarding the APFSDS thing: The Anime 86 shows explicitly that the M1A4 Juggernauts and later XM2 Reginleifs shoot APFSDS, yet the shells still explode on impact, a trade-off of realism for action

[@KenjieMendoza-no2zj]

Is this some kind of Gundam spin off ? I've been looking for this short cgi clips for so long.

[@aces6262]

Yes, it's MS Igloo 2: Gravity of the Battlefront

[@veterayt6800]

It makes you wonder if they just fucking used the flash bang early on

[@aces6262]

Contrivance as the plot demands it, the tanks would take this 9 out of 10 times due to them getting the drop on the Zakus and if any sense of realistic physics (APFSDS muzzle velocity, lightly armored Zakus, Minovksy particle not-withstanding, vertical and horizontal stabilizers of modern tanks) plays out but screenwriters rightfully said it wouldn't be as entertaining if that were the case.

[@oni8721]

@@aces6262 At least they are honest and this is a BIG "+".

[@TheTrueAdept]

The answer is simple: they weren't loaded yet. The tanks were trying to get in the first strike, well before they got into range.

[@redhongkong]

3:27 let say type 61 are with 155mm cannon, and that zaku is with 175mm rifle / 280mm cannon. and type61 suppose to be 4 H x 5W x 11.6m Length. weird to have zaku step on typ61 and that gun size is like toothpick to zaku

[@bl4k4tt84]

Fr those mechs would've been toast with out plot armor

[@aces6262]

They would but mecha gotta win so...

[@bl4k4tt84]

@@aces6262 yeh sadly

[@CptPhilippnes]

Wait, this vid was cut prematurely. It doesn't end there.

[@sirfijoe450]

Zakus would routinely destroy Federation tanks and planes with little to no effort before the federation had its own mobile suits. Why else do you think they made the gundam?

[@kinkarcana1293]

@USERZ123 Another retarded plot point, if the Gundams are able to communicate between each other either lazer or other forms of computerized range finding should be able to easily triangulate and pin point a Gundam. This in combination with the fact that any tank should be able to carry any weapon a gundam is able to in greater numbers Gundmans should be dumpstered by a tank platoon 9 times out of 10. But of course the plot requires the retarded mechs to win.

[@puebespuebes8589]

So the futuristic tank cant hit a 10meter high zaku but a hip firing zaki can hit a "small" tank moving fast across terrain

[@tomdalton7887]

Tanks shell velocity is way to low. Gimped to make the MS look better than they are.

[@Romanov117]

That’s because the Federation Tanks used 155mm Twin Barrelled Guns while the Zaku Machine Guns used 90mm. The 90mm is faster due to its small size and velocity. Since it can’t penetrate the Tank’s Armor, they were advice to shoot the top Armor, which is weaker. And may I remind you, despite the Federation Tank is bigger than the modern day MBT because of the gun it carries and that Zaku’s 240mm Bazooka that shoots a big pay load? It’s bigger than a Moab or a Davy Crocket.

[@Typhon720]

​@@Romanov117the zakus were using the m120a1 120mm machine gun

[@purgejmi]

"Drive closer I want to hit them with my sword!" LOL, honestly, what's with ranged battles having tanks and soldiers closing the gap?

[@notaclass-d1822]

god i wish there was a gundam game on pc where mobile suits could move like this, only one i can think of thats relatively mobile is gundam evolution but thats shutting down

[@HusieK576]

Plot armor at it's finest.

[@AfroMan187]

Plot Armors pretty thick here

[@aces6262]

Wouldn't be interesting if it isn't there would it?

[@kosomolsk]

As usual, the mechas win for no real reason. It's not like these mechs are even exploiting their one plausible advantage - the ability to change vector rapidly. If they are just running they are nothing but big thinly armored targets.

[@Spaceman0720]

The tanks did win, its just been cut and it turns out theres actually 9 tanks, not 8.

[@martinsoublette95]

Well, another reason might be that Zaku pilots underestimated the tank platoons. Underestimate your enemy is a big mistake. Putin did it. And now look the result.

[@devildolphin2102]

You keep forgetting about the Miracle Plot device the Minovsky particle that Fucks around and Ruins most electronics…… even though Sunrise seems to forget this thing exists.

[@copperton2797]

Tanks are vulnerable from the top jets destroys them like than all the time.

[@copperton2797]

And besides this is a fictional show for entertainment:/

[@q.red.3131]

And I was already hoping that the tanks would win these zaku.

[@aces6262]

They do win, just at a heavy cost, watch the full episode. Title is MS Igloo 2: Gravity of the Battlefront.

[@kendallmalone4094]

Cool move @ 2:54.

[@SheeshFella]

Weird fact: all of zeon Mobile Suit has 1 eyes (if i said it true, then they love cycloped eyes) (if it's false then tell me which zeon mobile suit has 2 or 3 or etc)

[@thomaskok5773]

A question, how can White Orge spam his bazooka shot when there is no magazine and only a single round in the tube ??

[@aces6262]

I don't know man, ask the screenwriters.

[@copperton2797]

There is actually extra ammo it’s the three long tube on the rear skirt.

[@LizzieHohenstein]

Its internally mag fed.

[@guillermo3299]

if the tanks had 120mm autocannons maybe they would win, it's a close range encounter but big enough for a zaku to have a few seconds to move, the federation should have put in railguns, even if they were low power they would cover 10km in question a second or 2. a zaku would be powerless against something like that if the tank could fire at least 5 of those per second

[@Elphazo_O-two]

Question: how were ms use in ground combat during the OYW?

[@SulliMike23]

They mostly handled tanks, fighters, and other vehicles the Feddies deployed at the time the Zeon invaded Earth. But as this whole thing shows that even a skilled Tank driver can take out a Zaku.

[@Elphazo_O-two]

@@SulliMike23 so, what were ms and troops tactic like?

[@SulliMike23]

@@Elphazo_O-two Pretty similar to that of WW2 tactics as far as I know.

[@xenon3990]

@@Elphazo_O-two imagine the MS akin to heavy Vehicles that can also take out air as well as ground targets. They usually supported troops and tanks by giving them covering fire and suppressing everything the enemy could throw at them. Ofc this changed later in the war when the Feds developed the GM and Ground Type Gundams.

[@yeetusinfinite7247]

@@SulliMike23 surprisingly non MS by feddies were key units during many battles like Odessa and A Ba o Qu, the Public and the same tanks were contributors to their victory.

[@sillylilgoofball2794]

How can the Zaku bazooka fire so many rounds?

[@LizzieHohenstein]

Its actually mag fed. Origin version is clearer but the OG Bazooka design is well there has to be something. Maybe its like a shotgun's internal mag?

[@Memelord1117]

Well, in Origin, the zaku have 3x 3 round rpg clips, with one already loaded.

[@Typhon720]

​@@LizzieHohensteinI think the zaku bazooka is supposed to have a box magazine at the back of the bazooka.

[@9_19Ming]

💙💚Type 61 5+ MBTs

[@dahandsomeguywithcoolglass8949]

Tank vs mech is very cool thou except mech have ability to fly that is totally difference story

[@asyanimasi3d184]

I thought the tank is supposed to be at that robot waist.. How big is gundam ?

[@aces6262]

A mobile suit can be as tall as 17 meters in the One Year War, the Type 61 tank is barely 3 meters tall.

[@Barri2410]

@@aces6262 most likely around the same size as the Merkava

[@Spaceman0720]

@@Barri2410 Its probably more comparable to the size of Germany's ww2 Prototype Tank called the Maus or the palladin 150mm mobile howitzer

[@Gio-mi3hd]

killing a Tank with Bazooka is overkill

[@solaireofastora5999]

To the Federation, losing 8 Tanks to take out 2 Zaku II-Cs is what we call a Pyrrhic Victory. Sure you lost a significant chunk of thw composite platoon but I see this as a good "Fuck you" to the enemy

[@royrobin4383]

Which series is this

[@waos12]

Gundam

[@comradeblin256]

If i am the tank designer i would choose to fit supersonic fire-and-forget ATGM instead of twin barrel. But then i would be fired for making mobile suits obsolete in ground engagement...

[@dsleong8328]

but then you have monster like the hildolfr from ms igloo

[@Spaceman0720]

Then take note of the EFGF's use of their modified and buffed up TOW missiles called the M101A3 Regina. There's an episode where an anti-ms platoon engages a squad of 3 zakus with it, with the platoon commander having 13 confirmed kills/giant robots slain. They've also been equipped in mobile suits, most notably the GM Spartan, though it could possibly be a different missile system but there hasnt been any mention of what missile, just that they are wire guided so its probably the same weapon system.

[@deepstrike9750]

And you would also be hated for taking the piss out of my s***

[@Typhon720]

Missiles won't really work that much because of minovsky particle interference but wired guided missiles could work

[@マキシマサクヤ]

スネーク

[@ウィス-n2b]

ガトーでもある

[@davidhenderson4754]

What game is this from?

[@scarlet_squadron]

No, this is the episode2 of the OVA "MS IGLOO2“.

[@xinguan2681]

@@scarlet_squadronwow

[@グラムリード]

最初にやられたザクってメインカメラやられただけだよね？

[@ExcaliburOG]

これ系のMSパイロットほぼ全員 外の熱りが冷めるまで中でじっとしてるよな。

[@eto_525]

@@ExcaliburOG コックピット内真っ暗のはずだし死体撃ちに合わないかソワソワしてそ

[@martinsoublette95]

1:20 russian tank when it crosses in a Bayraktar TB2 drone's way.

[@slackerman4161]

Cringe

[@CutLemM]

Wait, what is the name of anime is this?

[@aces6262]

MS IGLOO 2: Gravity of the Battlefront.

[@CutLemM]

@@aces6262 thank you friend 🖐️

[@andrewliddell234]

Girls und panzer vs gundam

[@SakuraNeco-t8q]

Type 61 is too small. its length 9 m, which is half the height of Zaku.

[@mystics1ay3r17]

Wait, so the ground type can still fly?

[@aces6262]

Yes but actually no, the screenwriters forgot that the Zakus here should be the J type, not the F type.

[@annguyen-tr3ne]

More like jump really high by burning fuel than actually fly

[@Spaceman0720]

Its more like a double tap jump in video games, you tap jump button two times you jump higher

[@definitelynotcharaznable7749]

They are not really flying, it just boosting a bit to the air then drop

[@xenon3990]

Every zaku, even j types have rudimentary maneuver jets to support their immense weight. For example if a zaku falls on its back, it’s mass would be too heavy to be lifted by its arms alone as opposed to the front, thus it will most likely activate its rear thrusters. Later MS also use the thrusters to „boost“ their movement, something you see a lot of in other mecha shows as well. Similarly if a MS were to fall down, It will slow it’s descent via foot and rear thrusters to avoid crushing the MS through its own weight. The JType tho doesn’t have the Ambac capabilities of the F Type as most of its micro maneuvering Jets were removed. In another igloo episode it’s shown that after evacuating earth, the J types were basically sitting ducks since they didn’t have the maneuvering thrusters in arms and legs as well as the inbuilt AMBAC system. And even tho they could use their main engines, they would just spin and flail around.

[@alexli3832]

Cannonballs fly incredibly slowly.

[@TheTrueAdept]

Have you seen the videos of APFSDSDU rounds being fired from the M1 series? To give you an idea, those projectiles are going at some 1.55km/s. Fast but still tracable.

[@Bake-kurijra]

Hmm so a tank can defeat a mech o I see so tanks are better then mechs a Avery wise decision my good friends

[@lmvietnamchannel8715]

they miss every shot, what would u hope? Those gunner are suck

[@Bake-kurijra]

@@lmvietnamchannel8715 so the mech gunners suck or the tanks because I only see the tanks hitting every shot

[@lmvietnamchannel8715]

@@Bake-kurijra no, the tank have missed every shot, with the big fucking target

[@lmvietnamchannel8715]

Arbram can ez to destroys them in real fight

[@Bake-kurijra]

@@lmvietnamchannel8715 what do you mean

[@JeanLucCaptain]

the obvious thing it to aim for the legs hips and knees. can't believe none of them are doing that. also 70 ish ton of tank ramming your 18 metre tall giant in the leg would probably knock it very of balance.

[@Freedomcustom]

If u want to cripple it yes otherwise as the 8th tank did aim for the torso and u might fuck up the reactor

[@Typhon720]

They aimed for the cockpit because that's where the armour is thinnest and also for them to ram the zakus they need to close the distance which is a death sentence

[@buahmelonvirajaya8757]

Mecha vs tank best fight scene in anime

[@Stairmaster9068]

you know the federation would have done so much better if they had just put one larger gun on their tanks

[@milin7120]

This tanks r to fast tho 😅😅😅😅 there not tat fast in real life unless future tanks r faster this was a crazy battle both had losses tanks r no joke

[@ahirutorude8845]

ザクバズーカ単発式だろ？拡張マガジンも無いのに連射するとか

[@平田快翔]

ガンダム作品で触れてはならぬ所ですぜ。俺も思う。

[@Bake-kurijra]

Why are tanks shes as unless in mecha anime . No you know what fed up with that trop

[@sheeromusic7441]

61式でよくやるよ これが陸戦型ジムだったら勝ってた

[@Rawsilver]

No way stationary tanks misses that much against such large targets.

[@TheTrueAdept]

You can thank Minvoski Particles for that. If it isn't in eyesight range, you're going to miss more often than not.

[@Rawsilver]

@@TheTrueAdept They are in eyesight though. Zakus are so tall. They could see them cresting from much farther away. And they present such a big target. Yet the type 61 cannon fire flies at the pace of a beach ball. Apparently tanks in Gundam universe use conveniently slow projectiles.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@Rawsilver yeah, here's the thing, APFSDS isn't that fast. You can track the round with your eyes, surprisingly enough.

[@Romanov117]

@@RawsilverThat’s because the Federation Tanks uses 155mm Twin Guns. Of course, the larger the gun, the lower velocity a shell can fly.

[@Darkhound708]

The White Wolf !!!!

[@Galacticrebellion]

White ogre not wolf its not Shin M. Unless you posted a hype comment then nvm.

[@montecarlo2684]

Очень стремная физика. Неправдоподобное поведение техники.

[@renatodescartes6852]

cada vez que veo esta escena se me erizan los pelos de los huevos de lo jodidamente epico que es,y de los huevazos de los operadores de los tanques

[@bocktordaytona5656]

Shit in japanease sounds like SHUTÁ Interesting