TYPE R vs GR86 at Homestead

[@robl7532]

FL5 CTR owner here, great video and wonderful sound from your car. Thanks for just showing us track time with the things that matter, actual sounds. Im a little jealous of your weather. Well done!

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Thank you for watching!!!

[@Unknowelement25]

Love how your phone keeps dialling the whole session. I always hit the voice command button on the track in my 1st gen. Drives me nuts. Love the content.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I had 3 Bluetooth going on at the same time, and I think it was freaking it out?!? 😂

[@boujeful]

never seen a track day video , so this was interesting !

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I’ll be making more 😎

[@Datmeega]

Maybe you've answered this before but wouldn't an e46/e36 m3 or even a 3 series be faster and cheaper to build than the gr86 track ratted? or is there a special reason you picked the gr86?

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I don’t know a bunch about the BMW cars, so it’s hard to answer. I always like this platform and with the new motor it seemed pretty promising.

[@876yuugt]

The GR86 unibody is almost 3x stiffer than an E36 M3. And a lot stiffer than an E46 or even an E90/92. With a lot less weight.

[@eliezergutierrez2472]

You could make the same argument for a Miata or a civic ek hatch or any other car.

[@kcspeed9980]

I’ve got to admit but yeah, the e36 m3 I’m particular. I got into driving mine only a year ago. But it’s crazy how much lap time you can get out of this car. I was considering brz/86 vs e36 m3 for over 2 years. I was comfortable with Subaru but going to my local track events there was just so many e36 and other bmw’s there. And there cheap. My car was 14k, about 5 less then the brz I wanted. Both were “track cars”. Specifically NASA TT cars. No cage but everything else in both. And I’m not the one to talk about horsepower and crashing my car. But it makes 230 wheel with a stock 160k mile motor, and I can get a donor 325i coupe for 2k and rebuild my car. The brz is just to expensive for me to recover from a bad crash

[@josephpalack1440]

Are you overfilling your oil? If so, by how much? Also, you are an amazing driver

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Just over 6 quarts, but I do have an oil cooler. Thanks for the kind words!

[@Club-Version]

Let’s go 🙌🏻 I’m literally doing an oil change and brake flush as I’m watching this lol

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Hell yeah! I’ll post you posted!

[@Doing_The_Thing]

You gonna be at Chin next week? Bled my brakes and clutch yesterday 😎

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@Doing_The_Thing no I won’t be

[@Club-Version]

@@Doing_The_ThingI’ll be there on Saturday.

[@christacy1]

Tough to see your oil pressure with the refresh rate on your gage flashing. I think I saw a lot of 60s. Did you catch anything low? Also, that civic oil temp got a bit toasty. Got over 270 before the screen turned off. I'm pretty sure that was the oil temp.

[@Club-Version]

Yes it did, once I see it get over 270 I start to back off.

[@christacy1]

@@Club-Version such mixed opinions on max oil temp in the car community. No oil cooler on my 86. I tend to back down around mid 250s. What oil do you have in your type r?

[@phelpsgarage4202]

The lowest I’ve seen is 40 psi at Sebring, but it normally around 60ish

[@Club-Version]

@@christacy15w30

[@darksunrise8777]

Nice video! Looks like your tires might have started overheating when you were in the lead position and started missing a few apexes. You were defintiely quicker in the tighter sections though. I think you'd have the edge on more technical tracks.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I hope to do it again at Sebring

[@nicklauher9323]

I noticed the turn in was late multiple times then too. But, the type R hit the apex and you weren't and still, you held it

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@nicklauher9323 yeah it was my first time so I know I have time to kill

[@PaintflowException]

Considering picking up a K24 swapped FRS. Could definitely squeeze out more power than the FA20 or FA24. Part of me still wants to pick up an FL5 though, but that's over twice the price of the K FRS. Nice video!

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Thank you! I believe the K24 swap saves around 100lbs too

[@johnnyturbo8460]

I think the civic type R did great considering we dont know the drivers ability in comparison to yours. Or his familiarity to the car on track. Plus the civic is im assuming on street tires? And It's a good bit heavier and a much better daily

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I would consider him a slightly better driver than me, especially on this track. He used to instruct me years ago.

[@johnnyturbo8460]

@phelpsgarage4202 well then a 100% stock civic type R on street tires vs a heavily track modified GR86 and the Type R wins speaks volumes to the Honda.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@johnnyturbo8460 I agree! With more track time here I believe I can get low 1:40. That type R is fast tho

[@johnnyturbo8460]

@phelpsgarage4202 nice, both cars look to be great track weapons. What matters is that you guys enjoy yourselves. It's good to have and chase goals

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@johnnyturbo8460 amen!

[@KevinMO91]

I'm more surprised at the Civic Type R it's bone stock versus a heavily modified GR86 and it still won. Kind of a testament to how dialed in they are from the factory I guess. If it wasn't for the already insane MSRP together with the mark-ups I would definitely consider one.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

We’re gonna see how it compares to a bigger track with more turns. I agree the civic is great!!

[@abcwarrior91]

lol what are u talking about this track has so many long straights

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@abcwarrior91 not compared to Sebring

[@marklopez3459]

Exactly

[@spoolin2bars]

That’s a great looking GR86. Your car is definitely faster than that Civic as is. Both of you have your cars setup super tight. If you soften the damping on the front dampers you should be able to get more bite. Sure it feels nice and safe but you can see and hear the understeer. There’s definitely a few seconds on the table. Besides a bunch of corners below the limit, there’s corners where the understeer kills your momentum, and then on top of that those tires are getting slower after the first hot lap. With where you’re at driving wise, the Kumho V730 might be a better match for you. It lets your best lap to be on the 1st, 3rd, 4th or 5th lap. Good luck and have fun out there.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Thanks for your input! The car is softer than it was at one point and yes, I can see the laptimes come down. I just hate the feedback the car gives me, it’s like it’s lazy and numb compared to when it is super stiff, but obviously when it’s super stiff, it overwhelms the tires and kills Performance.

[@sheldonlamey7010]

Why did the CTR not go above 4th gear on the straights ?🤔

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I’m not sure, I didn’t even notice.

[@teeebagtomm]

Great vid. Awesome to see how great of a platform the 86 is. Question, if you can choose one, 200 pounds less in your current platform or 50 more horses. Which button would you hit.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I would hit 50 hp with both hands 🙌🏻

[@PBrooksSawyer]

So they are equal it seems. So question is, stock Type R or racer gr86? I'd go with the later! Nice vid per usual.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Thank you! Boost soon!?!?

[@S.E.T.4Life]

@@phelpsgarage4202yes absolutely

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Ignore the haters bud. This 86 rocks. Most people smack talking never get off their couch. Keep it up 👍

[@phelpsgarage4202]

It’s gonna rock more once the turbo is here 😎

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

@phelpsgarage4202 surprised you didn't go supercharged. Would think that would be the best fit for a track car. Turbos usually have weird powerbands which make them a bit unpredictable on corner exit. What kinda power can you make before the rods make glory holes?

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@MeltingRubberZ28 either a turbo or a centrifugal supercharger. I’ve always been a bigger fan of turbo. So far the highest horsepower GR86 we know is making 563 hp on a bone stock motor.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

@@phelpsgarage4202 I'll have to follow this build a bit more closely. You're talking more power than I expected.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@MeltingRubberZ28 im looking for another 100 to 150 hp

[@itachi16ful]

I just want to see an 86 smoke some cars. Ps u did pretty good.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Me too!! Thank you

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Random, but a good way to learn a track honestly is on a simulator. Not sure if you've ever tried one or not.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I’ve used one before but not for this track

[@JETZcorp]

Idk if it's the camera angle, but the red center stripe that's slightly off-center is bugging me. Love the car though. Small power, big aero, full-murder black. Awesome.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

It’s center when it’s on the alignment rack 🤷🏻‍♂️. Car would be more fun with a turbo 😎

[@JETZcorp]

@@phelpsgarage4202 I prefer a centrifugal supercharger. A turbo is faster, but so is a Corvette. A centrifugal keeps the laser-crisp throttle response, adds more of that S2000-ish build-up that the 86 already has, and has superior thermal characteristics to a turbo or positive displacement blower. I've been looking at installing one on my NC2.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@JETZcorp yeah, I feel with the turbo I’m gonna have to keep the RPMs up to get it to spool. With the supercharger will just come on with throttle

[@JETZcorp]

@phelpsgarage4202 A turbo will make a pile more midrange than a centrifugal, so turbos are great for pulling corners a gear "too high". You just will lose some part-throttle controllability and crispness. A centrifugal builds boost with RPM with all the power up top, so you'd drive it like you do now. The positive-displacement blowers like roots and twin-screw superchargers are the ones that give you everything from idle, but they're the least powerful up top. Because a centrifugal doesn't make a bunch of torque, it's easier on your engine than a turbo or blower. That big turbo midrange is what bends rods, hurts bearings, and causes most detonation. If you build your bottom-end with stronger parts and lower compression, the turbo becomes more attractive again.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

@@JETZcorp yeah I’m hoping I can keep the tune super safe and run E85 with low timing and boost

[@Alex-tu9bh]

This track is all power

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I should be making a bunch more soon!

[@deanblackadder2918]

How did the bonnet mod metal strip work for calling the car?

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Are you talking about the air dam? Seems to be working good so far

[@deanblackadder2918]

@phelpsgarage4202 yes air dam

[@warrenlucier5796]

Seems you've got the chassis dialed in on that momentum car really well. My brother owns an FRS(FA20) and he did some of the changes I suggested to get better handling with wheel and tire changes, camber, bracing, etc. . I'm sure your tuner can move the RPM limiter for you fairly easy and all will be good. I still own a 2001 Honda RC51/SP1 1000RR V twin and when it was on the dyno getting mapped the tuner hit the limiter and that shut the motor off; like right now. The tuner thought he blew my motor up, and I told him no it has a soft limiter and a hard limiter, and the 2nd one will turn the engine off. I performed a bypass for the soft limiter so I could spin it to 10,500 RPM after the tune was completed. I'm going to inquire with Mike @ MotoIQ to see if they have found a solution in their engine builds for the FA24 oiling issue, that is not a bandage solution but a cure, as I see no vender is building a different sump. Fullblown makes one for the FA20, but that doesn't help with the FA24.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Yeah, I’m hoping someone comes out with a fix for the oiling

[@H1GHD3FF]

I grew up in Homestead

[@kevind_53]

Bumping the limiter like on stock configuration is 💩. Such a bad feeling way to drastic, like an on/off switch. I think it's a good thing that you try chasing "faster car". It push you to improve yourself and getting better and better. 🚗💥💨🔥

[@christacy1]

Stock limiter is so harsh. I'm used to shifting based on sound, and depending on who is near me on track, I can't hear my own car so I end up hitting the limiter occasionally.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

It’s a killer!!

[@kevind_53]

@@phelpsgarage4202 good thing is like you said it can be improve with a tune💪

[@lawrencesalanga8470]

When I’m drift I hit rev limiter it straightens me. It crazy scary when I’m in tandem with someone in front or behind me

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I bet! Crazy how it over slows the car

[@mikemackeyy]

Why not do type r vs gr corolla?

[@phelpsgarage4202]

If I can find one to race I will

[@Pursuit_Of_Speed]

I think the 86 did pretty good considering that isn’t your home track and you’re going against an instructor with an extra 60 hp or so. A supercharger or some more weight reduction could definitely make up the power difference. You probably could use a racing steering wheel too.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Yeah, I agree I think I did all right. I think with more seat time I would get him.

[@JeanCarlo5]

quite bit of aero😂😂

[@phelpsgarage4202]

😂

[@mickey2ky]

yaaaassss lol

[@marklopez3459]

Sorry, bud. HONDA > TOYO LOL. Race me s2k if in socal.

[@phelpsgarage4202]

I would if I could 😂

[@Silvia_1990]

Bro please drift

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Maybe one day 😅

[@christopherdaniel6142]

if this was a Honda video it would be riddled with haters talking trash vs this where everyone is chill and positive i like that . but i would kswap the brz

[@phelpsgarage4202]

Kswap turbo 😎